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== The Advertiser ? == |
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Could someone with access sort out the bare URL ref https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=AAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2Fdelicious-sa%2Fgreat-taste-zero-waste-at-the-ports-newest-cafe%2Fnews-story%2F56d8179ad393f2abe14e21e7ce13ab98&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium which appears in [[Port Adelaide]]? It was [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Port_Adelaide&diff=next&oldid=964766239 added by an IP]. Or perhaps the whole sentence should just be removed? [[User:PamD|<span style="color: green">'''''Pam'''''</span>]][[User talk:PamD|<span style="color: brown">'''''D'''''</span>]] 13:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC) |
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This message is being sent to each WikiProject that participates in the [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment|WP 1.0 assessment system]]. On '''Saturday, January 23, 2010''', the [[User:WP 1.0 bot|WP 1.0 bot]] will be upgraded. Your project does not need to take any action, but the appearance of your project's [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Adelaide articles by quality statistics|summary table]] will change. The upgrade will make many new, optional features available to all WikiProjects. Additional information is available at the [[Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index|WP 1.0 project homepage]]. — Carl <small>([[User:CBM|CBM]] · [[User talk:CBM|talk]])</small> 02:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Project-independent quality assessments == |
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== Adelaide articles have been selected for the Wikipedia 0.8 release == |
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Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Content assessment]], but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent [[WP:Village pump (proposals)/Archive_198#Project-independent_quality_assessments|Village pump proposal]] was approved and has been implemented to add a {{para|class}} parameter to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment. |
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Version 0.8 is a collection of Wikipedia articles selected by the [[Wikipedia:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team|Wikipedia 1.0 team]] for offline release on USB key, DVD and mobile phone. Articles were [[Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Article selection|selected based on their assessed importance and quality]], then article ''versions'' (revisionIDs) were chosen for trustworthiness (freedom from vandalism) using an adaptation of the [[WikiTrust]] algorithm. |
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No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{tl|WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories. |
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We would like to ask you to review the [http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&namespace=0&pagename=&quality=&importance=&score=&limit=100&offset=1&sorta=Importance&sortb=Quality&filterRelease=on&reviewFilter=0&releaseFilter=1&projecta=Adelaide Adelaide articles and revisionIDs we have chosen]. Selected articles are marked with a diamond symbol (♦) to the right of each article, and this symbol links to the selected version of each article. If you believe we have included or excluded articles inappropriately, please contact us at '''[[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8]]''' with the details. You may wish to look at your WikiProject's [http://toolserver.org/~cbm/cgi-bin/problems.cgi articles with cleanup tags] and try to improve any that need work; if you do, please give us the new revisionID at [[Wikipedia talk:Version 0.8]]. We would like to complete this consultation period by midnight UTC on Monday, October 11th. |
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However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{tl|WPBannerMeta}} a new {{para|QUALITY_CRITERIA|custom}} parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. [[User:Aymatth2|Aymatth2]] ([[User talk:Aymatth2|talk]]) 13:38, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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We have greatly streamlined the process since the Version 0.7 release, so we aim to have the collection ready for distribution by the end of October, 2010. As a result, we are planning to distribute the collection much more widely, while continuing to work with groups such as [[One Laptop per Child]] and [http://schools-wikipedia.org/ Wikipedia for Schools] to extend the reach of Wikipedia worldwide. Please help us, with [[Wikipedia_talk:Version_0.8|your WikiProject's feedback]]! |
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:Is it possible to speak to some-one in Adelaide about editing Wikipedia ? |
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For the Wikipedia 1.0 editorial team, [[User:SelectionBot|SelectionBot]] 00:04, 18 September 2010 (UTC) |
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:regards margesson [[User:Margesson|Margesson]] ([[User talk:Margesson|talk]]) 11:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Memorial Drive Park#Requested move 31 August 2024]] == |
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== WikiProject cleanup listing == |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Memorial Drive Park#Requested move 31 August 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User talk:Reading Beans|<span style="color:#333">'''Reading Beans'''</span>]] 16:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC) |
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I have created together with [[User:Smallman12q|Smallman12q]] a toolserver tool that shows a weekly-updated list of cleanup categories for WikiProjects, that can be used as a replacement for [[User:WolterBot|WolterBot]] and this WikiProject is among those that are already included (because it is a member of [[:Category:WolterBot cleanup listing subscriptions]]). See [[User:Svick/WikiProject cleanup listing|the tool's wiki page]], [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListing.php?project=Adelaide this project's listing in one big table] or [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/CleanupListingByCat.php?project=Adelaide by categories] and [http://toolserver.org/~svick/CleanupListing/Index.php the index of WikiProjects]. [[User:Svick|Svick]] ([[User talk:Svick|talk]]) 21:12, 7 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== Meetup == |
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There hasn't been much activity here (ok, so there hasn't been ''any'' activity, but I like to be positive), but I figured this would be a good place to start. I'm thinking it is time for a meetup - January 15 is the 10th Birthday of Wikipedia, and there is loot available for events, thus it makes sense to hold one. :) I can organise the Writer's Centre in the city if we want it there, or we could go for another venue, and there may be some funding floating around that will cover drinks and/or birthday cake. Anyway, if anyone still has this watchlisted, toss in your thoughts. :) - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 05:33, 29 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:Sounds like a great plan, Bilby. I'm not really putting forward any specific ideas at this point, just seconding your motion. By the way, I didn't realise Wikimedia funding would go towards meetups, not that I mind either way. [[User:Donama|Donama]] ([[User talk:Donama|talk]]) 11:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::There was a bit of discussion, but generally the thought was that rather than run Wikipedia birthday events, the Chapter might be able to provide support. The nature of which has net to be determined. :) Generally I'd like to see the Chapter support meetups and similar, as that fits with their purpose of helping encourage the development of free content. The Foundation is also supporting events for the 15th - I think they may be free t-shirts on offer. :) - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 13:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Count me in, fellas.[[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 02:38, 30 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Cool. I'll contact the Foundation about the shirts. :) Any preference on venue? I can ask the Writer's Centre in Rundle Street, as I've used that before, but they don't supply food so we'll need our own pizza, party pies and fair bread. (Ok, I may skip the last two). Otherwise we could try and find a coffee shop or something which will feed us. Or a pub, which has advantages of its own. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 03:37, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::I know it's not central, but how about Sarah's Sisters restaurant on Semaphore Road? It's vegetarian, but they do great food and they are licensed. They are open during the day and on Friday nights - I'm not sure about Saturday nights during summer (15 January 2011 is a Saturday) - but I know the owner (Stuart Gifford) and I'm sure that we can come to a special arrangement if necessary. He would be very interested in having us there. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 10:52, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Is that the same one that was off Hindley Street for a bit? I went there once, and the food was great. :) - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 11:15, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::I've only known Stuart personally since earlier this year, but I've known of him by reputation for nearly 20 years. His first restaurant (that I know of), also called Sarah's (or Sarah's Kitchen??), was for many years in Hutt St in the SE corner of the city; more recently he had one in Port Adelaide (in anticipation of the boom that was supposed to happen due to the redevelopment ... ) before moving to Semaphore Road. He's into environmental sustainability and very community-minded; and I've actually been talking quite a lot to him recently about Wikipedia. [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 12:22, 4 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::I've talked with Stuart at Sarah's, and he is quite agreeable to having us there. He is open on Saturday evenings - it's quieter in the evening than during the day. He is also willing to put on his Friday evening menu for us. (He has been encouraging locals to come on Friday evenings to meet and talk about environmental sustainability, etc., with a "green burger" for $15, pale ales for $5 and in effect operate as a wine-bar.) It's a good atmosphere, quite pleasant with a garden out back, and can easily accommodate 30 or so people. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 01:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::::if it is still possible that souds good to me. I can think of at least 3 or 4 people straight off that would like to go. Should we go with that? And when would he need numbers? - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 12:26, 26 December 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::::::When I last spoke to Stuart 10 days ago, he was quite happy to have us and he said that he would pencil us in for that date (15th Jan). I can keep him updated re numbers as we get closer to the date. This talk page has 67 watchers and it has already been accessed 74 times this month, so potentially there may be quite a bit of interest in the event even though it hasn't been reflected in this discussion so far. I suspect that many people may not yet be focused that far ahead, and that once the New Year has passed we will get more of a response. And do you have any ideas about the format? I have a data projector and can borrow a screen, if necessary, if anyone wants to give a presentation, etc. - I have set this up previously at Sarah's, so that's no problem. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 01:20, 27 December 2010 (UTC) |
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As we are now getting closer to the 15th, we need to make some decisions, now rather than later. Although only three people have contributed to this discussion so far, looking at the page view count there does appear to be at least some latent interest out there. Maybe if the meetup sidebox on this page was updated with the proposed date of 15 January, rather than being left as 'TBA', it could elicit more of a response. |
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Looking at the reports of past meetups, I discovered that there are several past attendees who are still currently active - it would be good to get some feedback from them, as to how useful they found those meetups to be. |
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Although until now I haven't done much editing of Adelaide-related articles (as a relative newcomer, I've been concentrating on learning the ropes through more general editing) I do have quite an interest in local environmental issues (which overlaps onto environmental history, heritage, geography, etc.) and I'd like to help improve the coverage of these topics in WikiProject Adelaide. Perhaps if other project members list their particular interests, we can develop an agenda for discussion of these topics. |
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Recently through my involvement with another community event I printed off some T-shirt transfers, and found that it was a relatively painless process. Is this something that we could consider? Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 02:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:@Bilby, I've amended the sidebox above to confirm the date at least, and updated the [http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adelaide] page with a link back to this page. After checking the [http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page], it seems that we have missed the deadline (1 January) for ordering the freebies from the Wikipedia Foundation, unless you have already arranged something. We can still do our own T-shirts if we want. |
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:I've also looked at the pages for the other events around Australia and NZ, and they all seem to show a similar lack of response (so it's not just us). It may be that this just isn't a good time of year to be organising an event. On the other hand I have previously organised a number of community events involving catering where, despite pleas for RSVPs so that we could accurately estimate the numbers, regularly only about half of those who actually turned up had let us know beforehand that they were coming. |
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:Are you happy with Sarah's Sisters as the venue? If so, I can send out a general notice, per the list in the sidebox above (which comes up if you edit it). Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 04:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::Sarah's Sister is a bit out of the way in Semaphore even though I quite like the place when I don't feel like eating meat. Personally I'd be happy with that but perhaps we could consider a more central/casual option. (I don't think Sarah's Sister could accommodate a large influx without a booking that was accurate). [[User:Donama|Donama]] ([[User talk:Donama|talk]]) 05:29, 5 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::I'd second that. Semaphore is too remote. Stick to the CBD to minimise distance and maximise attendance. [[User:Alex Sims|Alex Sims]] ([[User talk:Alex Sims|talk]]) |
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::::If Sarah's Sisters is out (which I had considered as an evening venue anyway, perhaps more suitable for a more leisurely extended discussion), then we had better come up with another venue pretty quickly. Any suggestions? Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 09:13, 5 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::I generally like the idea of a nice leisurely meal. :) But if food isn't the first priority, or if we can live with pizza, I can organise the Writers Center in Rundle Street or space at UniSA City West with no notice. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 13:23, 5 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::::::Pizza means someone has to take responsibility, which is not looking likely at this point. Can I suggest a largish central cafe, Scoozi, 272 Rundle Street? [[User:Donama|Donama]] ([[User talk:Donama|talk]]) 06:42, 6 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::::I'm all for pizza, or an internet cafe or something in the CBD. I wouldn't have turned up at Semaphore, but if it's in the CBD I may have a chance to appear. About a 10% chance, but I'm going to try. [[User:Sellyminime|<font color="#008080">'''Sellyminime'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sellyminime|<font color="#009933">'''Talk'''</font>]]</sup> 10:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC) |
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===Meetup page=== |
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Created [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/WP10 Adelaide]] in the hope of getting more discussion. Imagine many people are still on comms-free holidays at the moment, but for those who aren't, let's get a move on with this. [[User:Donama|Donama]] ([[User talk:Donama|talk]]) 05:47, 5 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:@Donama, 22 hits on the the page you created yesterday (although I'm the only one who registered), and 29 hits on this page compared with 10 over the previous 4 days. It seems that there ''is'' interest out there, though possibly some of it could be coming from event organisers interstate checking out what's happening here (just as I checked up on them yesterday). Maybe the ethos of responding to RSVPs has become uncool in these days of flash mobs assembling in response to Twitter tweets. Do we need to be prepared to order more pizzas and cake at short notice? Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 03:26, 6 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::22 hits seems piddly. I'm suspecting no one else is reading this. I really think there should be 3 or 4 confirmed yes RSVPs to go ahead with the event. I don't know how to quickly send out spam to locals. I wonder if someone can figure that out? [[User:Donama|Donama]] ([[User talk:Donama|talk]]) 06:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::I've got two definite, including me. And I think I can get some more. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 06:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC) |
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::::Despite 184 views of this page since the New Year (including 85 hits over the past three days), only four people have so far registered on [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/WP10 Adelaide]] as ''will'' / ''probably will'' be attending the event, with another couple of apologies and a 'maybe'. These high recent hit numbers are probably due to the reappearance of the banner advertising the anniversary and much of this traffic may just be curiosity-driven. The [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/WP10 Adelaide]] page, which can be reached by clicking through from the banner and event main page, has had 175 hits this month, including 96 in the past three days. |
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::::However some of this interest may well result in additional attendees, and I note that the [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/WP10 Adelaide]] page contains the item: ''Note: Pizza and drinks to be provided''. @Bilby, have we made arrangements for this? Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 04:59, 14 January 2011 (UTC) |
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:::::There's at least one more person going, and I've emailed some editors from Adelaide to let them know, so perhaps that will help. I think we may also be mentioned in The Age tomorrow, along with the other events. And yes - Wikimedia Australia has agreed to support the WP10 events with funding. I need to confirm the exact amount, but it should be a couple of hundred, so enough to cover all of us. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 05:19, 14 January 2011 (UTC) |
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== Meetup 12 June 2011 == |
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As [[User:Wittylama|Wittylama]] is stopping by, on relatively short notice, we thought it would be nice to have an informal gathering. Bruneli's seems nice, as they have decent cakes, and the [[Belgian Beer Cafe]] is just up the road for those thus inclined. So 6:00pm, Sunday 12 June 2011. Details at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 5]]. [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 07:08, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
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:Erm. I hope the title is a typo. [[User:Sellyme|<font color="#008080">'''Sellyme'''</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Sellyme|<font color="#009933">'''Talk'''</font>]]</sup> 08:30, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
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::Indeed it was. :) - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 08:39, 10 June 2011 (UTC) |
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== Meetup == |
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At the last meetup there was a general wish to do it again, so I've started a discussion thing at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Adelaide/Meetup 6]]. This time we have well over a month to plan, so all should be much better. :) - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 05:32, 28 September 2011 (UTC) |
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== Pageview stats == |
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After a recent request, I added WikiProject Adelaide to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Adelaide/Popular pages]]. |
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The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the [[tools:~alexz/pop/|toolserver tool]]. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! <font face="Broadway">[[User:Mr.Z-man|Mr.]][[User talk:Mr.Z-man|'''''Z-'''man'']]</font> 22:55, 2 October 2011 (UTC) |
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== Adelaide CBD Streets == |
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Comments would be greatly appreciated on several options for [[Template:Adelaide CBD Streets]]; please weigh in on the [[Template talk:Adelaide CBD Streets#Suggested change|talk page]]. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG|talk]]) 03:22, 22 December 2011 (UTC) |
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== Wikimedians to the Games == |
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If there are any sport fans lurking around, [[:outreach:History of the Paralympic Movement in Australia/Wikimedians to the Games|Wikimedians to the Games]] is a collaboration drive to improve Australian Paralympic articles, with the most active contributors having an opportunity to go attend the Paralympic Games and to cover the Games behind the scenes with a press pass. The top two contributors will get their airfare and accommodation paid for. :) The drive official starts on 10 January 2012. --[[User:LauraHale|LauraHale]] ([[User talk:LauraHale|talk]]) 10:02, 31 December 2011 (UTC) |
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== Photo request == |
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This is a call out to Adelaide Wikipedians. I have just created the article for your recently opened [[South Australia Aquatic and Leisure Centre]]. I have done a quick search and there doesn't seem to be a freely available image of the centre. If someone who lives near Oaklands Park could pop down and take photo of the centre (something like this [http://playandgo.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/sa-aquatic-leisure-centre-630x419.jpg image] would be great), upload it to Commons and add it to the article that would be greatly appreciated. Cheers -- [[User:Ianblair23|Ianblair23]] [[User talk:Ianblair23|(talk)]] 04:20, 6 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:It is only a few minutes down the road - I won't be able to get down there until later in the week, but I'll be able to have a go at it then. We're probably limited to external shots at the moment, if that's ok. - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 04:29, 6 May 2013 (UTC) |
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::Hi Bilby, thanks for your quick reply. A good external shot would be great, like the example I gave. Cheers -- [[User:Ianblair23|Ianblair23]] [[User talk:Ianblair23|(talk)]] 04:38, 6 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== [[Template:Adelaide landmarks]] == |
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Just a note to say that I have just created [[Template:Adelaide landmarks]]. (See [[:Category:Australian landmark navigational boxes]] to see the navboxes for Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth.) Could an Adelaide Wikipedian please run their eye over it to see whether anything needs to be added or removed before this get rolled out. The other navboxes also have sections on transportation and parks. However, there are two really good navboxes namely [[Template:AdelaideParklands]] and [[Template:Adelaide CBD Streets]] which already cover these areas but only in the [[City of Adelaide]] LGA. So currently, the major roads and parks outside of the city are not currently included. Cheers -- [[User:Ianblair23|Ianblair23]] [[User talk:Ianblair23|(talk)]] 07:04, 6 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for your good work. I'm not sure what the scope of this template is meant to be -- the CBD, the metro area, or SA. [[Kangaroo Island|KI]], for example, is nowhere near Adelaide. The [[Template:Melbourne_landmarks|MEL template]] is clearly only for the CBD, but [[Template:Sydney_landmarks|SYD]] seems a bit more extensive. As far as transportation goes, the [[Template:Adelaide CBD Streets|Adelaide CBD Streets]] template only covers streets, hardly a complete treatment of transportation. I wouldn't be opposed to merging this template with the parks and streets ones, but others may have very different ideas. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG|talk]]) 07:24, 6 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== Accessing eResources info session == |
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For those who may be interested, the Sate Library of SA is offering an information session on accessing eResources from home, on Wednesday 7 August. It's free, but booking is essential - here's the [http://host7.evanced.info/slsa/evanced/eventsignup.asp?ID=5321&rts=&disptype=&ret=eventcalendar.asp&pointer=&returnToSearch=&num=0&ad=&dt=mo&mo=1/08/2013&df=calendar&EventType=ALL&Lib=&AgeGroup=ALL&LangType=0&WindowMode=&noheader=&lad=&pub=1&nopub=&page=&pgdisp= registration page]. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 05:02, 26 July 2013 (UTC) |
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== City of Adelaide == |
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Members of this Project may be interested in a proposal to improve the article on the clipper ship [[City of Adelaide (1864)|''City of Adelaide'']] in time for the ship's planned arrival in Australia in February. See [[Talk:City of Adelaide (1864)]]. Thanks, [[User:Jonathan Oldenbuck|Jonathan Oldenbuck]] ([[User talk:Jonathan Oldenbuck|talk]]) 11:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC) |
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== Update of list of participants == |
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I've just updated the list of WikiProject Adelaide participants. classing all those who have made at least one edit in 2013 as "active". Of the 32 users on this list, about half have made less than around 25 edits this year. The remainder can be considered highly active, but some have not contributed much in the past few months. A cursory glimpse of the editing history of these most active participants seems to show that they edit widely, with a relatively small proportion of edits to articles relevant to Adelaide or South Australia. However, I do know that there are other editors making quite significant contributions to Project articles, who have never added their names to this list. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 07:15, 3 December 2013 (UTC) |
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:I've just gone through the list of active participants again, keeping only those who have made at least 1 edit in 2014, or later - and moved about half-a-dozen to the inactive list. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 05:39, 20 April 2015 (UTC) |
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::Updated list again, just one editor moved to "inactive" list, as his last edit was in May 2014. [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 01:33, 26 December 2015 (UTC) |
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:::Updated the list again - changed status of 3 participants from Active to Inactive for those who haven't made an edit since 2016, and of 4 participants from Inactive to Active. [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 00:17, 11 February 2018 (UTC) |
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== Popular pages tool update == |
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As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia Labs|Wikimedia Tool Labs]]. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off). |
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== location maps == |
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Do we have anyone here skilled in cartography? Plotting suburbs of Adelaide (or in fact most SA towns!) on a location map of the whole state of South Australia is of limited information value. Adelaide and SA maps equivalent to some I've found for interstate would be nice. Examples include: |
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* {{Category|Victorian LGA location map templates}} |
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* {{template|Location map Australia Victoria complete Melbourne metropolitan area}} |
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I'm not sure I like the colours, but maps of the Adelaide metro area, south eastern SA, and maybe even each district council could help to make the locator maps more useful. Has anyone already started on this, or should I be spending the Christmas holidays learning the intricacies of [[QGIS]] and Wiki map layout? Thanks. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 04:40, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:Sounds like a great idea. I'm not sure why you'd need to know about the intricacies of QGIS, unless you are really insistent on changing the colour schemes. All you really need is an uploadable map image and latitude and longitude of its borders. The source of {{File:Australia Victoria complete Melbourne metropolitan area location_map.svg}} is listed as 'Own work + VicMap Lite' by {{u|Cassowary}} and {{File:Location map Australia Sydney.png}} as 'OpenStreetMap' by {{u|Dr. Blofeld}}. Offhand, it seems like it would be easier to follow the Sydney example, but you could contact either of those users to see if they might be of some assistance. But then I've probably babbled on about stuff you probably already figured out. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG|talk]]) 16:49, 28 November 2014 (UTC) |
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::Thanks for some more leads. I hadn't noticed the OSM connection. I'd noticed that the original uploader of the Victorian maps had retired from Wikipedia, had seen mention of QGIS in Wikiproject Roads for building highway maps, and had found quite a bit of CC-BY data available [http://dpti.sa.gov.au/open_data_portal from DPTI]. That was enough to prompt the enquiry and discussion about what maps might be most use (on the assumption there would be quite a bit of work making each one, which might not have been a valid assumption). --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 13:40, 29 November 2014 (UTC) |
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:::[[File:Australia Greater Adelaide location map.svg|thumb|right]]OK. I've had a go using OSM data. The colours in the Sydney map are OSM defaults. I found a tool called [http://maperitive.net/ Maperitive] that is supposed to do SVG from OSM data better than OSM itself. The default colours and rendering rules tend to emphasise the conservation parks and the not-quite-as main roads (e.g. Salisbury Highway pink stood out much more than Main North Road green). I think a lot more cartography is required to make a map that looks good on Wikipedia. The attempt shown here uses the Maperitive "Google Maps" rules. It is currently in use in [[User:ScottDavis/sandbox|my sandbox]] as an alternative to the [[Hillbank, South Australia]] article. Adelaide is really not a good shape to use a locator map oriented with North up. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 01:48, 1 December 2014 (UTC) |
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::::I think the location map would be better with no suburb names on it -- then the place being located would stand out. As it is, I can hardly tell where Hillbank is on the map on your sandbox. As far as vertical alignment goes, I agree -- it does seem to take up a lot of room in the infobox. Maybe you could have three location maps |
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::::# One at this same scale from the CBD thru the northern suburbs, but with the northernmost part cut off (e.g., Elizabeth & Gawler) |
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::::# One at this same scale from the CBD thru the southern suburbs, but with the southernmost part cut off. |
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::::# One at a different scale that included the parts cut off from the N and S and going out further east, maybe to Murray Bridge. |
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::::Just some thoughts for you to consider. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG|talk]]) 06:25, 2 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Version 1 was generated only using Maperitive. Version 2 has been edited with Inkscape to remove the Maperitive branding, town and suburb names, and route shields. It leaves a cleaner looking map. I don't know if it's helpful to people not familiar with Adelaide. One of the features of Maperitive compared to other tools is that it made a large number of separate layers which make it easier to edit with Inkscape, except that I'm not an expert user, and my computer struggled to run Firefox and Inkscape at the same time :-( If I was more competent, and had more time to concentrate on it, I'd try to make the main roads stand out more (maybe even back to the default OSM colours, but emphasise the green instead of pink). |
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:::::A question I haven't answered for myself yet is what scale and features are helpful to someone not familiar with Adelaide? I would be concerned that only showing part of the metro area tends to give a distorted perspective on the city, but maybe that's OK for the purpose? My chosen extents went just past the urban railway system at Gawler and Seaford. Maybe a square map going [[Grand Junction Road]] to [[Cross Road, Adelaide|Cross Road]] works for the inner suburbs? Are LGA maps useful in SA? I don't know if they have recognisable shapes or meaningful information. That is what Victoria seems to have available, with an inset to show where they are (which would take quite some extra work I expect, and might be easier with Qgis and DPTI data instead of starting from OSM). --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 13:39, 2 December 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::Much better! And thanks for the comment about smaller maps giving a distorted view. Maybe including locator maps of the locator maps would help -- e.g., for north suburbs, map #1 from above would be accompanied by perhaps your map with a box showing the limits of the main guide map -- and maybe even another map of SA (or AU?) showing the limits of the Adelaide metro map. But maybe I'm over-thinking this. [[User:YBG|YBG]] ([[User talk:YBG|talk]]) 05:28, 3 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::::I have added it or replaced the SA map to a few articles this morning, mostly with links from the edit summary back to this discussion. I'd still like to find a way of making the really-main roads stand out more from the slightly-main roads to assist viewer orientation, but I haven't reached sufficient familiarity with the tools yet to achieve it, so hoping to find that Version 2 is good enough for now. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 04:27, 4 December 2014 (UTC) |
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===LGA maps=== |
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[[File:Australia South Australia City of Playford location map.svg|thumb|right]] |
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I've now also practiced with QGIS and made one LGA map. It's the council I live in, so I recognise the shape, but is it useful to people who read Wikipedia from further away? You can see it in use at [[Smithfield, South Australia]]. It has a nicer aspect ratio than the Greater Adelaide map. The lines on it are FREE, HWY, ART and SUBA roads, plus railways.--[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 04:57, 4 December 2014 (UTC) |
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Scott, you recently added the Greater Adelaide map to the infobox of [[National Railway Museum, Port Adelaide]], which I had previously edited. The aspect ratio issue you have mentioned means that the insertion of that map causes the infobox of that article to be rather distorted, and I suspect it does something similar to most of the infoboxes into which it has been placed. Can I suggest a solution to the aspect ratio problem for many of the articles about Adelaide area subjects, namely a map of the Adelaide CBD and a map of Port Adelaide? What I have in mind is something equivalent to, eg, {{template|Location map United Kingdom London Westminster}} (which may in fact be an LGA map), or {{Template|Location map Scotland Edinburgh Central}} (which looks like it isn't an LGA map). [[User:Bahnfrend|Bahnfrend]] ([[User talk:Bahnfrend|talk]]) 09:11, 17 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:Thank you for noticing and commenting. I'm happy to look into some other styles and scales of map when I have time. The extents of the Greater Adelaide map are roughly the ends of the urban railway system, and I tried it on examples of a few different types of infobox. A problem with putting [[Adelaide city centre]] and [[Port Adelaide]] on one smaller map is how to objectively choose the boundaries. For example what makes Port Adelaide worthy of including with the CBD, but not [[Glenelg, South Australia|Glenelg]] or the eastern extent of [[City of Port Adelaide Enfield]]? |
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:I haven't worked out how to do the wider inset like the first example you suggested yet. Getting the line weighting right based on the available data has been a challenge too; some of them put the second-tier roads standing out as more prominent than the main ones, which tended to make the maps quite difficult to understand. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 12:53, 18 December 2014 (UTC) |
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::Sorry, my earlier post may have been confusing; I was suggesting two separate maps, one of the Adelaide CBD and the other of Port Adelaide. You could also create a separate, third, one for Glenelg. Incidentally, as a West Aussie, I'm also interested to know whether you'd be willing to create a Perth CBD, a Fremantle and a Perth metro area map, respectively (ie three maps). In the case of those maps, the local government boundaries would be suitable borders for the first two, and the third could be a map of the [[Perth Metropolitan Region]]. (As I'm not very familiar with Adelaide, I'm not sure whether similar comments could be made about that city.) [[User:Bahnfrend|Bahnfrend]] ([[User talk:Bahnfrend|talk]]) 13:15, 18 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:::If I get the time and am able to sort out the settings to generate better maps from OSM data (the source of the Greater Adelaide map), then I'd be happy to generate them for anywhere that didn't need the settings tweaking further. I don't like the colours I have used at the moment (which is derived from the "like Google Maps" settings), but the "like OSM defaults" settings wasn't sufficiently "like" it to give sensible emphasis to the right levels of roads, especially at thumbnail scale. I don't know if that's a general issue, or if the roads are tagged inconsistently in the OSM data of the Adelaide area. QGIS maps would be less likely to get done by me outside of SA, especially as I don't know where to find the right data. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 00:39, 19 December 2014 (UTC) |
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Please visit [[Talk:South Eastern Freeway#2015 Merge proposal]] for a new proposal to merge these two articles as it appears the government now considers it to be all one road. As there will be quite a bit of work, I decided to consult before being bold. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 22:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC) |
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== WikiConfererence Australia 2015 - Save the date 3-5 October 2015 == |
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Our first Australian conference for Wikipedians/Wikimedians will be held 3-5 October 2015. Organised by [[meta:Wikimedia Australia|Wikimedia Australia]], there will be a 2-day conference (Saturday 3 October and Sunday 4 October) with an optional 3rd day (Monday 5 October) for specialist topics (unconference discussions, training sessions, etc). The venue is the [[State Library of Queensland]] in [[Brisbane]]. So put those dates in your diary! Note: Monday is a public holiday is some states but not others. Read about it here: [[meta:WikiConference Australia 2015|WikiConference Australia 2015]] |
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:Folks, just letting you know we will not be proceeding with Wikiconference Australia 2015 originally proposed for 3-5 October 2015. Thanks to those of you who expressed your support. You are free to watch the football finals instead :-) [[User:Kerry Raymond|Kerry]] ([[User talk:Kerry Raymond|talk]]) 08:26, 3 July 2015 (UTC) |
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== party column in lists of current councillors == |
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Am I the only one who thinks the party column looks odd in the tables of councillors of south Australian LGA articles? I don't recall any party platform advertising material or funding to any campaigns, so I feel it presents undue weight to tag some councillors as belonging to parties now, but not reporting the trade unions or professional bodies they might have declared at the same time. In SA, even party staff stand as ""independents" for local government. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 04:41, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:It's definitely worthy of discussion. I don't really have an opinion, but I'd like to see others. [[User:Donama|Donama]] ([[User talk:Donama|talk]]) 05:42, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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::I have to say that I did a double-take when I first saw these edits, as (unlike, e.g., NSW) traditionally party politics haven't generally played an overt role in local government elections in SA, so it did seem somewhat out-of-place, and close to [[WP:OR|OR]]. Having said that, there are numerous examples of elected council members or candidates moving on to stand for Parliament at state or federal level, or indeed, moving the other way. Then I did a random search of some LGA articles for other states. Listing the party affiliations of councillors seems to have been around for a number of years for articles on NSW councils, and just Brisbane City Council, but not other councils in Queensland; and the same editor has been adding similar affiliations for council members in Victoria, just a few days ago. |
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::This could be a sign of the times, as there has been an on-going debate in the press during the past couple of years over greater transparency, as up to now candidates for local government elections have not had to declare their party affiliations until after they were elected. Below are some links to newspaper articles on this debate. Cheers, [[User:Bahudhara|Bahudhara]] ([[User talk:Bahudhara|talk]]) 08:23, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/council-candidates-to-tell-all-before-polling-day/story-e6frea6u-1226027009447 Council candidates to tell all before polling day] ''The Advertiser'', March 24, 2011 |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/south-australia/charles-sturt-council-mayor-kirsten-alexander-calls-for-political-controls-for-councils/story-e6frea83-1226628763279 Charles Sturt Council Mayor Kirsten Alexander calls for political controls for councils] ''The Weekly Times'', April 24, 2013 |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/city/family-first-push-for-laws-forcing-council-candidates-to-declare-their-political-allegiances-to-end-party-influence-in-local-government/story-fni9lkxa-1227102589378 Family First push for laws forcing council candidates to declare their political allegiances to end party influence in local government] ''The Advertiser'', October 24, 2014 |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/opinion/tea-tree-gully-case-of-alexander-hyde-proves-its-time-for-council-election-reform/story-fni6unxq-1227112425215 Tea Tree Gully case of Alexander Hyde proves it’s time for council election reform] ''Messenger Community News'', November 04, 2014 |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/west-beaches/marion-mayor-felicityann-lewis-says-party-politics-would-help-drive-voter-turnout-in-local-government-elections/story-fni9llx9-1227113083722 Marion mayor Felicity-ann Lewis says party politics would help drive voter turnout in local government elections] ''Portside Messenger'', November 05, 2014 |
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::* Council hopefuls linked to Labor ''Weekly Times Messenger'', 29 Oct 2014 |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/messenger/city/adelaide-city-council-candidates-could-have-to-declare-political-affiliations/story-fni9lkxa-1227452005411 Adelaide City Council candidates could have to declare political affiliations] ''City North Messenger'', July 22, 2015 |
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::* [http://indaily.com.au/news/2015/07/24/push-strengthens-for-greater-local-govt-transparency/ Push strengthens for greater local govt transparency] ''InDaily'', 24 July 2015 |
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::* [http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-05-14/councillors-contesting-the-federal-election-no-focused/7414532 Councillors contesting federal election should lose allowances, mayor Glenn Spear says] ''ABC News'', 14 May 2016 |
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::This article from NSW may also be relevant: |
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::* [http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/party-hacks-in-disguise-of-crafty-council-candidates/story-fndo1sdf-1226462989183 Party hacks in disguise of crafty council candidates] ''The Sunday Telegraph'', September 01, 2012 |
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:::I am in two minds about it: on one hand, I do find it useful and notable information and I do think there is a compelling public interest case for adding it (for much the same reasons illustrated above); but on the other, in less partisan states and councils, I worry about minor BLP issues. This actually mentally played out as "I am going to follow all of these edits and I think I like them but I won't add more because I'm not ''that'' sure". I think it's good we're having the discussion anyway. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 09:38, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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::::Here's an article that shows that as Councillors, they do not do party politics. http://www.news.com.au/national/south-australia/playford-councillor-in-hot-water-over-wearing-liberal-party-tshirt-to-central-district-football-match/story-fnii5yv4-1226748908658 These are the two [[City of Playford]] councillors listed with party affiliations (both Liberal). One of the "independents" was a PUP candidate in 2013, and another used to work in an ALP office I think. It feels quite odd to display the Playford Council as liberal-leaning. This was what first got my attention, and Gawler leaning the other way is nearly as odd. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 15:10, 6 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::I did a double take too when I saw the first one (Prospect). It's interesting but I'm not sure its encyclopaedic as it's seems to be all garnered by original research on lists of pecuniary interests. It's never been, at least in my experience much of an issue when electing councillors. [[User:Alex Sims|Alex Sims]] ([[User talk:Alex Sims|talk]]) 09:46, 8 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::Looked a bit more and I want to '''wave the flag of [[WP:OR]]''' in the case of South Australia. The sources are all from each councils websites, i.e. primary sources and this is a red flag to me. In others states its there are newspapers, i.e. secondary sources, but in SA its not. I'd move strongly to delete the material unless someone can come up with some sources apart from the council's pecuniary interests register. Why are we listing political parties? Why not some of things, like sources of income? If a media outlet steps forward and issues tables for every councillor in every council then fine, but until then no.[[User:Alex Sims|Alex Sims]] ([[User talk:Alex Sims|talk]]) 12:41, 8 June 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::I am not necessarily disagreeing about their removal, but I do disagree about the suggestion of what would be a better source. Media coverage is ''awful'' for this kind of thing because it's never overarching, and piecemeal coverage dates like hell if people join or leave parties (and people have already picked up in this discussion cases where that would leave us to have information that would be wrong in 2016) or documenting that they are, in fact, of whatever party. The only realistic alternative to removing this to remove it from every state that party affiliation isn't on the ballot for, because they're the only two ways of getting definitive party details for councillors that isn't a raging BLP mess waiting to happen. I am not necessarily saying this would be a bad thing (I am on the fence, leading to agreein with you and Scott), but this is a case where newspaper sources (unless some newspaper is being more diligent than they ever are in reality, or some rare one-off case where a local journalist does their homework) have more issues, not less. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 23:48, 8 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::::The newspapers might not be a more accurate source, but they are secondary sources. At the moment almost all of the values in the added column are from primary sources, making the whole thing a concern along [[WP:PRIMARY]] lines. There may be, other concerns along [[WP:BLPPRIMARY]] lines which might come into play. Whilst it is possible for Newspapers (secondary sources) to add a column like we have, they haven't and I think this is a clue as to how we should act. |
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:::::::Just discussed this with a non-editor, and this is another argument that the political leaning of a council as a whole affects their scope of services and level of rates (left more services, higher rates, right converse), but then again the political leaning of a council always follows the leaning of the council area so tracking the councillors is not useful unless the you have a situation where the political views of the councillors don't match their council area, which I believe doesn't occur in SA [[User:Alex Sims|Alex Sims]] ([[User talk:Alex Sims|talk]]) 00:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC) |
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::::::::We use primary sources all the time when they are official sources that are more accurate than the non-official source that may have stuffed something up in translation, which is the case here. Still not saying we ''should'', just that making an argument that we should use sources far more likely to be less accurate and less reliable over official sources on BLP issues is an extremely bad idea. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 00:26, 9 June 2016 (UTC) |
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:::::::::The Council lists are primary sources of ''what the individual councillor declared they are members of''. It is neither a source of what funding and support they receive, nor of what their political leanings actually are. This is my problem. My local example is [[City of Playford]] which has two people who have declared membership of the Liberal party. When mayor [[Glenn Docherty]] stood as the Liberal candidate for Newland in 2014, my personal feeling of betrayal was that he stood for Newland not Napier, not that he stood for Liberal, and I don't think I was alone in that. Other councillors with no political declarations include Musolino who was a PUP candidate in 2013 (I guess we still don't know what he stands for from that), and Marilyn Baker who used to work in [[Martyn Evans]]' office, even while she was mayor![http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/download/library/partypol/1556243/upload_binary/1556243.pdf;fileType=application%2Fpdf#search=%22Z82%201990s%22] The register of declarations does not tell the whole story accurately. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 12:54, 9 June 2016 (UTC) |
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== Trams == |
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{{Glenelg Tram |collapse=yes}} |
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We currently have an article [[Trams in Adelaide]] which is primarily focused on the tram network before 1956, and an article [[Glenelg tram]] primarily about the line and services that remained when most tram lines were ripped up. I have just [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Trams_in_Adelaide&diff=791466841&oldid=789072363 added a bit] to the first article about the next expansion of the current tram line. Since this will include a four-way junction, it's not really the "Glenelg tram" any more if you are travelling between the East End and the Entertainment Centre. I can't find "AdeLINK" anywhere on Wikipedia, but I wonder if it's time to rethink those two articles and their hatnotes. The Trams in Adelaide article is now almost twice as long as it was in 2009 when it was last reviewed for GA, primarily because of additional information about the rolling stock. Perhaps we should have a major shake-up, then work to get one or more of the articles back up to GA or FA standard. Thoughts? --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 13:25, 20 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:I agree that changes and clarifications will need to be made. I see the modern network and the historical network as two distinct things, despite the shared heritage of the Glenelg line. I think we should keep the Glenelg line article, create a new article about the modern network and keep [[Trams in Adelaide]] as the article for the historical network. This is similar to the approach in Sydney, where [[Trams in Sydney]] deals with the former network and [[Light rail in Sydney]] covers the current network. Newcastle does the same thing - [[Trams in Newcastle, New South Wales]] for the former network and [[Newcastle Light Rail]] for the forthcoming network. I would split Adelaide's articles at 2005 - this was when the dilapidated Glenelg line was extensively upgraded and before the new trams were introduced and the extensions built. |
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:Here in NSW, our transport authority refuses to use the word 'tram' and brands the current network as 'light rail', so the tram/light rail split is quite natural. I notice Adelaide Metro does use 'tram', so perhaps [[Trams in Adelaide]] should be repurposed as the article of the current network and the current article at that title moved to [[Trams in Adelaide (historical)]] or similar. |
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:Regarding timing, I think we should wait until more information becomes available on the network's operation and branding once the extensions open before making significant changes to the current article structure. [[User:Gareth|Gareth]] ([[User talk:Gareth|talk]]) 20:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC) |
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::I was thinking that "Trams in Adelaide" should be the overview/summary article, with subordinate articles as required. We still use the word "tram" to refer to them, rather than "light rail". It seems that most of the current and future expansions will be on-road, so the Glenelg route will become more "different" as being predominantly on its own right-of-way (I'm not sure how reserving part of the road median is counted). Things I noticed to be missing at the moment included (and perhaps this list belongs in a separate section of [[talk:Trams in Adelaide]] eventually): |
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::*Detail of the Port Adelaide network (closed 1935) |
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::*Any mention at all of the [[Gawler, South Australia|Gawler]] tram (were there any other isolated lines not mentioned?) |
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::*A clear delineation of where the "Glenelg tram" ends (at the city/entertainment centre/Ayers House/Elder park end). |
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::*An explanation of why it was important that Port Adelaide to Albert Park needed to accommodate steam engines |
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::*Was the rest of the Port Adelaide network also built to broad gauge, was Albert Park eventually converted to standard gauge, or did it always need separate rolling stock? |
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::I accept that starting to make large changes would break the GA assessment. Other than that risk, I don't see an issue with making the structural changes "now" so that updates as (and if) the network expands, there is somewhere sensible to document it. We know that it will go to Ayers House/Old RAH and it already goes to the Entertainment centre. There is a plan, but no present funding commitment for a few more extensions, and a hand-wavy idea for a few more. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 10:40, 21 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:::It looks like a couple more articles to consider are [[Municipal Tramways Trust]] and [[Trolleybuses in Adelaide]]. The MTT article contains a list of tram types as well. The Trolleybus article says they supplanted some of the tram routes. I have added the current extension to the Glenelg tram route map, but that can't go on if there are too many longer new routes. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 23:16, 22 July 2017 (UTC) |
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::I support the idea of giving the Adelaide tram articles a refresh. I have a few points: |
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::# the "[[Trams in Adelaide]]" article is becoming (or currently is) "uncomfortably long" ([[Wikipedia:Article size]]). We could consider splitting this into multiple articles that describes the: (1) network, possibly history and current network; and (2) the trams themselves. I can visiualise the "[[Trams in Adelaide]]" article becoming a summary/overview. In addition, I believe the "Electric tram types" section in "[[Trams in Adelaide]]" could be in a separate article because of its length and detail. |
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::# I oppose having tram types in a plurality of articles. I believe it becomes difficult to maintain as compared to having all the tram types in one article (I'm referring to the section in [[Municipal Tramways Trust]]). |
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::# I believe the GA assessment should be the last priority and should not restrict our editing. The tram network is changing and so should the article. And if I recall one of Wikipedia's policies, articles are never finished...they will continue to be improved. |
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::# It may be a good idea to create a template (to place at the bottom of every Adelaide tram article) for everything related to the Adelaide trams. It could show readers which tram types or routes are in service, discontinued or in planning. |
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::<span style="border-left: 3px solid #f16814"> [[User:Honette|<font color="#f16814">Honette</font>]]</span> 03:30, 23 July 2017 (UTC) |
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Here's a quick attempt at a navbox. I went wider than just trams, as they overlap with other modes of public transport, and there didn't seem to be a navbox for any of them except the broader {{tl|South Australian Railways locos}}. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 10:01, 23 July 2017 (UTC) |
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''(substituted from historic copy 8/2/19)'' |
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{{Navbox |
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| name = Public transport in Adelaide |
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| title =[[Public transport in Adelaide]] |
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| listclass = hlist |
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| state = {{{state|}}} |
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| above = |
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| image = |
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| group1 =Trains |
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| list1 = {{navbox subgroup |
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|above=[[Railways in Adelaide]] |
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|group1 = Current lines |
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| list1= |
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* [[Gawler railway line]] |
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* [[Outer Harbor railway line]] |
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* [[Grange railway line]] |
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* [[Seaford railway line]] |
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* [[Tonsley railway line]] |
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* [[Belair railway line]] |
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|group2=Former lines |
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|list2 = |
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* [[Bridgewater railway line|Bridgewater]] |
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* [[Finsbury railway line|Finsbury]] |
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* [[Hendon railway line|Hendon]] |
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* [[Henley Beach railway line|Henley Beach]] |
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* [[Northfield railway line|Northfield]] |
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* [[Penfield railway line|Penfield]] |
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* [[Semaphore railway line|Semaphore]] |
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* [[Willunga railway line|Willunga]] |
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* [[Jubilee Exhibition Railway|Exhibition]] |
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* [[North Terrace – Glenelg railway line|North Terrace to Glenelg]] |
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* [[Dry Creek-Port Adelaide railway line|Dry Creek-Port Adelaide railway]] |
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|group3 = Rolling stock |
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|list3= |
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* [[Redhen railcar]] |
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* [[2000 class railcar]] |
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* [[3000 class railcar]] |
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* [[Adelaide Metro A-City Class 4000]] |
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}} |
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| group2 =Trams |
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* [[Trams in Adelaide]] |
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* [[Glenelg tram]] |
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* [[Tram types in Adelaide]] |
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| group3 = Buses |
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* [[Buses in Adelaide]] |
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* [[O-Bahn Busway]] |
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* [[Trolleybuses in Adelaide]] |
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| group4 = Places |
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* [[Adelaide railway station]] |
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*[[Adelaide Tramway Museum at St Kilda]] |
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*[[National Railway Museum, Port Adelaide]] |
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*[[Islington Railway Workshops]] |
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| group5 = Organisations |
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* [[Adelaide Metro]] |
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* [[TransAdelaide]] |
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* [[State Transport Authority (South Australia)|State Transport Authority]] |
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* [[Municipal Tramways Trust]] |
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* [[South Australian Railways]] |
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:I think that's good. It gives the reader an overall scope of Adelaide's public transport. <span style="border-left: 3px solid #f16814"> [[User:Honette|<font color="#f16814">Honette</font>]]</span> 10:10, 24 July 2017 (UTC) |
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::Looks great. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 13:15, 24 July 2017 (UTC) |
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It turns out that "my" template was late to the party. {{tl|Adelaide public transport}} was created a week earlier with pretty much the same intent. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 13:59, 25 July 2017 (UTC) |
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{{Adelaide public transport}} |
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In regards to reformatting the '''Trams in Adelaide''' article, I have a proposal based on the current structure of similar articles for Sydney. |
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#'''''Trams in Adelaide''''' is maintained in its current form to cover the historic tram network and former rolling stock, similar to [[Trams in Sydney]]. |
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#'''''Glenelg tram''''' article is maintained in its current form to cover the light rail line in its present form (Glenelg—Ent Ctr; Festival Plaza, East End). |
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#A new article, named '''''Light rail in Adelaide''''' to be created as an outline of current operations, and detailing the "AdeLINK" network proposal, in line with [[Light rail in Sydney]]. Any future light rail developments not directly concerning the Glenelg line can be listed here.<br> |
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– [[User:Nick Mitchell 98|Nick Mitchell 98]] <sup>[[User talk:Nick Mitchell 98|talk]]</sup> 05:30, 26 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:Questions I don't think are resolved yet include: |
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:#Where should the descriptions of tram types (retired and current) belong? Currently, types A-H are described in [[Municipal Tramways Trust]], types A-H1, plus the Flexity Classic and Citadis are described in [[Trams in Adelaide]], and H, Flexity Classic and Citadis are in [[Glenelg tram]] as well. |
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:#Where is the "end" if [[Glenelg tram]], and will it shift in future? Until 2007, it was Victoria Square, then Adelaide railway station (the "City West" stop), then from 2010 it has been the Entertainment Centre. Will it still be the "Glenelg tram" when it sprouts more ends and the ends are (besides Glenelg) at the Entertainment Centre, Elder Park and Ayers House? What about when the ends are at Prospect and Norwood? If we think the end will recede back to Victoria Square or North Terrace junction, then why not document it that way now, as the Government literature says the east end extension is the first stage of East''LINK''. |
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:#Why choose to use the term "light rail" when the sources generally don't? [http://infrastructure.sa.gov.au/public_transport_projects/electrification_of_public_transport_in_adelaide Ade''LINK''] is described as a tram network, not a light railway network like Sydney's is. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ScottDavis|ScottDavis]] ([[User talk:ScottDavis#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ScottDavis|contribs]]) 07:33, 26 July 2017 (UTC)</small> |
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::{{ping|ScottDavis}} |
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::2. There are no currents plans to further expand the current Glenelg line, rather add a series of new, separate lines. These lines can be covered initially in a collective article, then go into more detail in separate articles (see ''[[Light rail in Sydney]]'' or ''[[Trams in Melbourne]]''). |
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::3. True, if we do end up splitting the rolling stock into a separate article, there would be more space for current operations to be listed, similar to ''Trams in Melbourne''. |
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:::My point at 2) is that once East''LINK'' and/or City''LINK'' are built, it won't be the "Glenelg Tram" to the East End stop (in front of Ayers House/OldRAH) then East''LINK'' beyond, it will stop being Glenelg Tram somewhere short of that point, so we should not keep incrementally adding to that article, we should keep [[Glenelg tram]] about that route and start a [[CityLINK|City''LINK'']] or [[AdeLINK|Ade''LINK'']] article or keep the extra bits in [[Trams in Adelaide]] until there's enough to write about one of the other routes. In fact, there is a diagram somewhere from DPTI that shows the track layout on North Terrace without a right turn track from King William Street to North Terrace (East), so that might never be "Glenelg Tram". What I don't know yet is where "Glenelg tram" ends and the rest of the network starts. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 14:25, 29 July 2017 (UTC) |
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::::The "Glenelg tram", currently and in future government AdeLINK plans,[http://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/279809/AdeLINK_MCA_Summary_FINAL.pdf] is defined only as ''Glenelg to Entertainment Ctr''. My suggestion was to keep this article as it currently stands (including Festival Plaza and East End, for now). |
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::::CityLINK will form an independent loop within the city, incorporating the East End extension. CityLINK will share part of the Glenelg line on North Terrace, but only between King William St and West Tce; it is still a separate route.[http://www.dpti.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0008/279809/AdeLINK_MCA_Summary_FINAL.pdf] Once CityLINK and the other routes begin construction, they can get their own articles. |
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::::We can keep a general overview in ''Trams in Adelaide'' (in line with ''Trams in Melbourne'' article). – [[User:Nick Mitchell 98|Nick Mitchell 98]] <sup>[[User talk:Nick Mitchell 98|talk]]</sup> 09:06, 30 July 2017 (UTC) |
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===Article split proposal=== |
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I have put {{tl|split}} tags on the top of both [[Municipal Tramways Trust]] and [[Trams in Adelaide]] pointing to this discussion. I propose to cut out the long lists of tram types from both articles, and combine them in [[Tram types in Adelaide]]. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 23:29, 28 July 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''': This would certainly free up space on existing articles and collate related information into one article. – [[User:Nick Mitchell 98|Nick Mitchell 98]] <sup>[[User talk:Nick Mitchell 98|talk]]</sup> 03:23, 29 July 2017 (UTC) |
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* '''Support''': Having them in one place will make maintenance easier and reduces data fragmentation. I believe the tram types section is long enough to have its own article. This course of action will reduce the size of those two articles and make it more comfortable to read as per [[WP:SIZE]] <span style="border-left: 3px solid #f16814"> [[User:Honette|<font color="#f16814">Honette</font>]]</span> 02:45, 30 July 2017 (UTC) |
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It has been over a week. I am about to implement this. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 08:51, 7 August 2017 (UTC) |
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:Update - I have finished for tonight. If someone else wants to tidy up further, you are welcome. My followup thoughts are: |
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:#Did we make the [[Tram types in Adelaide]] article big enough it should be split per (major) class, like [[:Category:Melbourne tram vehicles|Melbourne tram vehicles]]? |
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:#Is the correct style "X type tram" or "type X tram"? |
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:#Have I completely destroyed [[Trams in Adelaide]] such that we should pre-emptively remove the "Good article" status, and consider what needs to be done to get it back? |
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:Thanks for help and comments so far. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 10:50, 7 August 2017 (UTC) |
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::I thoroughly support your splitting efforts, [[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]], for what it’s worth. Comments on your follow-up thoughts: |
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::: "Tram vehicles/types in [Melbourne/Adelaide]" is better from a Wikipedia search viewpoint than "[Melbourne/Adelaide] tram vehicles/types". See the categories "Railways in [city]" vs "[City] railways". The latter reflects a city focus, the former a railway focus. Hence I'd recommend staying with "Trams in Adelaide". Of course, "Tram lines ..." could be considered.... ;-) |
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:::All MTT drawings and documents I have seen over the years are in the form "Type [letter]", i.e. "Type H" etc. |
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:::Re the "Good article" status, in this case I think the saying "It's better to ask forgiveness than permission" might apply. [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 15:29, 2 March 2018 (UTC) |
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===Organisation of tram articles=== |
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(Nick, I apologise if I have affected any of your latest edit -- I didn't notice it until I had finished. Please let me know if I have.) |
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For the past few weeks I’ve been thinking about the way in which the Adelaide tram articles are organised, prompted by the comments above and my own feeling for a while that their organisation isn't as good as it could be. I have very carefully read the views on article splitting. |
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After sketching up various ways in which it could be done (and going back to the sketches in the cold light of morning to see often that they weren't adequate), I believe the best way would be to structure the articles as shown in this overview diagram: |
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[[File:Overview chart, "Trams in Adelaide" article.png|thumb|left|A timeline chart showing Adelaide's tram eras, managing agencies, tram types, route kilometres, and total numbers of cars]] |
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The diagram could be included in the main article, i.e. '''Trams in Adelaide'''. |
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This isn't too far different from the ideas of Scott, Honette and Nick – and the consequences would be a firmer structure that the 140-year history and organisational complexity demand. |
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Following this through would give rise to: <br>{{bulleted list| |
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trimming some of the main "Trams in Adelaide" article (not deleting any content — just shifting some detail to subsidiary articles, e.g. some of the description of the first electric trams, mid-century decline, patronage), so that the coverage will be uniformly at overview level, incorporating all key events and characteristics but not getting into into great detail — a good quick read for the casual visitor | |
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tidying up some content in the subsidiary articles after the text has been added from "Trams in Adelaide" | |
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creating two new articles: '''Horse trams in Adelaide''' and '''City Tram Extension project''' | |
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creating two new sections in the "Trams in Adelaide" article: a brief coverage of tram types (as with other sections it would be linked to the article of that title), and a summary of the various transport management agencies. |
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| City Tram Extension era || New article:<br> '''Tramways expansion in Adelaide'''.|| I recommend using the term "City Tram Extension" because it’s the current DPTI terminology, such as here: https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/395689/DOCS_AND_FILES-12089963-v7-City_Tram_Extension_-_Communications_-_Stage_4_construction_newsletter_.pdf). It also gets away from over-applying "Glenelg tram". Already people are referring less to the Glenelg tram and more to just "the tram", and this will accelerate as routes expand.<br> The new article is where we would consolidate all new line-building and social and economic content, including patronage. It should clearly separate dreams/plans and actuality. || |
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Separate from the above, I thought the infobox could be much more helpful, and I have spent some time on reorganising and expanding it. I've put it on the [[Trams in Adelaide]] page. |
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Presentation of the infobox in chronological order of eras will help to give a clearer picture – this is supported in [[Template:Infobox tram network]] guidance. I have added some important details including kilometrage, agency dates and exact locations of the Hackney and Glengowrie depots. This may make for a long infobox, but by starting with key dates in the non-collapsible start of the infobox, with the eras initially collapsed, this should be enough to satisfy many casual readers (not everyone curious about Adelaide's present-day trams will be interested in horse trams, say) so they can choose what they want to look at. You'll see I have hyperlinked a lot of relevant sections or articles throughout the infobox too. |
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I have included dates in the infobox headings for the eras to accommodate the fact that the dates of operation do not exactly coincide with dates of ownership – such as when the MTT ran horse trams for 7 years while electrifying. Where there has been such an overlap I've made it evident in the "Operator(s)" section for each era (e.g. "MTT extant 1907–1975" in the MTT street lines section). |
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At present there are 8 valuable subsidiary articles in addition to "Trams in Adelaide". If we add new ones on horse trams and the City Tram Extension project, there will be 10. I have designed a quote box, initially collapsed, to make it easier for readers to go straight to them – all items will be linked. Here's what I have in mind: |
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I would be willing to implement the improvements as outlined, provided there is consensus on the way ahead (which I realise may not be the same as above). |
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This would involve transferring material between all the articles for better placement and to avoid duplication, creating the two new articles, and contributing a little "smoothing out" editing. Shouldn't take too long ... |
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Hmm, I get like this when I'm about to go down with the flu ... |
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I'm looking forward to hearing your comments and ideas! Cheers, Simon. ==> [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 19:05, 2 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Support''' It looks like a well-thought-out plan to me. Thank you. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 22:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Partial Support''' You present a firm argument and I support the creation of a ''Horse trams in Adelaide'' article. However, there are some elements I personally disagree with: |
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**The term "City Tram Extension" relates only to the current East End/Festival Plaza extension project, as stated in the DPTI article you referenced and [https://www.infrastructure.sa.gov.au/public_transport_projects/city_tram_extension on the DPTI website]. It does not cover all twenty-first century expansions, which were undertaken as part of separate smaller projects over the past decade. The twenty-first century expansions are already covered in slightly more detail in the ''Glenelg tram'' article as that is the route that they pertain to. |
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**There is a distinction between the small isolated projects to extend the Glenelg line over the last decade (as above), and the proposals of new lines and a new network. Current network expansion plans are detailed in the main ''Trams in Adelaide'' article under "Proposed expansions". |
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**The idea that was put forward in previous discussions was to keep the ''Glenelg tram'' article related to the primary Glenelg-City route; and once new routes are constructed they will be covered in their own separate articles similar to the Melbourne routes articles. – [[User:Nick Mitchell 98|Nick Mitchell 98]] <sup>[[User talk:Nick Mitchell 98|talk]]</sup> 04:03, 7 April 2018 (UTC) |
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I am not sure if I have thought of content that is missing from [[Municipal Tramways Trust]] and for the future [[Horse trams in Adelaide]] article, or if there need to be more new related articles. The topic I am thinking of is other trams in South Australia that were never connected to the main Adelaide network. The MTT article says there was a depot at Port Adelaide, but doesn't indicate why, so I'm not sure if the Port Adelaide network was ever connected to the Adelaide network, or was taken over then closed. [[Gawler, South Australia]] mentions the horse tram there (with a photo) which did not close until 1931. It suggests that was a broad gauge line as locomotives could be delivered from the factory via the tramway. Several early rural freight railways were operated by horses and called "tramways", but they may be out of scope for inclusion here. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 07:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:According to [http://www.trammuseumadelaide.com/414282501 the corresponding article] on the St Kilda Tramway Museum website, the Port Adelaide-Albert Park horse tram line was purchased by the MTT in 1912. The original Albert Park route (terminating at the depot) was electrified and reopened alongside the new Semaphore, Largs and Rosewater routes in April-May 1917 (all lines originated at "Black Diamond corner" Commercial Rd/St Vincent St intersection). The S/L/R routes closed in July 1935 while the Albert Park route closed November 1934 (shared portions were still used by the other routes). – [[User:Nick Mitchell 98|Nick Mitchell 98]] <sup>[[User talk:Nick Mitchell 98|talk]]</sup> 03:44, 8 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::So bought by MTT, but not connected. There's a 1907 route map in Commons that shows one line from Port Adelaide (I guess Albert Park). Thanks. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 15:09, 8 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::Correct. There are '''[http://www.trammuseumadelaide.com.au/images/tram_routes/Tramroute_north.gif north/south]''' and '''[http://www.trammuseumadelaide.com.au/images/tram_routes/Tramroute_east.gif east/west]''' maps from the old versions of the Tramway Museum's line articles that may help, it wasn't pulled over to the updated versions. – [[User:Nick Mitchell 98|Nick Mitchell 98]] <sup>[[User talk:Nick Mitchell 98|talk]]</sup> 13:12, 9 April 2018 (UTC) |
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===2019 upgrade of Adelaide trams articles=== |
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====1. Draft of new article: Adelaide’s horse trams==== |
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Dear people, |
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Following the ideas I put forward on this page on 2nd April last year for some substantial upgrading of Adelaide tram articles ([[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Adelaide#Trams]]), I was fortunate to have time in the subsequent four months to put in some really intensive effort -- a rare opportunity for me -- on research and on sourcing of images for two new articles and upgrades to others. In more recent months, more sporadically, I have been mainly fact-checking, making improvements after independent review, and generally mopping up. |
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I have almost concluded my work on all articles and have finished the first one, which I have uploaded for the time being on a subpage of my User page for your comment. Others will follow. |
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The first article is one of the two new ones I proposed. Covering the horse trams, it expands on the current horse tram section in the ''Trams in Adelaide'' article. |
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The consequential change in the ''Trams in Adelaide'' article is to reduce the horse trams section to a summary level. Similar reductions have been drafted to make "Trams in Adelaide" a high-level overview of the entire subject of Adelaide's trams for the general reader. |
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A lot of new coverage has been added to what was in the ''Trams in Adelaide'' article. The new material is backed by 20 references in addition to the earlier 17. There are more photos too, chosen for relevance. These are mainly from the marvellous State Library of South Australia collection or have been provided by friends and colleagues, including several from prints obtained from SLSA in pre-digital times (remember them?). |
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I revisited all existing references because, as might be expected over time, some sources are no longer accessible (e.g. the Tramway Museum St Kilda's "yellow brochure") and some were incorrect or vague. As always, the National Library's ''Trove'' for Adelaide newspapers has been invaluable. Seven publications have been added to the "Further reading" section. I've been hugely fortunate to have had help with source text, photos, suggestions and fact-checking from several established tramways authors. |
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Back in April I said (under the heading "Mention of related articles"): |
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:"At present there are 8 subsidiary articles in addition to 'Trams in Adelaide'. If we add two new ones on horse trams and the [tramways revival] there will be 10. I have designed a quote box, initially collapsed, to make it easier for readers to go straight to them – all items will be linked." |
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I have included this panel and intend to have it in the other articles. |
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You can see the draft article on a subpage to my User page: [[User:SCHolar44/subpage1]] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SCHolar44/subpage1). |
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;Please comment, including "support / do not support" moving to the Mainspace |
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Please state '''on this page, below,''' whether you support or do not support the proposed article being moved to the Mainspace. This is where you can make any comments not specific to the horse trams article – e.g. about the "Links to other articles about trams in Adelaide" panel. |
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Please also leave any comments or queries about the content of the horse trams draft on the draft's '''Talk page''' – [[User talk:SCHolar44/subpage1]]. |
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Soon I'll upload a table updating the earlier proposed structure of the articles. |
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I look forward to hearing your comments. PS: Please be gentle! ;-) |
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Cheers, Simon. [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 06:41, 6 February 2019 (UTC) |
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:Looks stellar - can't see why it'd be remotely controversial to move it to mainspace. Almost a [[WP:GA|Good Article]] right off the bat! [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 11:09, 6 February 2019 (UTC) |
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*'''support''' it looks like a pretty good article to me. Well done. Rather than the custom box at the top for other articles, I'd consider a template using {{tl|sidebar}} that would then be the same on all the tram in Adelaide articles, and appear below the infobox. --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 01:51, 8 February 2019 (UTC) |
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::Thank you for the suggestion, Scott. I did consider a sidebar, but ended up preferring a collapsible box on the left because it's seen first by the new reader, whereas under the infobox it isn't so prominent. I also noted that the sidebar isn't visible on mobile devices. See what you think when a few more articles are uploaded? [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 06:17, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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====2. Draft of new article: Adelaide’s tramways revival==== |
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Dear people, |
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The second of the two new articles I proposed last April was to have been called, using the terminology of that time, '''City Tram Extension Project'''. With a change of government and public transport direction I believe it best to avoid all ephemeral project titles. I've therefore named the draft "Adelaide’s tramways revival". (The City Tram Extension Project is included, of course – it's mentioned under the Labor Government section.) |
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The article covers the changes since the Glenelg line was re-engineered in 2005 – i.e., all route extensions and rolling stock acquisitions. I envisage this page is the one on which future developments can be written about, instead of in the "Glenelg tram" article. |
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You can see the draft article on a subpage to my User page: [[User:SCHolar44/subpage1]] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:SCHolar44/subpage2). |
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;Summary of proposed structure of Adelaide tram articles |
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As promised, here is an updated version of the structure I proposed last April: |
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|<br>'''NEW article:<br><br><kbd><span style="color: #0645AD">{{big|Horse trams in Adelaide}}'''</span></kbd>||Reason for new article: a large topic spanning 39 years. Expands considerably on the "Horse trams" section in the present "Trams in Adelaide" article (a summary is substituted for the removed content).||Currently in draft space<br>for comment. || |
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|'''NEW article:<br><br><kbd><span style="color: #0645AD">{{big|Adelaide's tramways revival}}'''</span></kbd>|| Reason for new article: much of the content describing recent developments in the "Glenelg tram" article had made the article too long — or (as someone noted) getting to that stage. This new article incorporates that content, and describes all developments since the 2005 upgrade of the Glenelg line. <br><br> This article is where news and other information about plans and developments can go. (Given that the new SA government’s intentions are far more conservative than the CityLINK and other plans of the previous government I believe it will be a long time before it will be worthwhile to have one article per new line as in Melbourne.)||Currently in draft space<br>for comment.|| |
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| '''Updated article:<br><br><kbd><span style="color: #0645AD">{{big|Trams in Adelaide}}'''</span></kbd>|| I have pulled out detailed text from the existing article so that it now contains only high-level summary content. It's one that many (most?) readers won't go past, bearing in mind the average visit to Wikipedia articles lasts 4 minutes 15 seconds. It has prominent links to the more comprehensive articles as listed below, with hyperlinks to other articles.<br><br>Non-summary content from the present article has been redistributed to other articles, so apart from duplicative text nothing has been lost.||Imminent.|| |
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| '''Updated article:<br><br><kbd><span style="color: #0645AD">{{big|Tram types in Adelaide}}'''</span></kbd>|| I hadn't intended to do much work on this article but as I got into it I realised there was inconsistency in treatment (only natural when articles are added to over a long period) and that some detail went far beyond the summary level that should characterise an encyclopaedia (e.g. leather hanging straps in one Citadis car). I gave each type consistent textual treatment and put in additional photos of the trams in revenue service, and created new artwork for the page. I introduced "At a glance" panels for each tram type to satisfy the general reader.<br><br>The table headed "Trams in museums (2007)" is in urgent need of updating by someone who has access to the necessary verifiable information (I don't) and can cite it. ||Imminent.|| |
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| '''Updated article:<br><br><kbd><span style="color: #0645AD">{{big|Glenelg tram line}}'''</span></kbd>|| I will make a "move" proposal to add "line" to the article’s title in keeping with the general practice of focusing articles on lines.<br><br>New content includes early development of the line. Material on Adelaide’s tramways revival has been moved to the article of that name, as above. The extensive information on Type H / 300 Series trams has been moved to "Tram types in Adelaide". ||Coming soon.|| |
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| '''Updated article:<br><br><kbd><span style="color: #0645AD">{{big|Adelaide's public transport management agencies}}'''</span></kbd>|| A very brief article simply summarising the MTT, STA, TransAdelaide, DPTI, Adelaide Metro branding and the South Australian Public Transport Authority (soon to be established), with links to existing agency articles in Wikipedia. However, it may be better to have the content as links in the "Trams in Adelaide" article — I’ll see what it looks like when I get to this, which will be the last of the lot.||Later.|| |
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Cheers, Simon. [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 05:49, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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:I think the "Adelaide's tramways revival" title is awkward (it's a bit of an essay title) - maybe "Trams in Adelaide in the 21st century"? I'm not sure - maybe someone else has a better idea. The content is, as always, great, and the logic for dumping the previous title sensible considering the change of government. [[User:The Drover's Wife|The Drover's Wife]] ([[User talk:The Drover's Wife|talk]]) 06:03, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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::Yes, I thought it was a bit evangelical. In the end I kept it because I think the revival after 47 years of near-death experiences is the major point. I did give serious consideration to "Trams in Adelaide in the 21st century" but since we're near the end of the second decade I thought it was a bit passé -- and it omitted the major point. However, if people prefer that I would be equally happy. [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 06:11, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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::Just remembered (10 months later): another title I thought about was "Tramway extensions" -- but the substantial re-engineering of the Glenelg line wasn't an extension. "Renewal" I thought was a possible alternative, though it contained less of a "back from the half-dead" element. "Renaissance" could suit but is probably more overblown than is justified, especially since the wings of visionary route extensions have been clipped to the stump. So I kept returning to "revival". But still OK with 21st century if people prefer that. Cheers, Simon. [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 23:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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:I don't think the [[Holdfast Bay railway line]] was ever a tramway. It was acquired by the MTT, but then closed rather than converted. I'm not sure if it belongs in this series. Incidentally, I added stuff about the Bakewell Bridge to [[Currie Street, Adelaide]] tonight, with a couple of newspaper references which make an interesting read. It appears that Glover Avenue only existed at the end of Currie Street since 1925, when the Bakewell Bridge was built to reduce (tram and motor) traffic in King William Street. Before that, Henley Beach Road had a level crossing, but I didn't find a reference for where it went through the parklands - Hindley Street? --[[User:ScottDavis|Scott Davis]] <sup>[[User talk:ScottDavis|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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::You're right of course -- it never was a tramway. This was an element that I had parked to one side very early on so some reference to it wasn't lost in coverage of the early Glenelg line, and it stayed there. Thank you for that, Scott -- I'll remove it from the navigation list and just cross-refer to in the Glenelg line article -- and thank you also for your addition. |
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::The source for the Henley Beach tram proceeding through the west Park Land from Hindley Street, as shown on my map of horse tram routes, was the City inset in Map 1 on page 159 of ''Adelaide road passenger transport 1836-1958'', drawn by Chris Steele based on information compiled by the meticulous Lionel Kingsborough. Cheers, Simon. [[User:SCHolar44|SCHolar44]] ([[User talk:SCHolar44|talk]]) 23:40, 9 February 2019 (UTC) |
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== Photo of the first SA [[Tesla Supercharger]] == |
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[[Image:Tesla FranklinStAdl.png|right|thumb|The first [[Tesla Supercharger]]s in [[South Australia]] available from 28 September 2017.]] |
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Image description: The first [[Tesla Supercharger]]s (also with generic chargers) to be rolled out and installed in [[South Australia]], pictured on [[Franklin Street, Adelaide]], available to the public from 28 September 2017, completing an Australian Tesla charging network that stretches as far as the [[Queensland]] capital over 2,000 km (1,200 mi) away. One 30 minute quick charge of a [[Tesla Model S]] or [[Tesla Model X]] yields an approximate driving range of 270 km. See http://reneweconomy.com.au/tesla-charging-stations-link-adelaide-worlds-largest-battery-20202/ for more information. |
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I took the photo in Franklin St today next to the bus station. Apart from the [[Franklin Street, Adelaide]] article, i'm not sure where else the image might be suitable for addition, so I thought i'd park it here if others have ideas. [[User:Timeshift9|Timeshift]] ([[User talk:Timeshift9|talk]]) 07:36, 28 September 2017 (UTC) |
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== WikiProject collaboration notice from the [[WP:WPPORT|Portals WikiProject]] == |
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The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them. |
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Portals are being redesigned. |
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The new design features are being applied to existing portals. |
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At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template {{tl|Transclude lead excerpt}}. |
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The discussion about this can be found '''[[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Portals#AWB_team_please_tackle_maintenance_run_on_intro_sections|here]]'''. |
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Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members '''[[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Portals#Specific_portal_maintainers|here]]''', noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time. |
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=== Background === |
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On April 8th, 2018, an [[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)/RfC: Ending the system of portals|RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace]]. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals. |
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There's an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2018-05-24/WikiProject report|article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject]]. |
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Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals. |
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The Advertiser ?
[edit]Could someone with access sort out the bare URL ref https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/subscribe/news/1/?sourceCode=AAWEB_WRE170_a_GGL&dest=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.adelaidenow.com.au%2Fdelicious-sa%2Fgreat-taste-zero-waste-at-the-ports-newest-cafe%2Fnews-story%2F56d8179ad393f2abe14e21e7ce13ab98&memtype=anonymous&mode=premium which appears in Port Adelaide? It was added by an IP. Or perhaps the whole sentence should just be removed? PamD 13:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
Project-independent quality assessments
[edit]Quality assessments are used by Wikipedia editors to rate the quality of articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Wikipedia:Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a |class= parameter to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, which can display a general quality assessment, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.
No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.
However, if your project decides to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:38, 9 April 2023 (UTC)
- Is it possible to speak to some-one in Adelaide about editing Wikipedia ?
- regards margesson Margesson (talk) 11:45, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Memorial Drive Park#Requested move 31 August 2024
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There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Memorial Drive Park#Requested move 31 August 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans 16:45, 8 September 2024 (UTC)