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== Nonsense ==
== Health issues ? ==
The "Yogi Mantle" section that mentioned a 'bear documentary' (as well as a homosexual innuendo) was not only unsourced, but completely innappropriate. I also couldn't find a single independent article or reference to support these claims either. Deleted.
[[user:Wolf|Wolf]] about 4:00 pm EST, 2011/12/28


To my knowledge, Cussler has not appeared/'held' any book signings since mid-to-late 2016. At one of the last ones I attended in late 2015 / early 2016, it seemed/appeared to me that he had a little difficulty 'getting with the flow' at the start of the book signing session, but seemed to improve at time passed.


'Normally,' when a new book comes out, a local (Scottsdale, AZ) bookstore holds a signing/release 'party', but it hasn't held one in over a year and there have been at least three books released.


Though he's not a spring chicken, I'm curious if there might be a medical reason why he has not made any public appearances in over a year.
== Eagle Scout ==
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The Eagle Scout category was added by [[User:136.182.2.221]] on 6 Jul 2006. I cannot verify that Cussler is an Eagle Scout. If there is no verification, I am going to remove the category soon. --[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850 ( Ed)]] 17:47, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


Also, would this be article-worthy? [[Special:Contributions/2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D|2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D]] ([[User talk:2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D|talk]]) 03:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
The Eagle Scout category has been removed. If there is any verification that Cussler is an Eagle, please restore the category. --[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850 ( Ed)]] 19:54, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
:he was and it states it in the book: clive cussler and dirk pitt reavled [[User:Razor romance|Razor romance]] 14:57, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


== Photo in Infobox ==
Please do more than add a category link to the page. If you are going to add a category you should also add a short sentence to the biography section. Please be sure to cite your source in the Notes section!--[[User:Ulysses411|Ulysses411]] 22:54, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


Can someone, '''please''', get a better photo/pic of Clive ? ? ? [[Special:Contributions/2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D|2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D]] ([[User talk:2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D|talk]]) 01:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
Removed Eagle Scout category again.-[[User:Phips|Phips]] ([[User talk:Phips|talk]]) 21:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:This is a stale discussion, Razor romance established it above. [[User:Kintetsubuffalo|Chris (クリス • フィッチ)]] ([[User talk:Kintetsubuffalo|talk]]) 22:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


: I added to wikimedia commons a picture of Cussler I took in 2004 when he came to Paris. The quality is not good, but maybe it's good enough for a thumbnail? I let you choose if it's better than the current photo or not : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clive_Cussler_2004.jpg --[[User:Frédéric Neupont|Frédéric Neupont]] ([[User talk:Frédéric Neupont|talk]]) 10:13, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
== Ship find verification ==


::Wiki image policy confuses the hell out me, but I found this one from 2005 in the Guardian's obituary, so I assume that qualifies as being in the public domain. https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2c0958ad819673c7a47d5d4cfdb99f2432d8e291/0_0_3008_1806/master/3008.jpg?width=1920&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=b1d11a46ac91277e9d8f5c3c1193c9a0 [[User:Douts|douts]] ([[User talk:Douts|talk]]) 15:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
I've started adding information on Cussler's shipwreck finds to the respective articles, each with a link to the NUMA webpage that describes it. The NUMA site doesn't meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability, though, so I'm forced to couch the info in language like "Cussler claims...." Help verifying this stuff would be appreciated. [[User:Jhf|jhf]] 07:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


== THE HUNLEY ==
== Tone & NPOV ==


Goodness, but this sounds flak or fan-written. Encyclopedia articles not only should, but must, list accomplishments and acclaim when it is significant. Significance has to be assessed on scarcity at the time (how uncommon was it to win this placement/prize compared to how many ''sought'' it? (aka "competitive")) and repute inside a field and outside of a field (e.g. everyone reports on a Nobel or Field medal win; a top honor from the IEEE may not be as reported/famous outside of electrical engineers, but it would be very significant within).
I am currently eading RAISING THE HUNLEY and it is stated that the CSS HUNLEY is a misnomer as the ship was built as a privaterr, and was never commissioned.


What isn't of particular significance ''these days,'' in particular, is achieving any best seller/top 40 list. These things matter in a way, but this is predicated on the ''ad populis'' notion that the opinion of the masses is an assessment of value (the Ford F-150 is the #1 selling truck in the USA for decades; is it the best truck? is it the most affordable? is it the most available?).
[[User:Racefan 72001|Racefan 72001]] 16:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)Racefan 72001


Anecdotes of the early married life? The "struggles?" These are celebrations. Again, there is absolutely ''nothing wrong'' with such language in a public relations or advertising copy, but it adds bulk to an encyclopedia article without helping with an encyclopedia article's ''purpose.''
Thats correct. [[User:Splamo|Splamo]] 01:01, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
1. Why is this person important to others?
2. Why is this person important to me?
3. How did this person, who is/was just a normal human, become important?
4. What substantial effects are left by the passage of this individual (in the case of a bio. piece)?


There is a lot of admiration that needs to be trimmed.
== Copyright Issues ==
[[User:Hithladaeus|Hithladaeus]] ([[User talk:Hithladaeus|talk]]) 12:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)


== my coomments ==
Either this page is in violation, or the linked page below is in violation:


I’m said for his passing. Loved his stories [[Special:Contributions/2601:18C:CF7F:5100:E5DA:D11B:14D5:14|2601:18C:CF7F:5100:E5DA:D11B:14D5:14]] ([[User talk:2601:18C:CF7F:5100:E5DA:D11B:14D5:14|talk]]) 20:23, 29 October 2023 (UTC)
http://www.bookreporter.com/authors/au-cussler-clive.asp<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:75.73.166.63|75.73.166.63]] ([[User talk:75.73.166.63|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/75.73.166.63|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->


== Symbols ==
It indeed is almost certain that this article was copied from the copyrighted bookreporter.com site, so I have deleted the offending material. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. -- '''<font color="navy">[[User talk:Dalbury|Donald Albury]]</font>''' 23:34, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


The book lists have lots of symbols — *, †, ††, § etc. I assume that they indicate the various co-authors, but there is no key — [[User:GhostInTheMachine|GhostInTheMachine]] <sup>[[User talk:GhostInTheMachine|talk to me]]</sup> 20:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
== Birthplace ==


== Self-referential links ==
There seems to be just about equal representation on the web that place Clive Cussler's birthplace either in Aurora, Illinois or in Alhambra California. It seems likely to me that the articles referencing Alhambra mistakenly placed his birthplace there because he mentions that he grew up there as a boy. I decided on a couple of websites to reference that place his birthplace in Illinois though they are far from definitive. --[[User:Ulysses411|Ulysses411]] 00:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)


In the section "Fargo Adventures" most of the links refer back to the section head; there are no articles about the books. Is there any legitimate reason for this, or shall I delete these links? [[User:J S Ayer|J S Ayer]] ([[User talk:J S Ayer|talk]]) 01:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
Per his bio (see below), it is Aurora, Illinois. --[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850 ( Ed)]] 01:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Number of grandchildren ==

User 67.176.43.187 changed the number of grandchildren from 2 to 4 but did not cite a source. Does anyome know of a source for this information?
--[[User:Ulysses411|Ulysses411]] 23:53, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Clive Cussler and Dirk Pitt Revealed ==

''Clive Cussler and Dirk Pitt Revealed'' is mentioned in the bibliography twice, but is never used as a reference. ''Revealed'' has a lot of valuable information- his place of birth is Aurora, Illinois and he is and Eagle Scout. My interests here are quite narrow and I have other tasks. --[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850 ( Ed)]] 01:18, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Life imitating art ==

The paragraph starting ''"Cussler's work in marine exploration has often raised eyebrows and tempers alike..."'' (at least in [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Clive_Cussler&oldid=205554767 this edit] ), seems to me to be filled with [[Wikipedia:Avoid weasel words | weasel words]] and internal contradictions. There may be some truth to it but it at least needs a rewrite. I almost deleted outright as per the biography template (top of this page) but wasn't feeling very bold today. [[User:DJBarney24|DJ Barney]] ([[User talk:DJBarney24|talk]]) 11:49, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

== Cinematization of ''Oregon Files'' ==

A trailer has been produced in an effort to bring cussler's 'Oregon Files' to the small screen.
http://www.fightscameraaction.com/play.php?vid=93
not much exists other than this link on the web but http://www.oakoconnor.com/iWeb/oakoconnor.com/Oregon%20Files.html has some information about the production.

there is a video somewhere on youtube with both Cussler and Daniel Tibbets (exec producer for the series) but the link has been lost. -- <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.196.142.91|94.196.142.91]] ([[User talk:94.196.142.91|talk]]) 12:20, 20 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP -->

== The section: Novels featuring Pitt's children ==

The novels listed are a repeat of the last five novels listed in the previous section. Could possibly be listed in the section above, as is, but with a note mentioning that they feature his children, rather than being a seperate section, repeating already listed titles. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:NMackay|NMackay]] ([[User talk:NMackay|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/NMackay|contribs]]) 06:12, 7 February 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Crusader lawsuit ==

What about a mention to the California Appeals Court reversing the lawsuit Crusader/Bristol Bay brought up concerning it's Sahara flop? [http://www.azcentral.com/ent/celeb/articles/2010/03/04/20100304clive-cussler-case-reversed.html] <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.64.6.26|72.64.6.26]] ([[User talk:72.64.6.26|talk]]) 09:25, 5 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Picture ==
Does anyone else think that this article needs a picture? Someone should be able to find a good CC picture of him. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:ErichSturmovik|ErichSturmovik]] ([[User talk:ErichSturmovik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ErichSturmovik|contribs]]) 21:15, 19 December 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Cinematization dispute ==

I'm going to raise this via [[WP:3]]. An unregistered individual has removed a substantial portion of the cinematization section on two occasions. It's not obvious to me that there was a violation of policies here. The IP address seems to suggest that the person who did the edits may be the very subject of the article, or someone related to him. --[[User:Itinerant1|Itinerant1]] ([[User talk:Itinerant1|talk]]) 06:18, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

:Hi, I'm a Third Opinion Wikipedian. Your request has been removed from the [[WP:3O|Third Opinion Project]] request list because the guidelines for the project limit it to disputes which have been discussed on the article talk page and have come to a standstill. Let me suggest that you take your issue to the [[WP:EAR|Editor Assistance Noticeboard]] instead. Best regards, [[User:TransporterMan|'''<font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2" color="blue">T<font size="1">RANSPORTER</font>M<font size="1">AN</font></font>''']] ([[User talk:TransporterMan#top|<font face="Trebuchet MS" size="1">TALK</font>]]) 14:44, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

== Metric System ==

I remember trying to read a copy of Inca Gold but being unable to because every distance was rendered in both English and metric units. Is this specific to that work, or does he do this in all his novels? Google suggests this wasn't specific to that edition, and I've never seen it anywhere else. --[[Special:Contributions/128.148.33.87|128.148.33.87]] ([[User talk:128.148.33.87|talk]]) 19:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

* Um... what? Could you clarify this? For example, if Cussler wrote; ''"Pitt had to walk ten miles, or sixteen kilometers, before he found the river..."''', to decribe a distance in the story, this would make the book unreadable for you? How so? Wolf ([[Special:Contributions/72.136.28.234|72.136.28.234]] ([[User talk:72.136.28.234|talk]]) 09:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC))

:: Not unreadable, but certainly ungainly, therefore IMHO not the best writing (acceptable in an encyclopedia, distracting in fiction) [[User:IdreamofJeanie|IdreamofJeanie]] ([[User talk:IdreamofJeanie|talk]]) 16:27, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

== Mistake. ==

In several books Cussler has characters lying prone and at the same time looking upwards,this is very difficult as prone means face down.If you wish to look upwards you must be supine meaning lying on your back. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.196.182.155|94.196.182.155]] ([[User talk:94.196.182.155|talk]]) 21:27, 17 August 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

* Mistake? - Could you possibly cite a book and page number for this? Your complaint is vague. It ''is'' possible for someone lying prone to look upwards, depending on the circumstances. Wolf ([[Special:Contributions/72.136.28.234|72.136.28.234]] ([[User talk:72.136.28.234|talk]]) 09:18, 1 January 2012 (UTC))

== Redlink titles ==

Visiting here after improving template {{tl|Jack Du Brul}}, I noticed three redlinks that were false negatives: titles disambiguated or spelled incorrectly. This suggests that other false redlinks remain. --[[User:P64|P64]] ([[User talk:P64|talk]]) 17:02, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

== Very rosy view ==

The article presents a very rosy view of the author.

There is no mention that a jury found he had misrepresented his readership by 250%: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/book-publishers-will-escape-legal-650628. There is no mention of the Sahara litigation which Wikipedia reports elsewhere: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara_%282005_film%29. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/23.243.71.146|23.243.71.146]] ([[User talk:23.243.71.146|talk]]) 06:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Degree ==

The claim that the author was awarded a doctorate by an accredited university for publishing a non-fiction book seems incredible. The reference given for the information is the author's own website.

However, the [http://www.albany.edu/academics/honorary.degree.shtml university web site] acknowledges the degree though not why it was granted. This would be a better source for the information.

As others have noted, this is a very upbeat article. It ignores the controversies around the author and contains no critical assessment of his work. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2605:E000:3E0B:BA00:188A:1C8B:713B:E755|2605:E000:3E0B:BA00:188A:1C8B:713B:E755]] ([[User talk:2605:E000:3E0B:BA00:188A:1C8B:713B:E755|talk]]) 05:35, 27 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

For a work of fiction it might be hard to believe, but for a non-fiction work, it's reasonable. [[Nathaniel Bowditch]] received a degree from Harvard for his book, ''The [[American Practical Navigator]]''. [[User:J S Ayer|J S Ayer]] ([[User talk:J S Ayer|talk]]) 15:47, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

== Second wife ==

In the section "Personal life," there's no mention of Cussler's second wife Janet Horvath. Why?

Granted, they've kept the date of their marriage a secret and that his kids were not in favor of it, but is that any reason not to mention her?

She was mentioned as a fiance in a 16 May 2007 article when the court battle over the "Sahara" movie ended and mentioned as his wife in a 2 June 2010 article.[[Special:Contributions/2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6]] ([[User talk:2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|talk]]) 09:16, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

== Editor of a book ==

Cussler is the "editor of record" for the book "Thriller 2: Stories You Just Can't Put Down" (506 pages) published by MIRA in 2009 (ISBN-13: 978-0-7783-2723-3) yet the book is not listed among his works. Why?

Granted, the book is a thriller anthology ("Twenty-three bestselling and hot new authors...." from the dust jacket blurb) for which Cussler also wrote the Introduction. Still, shouldn't it be listed? [[Special:Contributions/2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6]] ([[User talk:2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|talk]]) 09:34, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

== Cable TV series ==

Why no mention of the USA network / National Geographic International Television series "Clive Cussler's The Sea Hunters: True Adventures with Famous Shipwrecks"? Especially since it ran for FIVE seasons and was seen in 172 countries?

Granted, Cussler only did the episode intros and wrap-ups and James P. Delgado did the onsite "reporting," is that any reason not to mention the series?

Also, Delgado wrote a book, "Adventures of a Sea Hunter: In Search of Famous Shipwrecks" (published by Douglas & McIntyre, 2004, ISBN 1-55365-071-9; AKA "In Search of Famous Shipwrecks: Adventures of a Sea Hunter" published by MJF Books, 2004, ISBN-13: 978-1-56731-893-7, ISBN-10: 1-56731-893-2) which is "based on 'Sea Hunters' episodes and on Delgado's own underwater explorations" [quote is from dust jacket blurb]. And, Cussler wrote the book's Forward.

So, how about including some kind of mention of this series? [[Special:Contributions/2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6]] ([[User talk:2600:8800:50B:6700:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|talk]]) 10:06, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

== Infobox photo ==

Couldn't someone find a better picture/photo of Cussler?

In no way does the current one do him any justice. That is NOT how he normally appears. I've been to numerous book signings of his and he's NEVER looked that bad.

Please replace it ! [[Special:Contributions/2600:8800:787:F500:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|2600:8800:787:F500:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6]] ([[User talk:2600:8800:787:F500:C23F:D5FF:FEC5:89B6|talk]]) 21:05, 4 June 2017 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:40, 11 December 2024

Health issues ?

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To my knowledge, Cussler has not appeared/'held' any book signings since mid-to-late 2016. At one of the last ones I attended in late 2015 / early 2016, it seemed/appeared to me that he had a little difficulty 'getting with the flow' at the start of the book signing session, but seemed to improve at time passed.

'Normally,' when a new book comes out, a local (Scottsdale, AZ) bookstore holds a signing/release 'party', but it hasn't held one in over a year and there have been at least three books released.

Though he's not a spring chicken, I'm curious if there might be a medical reason why he has not made any public appearances in over a year.

Also, would this be article-worthy? 2600:8800:786:A300:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 03:09, 9 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Photo in Infobox

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Can someone, please, get a better photo/pic of Clive ? ? ? 2600:8800:784:8F00:C23F:D5FF:FEC4:D51D (talk) 01:51, 27 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I added to wikimedia commons a picture of Cussler I took in 2004 when he came to Paris. The quality is not good, but maybe it's good enough for a thumbnail? I let you choose if it's better than the current photo or not : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Clive_Cussler_2004.jpg --Frédéric Neupont (talk) 10:13, 12 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wiki image policy confuses the hell out me, but I found this one from 2005 in the Guardian's obituary, so I assume that qualifies as being in the public domain. https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2c0958ad819673c7a47d5d4cfdb99f2432d8e291/0_0_3008_1806/master/3008.jpg?width=1920&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=b1d11a46ac91277e9d8f5c3c1193c9a0 douts (talk) 15:41, 16 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tone & NPOV

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Goodness, but this sounds flak or fan-written. Encyclopedia articles not only should, but must, list accomplishments and acclaim when it is significant. Significance has to be assessed on scarcity at the time (how uncommon was it to win this placement/prize compared to how many sought it? (aka "competitive")) and repute inside a field and outside of a field (e.g. everyone reports on a Nobel or Field medal win; a top honor from the IEEE may not be as reported/famous outside of electrical engineers, but it would be very significant within).

What isn't of particular significance these days, in particular, is achieving any best seller/top 40 list. These things matter in a way, but this is predicated on the ad populis notion that the opinion of the masses is an assessment of value (the Ford F-150 is the #1 selling truck in the USA for decades; is it the best truck? is it the most affordable? is it the most available?).

Anecdotes of the early married life? The "struggles?" These are celebrations. Again, there is absolutely nothing wrong with such language in a public relations or advertising copy, but it adds bulk to an encyclopedia article without helping with an encyclopedia article's purpose. 1. Why is this person important to others? 2. Why is this person important to me? 3. How did this person, who is/was just a normal human, become important? 4. What substantial effects are left by the passage of this individual (in the case of a bio. piece)?

There is a lot of admiration that needs to be trimmed. Hithladaeus (talk) 12:58, 30 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

my coomments

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I’m said for his passing. Loved his stories 2601:18C:CF7F:5100:E5DA:D11B:14D5:14 (talk) 20:23, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Symbols

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The book lists have lots of symbols — *, †, ††, § etc. I assume that they indicate the various co-authors, but there is no key — GhostInTheMachine talk to me 20:49, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the section "Fargo Adventures" most of the links refer back to the section head; there are no articles about the books. Is there any legitimate reason for this, or shall I delete these links? J S Ayer (talk) 01:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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