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I want to be a vet but cant unless i know all about them. 2A00:23C8:A92A:6B01:D130:E191:1BBC:6356 (talk) 16:51, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are citations needed?

Given all of these breeds have articles on them is a citation showing they exist/are notable really needed? Traumnovelle (talk) 07:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Format

The one giant list is a poorer format. When the lists were in text/columns there was more text on a screen and sections. Getting to the bottom of the list did not require endless scrolling. This is my view on a desktop; I have no idea what the current article looks like or how it functions on a phone. 73.218.17.248 (talk) 11:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, there is no extra info given with the table and there is no way to sort the table. It just uses up unnecessary amounts of space whilst leaving a lot of white space. Traumnovelle (talk) 18:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've taken the bold step to RV to the old format/version. Traumnovelle (talk) 02:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very much agreed. I'm not sure why "references" need to be split into a column and can't just be added next to each breed as a footnote number, like it was before. Kryfie (talk) 02:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Dog breeds ==
-== Proposal:Simplification of list ==
-I propose to simplify this list to simple links to breed pages, removing the table with all of the photos, countries of origin and selected kennel club recognition parameters. My reasoning is currently the list is incredibly unwieldy.
+I want to be a vet but cant unless i know all about them. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C8:A92A:6B01:D130:E191:1BBC:6356|2A00:23C8:A92A:6B01:D130:E191:1BBC:6356]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C8:A92A:6B01:D130:E191:1BBC:6356|talk]]) 16:51, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
-I propose we have sections for each letter of the alphabet with breeds listed in alphabetical order in columns within each section and some select photos included for each section. In time we should see every breed cited but to start I propose we simply remove the table. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 04:40, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
-:Definitely! Our [[list of horse breeds]] is a lot more complicated than it needs to be, but still much more accessible than this. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 12:16, 10 March 2020 (UTC)
-::Hmm, but at what point is it simplified so much it's simply duplicative of the category?  We need to be mindful of [[WP:CLN]] and provide usefulness specific to the list format. Overall, I agree that this page is unnecessarily complicated.  We should probably cross-compare this list, [[List of horse breeds]], [[List of cat breeds]], [[List of cattle breeds]], and all the other such lists, and see which structure and which kinds of information are good to retain, and also remember that we can provide more information in sublists and keep the main list very concise. I'm not entirely sure that the [[List of horse breeds]] model is ideal, because it's not grouping them into sublists.  {{em|Somewhere}} we probably do want thumbnails, since this is a feature that a list can provide that a category and a navbox cannot, and will be of interest to various readers.  But it need not be in the top-level "List of {{var|species}} breeds". <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 14:54, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
-:::{{u|Justlettersandnumbers}} & {{u|SMcCandlish}}, I have simplified the list in [[User:Cavalryman/Sandbox 3|one of my sandboxes]], please have a look and let me know your thoughts.  I have made a start at citing all of the entries ([[Bruce Fogle]] gets a real workout), but there remains a few unsourced entries  some of which are good candidates for AfC, some just need a little research. I think the sublist idea has real merit, but most of the type articles include a list of breeds (of varying quality), additionally if we tried to split this into types I suspect it would become a real mess as various kennel clubs and authors have very ideas about types, whilst a number of the entries would not fall within the traditional types.
-:::Also, I have cross-linked to other lists of breeds in the see also section but am wondering if some of the major types would be better. Kind regards, [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 11:19, 19 March 2020 (UTC).
-::::Just a quick initial reaction: (1) huge improvement; (2) still overloaded with images; (3) for the refs, perhaps consider sacrificing page numbers and using {{tl|Listref}}? Looks like that was a lot of work, thank you! [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 11:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
-::::I'm inclined to just repeat my previous comment, since this revision doesn't really address anything I said. :-/  It's duplicative of the category, in simply being an alphabetical listing. It isn't dividing the breeds up into types that make for good sublists (which would be where images would be useful).  The images presently included are not helpful, but are just decoration for its own sake; they are not present for each breed, yet are also not connected in any way to an organizational principle like sections by type.  I agree that in the top-level list article, reducing it primarily or entirely to text is the way to go, but just making it an alpha. list like the horses one isn't very useful.  Both should organize the breeds into groups that are meaningful, or we might as well not have a list and just have a category.  I agree with JLAN that the forest of page-number references isn't very useful. For things like topical encyclopedias written alphabetically, entry names are usually already more specific than page numbers anyway.  If we wanted to keep page numbers, {{tlx|rp}} is another more concise way to do that. (It defeats both the "^ <sup>a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z aa ab ac ad ae af ag ah ai aj ak al am an ao ap aq ar as at au av aw</sup> Source Name Here" problem, and the problem in this sandbox of a huge section of the same source being listed over and over in redundant citation lines.  We should also keep in mind that breed encyclopedias are [[WP:PSTS|tertiary sources]] and some of them over-include non-breeds as "breeds" just to try to have more entries than competing breed encyclopedias. They're not terribly reliable as sources by themselves (though are better in the aggregate; a breed found in every breed encyclopedia is obviously legit, while one found only in a single work is suspect, and its presence in one doesn't establish notability).  Fogle (like Desmond Morris) is a higher-reputation source than average for these things, though. <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 19:50, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
-:::::I agree about most breed encyclopedias, I believe those used are some of the better ones. A possible future plan is to divide the list by continent, I am really loath to attempt to go down the type path, I suspect it will lead to major conflict with various flyby special interest groups. I will work on the citations and bin the pictures. I am also considering adding a key for FCI recognition although am hesitant as it may open the floodgates to other national kennel clubs. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 23:12, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
+== Are citations needed? ==
-== Merger proposal:List of extinct dog breeds ==
-{{Discussion top|result=The result of this discussion was Oppose. [[User:William Harris|<b style="color:dimgray">William Harris</b>]][[User talk:William Harris|<b style="color:dimgray"> (talk)</b>]] 10:04, 5 October 2020 (UTC)}}
-I propose to merge [[List of extinct dog breeds]] into this list, <s>likely</s> redirected to [[List of dog breeds#Extinct breeds and varieties]]. The former is an unnecessary [[WP:CONTENTFORK]] of this list. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 13:28, 1 August 2020 (UTC).
+Given all of these breeds have articles on them is a citation showing they exist/are notable really needed? [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 07:58, 30 April 2024 (UTC)
-::<small>Somehow I forgot to put merger tags on both articles, now corrected. I will not take any action for another seven days. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 10:50, 6 August 2020 (UTC).</small>
-:Just as long as it's in a separate section as you suggest, I'm in favour. [[User:Justlettersandnumbers|Justlettersandnumbers]] ([[User talk:Justlettersandnumbers|talk]]) 13:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' under its own section. The arrangement would then be very similar to the lists provided on [[Subspecies of Canis lupus]]. '''[[User:William Harris|<span style="color: dimgray">William Harris</span>]][[File:Canis lupis track.svg|17px]][[User talk:William Harris|<span style="color: dimgray">talk</span>]][[File:Canis lupis track.svg|17px]]''' 22:26, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:LISTN]] - it is much easier navigation for readers and that is our goal. Like: [[List of defunct department stores of the United States]] and [[List of department stores of the United States]]. Easier navigation to have a standalone list. [[User:Lightburst|Lightburst]] ([[User talk:Lightburst|talk]]) 16:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
-::As per [[WP:LISTN]], which does not mention navigation, do you have evidence that a list of extinct dogs "has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources"? '''[[User:William Harris|<span style="color: dimgray">William Harris</span>]][[File:Canis lupis track.svg|17px]][[User talk:William Harris|<span style="color: dimgray">talk</span>]][[File:Canis lupis track.svg|17px]]''' 22:51, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
-:::Check that and search for the word "navigation" it is quite clear about this. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span style="color:purple">m</span> <span style="color:blue">Focus</span>''']] 19:45, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' This is screwing with a machine that works and is easy to use.  <span style="text-shadow:#396 0.2em 0.2em 0.5em; class=texhtml">[[User:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#060">7&amp;6=thirteen</b>]] ([[User talk:7&amp;6=thirteen|<b style="color:#000">☎</b>]])</span> 15:32, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
-*'''OPPOSE''' Enough valid content to have its own separate list. Also the other list has pictures of the animals, so you can find something that looks interesting to click on and read about, and a column where notes can be listed about them. [[User:Dream Focus | '''<span style="color:blue">D</span><span style="color:green">r</span><span style="color:red">e</span><span style="color:orange">a</span><span
+== Format ==
-{{Discussion bottom}}
+The one giant list is a poorer format. When the lists were in text/columns there was more text on a screen and sections. Getting to the bottom of the list did not require endless scrolling. This is my view on a desktop; I have no idea what the current article looks like or how it functions on a phone. [[Special:Contributions/73.218.17.248|73.218.17.248]] ([[User talk:73.218.17.248|talk]]) 11:02, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
-== Putting back visual representation (picture) of each breed ==
+:I agree, there is no extra info given with the table and there is no way to sort the table. It just uses up unnecessary amounts of space whilst leaving a lot of white space. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 18:54, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
-Just want to propose whoever can do this to put back a picture for every Dog Breed as it was before.In this way people that are searching for a breed can find it almost instantly.Having just a list of the breeds doesn't help too much and it takes hours to check all the pages to eventually find what are you looking for.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.120.251.75|86.120.251.75]] ([[User talk:86.120.251.75#top|talk]]) 12:17, 12 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+::I've taken the bold step to RV to the old format/version. [[User:Traumnovelle|Traumnovelle]] ([[User talk:Traumnovelle|talk]]) 02:20, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
-== "List of dog races" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
+:Very much agreed. I'm not sure why "references" need to be split into a column and can't just be added next to each breed as a footnote number, like it was before. [[User:Kryfie|Kryfie]] ([[User talk:Kryfie|talk]]) 02:14, 4 October 2024 (UTC)
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