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At what point do we

change "forthcoming" to "planned"? It's been forthcoming for 14 years now... SFandLogicReader (talk) 12:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No answer, so, Done!

86.31.178.164 (talk) 12:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Discourse/Fan relationship

Potentially we could add a little tidbit about fans frustration and speculation about his hiatuses and release dates of winds of winter. Xoxo 49.224.201.10 (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah that sounds pretty smart 49.224.201.10 (talk) 04:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== At what point do we ==
-== The writing history is getting ridiculously long ==
-It’s several screens on my iPad. We’re not talking about the novel of the century here. [[Special:Contributions/82.36.70.45|82.36.70.45]] ([[User talk:82.36.70.45|talk]]) 19:34, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
+change "forthcoming" to "planned"? It's been forthcoming for 14 years now... [[User:SFandLogicReader|SFandLogicReader]] ([[User talk:SFandLogicReader|talk]]) 12:00, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
+::No answer, so, Done!
-:we might be...... [[Special:Contributions/80.189.136.3|80.189.136.3]] ([[User talk:80.189.136.3|talk]]) 17:57, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
-::Nah. [[Special:Contributions/86.31.178.164|86.31.178.164]] ([[User talk:86.31.178.164|talk]]) 13:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
+:[[Special:Contributions/86.31.178.164|86.31.178.164]] ([[User talk:86.31.178.164|talk]]) 12:33, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
-:::I think by "novel of the century" the commenter above you meant "a novel that takes a century to write"! I think they may be too optimistic, too! [[User:The andf|The andf]] ([[User talk:The andf|talk]]) 21:11, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
+== Discourse/Fan relationship ==
-== Summer vacation 2012 due as part of writing history?  ==
-{{Archive top green|status=|result=I am closing this discussion as a result of {{np|Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan}} being blocked as a confirmed sock of {{np|Raxythecat}}. Editors who are confirmed by a CheckUser to have engaged in sockpuppetry on at least two occasions after an initial indefinite block that is active, for any reason, are to be considered [[WP:BAN|site banned]] by the Wikipedia community. If someone wants to start a new discussion on this matter, please feel free to open a new section.[[User:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:blue"> ''Isaidnoway'' </b>]][[User talk:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:#03B54F">''(talk)''</b>]] 11:29, 8 May 2024 (UTC)}}
-I removed a touch of trivia - that GRRM didn't work on the novel while attending conferences in 2012. This has been readded by [[User:Isaidnoway]] who seemingly finds it nontrivial and a part of the books history. I'd like to remove it again and would like opinions [[User:Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan|Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan]] ([[User talk:Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan|talk]]) 21:54, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
+Potentially we could add a little tidbit about fans frustration and speculation about his hiatuses and release dates of winds of winter. Xoxo [[Special:Contributions/49.224.201.10|49.224.201.10]] ([[User talk:49.224.201.10|talk]]) 04:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
-:I agree that it's trivial and support removing it. ~Cheers, [[User:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Ten</span>]][[User talk:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:MediumSeaGreen;">Ton</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkSeaGreen;">Parasol</span>]] 22:24, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
-:It is relevant to the {{tq|books history}}, it provides context and an explanation during that timeframe as to why the book has been "delayed several times", which is mentioned in the lead. As GRRM is quoted in the source you removed from the article - {{!xt|I mean the more I tour the less I write. On one hand I got the mob out the front with pitchforks and torches who want me chained to this desk writing, then I got the people who want me to come to a store near them to sign their book}}. The delay of the book itself is notable, and it is not trivial to include content that explains why. It's also mentioned here - [https://www.theringer.com/game-of-thrones/2018/6/14/17462698/george-r-r-martin-winds-of-winter-timeline Martin says that he’d get back to writing The Winds of Winter at the start of 2012 once the publicity cycle for A Dance With Dragons winds down]. In fact, there are several articles talking about the delay of the book [https://www.cbr.com/game-of-thrones-winds-of-winter-release-date-delays-explained/], [https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/books/a39875481/george-rr-martin-winds-of-winter-finishing-update/], [https://www.businessinsider.com/winds-of-winter-release-date-george-rr-martin-updates-timeline-2023-7], [https://theweek.com/feature/briefing/1022767/a-complete-timeline-of-george-rr-martins-progress-on-the-winds-of-winter], [https://gizmodo.com/george-r-r-martin-winds-of-winter-updates-2011-2022-1849430570], [https://www.gamespot.com/articles/after-delaying-next-game-of-thrones-book-george-rr/1100-6433499/] and it would probably be DUE to include a small section for that aspect on the {{tq|books history}}.[[User:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:blue"> ''Isaidnoway'' </b>]][[User talk:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:black">''(talk)''</b>]] 01:33, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
-::There are already sourced descriptions of large nontrivial delays already. It's ok for authors to take vacations, and it isn't historic. [[User:Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan|Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan]] ([[User talk:Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan|talk]]) 02:13, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
-:::Books signings and attending conventions isn't taking a vacation, it is standard practice for authors to promote their work, and is expected from them from the publishing company. It's no different than actors promoting a movie/TV show on late night shows, it is expected of them. The obvious difference here being the historic delay in this book getting written, and as previously mentioned, the content in question provides context and an explanation during that timeframe.[[User:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:blue"> ''Isaidnoway'' </b>]][[User talk:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:black">''(talk)''</b>]] 08:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
-::::He does a lot of stuff and works on a lot of projects. Anytime he isn't working on The Winds of Winter, it isn't history. Its trivia. The entire history section should be condensed to one or two paragraphs. [[User:Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan|Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan]] ([[User talk:Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan|talk]]) 14:50, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
-::Well, when you put it THAT way. I don't think EVERY rationale for every delay on this book is notable—we don't need to explain every single delay—but that particular quote and context relating to ADWD seems like decent enough for inclusion because it's nearer to the beginning of the book's writing history. But, the quote you just included wasn't in the removed portion. I think a contextless "because he spent time on tour and at conventions" is trivial. Couching it in "He wanted to get back to it after the publicity cycle died down" and the thing about finding writing and fan events conflict with one another does belong in the "Writing history" section (but not "Chapters", from where the removal is.) ~Cheers, [[User:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">Ten</span>]][[User talk:TenTonParasol|<span style="color:MediumSeaGreen;">Ton</span>]][[Special:Contributions/TenTonParasol|<span style="color:DarkSeaGreen;">Parasol</span>]] 02:17, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
-:::I'm not opposed to expanding his rationale and moving it to a different section.[[User:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:blue"> ''Isaidnoway'' </b>]][[User talk:Isaidnoway|<b style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:black">''(talk)''</b>]] 08:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
-*'''Checkuser note'''  {{np|Joey Dickinson the Game of Thrones Ultrafan}} has been blocked as a confirmed sock of {{np|Raxythecat}}.-- [[User:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">'''Ponyo'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Ponyo|<span style="color: Navy;">''bons mots''</span>]]</sup> 16:19, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
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+:Yeah that sounds pretty smart [[Special:Contributions/49.224.201.10|49.224.201.10]] ([[User talk:49.224.201.10|talk]]) 04:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
-== He lied ==
-Are we allowed to state that "he lied about his progress" when that's demonstrably true? [[User:SlapperDapper|SlapperDapper]] ([[User talk:SlapperDapper|talk]]) 22:53, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
-:How so? I've been saying for years that he's probably never going to finish it and that if he does it's not going to be the book of the century, but I don't know that he lied. And even if he did, in Wikipedia you need reliable sources saying so. Cheers. [[Special:Contributions/86.31.178.164|86.31.178.164]] ([[User talk:86.31.178.164|talk]]) 15:09, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
-:In what way is it demonstrably true? — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>]])''</sup> 15:17, 9 July 2024 (UTC)
-== No updates for 2024? ==
-We are already in mid-July and 2024 is the only year since 2010 for which there is no update in the article. Please add something. [[Special:Contributions/86.31.178.164|86.31.178.164]] ([[User talk:86.31.178.164|talk]]) 13:15, 16 July 2024 (UTC)