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== Torque ==
The article states "Most helicopters have a single main rotor, but torque created by its aerodynamic drag must be countered by an opposed torque."

This is factually incorrect. The torque is not created by aerodynamic drag, it's the result of an equal and opposite reaction force (Newton's Second Law). It happens in a vacuum. Spacecraft have reaction wheels for attitude control that work on this principle.


== Experimental helicopter by Dr. Boothezaat in 1923 ==
== Experimental helicopter by Dr. Boothezaat in 1923 ==
I'm reading through old Time Magazine issues. The March 1923 issue discusses Thomas Edison sending Dr. Boothezaat a congratulations for a test of a helicopter by remaining in the air for 2 min 45 sec at a height of 15 feet. Also see https://time.com/vault/issue/1923-03-03/page/23/. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Noloader|Noloader]] ([[User talk:Noloader#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Noloader|contribs]]) </span>
I'm reading through old Time Magazine issues. The March 1923 issue discusses Thomas Edison sending Dr. Boothezaat a congratulations for a test of a helicopter by remaining in the air for 2 min 45 sec at a height of 15 feet. Also see https://time.com/vault/issue/1923-03-03/page/23/. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Noloader|Noloader]] ([[User talk:Noloader#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Noloader|contribs]]) </span>


== Semi-protected edit request on 30 June 2022 ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024 ==

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Sykorskyi was not russian, he was ukrainian [[Special:Contributions/188.163.108.123|188.163.108.123]] ([[User talk:188.163.108.123|talk]]) 10:37, 30 June 2022 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> See above. [[User:ScottishFinnishRadish|ScottishFinnishRadish]] ([[User talk:ScottishFinnishRadish|talk]]) 10:50, 30 June 2022 (UTC)

== Birth of an industry in wrong place? ==

The section 'Birth of an industry' appears to start with the twilight of the gyrocopter derived designs.

Sikorsky's novel single rotor design was the first helicopter as we know them today, and the first to be mass produced. It would seem to be the appropriate point for the start of the new section. [[Special:Contributions/88.87.126.220|88.87.126.220]] ([[User talk:88.87.126.220|talk]]) 09:39, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

== Transmission and electric drives and quadcopters? ==

The Transmission section identifies mechanical gearboxes as a major source of problems. It also notes that electric-magnetic transmission is more reliable in this respect.

But perhaps there should be a clearer explanation of how and why electric 'helicopters' are typically quadcopters...or more to the point why the advantages of multiple rotors have not been popular on mechanical transmission designs.

Over the last few years several people have asked me why conventional helicopters don't use quadcopter layouts like drones...and visa-versa. [[Special:Contributions/88.87.126.220|88.87.126.220]] ([[User talk:88.87.126.220|talk]]) 09:44, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

== Sikorsky was born in Ukraine! ==

Dear author of the article. You dare to write about the history of the invention of helicopters devaluing the name of their inventors. You wrote the story of Sikorsky guided by Russian imperialism. it is the same as if Great Britain still claimed India or the USA, devaluing the peoples who live there. Sikorsky was born in Ukraine in 1889. Even if you dared to say that Ukraine was the USSR (and this would be a gross violation of international law and evidence that you don't understand the meaning of the word "union"), the USSR still began to exist in 1922. I ask you to immediately correct the information in article. Thanks for understanding. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/37.170.45.172|37.170.45.172]] ([[User talk:37.170.45.172#top|talk]]) 09:06, 24 August 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Semi-protected edit request on 10 November 2022 ==

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Please include include the following additions in the History, "early development" section.



I want to edit something because it doesn’t seem right and giving wrong information about helicopters. You should have also all the answer to helicopters


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Spanish civil engineer and pilot Juan de la Cierva-Codorníu invented the autogiro or girocóptero (autogyro) in the early 1920s, becoming the first practical rotorcraft. On July 1, 1920, de la Cierva applied for his first patent, no. ES 74 322, at the Spanish Patent and Trademark Office presented as “New Aviation Machine” (*).
}} [[Special:Contributions/86.49.255.40|86.49.255.40]] ([[User talk:86.49.255.40|talk]]) 12:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)


== Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2024 ==
The first C1 model was built in Pablo Díaz's workshop in Getafe (Madrid, Spain) and tested for the first time in October 1920 by the pilot Captain Felipe Gómez-Acebo. However, the test was not completely satisfactory since, although the rotors entered autorotation, one of them did so at a lower speed (*). In 1921 de la Cierva successfully flew a reduced model at the Buen Retiro park in Madrid in the presence of engineer and President of the Spanish Republic Emilio Herrera (*Wikipedia*). In that same year another test flight of the new C-3 model took place and in 1922 the C-2 model was tested. Both C-2 and C-3 presented stability problems, contrary to the model tested at the Buen Retiro Park.


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Finally, de la Cierva found the problem in the stiffness of the blades, which he resolved by including a horizontal joint attached to each of the blades in the C-4 model, which made a successful test flight by the experienced pilot Alejandro Spencer on January 10, 1923, being able to take off, fly and land vertically. On the following January 31, the C-4 circled about four kilometers at more than 25 meters high.
The following phrase, whilst partially correct, is misleading:


"[[File:Igor Sikorsky 300.jpg|thumb|left|Sikorsky's V-300, 1937]]
In 1934, in a conference during his last stay in Madrid at the Escuela Superior Aerotécnica, Madrid, de la Cierva proposed the study of the solutions of the differential equation that arises when studying the possible oscillations of the autogyro blades, characterized by the variation of the deviation angle (height or depression) (***). Professor Puig-Adam, in collaboration with his students and using Runge's numerical methods and Meissner's graphs, solved the equation, as described in his book "Theoretical and practical course of differential equations applied to physics and technology", confirming what de la Cierva had intuitively predicted (****)
Most helicopters have a single main rotor, but torque created by its [[aerodynamic drag]] must be countered by an opposed torque"


[Suggested Correction]: Aerodynamic drag affects the entire aircraft. Specifically, the aerodynamic drag experienced by the rotor blades is transmitted to the airframe by an equal and opposite 'reaction torque' via the rotor drive shaft and hence the engine mounts. Unlike an automobile engine, in which the. car body cannot rotate in response to this torque, a helicopter is free to rotate around the rotor drive shaft axis. A tail rotor, 'anti-torque rotor', is therefore necessary to establish a balancing (anti-)torque to prevent the airframe from spinning around the rotor axis.
(*) Spanish Patent and Trademark Office, https://www.oepm.es/export/sites/oepm/comun/documentos_relacionados/Publicaciones/monografias/juan_de_la_cierva_esp.pdf
(**) "Juan de la Cierva Codorníu, inventor del autogiro (1895-1936)", Dr. Ricardo de la Cierva y de Hoces, professor of World Contemporary History, University of Alcalá de Henares, Spain, https://digital.march.es/fedora/objects/fjm-pub:462/datastreams/OBJ/content
(***) Sobre la estabilidad del movimiento de las palas del autogiro, Khatarsis Magazine, Antonio Senyé-Pocino, 2008, https://revistaliterariakatharsis.org/DE_LA_CIERVA.pdf
(****) Curso Teórico Práctico de ecuaciones diferenciales aplicado a la Física y Técnica, two volumes, Pedro Puig-Adam, 1958, Escuela Técnica Superior de Ingenieros Industriales, Madrid.


Suggest the text is amended accordingly. [[Special:Contributions/86.26.142.91|86.26.142.91]] ([[User talk:86.26.142.91|talk]]) 10:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
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== New section on transmission design ==
There are a lot of pictures to include: https://www.vuelalo.es/historia-del-autogiro [[User:PolasBear|PolasBear]] ([[User talk:PolasBear|talk]]) 09:20, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
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I noticed that the article does not contain any information on transmission design, which is an important topic for helicopters, so I drafted the following. Since helicopter designs vary so widely, I used words like "usually", "often", and "typically" so it would be clear that not all helicopters share a single design. Please reply with any comments or suggestions. (Note that there is already a subsection within "Saftey" section that discusses transmission safety, see [[Helicopter#Transmission]], but it does not discuss transmission design). [[User:Noleander|Noleander]] ([[User talk:Noleander|talk]]) 15:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
== Denny Mumford Helicopter ==


===Proposed new subsection "Transmission"===
First took to the air in 1912. Should be included IMHO. See for example https://www.flickr.com/photos/scottishmaritimemuseum/4967275889/ [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C6:F983:2C01:9084:90A6:89CC:E852|2A00:23C6:F983:2C01:9084:90A6:89CC:E852]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C6:F983:2C01:9084:90A6:89CC:E852|talk]]) 12:44, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
The [[transmission (mechanical device)|transmission]] is a mechanical system that transmits power from the engine(s) to the rotors. The transmission is a system of [[gears]], [[Bearing (mechanical)|bearing]]s, [[clutch]]es and [[Drive shaft|shaft]]s that performs several functions (1) Translates the alignment of the [[drive shaft]] to match the alignment of the rotor shafts; (2) Reduces the RPM of the drive shaft to the lower RPMs of the rotors; and (3) Enables the engine to engage or disengage from the rotors. For helicopters with tail rotors, the transmission [[drivetrain]] forks into two paths: one leading to the main rotor, and one leading to the tail rotor.<ref name="HRFch4">''Helicopter Flying Handbook'', FAA, 2024, Chaper 4 "Helicopter Components, Sections, and Systems" https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/helicopter_flying_handbook</ref>{{rp|4-10 to 4-13}}<ref>''Helicopter Instructor's Handbook'', FAA, 2014, ISBN 9781629141442, 1629141445</ref><ref>Bailey, Norman (2014) 'Helicopter Pilot's Manual'' Crowood, ISBN 9781847979230, 1847979238</ref>


The drive shafts of helicopter engines are typically not aligned with the rotor shafts, so the transmission must translate the alignment of the drive shaft to match the shafts of the rotors. Many engine drive shafts are aligned horizontally, yet the main rotor shaft ("mast") is usually vertical, and the tail rotor shaft is often perpendicular to the engine's drive shaft. The transmission contains a series of gears, usually [[bevel gear]]s, that translate the alignment of the drive shaft to the alignment of the rotor shafts.<ref name="HRFch4"/>{{rp|4-12}}<ref>''Bevel Gear Fundamentals and Applications'', Jan Klingelnberg, 2015, Springer Berlin Heidelberg, ISBN 9783662438930, 3662438933</ref>
== Trouve electric helicopter ==


The transmission also reduces the RPMs of the engine to the lower RPMs required by the rotors. The output drive shaft of the engine, before any gearing is applied, is typically between 3,000 and 50,000 RPM ([[Gas turbine|turbine engine]]s typically have higher RPM than [[piston engine]]s). The main rotor typically rotates between 300 to 600 RPM. The tail rotor, if present, usually rotates between 1,000 to 5,000 RPM. (The RPMs of a given model of helicopter are usually fixed {{em-dash}} the RPM ranges listed above represent a variety of helicopter models).<ref name=newman>{{cite book|first1=John|last1=Seddon|first2=Simon|last2=Newman|title=Basic Helicopter Aerodynamics|page=216|publisher=John Wiley and Sons|date=2011|isbn=978-1-119-99410-7}}</ref> The transmission contains a series of [[reduction gear]]s to reduce the engine RPM to the rotor RPMs. Several types of reduction gears may be used, including bevel gears, [[planetary gear]]s, [[helical gear]]s, and [[spur gear]]s. Most transmissions contain several reduction gears: the engine itself may contain reduction gears (often spur gears) between the engine's internal shaft and the output drive shaft; the main rotor may have a reduction gear at its base (typically a planetary gear); and there may be reduction gears at the tail rotor, and on the shaft leading to the tail rotor.<ref name="HRFch4"/>{{rp|4-11}}
The Trouve helicopter is discussed in detail in Octave Chanute's Progress in Flying Machines.
It was tested by mounting on a seesaw-like pivot.
It rose, but the power was supplied to the motor through the conductive pivot.
It did not carry its power source with it.
[[User:Roquefortcheesecake|Roquefortcheesecake]] ([[User talk:Roquefortcheesecake|talk]]) 08:59, 9 December 2022 (UTC)


The transmission often includes a [[clutch]], which permits the rotors to engage or disengage from the engine. A clutch is required so the engine can start up and gain speed before taking the load of the rotors. The clutch is also required in the case of engine failure: in that situation, the rotors must disengage from the engine so that the rotors can continue spinning and perform [[autorotation]]. Helicopter clutches are usually [[freewheel]] clutches relying on centrifugal forces ([[sprag clutch]]s are commonly used), but [[belt drive]] clutches are also used.<ref name="HRFch4"/>{{rp|4-12 to 4-13}} [[User:Noleander|Noleander]] ([[User talk:Noleander|talk]]) 15:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
== NASA Mars helicopter ==


This paragraph needs updating to reflect the fact that the NASA Mars helicopter (Ingenuity) has successfully flown many missions on Mars. [[User:Pawprintoz|Pawprintoz]] ([[User talk:Pawprintoz|talk]]) 00:57, 9 January 2023 (UTC)
: This seems very relevant and not an issue to me. You need to pipe a more specific link for transmission in the first sentence, since [[transmission|that]] is a disambiguation page and not that useful of a link. Regards [[User:Fnlayson|&#45;Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 03:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks for the feedback, I made that change. [[User:Noleander|Noleander]] ([[User talk:Noleander|talk]]) 05:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 05:07, 9 December 2024

Experimental helicopter by Dr. Boothezaat in 1923

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I'm reading through old Time Magazine issues. The March 1923 issue discusses Thomas Edison sending Dr. Boothezaat a congratulations for a test of a helicopter by remaining in the air for 2 min 45 sec at a height of 15 feet. Also see https://time.com/vault/issue/1923-03-03/page/23/. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Noloader (talkcontribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 February 2024

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I want to edit something because it doesn’t seem right and giving wrong information about helicopters. You should have also all the answer to helicopters

}} 86.49.255.40 (talk) 12:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2024

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The following phrase, whilst partially correct, is misleading:

"

Sikorsky's V-300, 1937

Most helicopters have a single main rotor, but torque created by its aerodynamic drag must be countered by an opposed torque"

[Suggested Correction]: Aerodynamic drag affects the entire aircraft. Specifically, the aerodynamic drag experienced by the rotor blades is transmitted to the airframe by an equal and opposite 'reaction torque' via the rotor drive shaft and hence the engine mounts. Unlike an automobile engine, in which the. car body cannot rotate in response to this torque, a helicopter is free to rotate around the rotor drive shaft axis. A tail rotor, 'anti-torque rotor', is therefore necessary to establish a balancing (anti-)torque to prevent the airframe from spinning around the rotor axis.

Suggest the text is amended accordingly. 86.26.142.91 (talk) 10:49, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Lightoil (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New section on transmission design

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I noticed that the article does not contain any information on transmission design, which is an important topic for helicopters, so I drafted the following. Since helicopter designs vary so widely, I used words like "usually", "often", and "typically" so it would be clear that not all helicopters share a single design. Please reply with any comments or suggestions. (Note that there is already a subsection within "Saftey" section that discusses transmission safety, see Helicopter#Transmission, but it does not discuss transmission design). Noleander (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed new subsection "Transmission"

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The transmission is a mechanical system that transmits power from the engine(s) to the rotors. The transmission is a system of gears, bearings, clutches and shafts that performs several functions (1) Translates the alignment of the drive shaft to match the alignment of the rotor shafts; (2) Reduces the RPM of the drive shaft to the lower RPMs of the rotors; and (3) Enables the engine to engage or disengage from the rotors. For helicopters with tail rotors, the transmission drivetrain forks into two paths: one leading to the main rotor, and one leading to the tail rotor.[1]: 4-10 to 4-13 [2][3]

The drive shafts of helicopter engines are typically not aligned with the rotor shafts, so the transmission must translate the alignment of the drive shaft to match the shafts of the rotors. Many engine drive shafts are aligned horizontally, yet the main rotor shaft ("mast") is usually vertical, and the tail rotor shaft is often perpendicular to the engine's drive shaft. The transmission contains a series of gears, usually bevel gears, that translate the alignment of the drive shaft to the alignment of the rotor shafts.[1]: 4–12 [4]

The transmission also reduces the RPMs of the engine to the lower RPMs required by the rotors. The output drive shaft of the engine, before any gearing is applied, is typically between 3,000 and 50,000 RPM (turbine engines typically have higher RPM than piston engines). The main rotor typically rotates between 300 to 600 RPM. The tail rotor, if present, usually rotates between 1,000 to 5,000 RPM. (The RPMs of a given model of helicopter are usually fixed — the RPM ranges listed above represent a variety of helicopter models).[5] The transmission contains a series of reduction gears to reduce the engine RPM to the rotor RPMs. Several types of reduction gears may be used, including bevel gears, planetary gears, helical gears, and spur gears. Most transmissions contain several reduction gears: the engine itself may contain reduction gears (often spur gears) between the engine's internal shaft and the output drive shaft; the main rotor may have a reduction gear at its base (typically a planetary gear); and there may be reduction gears at the tail rotor, and on the shaft leading to the tail rotor.[1]: 4–11 

The transmission often includes a clutch, which permits the rotors to engage or disengage from the engine. A clutch is required so the engine can start up and gain speed before taking the load of the rotors. The clutch is also required in the case of engine failure: in that situation, the rotors must disengage from the engine so that the rotors can continue spinning and perform autorotation. Helicopter clutches are usually freewheel clutches relying on centrifugal forces (sprag clutchs are commonly used), but belt drive clutches are also used.[1]: 4-12 to 4-13  Noleander (talk) 15:14, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This seems very relevant and not an issue to me. You need to pipe a more specific link for transmission in the first sentence, since that is a disambiguation page and not that useful of a link. Regards -Fnlayson (talk) 03:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the feedback, I made that change. Noleander (talk) 05:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ a b c d Helicopter Flying Handbook, FAA, 2024, Chaper 4 "Helicopter Components, Sections, and Systems" https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/helicopter_flying_handbook
  2. ^ Helicopter Instructor's Handbook, FAA, 2014, ISBN 9781629141442, 1629141445
  3. ^ Bailey, Norman (2014) 'Helicopter Pilot's Manual Crowood, ISBN 9781847979230, 1847979238
  4. ^ Bevel Gear Fundamentals and Applications, Jan Klingelnberg, 2015, Springer Berlin Heidelberg, ISBN 9783662438930, 3662438933
  5. ^ Seddon, John; Newman, Simon (2011). Basic Helicopter Aerodynamics. John Wiley and Sons. p. 216. ISBN 978-1-119-99410-7.