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Section sizes

Section size for Wagner Group (41 sections)
Section name	Byte count	Section total
(Top)	47,034	47,034
Origins and leadership	1,521	16,564
Yevgeny Prigozhin	7,067	7,067
Dmitry Utkin	6,889	6,889
Konstantin Pikalov	1,087	1,087
Organization	11,933	35,325
Recruitment, training, techniques	13,221	13,221
Units	12	10,171
Rusich unit	5,119	5,119
Serb unit	5,040	5,040
Relationship with the Russian state	23,519	30,584
Wagner Group rebellion	7,065	7,065
Activities	543	89,244
Ukraine	1,012	37,461
Crimea annexation and War in Donbas	14,696	14,696
Full-scale invasion of Ukraine since 2022	21,753	21,753
Belarus	9,716	9,716
Syria	10,513	10,513
Africa	5,273	28,663
Sudan	5,412	5,412
Central African Republic	7,305	7,305
Libya	4,252	4,252
Mali	6,421	6,421
Venezuela	2,348	2,348
Possible activities	24	9,413
Moldova	962	962
Nagorno-Karabakh	5,042	5,042
Serbia	680	680
Other	2,705	2,705
Casualties	19,588	19,588
Sanctions	8,817	8,817
Plane crash	3,962	3,962
Far-right elements	6,759	6,759
Awards and honors	9,078	9,078
Post Yevgeny Prigozhin's death	2,848	3,799
Nationalization of Wagner Group	951	951
Notable members	719	719
See also	96	96
Citations	27	27
Further reading	4,515	4,515
External links	1,170	1,170
Total	286,694	286,694

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TenshiPT (talk) 12:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC) At the final category (Post-Prigozhin's death) there's a sentence that says: "Wagner is officially becoming a unit of Rosgvardia...The entire structure, methods of work and commanders remain the same.", there's supposed to be "an unit of Rosgvardia" not "a unit of Rosgvardia"[reply]

Not done: a unit is correct, an is only used when the next word begins with a vowel sound (regardless of whether the letter is a vowel or not). Unit begins with the consonant sound Y like a university or a universal truth. You only need an when the U makes a vowel sound like in an umbrella. English is a very weird language. Jamedeus (talk) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Contradictory payment figures

There are paymen figures in this article that hardly make sense. Namely, it says that the pay could be between 80,000-250,000 rubles or 667-2083 in USD citing a 2017 article. So the USD/RUB ratio was about 120 back then. Problem is, back in 2017 and prior the USD/RUB ratio was between 60-70 rubles, and even if we take into accout the taxes, it is still way off the 667-2083 range stated in the same sentence. The same applies to the next sentence, which states that 300,000 RUB corresponds to 2,500 USD according to an article published again in 2017 - once again a random USD/RUB ratio which has nothing to do with 2017 reality. Gorgedweller (talk) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

THis looks like OR. Slatersteven (talk) 12:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It may very well be. Either someone failed to understand the article they cited, or the authors of the article are really bad at math. 12:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Or that was not the exchange rate in 2017, care to link to a source for it? Slatersteven (talk) 12:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Russian source about the groups origins

https://styler-rbc-ua.translate.goog/rus/zhizn/stalo-izvestno-voznikla-chvk-vagner-boeviki-1520445072.html?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=el&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp 2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:F03E:E177:15E6:22E2 (talk) 02:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lack of info post 2023

There is no info presented here about the groups activities after 2023 2A02:587:E83F:DEAA:10B3:9D14:330A:1B94 (talk) 16:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+ [[User:TenshiPT|TenshiPT]] ([[User talk:TenshiPT|talk]]) 12:59, 16 June 2024 (UTC) At the final category (Post-Prigozhin's death) there's a sentence that says: "Wagner is officially becoming a unit of Rosgvardia...The entire structure, methods of work and commanders remain the same.", there's supposed to be "an unit of Rosgvardia" not "a unit of Rosgvardia"
-Please replace [[:File:Wagner armed rebellion vehicle marking Z.png]] with [[:File:Wagner armed rebellion vehicle marking Z.svg]] [[User:Rainbowlack|Rainbowlack]] ([[User talk:Rainbowlack|talk]]) 22:37, 6 December 2023 (UTC)
-:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> no reason given for the proposed change. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 21:42, 9 December 2023 (UTC)
+:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:EEp --> {{tq|a unit}} is correct, {{tq|an}} is only used when the next word begins with a ''vowel sound'' (regardless of whether the letter is a vowel or not). Unit begins with the consonant sound {{tq|Y}} like {{tq|a university}} or {{tq|a universal truth}}. You only need {{tq|an}} when the U makes a vowel sound like in {{tq|an umbrella}}. English is a very weird language. [[User:Jamedeus|Jamedeus]] ([[User talk:Jamedeus|talk]]) 01:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
-:: Please note, [[User:M.Bitton]]: you only come across as lazy and uncharitable when you routinely deny requests without thinking yourself. As HappyWith must have spotted, the image format changed from png to svg. Converting images to vector format is an excellent reason to give for a proposed change. Wikipedia doesn't lose anything by editors holding off until they're reasonably sure the request actually lacks merit. Please consider not involving yourself if your involvement is limited to rubber-stamping a "no". Thanks [[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 06:35, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
-:::{{re|CapnZapp}} if you were more thorough and less eager to be unnecessarily rude, you would have noticed that it's not a like for like replacement, and therefore, an explanation is expected before removing the image that has implicit consensus. [[User:M.Bitton|M.Bitton]] ([[User talk:M.Bitton|talk]]) 13:24, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
-:::: Did you say so when you declined the edit request? No? Then perhaps my message to you remains valid? Cheers [[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 16:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
-:{{Done}}. [[User:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|HappyWith]] ([[User talk:HappyWithWhatYouHaveToBeHappyWith|talk]]) 01:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Contradictory payment figures  ==
-== IDF? ==
+There are paymen figures in this article that hardly make sense. Namely, it says that the pay could be between 80,000-250,000 rubles or 667-2083 in USD citing a 2017 article. So the USD/RUB ratio was about 120 back then. Problem is, back in 2017 and prior the USD/RUB ratio was between 60-70 rubles, and even if we take into accout the taxes, it is still way off the 667-2083 range stated in the same sentence. The same applies to the next sentence, which states that 300,000 RUB corresponds to 2,500 USD according to an article published again in 2017 - once again a random USD/RUB ratio which has nothing to do with 2017 reality. [[User:Gorgedweller|Gorgedweller]] ([[User talk:Gorgedweller|talk]]) 11:59, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
-Why is IDF listed as opponent? No source is given for this. [[User:Genabab|Genabab]] ([[User talk:Genabab|talk]]) 15:16, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
+:THis looks like OR. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:02, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
+::It may very well be. Either someone failed to understand the article they cited, or the authors of the article are really bad at math. 12:10, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
+:::Or that was not the exchange rate in 2017, care to link to a source for it? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 12:14, 22 October 2024 (UTC)
+== Russian source about the groups origins ==
-:Looks like that's related to (lower down in the info box) involvement in the 2023 Israel-Hamas War. The citation listed for that is  Gordon, Michael R.; Salama, Vivian (2 November 2023). "Russia's Wagner Group Plans to Send Air Defenses to Hezbollah, U.S. Says". The Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 2 November 2023 https://www.wsj.com/world/russias-wagner-group-may-provide-air-defense-weapon-to-hezbollah-u-s-intel-says-37dc8f45 [[User:TurnipWatch|TurnipWatch]] ([[User talk:TurnipWatch|talk]]) 21:55, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
+https://styler-rbc-ua.translate.goog/rus/zhizn/stalo-izvestno-voznikla-chvk-vagner-boeviki-1520445072.html?_x_tr_sl=en&_x_tr_tl=el&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=wapp [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:F03E:E177:15E6:22E2|2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:F03E:E177:15E6:22E2]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:1F7F:8B00:F03E:E177:15E6:22E2|talk]]) 02:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
-::"Plans to send" and "is sending" are two different things. Until they are actually confirmed to be sending we stick with [[WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL]]. This was also discussed over at the 2023 Israel-Hamas War article and consensus was that until it is confirmed that Wagner are actually actively providing support to Hamas they are not to be included. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 01:33, 17 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Lack of info post 2023 ==
+There is no info presented here about the groups activities after 2023 [[Special:Contributions/2A02:587:E83F:DEAA:10B3:9D14:330A:1B94|2A02:587:E83F:DEAA:10B3:9D14:330A:1B94]] ([[User talk:2A02:587:E83F:DEAA:10B3:9D14:330A:1B94|talk]]) 16:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
-==Africa Corps==
-This article lists "Africa Corps" as an alias for Wagner.
-When I looked at the source and a bunch of other ones, it seems that it's being used to replace Wagner, not to rename it.
-<span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:SlopeInterceptor|<span style="color:#89290d">Slope</span>]][[User:SlopeInterceptor|<span style="color:#00000">Interceptor</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:SlopeInterceptor|Talk]]</sup> </span> 13:53, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
-:Sources such as? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
-Wagner group ranks [[Special:Contributions/121.6.199.197|121.6.199.197]] ([[User talk:121.6.199.197|talk]]) 16:31, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
-:Sources? [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 16:33, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
-{{od}}
-'''Should we start a new article''', taking the title from what's currently a redirect to Rommel's Africa Korps?
-So far, I've added a hat note over at [[Africa Korps]]. "Africa Corps" currently redirects there.
-However, we usually rename our articles when companies change names. '''Should we move this article''' to the new name of Africa Corps? (If so, the hat note should instead be here, saying something like "For the WWII German expeditionary force, see Africa Korps").
-PS. Please don't lazily ask for sources when it is trivial to find lots of them, just google "africa corps wagner". Here are just some random ones:
-* <ref>https://adf-magazine.com/2024/01/with-new-name-same-russian-mercenaries-plague-africa/</ref>
-* <ref>https://english.elpais.com/international/2023-12-23/russia-expands-into-the-sahel-with-its-new-brand-africa-corps.html#</ref>
-* <ref>https://www.newsweek.com/russia-new-africa-corps-hamper-us-clout-libya-putin-sudan-wagner-1845516</ref>
-* <ref>https://www.theafricareport.com/331580/investigation-how-putin-is-taking-control-of-wagner-in-africa/</ref>
-[[User:CapnZapp|CapnZapp]] ([[User talk:CapnZapp|talk]]) 06:28, 2 February 2024 (UTC)
-:In source 2, it says that the Africa Corps is under  RuMOD control and is a new organization with a new structure. It might becuase wagner is a bunch of companies and not 1 single entity, but this organization seems to replace Wagner entirely, and isn't a rebrand.  <span style="font-family:Courier">[[User:SlopeInterceptor|<span style="color:#89290d">Slope</span>]][[User:SlopeInterceptor|<span style="color:#00000">Interceptor</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:SlopeInterceptor|Talk]]</sup> </span> 15:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
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-== Anton "Lotus" Yelizarov ==
-Anton "Lotus" Yelizarov became field commander of the Wagner Group after the death of Wagner owner Yevgeny Prigozhin and field commander Dmitry “Wagner”Utkin.
-Speaking in a video on February 5th 2024 Yelizarov detailed the location of Wagner’s new headquarters at Kazachi Lageri Cossack Camps (Казачьи Лагери) near Rostov, co-located with the barracks of the Russian 150th Motor Rifle Division. Yelizarov also claimed in the video that Wagner’s new basis would also house the Russian National Guard (Rosgvardia) new Volunteer Corps, implicitly confirming Wagner’s subordination to Rosgvardia.
-https://twitter.com/NewFrontlines/status/1754627448925294738 [[User:Sneuper|Sneuper]] ([[User talk:Sneuper|talk]]) 13:06, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
-:Unsure this is an RS for a BLP. [[User:Slatersteven|Slatersteven]] ([[User talk:Slatersteven|talk]]) 13:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
-== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 March 2024 ==
-{{edit extended-protected|Wagner Group|answered=no}}
-Add Asia to the list of continents where there have been operations, as Syria and parts of Russia are in Asia. [[User:IrisArgo|IrisArgo]] ([[User talk:IrisArgo|talk]]) 22:25, 5 March 2024 (UTC)