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== Countries == |
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What countries use this type of government? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:216.124.192.13|216.124.192.13]] ([[User talk:216.124.192.13|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/216.124.192.13|contribs]]) 20:05, 2 December 2004</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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:It's not as much a form of government, as it is a property of one! Its a property inherent to most empires or dictatorships. [[User:Wlievens|Wouter Lievens]] 22:22, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC) |
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Technically not a single government remains to use this kind of government because it would be too complex to actually do it however the only nation that remotely comes close to such an Autocractic government would be N. Korea. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.78.175.238|184.78.175.238]] ([[User talk:184.78.175.238|talk]]) 06:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Russian title == |
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Imperator i Samodyerzhets Vserossiysky ("All-Russian Emperor and Autocrat") - Might I respectfully suggest that this is both more accurately and elegantly rendered "Emperor and Autocrat of all the Russias," the plural referring to the nations and territories within his domain. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:84.9.233.183|84.9.233.183]] ([[User talk:84.9.233.183|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.9.233.183|contribs]]) 19:06, 20 March 2006</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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== Historic use == |
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As far as I know, historically the title 'autocrat' was used only by Byzantine and Russians, to emphasize ruler's power. It was also used by Ottoman Greeks for Ottoman sultan, in sense emperor. the definition of autocracy in this article is modern interpretation of the word as a form of government. historically it wasn't necessarily associated negatively, like tyrant etc. it was rather a characteristic of ruler. [[Special:Contributions/85.101.221.5|85.101.221.5]] ([[User talk:85.101.221.5|talk]]) 17:42, 4 March 2008 (UTC) |
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* Can anyone please provide some sources on this? Thank you! [[User:Kennin|Kennin]] ([[User talk:Kennin|talk]]) 13:10, 27 June 2017 (UTC) |
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== Wikipedia Integration == |
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This article has been modified to include content from similar articles per [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Integration]]. [[User:Cwolfsheep|Cwolfsheep]] 16:04, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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*[[User:Ultramarine|Ultramarine]] did a ton of cleanup on the '''absolutism''' before junking it from the article completely. If anyone wants to resurrect that material in one of the original merges: what needs to happen is to reduce the redundant subjects and keep out "stretchs" (the DC stuff wasn't as pertinant to absolute rule as it was to devolution). [[User:Cwolfsheep|Cwolfsheep]] 16:09, 10 June 2006 (UTC) |
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== Doesn't display properly == |
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The page doesn't display properly. The forms of government portal menu is overlapping the bottom menu bar. It's probably the result of poor css coding and the float doesn't work properly. I don't know but maybe Wikipedia should be informed of this error because it can be applicable to other pages with similiar structure. [[Special:Contributions/86.153.158.63|86.153.158.63]] ([[User talk:86.153.158.63|talk]]) 16:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== What's the difference... == |
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Between autocracy and despotism? --<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 11:34, 13 May 2009 (UTC) |
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== Autocracy/Monarchy == |
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Although whoever posted the Merriam-Webster's definition of an autocracy was following a reasonable procedure, the definition provided by MW is very poorly written and not accurate. It reads: An autocrat is a person (as a monarch) ruling with unlimited authority. First of all, as the rest of the Wikipedia article goes on to demonstrate, autocrats are not necessarily monarchs. Secondly, even monarchs do not always fit the definition of autocrat as one who rules absolutely. For example the Monarchy of England is a constitutional monarchy which has powers that are limited. As such, I think this definition should be removed or at the very least modified.[[User:Saucybetty|Saucybetty]] ([[User talk:Saucybetty|talk]]) 06:26, 12 February 2010 (UTC) |
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If you wanted to sovle this issue, you should have it state that a Consitutional Monarchy is not an autocratic government and that true Monarchy is close to it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.165.115.234|67.165.115.234]] ([[User talk:67.165.115.234|talk]]) 21:31, 15 December 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Synonyms in the lead == |
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I reduced the following portion of the lead involving the history of synonyms and meaning, because there was no source for the info. Here's how it read before my edit in case anyone wants to review: |
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"Today, the term ''autocrat'' is usually understood{{Citation needed|date=February 2011}} as synonymous with ''[[Despotism|despot]]'', ''[[tyrant]]'' and ''[[dictator]]'', although each of these terms originally had a separate and distinct meaning." |
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[[User:David Able| David Able]] 00:28, 12 February 2011 (UTC) |
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::Interesting... [[Special:Contributions/198.237.225.49|198.237.225.49]] ([[User talk:198.237.225.49|talk]]) 16:30, 8 May 2012 (UTC) |
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'''Autocracy vs. Dictatorship:''' |
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Many leaders throughout history have been given these titles however there have been those that suggest that no single man or women can maintain power over a nation. A person must have someone and probably more than just a few people to enforce their policies and to protect them during inevitable confrontations. Too many leaders have been assassinated over the ages without the support of others and there have been many with very short life spans. Although various people want to believe that now and then, the most powerful tyrant comes along, so power and feared that they are empowered without the aid of others, it is highly improbable that such a person would last very long in the role of the supreme leader. It is possibly that these people may be highly charismatic and/or greatly feared but they are just the front person for a group that is the true leadership of the nation state. Most autocracies and dictatorships are therefore really oligarchies. It is not improbably that there are those within the oligarchy that maintain a public persona but also those that maintain high levels of secrecy to assist in diverting subversion or other desired secret policies and practices. The more recent historical accounts have, of course, exposed those behind the scenes to a greater extent than older history, but there are numerous accounts of these individuals throughout history. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/107.204.100.196|107.204.100.196]] ([[User talk:107.204.100.196|talk]]) 22:16, 20 November 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Mmcnichol 's edit on Autocracy == |
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I think it is really good that you added few details and made couple improvements on other's edits. Adding to that, I really like that you added a lot of information about history and system they had for each countries and empires even Catholic Church! I like global ! My advice would be ...maybe you can add about Argentina on the current examples of autocracies, especially about vote buying that we talked in the class. But I really really like your edits so informative! .[[User:MoeKasawaki|MoeKasawaki]] ([[User talk:MoeKasawaki|talk]]) 13:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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== Edit recommendations == |
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I think it is also important to mention the differences between autocracy and other forms of government, like democracy and technocracy. Right now only totalitarian regimes and military dictatorships get attention. Comparison with other forms of government would offer some more depth. |
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It could also be important to mention some more current autocracies. |
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I also think the part of autocracy promotion, could be more elaborated or could join the part about the development of autocracy. |
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The structure of the article could also be better. I think it looks better when some of the subjects are switched in chronology. It makes a bit more sense if the origin and developments of autocracy are elaborated before there are comparisons being made with other forms of government. |
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Also there are some basic features of authoritarian rule (stated in the book 'Comparative Government and politics'), which are maybe good to mention. |
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There are also different forms of authoritarian rule. These are absolute monarchy, ruling presidents, ruling parties, military rule and theocracy. I think it is also good to mention and elaborate these forms a bit more [[User:Igeurts|Igeurts]] ([[User talk:Igeurts|talk]]) 11:10, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Sources == |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/24/world/americas/argentina-elections-cristina-kirchner.html?_r=0 |
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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2012/03/19/children-of-the-dirty-war [[User:MoeKasawaki|MoeKasawaki]] ([[User talk:MoeKasawaki|talk]]) 13:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC) |
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== See also is for more than just things in the same category == |
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== Assessment comment == |
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{{Substituted comment|length=486|lastedit=20080704202130|comment=I have no classical background, but, by my opinion, the reference to foreign terms should be written in corresponding national alphabet, may be with latin transcription in parantheses. In concerns particularly greece language, but also russian and other languages. For people knowing russian language, it is very difficult to read english pseudophonetic transcription of this language. Why not use directly самдежавие ? or αυτοκρατíα ? |
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Thebiguglyalien reverted my addition of Patriarchy to the See also list, commenting that patriarchy is not a form of government. I'm not going to fight this right now, but wanted to at least go on the record that this is a made-up limit on the See also section, which can include any page which is relevant enough. (And of course patriarchy is highly relevant to autocracy.) [[User:John Abbe|John_Abbe]] ([[User talk:John Abbe|talk]]) 17:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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:There are thousands of things relevant to autocracy, and I'd hardly consider patriarchy to be in the top one hundred, let alone prominent enough to be in the article's "see also" section. The section should be reserved for the most pertinent links. [[User:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:#324717">The</span><span style="color:#45631f">big</span><span style="color:#547826">ugly</span><span style="color:#68942f">alien</span>]] ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|<span style="color:sienna">talk</span>]]) 17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Autocracy == |
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{{Talk:Autocracy/GA3}} |
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== Absolute power is....? == |
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Autocracy is autocracy with one person in control <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WonderScienceKid|WonderScienceKid]] ([[User talk:WonderScienceKid#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WonderScienceKid|contribs]]) 14:21, 7 May 2019 (UTC)</small> |
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To quote from the first sentence: "Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power..." |
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This article centres on "absolute power" - who holds it and how they wield it. The article does not provide a definition of what absolute power is. Wikipedia itself has an entry for [[Absolute power]], however this is a disambiguation page, which then directs us back to this article (plus some others). The term "absolute power" needs to be defined in this article; it is unclear how this article earned a GA quality status without getting this critical term clarified. [[Special:Contributions/14.2.192.197|14.2.192.197]] ([[User talk:14.2.192.197|talk]]) 08:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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See also is for more than just things in the same category
[edit]Thebiguglyalien reverted my addition of Patriarchy to the See also list, commenting that patriarchy is not a form of government. I'm not going to fight this right now, but wanted to at least go on the record that this is a made-up limit on the See also section, which can include any page which is relevant enough. (And of course patriarchy is highly relevant to autocracy.) John_Abbe (talk) 17:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
- There are thousands of things relevant to autocracy, and I'd hardly consider patriarchy to be in the top one hundred, let alone prominent enough to be in the article's "see also" section. The section should be reserved for the most pertinent links. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
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Hello, I'm going to be doing this review as part of the July GA backlog drive. It should take me no longer than a week. 22:01, 30 July 2024 (UTC)
@Thebiguglyalien:: Overall, I could find very little to be addressed in the article. Please see my suggestions below and consider implementing them when you have a chance. Kimikel (talk) 00:33, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Kimikel, I've made the changes that you suggested. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:28, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Thebiguglyalien I read through the article again and could not find anything amiss. Thank you for making this a super easy review, and for quickly implementing my suggestions. I appreciate your work, congratulations on another good article! Kimikel (talk) 23:08, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
Well-written
[edit]- Every issue in the past review has been addressed.
Modern era
[edit]- "The decline in autocracy across Western Europe..." > This paragraph would make more sense if you flipped the next two sentences, as it starts by saying that it affected other areas of the world, and then says that it was resisted or ineffective.
- In terms of prose, that was the only suggestion I had.
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[edit]Spot check:
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[edit]- Broad in its coverage
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[edit]- No issues with neutrality
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[edit]- Stable, no warring
Absolute power is....?
[edit]To quote from the first sentence: "Autocracy is a system of government in which absolute power..."
This article centres on "absolute power" - who holds it and how they wield it. The article does not provide a definition of what absolute power is. Wikipedia itself has an entry for Absolute power, however this is a disambiguation page, which then directs us back to this article (plus some others). The term "absolute power" needs to be defined in this article; it is unclear how this article earned a GA quality status without getting this critical term clarified. 14.2.192.197 (talk) 08:04, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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