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The usual pathetic croatian nationalistic article about a croatian city

Croats built everything, croats were the victims, croats were the native people of the city, the culture was only croatian...how long can wikipedia survive when there are so many biased articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.24.86.241 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Italians

Knowing that the Austro-Hungarian censuses only asked for people's "language of communication", how did we get to "local ethnic Italians" in Special:Diff/1260937330/1262425615. In that edit, not all sentences are sourced. The first and the third sentence most likely constitute WP:OR. Can we get reliable sources, with exact quotations on this talk page, please. Ponor (talk) 10:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor: First of all, thank you for writing to me in my talk. Yes, it's just a question of words: I'll remove "local ethnic" without any problems, it's actually a useless specification. LukeWiller (talk) 12:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LukeWiller: we should follow the source as closely as possible. So, what EXACTLY does the source say? What is the source for the first added sentence? What is the source for the third added sentence? Per WP:SYNTH, we may not lead the reader into believing "if A and B then C", if all three are not said in the source, exactly like that.

Also, I believe you should refrain from adding this same information to every possible article while this issue is under discussion. The conclusions you're presenting are highly controversial, and there's more to the story. For example, people faced limited opportunities unless they identified as "Italian." You're completely omitting that aspect. Ponor (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor: Yes, I apologize, I thought the general problem was solved. I would say to wait for other opinions. LukeWiller (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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+== The usual pathetic croatian nationalistic article about a croatian city==
-==Names==
+Croats built everything, croats were the victims, croats were the native people of the city, the culture was only croatian...how long can wikipedia survive when there are so many biased articles?  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/151.24.86.241|151.24.86.241]] ([[User talk:151.24.86.241#top|talk]]) 18:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-According to Wikipedia naming conventions: "other relevant language names may appear in alphabetic order of their respective languages" or "alternatively, all alternative names can be moved to and explained in a "Names" or "Etymology" section immediately following the lead, or a special paragraph of the lead".
-There's no mention for a "Etymology and historical names" such as used in the page. It is recommended to avoid creating sections with different titles. This may lead to confusion, and this is the case. The section is ambiguously misleading about historical names and relevant foreign language names suggesting that some names have only a historical value. There is also no mention of the German and Hungarian names. Relevant foreign language names are to be mentioned as such at the beginning of the section and not to be mixed with archaic names. If in doubt please refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_%28geographic_names%29
-[[Special:Contributions/62.211.130.244|62.211.130.244]] ([[User talk:62.211.130.244|talk]]) 08:56, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
-== Climate ==
+== Ethnic Italians  ==
+Knowing that the Austro-Hungarian censuses only asked for people's "language of communication", how did we get to "local ethnic Italians" in [[Special:Diff/1260937330/1262425615]]. In that edit, not all sentences are sourced. The first and the third sentence most likely constitute [[WP:OR]]. Can we get reliable sources, with exact quotations on this talk page, please. [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 10:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
-On 2 August 2014 IP editor [[Special:Contributions/93.143.11.208|93.143.11.208]] changed the climate figures.  Are the new figures any more accurate? If there are updated figures at Weatherbase then the citation should be updated from the current 2011 data. --[[User:Bejnar|Bejnar]] ([[User talk:Bejnar|talk]]) 18:23, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
+:{{ping|Ponor}} First of all, thank you for writing to me in my talk. Yes, it's just a question of words: I'll remove "local ethnic" without any problems, it's actually a useless specification. [[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]] ([[User talk:LukeWiller|talk]]) 12:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
+::@[[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]]: we should follow the source as closely as possible. So, what EXACTLY does the source say? What is the source for the first added sentence? What is the source for the third added sentence? Per [[WP:SYNTH]], we may not lead the reader into believing "if A and B then C", if all three are not said in the source, exactly like that.
-Damjanić Vrgadski family whose correct and complete surname name is Damiani di Vergada Gliubavaz Frangipani Detrico has never lost the Comital Title in 1860 (tha's an untruth declartion): the Comital Title is still existing as still existing are males members of this family.
+::Also, I believe you should refrain from adding this same information to every possible article while this issue is under discussion. The conclusions you're presenting are highly controversial, and there's more to the story. For example, people faced limited opportunities unless they identified as "Italian." You're completely omitting that aspect. [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 21:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
+:::{{ping|Ponor}} Yes, I apologize, I thought the general problem was solved. I would say to wait for other opinions. [[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]] ([[User talk:LukeWiller|talk]]) 23:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC).