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A resource for political actions, in addition to normal history sources, is the page facimilies of the ''Statutes at Large'' volumes available at the Library of Congress. I took dates from there for statehood. I don't know what other sources say. The second Congress did not convene until the Autumn of 1791. [[User:BobCMU76|BobCMU76]] 12:12 May 11, 2003 (UTC) |
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* [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject U.S. Congress/Bioguide]]: Talk page for the Biographical Directory of the United States Congress. |
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== Tracking recent changes == |
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The pages for each Congress should mention promimently when the Congress sat. I would suggest at the top of the page. [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] 22:52 May 12, 2003 (UTC) |
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:The session dates are available [http://www.senate.gov/reference/congresses1.pdf here]. Locations are not shown, The third session of the first congress met in Phila. I believe the second session of the sixth congress first met in D.C. [[User:BobCMU76|BobCMU76]] 11:41 May 14, 2003 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Isaac Charles Parker#Requested move 1 June 2024]] == |
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: [http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/congresses2.pdf This document] from the Congressional Record lists Congresses, sessions, dates of convening and adjournment, length (in days), President Pro Tem, and Speaker through the convening of Congress in January 2003. It states that Congress met for the first and second sessions of the First Congress (1789 and 1790) in New York City, from the third session of the First Congress through the first session of the Sixth Congress (1790 to 1800) in Philadelphia, and, since the second session of the Sixth Congress (1800), in Washington DC. As an aside, I think using numerals rather than spelled-out numbers (107th Congress, not One Hundred Seventh Congress) would be far easier to read (with redirects based on the spelled-out versions), and also would reflect longstanding practice. This style is used by both houses of Congress. [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 13:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Isaac Charles Parker#Requested move 1 June 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:SafariScribe|Safari Scribe]]</span><sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/SafariScribe|'''''Edits!''''']] [[User talk:SafariScribe|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 16:10, 9 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician)#Requested move 20 July 2024]] == |
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: I've assigned myself the task of adding the dates for each session of Congress, along with the location, to each individual Congress's page, using the format I found at the First Congress as an example. I noted on the page for the Sixth that it was the first to have a session in Washington, and on the page for the Seventh that it was the first to meet 'only' in Washington. For subsequent Congresses I will simply include Washington as the location. [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 22:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician)#Requested move 20 July 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Векочел|Векочел]] ([[User talk:Векочел|talk]]) 18:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== [[:Martin van Buren]] has an [[WP:RFC|RfC]]== |
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== session dates vs. period served == |
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<div class="floatleft" style="margin-bottom:0">[[File:Ambox warning orange.svg|48px|alt=|link=]]</div>'''[[:Martin van Buren]]''' has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the '''[[Talk:Martin Van Buren#Rfc for Martin van Buren's Lede Image|discussion page]]'''.<!-- Template:Rfc notice--> Thank you. [[User:Emiya1980|Emiya1980]] ([[User talk:Emiya1980|talk]]) 01:54, 10 August 2024 (UTC) |
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OK, I'm a little confused about how to describe the dates that a member of Congress served, particularly for pre-1934 Congesses. The Biographical Directory of the U.S. Congress seems to do it two ways. For example, I'm looking at the entry for Lucius Lyon. Here [http://bioguide.congress.gov/biosearch/biosearch1.asp] the 23rd Congress is listed as 1833-1834. But here [http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=L000544] the dates are given as March 4, 1833-March 3, 1835. So should I write that he served from 1833-1834 or from 1833-1835? I suppose I could include the exact dates, but that seems to me a bit tedious for persons elected to multiple terms. |
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[[User:Bkonrad|Bkonrad]] | [[User talk:Bkonrad|Talk]] 16:23, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC) |
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== FAR for Thomas C. Hindman == |
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:The bioguide simplifies things because, today, congresses begin and end on January 3. In the past, it was early March. When it says the 23rd congress is 1833-1834, it means March 1833-March 1835. He should certainly be listed as serving from 33 to 35. Personally, I don't think exact dates are needed unless the person started or ended their term at a date other than the proper start-end date, like if they resigned, died, appointed or contested the election. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 14:46, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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I have nominated [[Thomas C. Hindman]] for a [[Wikipedia:Featured article review/Thomas C. Hindman/archive1|featured article review here]]. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the [[Wikipedia:What is a featured article?|featured article criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured article review|here]].<!--Template:FARMessage--> [[User:Hog Farm|Hog Farm]] <sub> ''[[User talk:Hog Farm|Talk]]''</sub> 01:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC) |
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== Tables == |
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I've joined this because of the work I've been doing on the tables of state delegations; good examples at [[US Congressional Delegations from Kentucky]] and [[US Congressional Delegations from Florida]]. These could be a very useful cross-reference tool. These list who served in what congress from a particular state; the #th Congress articles list who served from what state in a particular congress. --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 14:46, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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== Good article reassessment for [[Joseph McCarthy]] == |
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== Congregator == |
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[[Joseph McCarthy]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Joseph McCarthy/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 02:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC) |
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I've been playing around with a program I wrote (called congregator) to extract data from pages at [http://bioguide.congress.gov/biosearch/biosearch.asp]. I created a page for the [[Thirty-second_United_States_Congress]] as a trial run and then went through and checked the links. More to come.[[User:K4 pacific|K4 pacific]] 03:23, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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== Good article reassessment for [[Dick Cheney]] == |
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:Be warned - the BioGuide's database is sometimes wrong. I typically run into 1-2 errors per state, where it lists someone in the wrong congress, or doesn't list them in the proper congress. (The bios themselves are fine, but the database linking them together is not) --[[User:Golbez|Golbez]] 05:24, Aug 28, 2004 (UTC) |
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[[Dick Cheney]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Dick Cheney/1|reassessment page]]. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. [[User:Z1720|Z1720]] ([[User talk:Z1720|talk]]) 22:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Requested move at [[Talk:Expectation of privacy (United States)#Requested move 25 November 2024]] == |
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::Actually, I've found that the bios are not 100% reliable either. Usually just small errors, but enough to make double-checking things worthwhile. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 11:36, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC) PS, re: K4 pacific's program--I think it's great--just add a note at the top that the data was automatically extracted and needs to be verified. {{User:Bkonrad/sig}} 11:39, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC) |
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[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Expectation of privacy (United States)#Requested move 25 November 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User talk:Reading Beans|<span style="color:#333">'''Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia'''</span>]] 02:33, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Your script is linking to the Georgia disambiguation page, no the state. I have fixed the [[Thirty-second_United_States_Congress]] page, but your script needs tweaking. [[User:Susvolans|Susvolans]] 13:00, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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::Thanks. I'll look into it. I haven't done any besides [[Thirty-second_United_States_Congress]] and [[Ninety-eighth_United_States_Congress]] yet because I am working on a way to automatically verify the links. [[User:K4 pacific|K4 pacific]] 14:03, 3 Sep 2004 (UTC) |
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== Articles about congresional districts == |
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Not sure if anyone is still watching this project or not. I'd like to start making articles about Michigan's congressional districts, describing some history and listing representatives from the districts. If possible, I'd like to get maps showing the area represented after each redistricting (although that would require some digging). I'm just wondering if anyone has already tried anything similar and I'm also looking for naming suggestions. I was thinking of [[First Congressional District of Michigan]], but I see there are some other variations under [[:Category:U.S. Congressional districts]]. Such as [[North Carolina congressional districts]] (only lists current districts), [[United States House of Representatives, Texas District 1]], [[1st Congressional District of Kansas]] and [[First Congressional District of Hawaii]]. Personally, I think the last naming form is clearest, but curious if anyone else has thoughts about this. [[User:Bkonrad|older]]<font color=blue>'''≠'''</font>[[User talk:Bkonrad|wiser]] 19:49, Feb 9, 2005 (UTC) |
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: Ordinal number first has my vote, for what that's worth (10th Congressional District of Maryland). I think it's easier to read in a list than the spelled-out version would be (Twenty-ninth vs 29th). I just looked at the web pages for 20 House members; roughly 3 in 4 use the equivalent of "3rd" rather than "third" on the home page; at least one of those who spell out the name also uses the numeral elsewhere on the member's site -- "Congressman Wombat of the Ninth District... voters in the 9th District." [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 13:06, 10 August 2005 (UTC) |
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== Seventy-first United States Congress? == |
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Is this article correct? [[Seventy-first United States Congress]]? It doesn't look right. Can someone working on this project please fix it? thanks :) [[User:Kingturtle|Kingturtle]] 07:17, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC) |
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:Can you be more specific? I went to the page and added dates for all three sessions, a little project I've assigned myself (dates from the Congressional Record). I did not try to verify names of leaders, though I see the page does not mention President Pro Tem of the Senate (as opposed to the majority leader). [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 14:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC) |
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== i could help this project == |
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i saw the congress pages on the most linked to and nonexistant wikipages list, so i added to the [[91st United States Congress]] and created the [[90th United States Congress]]. all i planned on doing (''for now'') was copying, pasting, and wiki'ng info from [http://clerk.house.gov/histHigh/Congressional_History/index.html house.gov]. then i saw that there was a project for these pages. with "your" OK, i will continue to do so for the remaining missing congress pages, and formatting to any style that you planned on using.<br> |
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- [[User:Somedude|Somedude]] 01:41, 2005 Mar 25 (UTC) |
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: Following Somedude's lead, I've been putting specific dates for sessions (see note above). [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 22:50, 11 August 2005 (UTC) |
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== Thomas Project == |
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I think you should have every page link to the Thomas Project ([http://thomas.loc.gov/]) where possible. This is a service of Congress has lists of all Bills passed by each Congress since the 93rd (e.g. [http://thomas.loc.gov/bss/d093/d093laws.html] etc).[[User:Chrisjwmartin|Chris Martin]] 16:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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== Looks bad == |
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I SPENT HOURS ON THOSE SENATE LISTS AND I HAVE IT MESSED UP! I HAVE SAID TIME AND TIME AGAIN THAT IF YOU MESS WITH THOSE LISTS IT LOOKS LIKE CRAP! AND IT DOES LOOK LIKE CRAP, It does not look neat! --[[User:Jack Cox|Jack Cox]] 21:08, 1 September 2005 (UTC) |
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: You are so... right. Yeah. I messed them up. Sorry. They do look bad. |
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: So I've since tried to clean them up. |
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: * I put in "nowrap"s in the columns, |
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: * I eliminated the (D), (R), (I) abbreviations because they take up unnecessary space since the colors already indicate party |
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: * Changed "Members of the XXXth Congress" to "United States Senators in the XXXth Congress" because the Senate is a continuous body unlike the House. |
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: I made these changes to the 105th through 109th("Current") templates for your perusal. |
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: What do you think? |
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: --[[User:Markles|Markles]] 00:42, 2 September 2005 (UTC) |
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:Bless you for using cellpadding! I have been working through the individual Congresses, adding session dates and adding or adjusting the previous/next navigation (the one at the bottom of the page, under External Links), giving it cellpadding of 6. Re Senators: while I agree the Senate is a continuous body in that the terms of office for its members extend through three congresses, the Senate is a ''part'' of Congress and thus subordinate to the entity as a whole. Senator Byrd of W. Va., for example, is very much a member of the 109th Congress, as he was of the 108th, 107th, 106th, etc., etc. So I'd go for the simpler "Members of the XXth Congress" label for both houses. [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 22:55, September 8, 2005 (UTC) |
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== Categories == |
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The use of the 'catch all' category '''Members of the U.S. House of Representatives''' for individual members is just not workable. There is some work that is breaking former members out by state. And there are two forms in use: '''U.S. Representatives from Missouri''' and '''Members of the U.S. House from Maryland'''. We ought to strive for some consistency. So, just edit the proposal, and add any comments after it. Thanks, [[User:LouI|Lou I]] 12:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC) |
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===Proposed categories === |
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#Each state should hacve a category for current and former House members, in the form of '''U.S. Representatives from Statename'''. Each category should have a parent category entry of <nowiki>[[Category:Members of the U.S. House of Representatives| ]]</nowiki>. |
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#An additional category should be reserved and used for current house members, such as '''U.S. House Members''' |
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===discussion === |
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====House ==== |
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The use of a blank in the parent category entry will force all 'subcategories' to the first page of the now massive Members. Once we get the list down to a workable size (none), we cabn reinsert the state names to get headings/toc entries. [[User:LouI|Lou I]] 12:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC) |
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:I think U.S. Representatives from State goes better with U.S. Senators from State, as many senators were also representatives at one point. --<font size="2" face="garamond" color="#3979BF">[[user:tomf688|tomf688]]</font><sup><[[User talk:Tomf688|TALK]]></sup> 00:11, September 8, 2005 (UTC) |
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====Senate ==== |
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We '''could''' continue a single category for the members of the U.S. Senate. The list is not so large as to make this unworkable, but I prefer the [[:Category:U.S. Senators from Foo]] by state. [[User:LouI|Lou I]] 12:30, 5 September 2005 (UTC) |
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===Both=== |
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People will want to view these things several ways: members of either body by party (especially after the 25th Congress or so), members by State (= state delegations). Is there an option for some sort of database from which the information can be pulled? If so, then the "XXth Congress" page could have links for "House membership by state" (with parties indicated), "House membership by party" (with state indicated). It seems counterproductive to clutter up the "Congress page" with a huge list of names when the accomplishments (or failures) of the Congress are more pertinent, as long as there's an easy way to find out who the participants/culprits were. The 108th Congress has four lines for legislation out of info that 'print preview' says would chew up 28 pages. Isn't this what hyperlinks are all about? Or am I misundestanding something? [[User:OtherDave|OtherDave]] 22:55, September 8, 2005 (UTC) |
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:Removing the list to its own article make sense.What does anyone else think? [[User:LouI|Lou I]] 12:22, 27 September 2005 (UTC) |
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==To do== |
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:#. Please add all Senators and the Congresses they were in. See article [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ernest_Hollings&oldid=24695553 Old version of Ernest Hollings article]] for an example.<br> |
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:#. Create more boxes for Governors.<br> |
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:#. Would like to know about possibility for adding Categories about what Congresses the Senators or Reps were in so that we can make a list for example |
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::Category:Senators in the 108th Congress<Br> |
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::Category:Representatives in the 108th Congress |
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::[[User:Jack Cox|Jack Cox]] 12:50, 4 October 2005 (UTC) |
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:::I disagree. |
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::#Adding ''all Senators and the Congresses they were in'' will create excessive clutter. It's interesting information, but too much for the articles. See ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ernest_Hollings&oldid=24695553 Old version of Ernest Hollings article]''. |
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::# Governors shouldn't be included in a project regarding the U.S. Congress, as they aren't ''in'' the U.S. Congress. |
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::# Categories aren't intended to be lists. See ''[[Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and series boxes]]''. |
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:::Perhaps this could have some discussion. |
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:::--[[User:Markles|Markles]] 16:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Individual Member Categories == |
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Current use of categories for individual members: |
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* The votes from CFD and renaming is now completed for <nowiki>[[Category:United States Senators from Foo]]</nowiki>. The U.S. Representatives category vote failed to reach concensus in any particular version of category name. |
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*I have created a sample of a category heading for House members, at [[:Category:U.S. Representatives from Kentucky]]. Please comment or edit it. After a pause for comments, I plan to duplicate this across the states, and for the senators as well. |
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*Thinking about this also raised a question about the delegations articles. In the current use most states have two articles: the [[U.S. Congressional Delegations from Kentucky]] and the [[List of United States Senators from Kentucky]]. I'd like to suggest that we remove sanators from the delegation detail, leaving a note and link to the Senate list in the house (delegations) article. |
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*[[U.S. Congressional Delegations from New York]] has a Senate section that uses a column form to present both 'Classes' of Senator in a single table. I'd also like to suggest that our ''List of Senators from xx'' use a similar format, but with the congress and dates link first, then the two classes as the second and third column. Comments? |
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*If we do this, what about the few articles like [[List of United States Senators from Delaware]] that contain aditional information? |
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*There are also a couple of clean up details, such as [[List of United States Senators from Kansas]], which is a redirect to the delegations page. |
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*In the wishful thinking department, I wish I could think of a better way to present the table of representatives by date/district some way that didn't scroll off the page to the right. Maybe something like a spreadsheet that keeps the first (date) column but hides the next 10, letting me see districts 11-15. Any suggestions are welcome... |
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*After the pause for comments, I'll add a summary of the layout for individual member usage to the project page. |
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Thanks for your consideration, and intersperse comments above, or use my talk page [[User:LouI|Lou I]] 17:18, 16 October 2005 (UTC) [[User_talk:LouI|talk]] |
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Tracking recent changes[edit]Some of the best pages to track are trackable via your favorite RSS or atom reader. See Wikipedia:Syndication. Requested move at Talk:Isaac Charles Parker#Requested move 1 June 2024[edit] Requested move at Talk:Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician)#Requested move 20 July 2024[edit]Martin van Buren has an RfC[edit] FAR for Thomas C. Hindman[edit]I have nominated Thomas C. Hindman for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Hog Farm Talk 01:05, 12 August 2024 (UTC) Good article reassessment for Joseph McCarthy[edit]Joseph McCarthy has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 02:13, 14 November 2024 (UTC) Good article reassessment for Dick Cheney[edit]Dick Cheney has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 22:37, 21 November 2024 (UTC) Requested move at Talk:Expectation of privacy (United States)#Requested move 25 November 2024[edit] | ||||||||||||||||||
