Talk:Nagorno-Karabakh

One-sided intro

The intro mentions Armenian conflictuous acts, but nothing on the Azerbaijani side. It would be more neutral to describe the (purported) reasons for those Armenian acts, labelling disputed "facts" as such where needed. That would at least remove the current impression of repeated sudden unprovoked aggression from one side against a purely victim peaceful other side. 178.237.74.251 (talk) 10:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 September 2023

Change the misspelling of “betweeen” to “between” in the first paragraph 2601:19C:4380:52B0:48FF:8D02:6906:976A (talk) 22:59, 27 September 2023 (UTC)

 Done ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 02:22, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

whoops, that seems like my bad. Sorry! Remsense (talk) 03:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC)

Disputed status of Nagorno-Karabakh

I want to raise a question on the status of the territory. Why is Nagorno-Karabakh still considered a disputed territory?

1. The UN recognizes it as a sovereign part of Azerbaijan
2. Armenia officially recognizes it as a sovereign part of Azerbaijan
3. The separatist government of the Republic of Artsakh dissolved itself by the official decree
4. There is no de-facto presence of the separatist government in the region and the central government of Azerbaijan controls the entire territory since the end of September 2023.

Isn't it the right time to adjust the wording of the article accordingly? KHE'O (talk) 20:56, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

The government of the RoA has not technically dissolved itself yet, it declared that it would dissolve by Jan 1 2024. It's not known yet exactly how many Armenians are left in NK (last credible report stated 50-1,000 but that's probably different now). It may be time to update the status though, I agree. Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 21:03, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Point of order but do we know that Armenia recognizes it as part of Azerbaijan? They have no formal relations, so absent an affirmative statement, we can't assume they recognize anything about Azerbaijan. --Golbez (talk) 21:24, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

This is also true. They've never formally recognized the Artsakh government, but de facto they have for a long time (given how much military aid they've provided, the blurring of lines between governments via politicians holding office in both governments, etc). I think we need to wait for more verified information before definitively changing the status to avoid WP:OR. Sawyer-mcdonell (talk) 21:28, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, not recognizing Artsakh over the area is not the same as recognizing Azerbaijan over the area. --Golbez (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources still describe it as disputed. TagaworShah (talk) 21:35, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources can be out of date, and we don't have to parrot them when that can be demonstrated. --Golbez (talk) 22:22, 11 October 2023 (UTC)

In fact, the prime minister of Armenia officially recognized Azerbaijan's sovereignty over 86,600 sq km of territory which includes Nagorno-Karabakh in the Prague summit in October 2022 and the Brussels summit in May 2023. He even later at his speech at the Armenian parliament explicitly stated that the recognized territory of Azerbaijan includes Nagorno-Karabakh. KHE'O (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2023 (UTC)

Since it has been more than three weeks from the last comment in this discussion, should we request a close? KHE'O (talk) 16:19, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think Nagorno-Karabakh could be considered a disputed territory anymore. If it is disputed, then who disputes it? Armenia officially recognizes Karabakh as part of Azerbaijan, and NKR has been dissolved. And previously, no country in the world has ever recognized NK as being independent from Azerbaijan, and 4 UNSC resolutions refer to NK as Azerbaijan's region. So I support removing the word "disputed" from this and other articles. Grandmaster 11:10, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes and Armenia's recognition of Azerbaijani sovereignity is a major indicator. If there are further objections, we can ask for further opinion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject History or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history, but currently I don't think it's necessary. Brandmeister^talk 21:28, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

References

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 October 2023

Turn the sub-section "Azerbaijani offensive (2023)" which has "History" as the section inside it into a sub-sub-section of "History" and a sub-section of "Blockade (2022–present)" Equalwidth (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 01:44, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Now I have EC rights so I can make the change I wanted to make. Equalwidth (C) 07:49, 3 December 2023 (UTC)