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== 'Chelsea is no longer a London club? ' == |
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Why did someone remove '' Chelsea is an English football club based in Fulham, London, England? '' I really don't get it. Every other football club's city is mentioned. Why was it removed? |
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On 29 November 2017, Chelsea became implicated in the [[United Kingdom football sexual abuse scandal]] after announcing it was investigating allegations of historical sexual abuse in the 1970s.{{Cite news|last=Mendick|first=Robert|last2=Rumsby|first2=Ben|date=2016-11-30|title=Exclusive: Chelsea made secret payment to player in child sex abuse claim|language=en-GB|work=The Telegraph|url=https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2016/11/29/chelsea-made-secret-payment-player-child-sex-abuse-claim/|access-date=2021-07-30|issn=0307-1235}}{{Cite web|date=2016-11-29|title=Chelsea open investigation into historical sex abuse allegations|url=http://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/nov/29/chelsea-investigation|access-date=2021-07-30|website=The Guardian|language=en}}{{Cite web|last=Collomosse|first=James Olley, Tom|date=2016-12-02|title=Who is Eddie Heath? Sacked scout at centre of Chelsea hush money story|url=https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/eddie-heath-the-former-chelsea-scout-who-spent-a-lot-of-time-in-his-office-decorating-and-cooking-meals-for-schoolboy-players-a3408566.html|access-date=2021-07-30|website=www.standard.co.uk|language=en}} Significant investigative allegations against the club claimed that a [[Hush money|secret payment]] was made to a former player who had accused the club's ex-chief scout Eddie Heath of child sexual abuse. On 2 December, [[Gary Johnson (footballer, born 1959)|Gary Johnson]] came forward, saying he was paid £50,000 not to go public with allegations he was sexually abused by Heath. The following day, Chelsea apologised "profusely" to Johnson, who later demanded further financial compensation from the club. On 3 December, ''[[The Independent]]'' reported a Chelsea youth player's allegation that [[Dario Gradi]], then Chelsea's assistant manager, visited the player's family's home to "smooth over" a complaint of sexual assault against Heath in 1974. Gradi was suspended by the FA on 11 December 2016 in relation to these allegations. In August 2019, Chelsea's board apologised "unreservedly" for the mistake of allowing Heath, a "prolific and manipulative sexual abuser", to operate "unchallenged".{{Cite web|title=Chelsea statement {{!}} Official Site {{!}} Chelsea Football Club|url=https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/2019/08/06/chelsea-statement|access-date=2021-07-30|website=ChelseaFC}} The apology followed an inquiry led by barrister Charles Geekie QC which heard evidence from 23 witnesses, with 15 reporting "serious and unambiguous sexual assaults", including rape.{{Cite news|title=Chelsea racism case a fight for ‘justice and equality’|language=en-GB|work=BBC Sport|url=https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53180306|access-date=2021-07-30}} In May 2018, the ''Guardian'' reported Chelsea had begun paying settlements to victims of sexual abuse at the club.{{Cite web|date=2018-05-17|title=Chelsea issue secret payout to alleged sexual abuse victim of former scout|url=http://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/may/17/chelsea-payout-sexual-abuse-victim|access-date=2021-07-30|website=The Guardian|language=en}} Legal experts have predicted the total cost of compensation for abuse victims across the UK could reach more than £100m. It is not currently known how much total compensation Chelsea has paid themselves. |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 31 July 2024 == |
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[[Special:Contributions/5.200.114.174|5.200.114.174]] ([[User talk:5.200.114.174|talk]]) 06:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Hi the socks for second kit should be blue |
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== Title page == |
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Can we change the title of the page to Chelsea Men’s F.C as otherwise it’s just confusing [[User:Apeden56182|Apeden56182]] ([[User talk:Apeden56182|talk]]) 19:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:@[[User:Apeden56182|Apeden56182]] While we might long for a world where the men's and women's clubs are on equal footing, we aren't there yet, so it's reasonable that the primary topic sought by somebody looking for Chelsea F.C. is the men's club. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 19:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Due to multiple vandalism by @BluesFan890, I would like to make my request of protecting this article as fast as possible as well as reporting him for vandalism [[User:FlorZi|FlorZi]] ([[User talk:FlorZi|talk]]) 04:26, 28 June 2022 (UTC) |
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::Differentiating doesn’t make the title wrong, though. It makes it more accurate and therefore, more useful to anyone searching, wouldn’t you agree? Editors have a responsibility to use language in line with the times and I believe that here, we can make that progress. [[User:Apeden56182|Apeden56182]] ([[User talk:Apeden56182|talk]]) 19:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:::@[[User:Apeden56182|Apeden56182]] Except that it's not more accurate, because the name of the club is "Chelsea Football Club", not "Chelsea Men's Football Club". By contrast, the name of the women's club is "[[Chelsea F.C. Women|Chelsea Football Club Women]]". |
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:::'''If''' both clubs were just named "Chelsea Football Club", then we would need to call the article on the women's club "Chelsea Football Club (women)", but as long as the men's club remained the primary search topic, it could stay at "Chelsea Football Club" and not need moved to "Chelsea Football Club (men)". See [[Everton F.C.]] and [[Everton F.C. (women)]] for an example of how that is handled and note that [[Everton F.C. (men)]] does not even exist (yet). Also note that [[Everton F.C.]] refers to the English club, while [[Everton F.C. (Trinidad and Tobago)]] has a disambiguated title. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 20:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Grammar error under the subheading 'BlueCo Ownership (2022-Present)'. The final sentence should contain the word "matches" instead of "match's" [[User:Nevadevo|Nevadevo]] ([[User talk:Nevadevo|talk]]) 03:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hello, I am requesting to edit the section on the Chelsea F.C. Page that explains the club's various rivalries. I would just like to add more information explaining why Chelsea has recently developed rivalries with Liverpool and Manchester United over the past two decades. I promise to use reliable sources whilst editing this. Thank you. [[User:MattCassar28|MattCassar28]] ([[User talk:MattCassar28|talk]]) 17:15, 16 August 2022 (UTC) |
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::My apologies. I would like to remove the line in the first paragraph that mentions Chelsea's developing rivalry with Liverpool in the section titled "Rivalries" and instead create a new paragraph underneath the first one explaining that the rivalry with Liverpool developed due to repeated clases in cup competitions, then go into detail regarding the various meetings the two teams have had, such as the 2005 Champions League Semi-final, the 2005 League Cup Final and the meeting at Anfield in the 2013-14 Premier League and explain the outcomes of each. See [https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/controversial-moments-fuelled-liverpools-rivalry-13950676 The controversial moments that have fuelled Liverpool's rivalry with Chelsea] by ''Liverpool Echo'' ("While Liverpool have historically shared heated rivalries with Manchester United and Everton, the dislike towards Chelsea has been a relatively modern development.") and [https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/how-liverpool-v-chelsea-became-one-of-the-fiercest-rivalries-of-the-2000s/ How Liverpool v Chelsea became one of the fiercest rivalries of the 2000s] by ''planetfootball'' ("There is no geographical or historical reason why Liverpool and Chelsea should have any sort of dislike of each other, but for a while in the 2000s their rivalry was one of the most entertaining in English football.") Suggested wording with citations: |
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::Over the last two decades, Chelsea has developed a strong rivalry with Liverpool F.C. following repeated clashes in cup competitions. The first notable match between the two was the 2005 League Cup Final, which Chelsea won 3-2. This match was made famous by Chelsea manager Jose Mourinho being sent off for making a 'shush' gesture to the Liverpool fans after Chelsea equalised. Liverpool and Chelsea then went on to meet in the semi-finals of the 2005 and 2007 Champions Leagues, with Liverpool winning on both occassions. The 2005 meeting was notable in that Liverpool winger Luis Garcia scored a controverial goal with his hand in the 4th minute, which helped the Reds win. Another famous meeting between the two occured at Anfield during the 2013-14 Premier League Season, in which Liverpool were battling both Manchester City and Chelsea for the Premier League title. This match was marked by Gerrard's infamous slip while receiving a pass which allowed Chelsea striker Demba Ba to score, resulting in Chelsea winning the game 2–0 and costing Liverpool the title. Other factors that fuelled the rivalry include Fernando Torres's move from Liverpool to Chelsea in 2011 and Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard almost transferring from the Reds to the Blues in 2005 before eventually declining.[https://www.planetfootball.com/quick-reads/how-liverpool-v-chelsea-became-one-of-the-fiercest-rivalries-of-the-2000s/][https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/controversial-moments-fuelled-liverpools-rivalry-13950676] |
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::I also want to add another paragraph underneath the aformentioned paragraph explaining Chelsea's recently developed rivalry with Manchester United, which occured due to competitions for titles such as the 2009-10 Premier League and the 2008 Champions League Final. See [https://www.ukbettingsites.com/football/rivalries/manchester-united-chelsea.html Chelsea vs Manchester United Rivalry & History] by ''UKBettingSites'' ("... a big part of what has created a rivalry between Manchester United and Chelsea, given that the two teams have been competing for the top honours in the latter stage of the Premier League era.") Suggested wording with citations: |
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::Another notable rivalry Chelsea has developed in recent times is with Manchester United, this again being due to repeated heated meetings between the two. The two teams fought for the Premier League title in the 2005-06 and 2009-10 seasons, with Chelsea winning the title on both occasions (the latter of which was won by just a single point). Other high-profile meetings between the two include the 2008 Champions League final, which United won on penalties, the 1994 FA Cup Final which United won 4-0 and the 2007 and 2018 editions of the FA Cup Final in which Chelsea won 1-0 in both. The rivalry has extended to the players as well, such as a rivalry developed between Chelsea defender John Terry and Man United defender Rio Ferdinand, as both were considered world-class English centre-backs at the time.[https://www.ukbettingsites.com/football/rivalries/manchester-united-chelsea.html] [[User:MattCassar28|MattCassar28]] ([[User talk:MattCassar28|talk]]) 20:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC) |
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[edit]Historic child sexual abuse scandal (2016)
[edit]On 29 November 2017, Chelsea became implicated in the United Kingdom football sexual abuse scandal after announcing it was investigating allegations of historical sexual abuse in the 1970s.Mendick, Robert; Rumsby, Ben (2016-11-30). "Exclusive: Chelsea made secret payment to player in child sex abuse claim". The Telegraph. ISSN 0307-1235. Retrieved 2021-07-30."Chelsea open investigation into historical sex abuse allegations". The Guardian. 2016-11-29. Retrieved 2021-07-30.Collomosse, James Olley, Tom (2016-12-02). "Who is Eddie Heath? Sacked scout at centre of Chelsea hush money story". www.standard.co.uk. Retrieved 2021-07-30.{{cite web}}
: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link) Significant investigative allegations against the club claimed that a secret payment was made to a former player who had accused the club's ex-chief scout Eddie Heath of child sexual abuse. On 2 December, Gary Johnson came forward, saying he was paid £50,000 not to go public with allegations he was sexually abused by Heath. The following day, Chelsea apologised "profusely" to Johnson, who later demanded further financial compensation from the club. On 3 December, The Independent reported a Chelsea youth player's allegation that Dario Gradi, then Chelsea's assistant manager, visited the player's family's home to "smooth over" a complaint of sexual assault against Heath in 1974. Gradi was suspended by the FA on 11 December 2016 in relation to these allegations. In August 2019, Chelsea's board apologised "unreservedly" for the mistake of allowing Heath, a "prolific and manipulative sexual abuser", to operate "unchallenged"."Chelsea statement | Official Site | Chelsea Football Club". ChelseaFC. Retrieved 2021-07-30. The apology followed an inquiry led by barrister Charles Geekie QC which heard evidence from 23 witnesses, with 15 reporting "serious and unambiguous sexual assaults", including rape."Chelsea racism case a fight for 'justice and equality'". BBC Sport. Retrieved 2021-07-30. In May 2018, the Guardian reported Chelsea had begun paying settlements to victims of sexual abuse at the club."Chelsea issue secret payout to alleged sexual abuse victim of former scout". The Guardian. 2018-05-17. Retrieved 2021-07-30. Legal experts have predicted the total cost of compensation for abuse victims across the UK could reach more than £100m. It is not currently known how much total compensation Chelsea has paid themselves.
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5.200.114.174 (talk) 06:46, 31 July 2024 (UTC) Hi the socks for second kit should be blue
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 12:48, 31 July 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Can we change the title of the page to Chelsea Men’s F.C as otherwise it’s just confusing Apeden56182 (talk) 19:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Apeden56182 While we might long for a world where the men's and women's clubs are on equal footing, we aren't there yet, so it's reasonable that the primary topic sought by somebody looking for Chelsea F.C. is the men's club. —C.Fred (talk) 19:27, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Differentiating doesn’t make the title wrong, though. It makes it more accurate and therefore, more useful to anyone searching, wouldn’t you agree? Editors have a responsibility to use language in line with the times and I believe that here, we can make that progress. Apeden56182 (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Apeden56182 Except that it's not more accurate, because the name of the club is "Chelsea Football Club", not "Chelsea Men's Football Club". By contrast, the name of the women's club is "Chelsea Football Club Women".
- If both clubs were just named "Chelsea Football Club", then we would need to call the article on the women's club "Chelsea Football Club (women)", but as long as the men's club remained the primary search topic, it could stay at "Chelsea Football Club" and not need moved to "Chelsea Football Club (men)". See Everton F.C. and Everton F.C. (women) for an example of how that is handled and note that Everton F.C. (men) does not even exist (yet). Also note that Everton F.C. refers to the English club, while Everton F.C. (Trinidad and Tobago) has a disambiguated title. —C.Fred (talk) 20:58, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
- Differentiating doesn’t make the title wrong, though. It makes it more accurate and therefore, more useful to anyone searching, wouldn’t you agree? Editors have a responsibility to use language in line with the times and I believe that here, we can make that progress. Apeden56182 (talk) 19:45, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
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Grammar error under the subheading 'BlueCo Ownership (2022-Present)'. The final sentence should contain the word "matches" instead of "match's" Nevadevo (talk) 03:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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