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The usual pathetic croatian nationalistic article about a croatian city

Croats built everything, croats were the victims, croats were the native people of the city, the culture was only croatian...how long can wikipedia survive when there are so many biased articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.24.86.241 (talk) 18:17, 17 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ethnic Italians

Knowing that the Austro-Hungarian censuses only asked for people's "language of communication", how did we get to "local ethnic Italians" in Special:Diff/1260937330/1262425615. In that edit, not all sentences are sourced. The first and the third sentence most likely constitute WP:OR. Can we get reliable sources, with exact quotations on this talk page, please. Ponor (talk) 10:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor: First of all, thank you for writing to me in my talk. Yes, it's just a question of words: I'll remove "local ethnic" without any problems, it's actually a useless specification. LukeWiller (talk) 12:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@LukeWiller: we should follow the source as closely as possible. So, what EXACTLY does the source say? What is the source for the first added sentence? What is the source for the third added sentence? Per WP:SYNTH, we may not lead the reader into believing "if A and B then C", if all three are not said in the source, exactly like that.

Also, I believe you should refrain from adding this same information to every possible article while this issue is under discussion. The conclusions you're presenting are highly controversial, and there's more to the story. For example, people faced limited opportunities unless they identified as "Italian." You're completely omitting that aspect. Ponor (talk) 21:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Ponor: Yes, I apologize, I thought the general problem was solved. I would say to wait for other opinions. LukeWiller (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

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+== The usual pathetic croatian nationalistic article about a croatian city==
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+== Ethnic Italians  ==
-Hello fellow Wikipedians,
+Knowing that the Austro-Hungarian censuses only asked for people's "language of communication", how did we get to "local ethnic Italians" in [[Special:Diff/1260937330/1262425615]]. In that edit, not all sentences are sourced. The first and the third sentence most likely constitute [[WP:OR]]. Can we get reliable sources, with exact quotations on this talk page, please. [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 10:46, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
-I have just modified 3 external links on [[Zadar]]. Please take a moment to review [[special:diff/812639803|my edit]]. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit [[User:Cyberpower678/FaQs#InternetArchiveBot|this simple FaQ]] for additional information. I made the following changes:
+:{{ping|Ponor}} First of all, thank you for writing to me in my talk. Yes, it's just a question of words: I'll remove "local ethnic" without any problems, it's actually a useless specification. [[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]] ([[User talk:LukeWiller|talk]]) 12:09, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
-*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130607122331/http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Dalmatia to http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Dalmatia
+::@[[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]]: we should follow the source as closely as possible. So, what EXACTLY does the source say? What is the source for the first added sentence? What is the source for the third added sentence? Per [[WP:SYNTH]], we may not lead the reader into believing "if A and B then C", if all three are not said in the source, exactly like that.
-*Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20130607063722/http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Illyria to http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Illyria
+::Also, I believe you should refrain from adding this same information to every possible article while this issue is under discussion. The conclusions you're presenting are highly controversial, and there's more to the story. For example, people faced limited opportunities unless they identified as "Italian." You're completely omitting that aspect. [[User:Ponor|Ponor]] ([[User talk:Ponor|talk]]) 21:42, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
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+:::{{ping|Ponor}} Yes, I apologize, I thought the general problem was solved. I would say to wait for other opinions. [[User:LukeWiller|LukeWiller]] ([[User talk:LukeWiller|talk]]) 23:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC).
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-==Name==
-During the period of the Venetian Empire and Austro-Hungarian rule the cartographers named this city ZARA. Surely this should be reflected in the article? [[Special:Contributions/2A00:23C4:B63A:1800:D6E:762F:5EF0:54C0|2A00:23C4:B63A:1800:D6E:762F:5EF0:54C0]] ([[User talk:2A00:23C4:B63A:1800:D6E:762F:5EF0:54C0|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2019 (UTC)
-:Good luck trying to change anything in this article without having it immediately reverted. Certain editors seem to have dozens if not hundreds of articles on their watchlists, and take it upon themselves to act as guardians over their version of the "truth." Trying to correct inaccuracies in articles having anything to do with the countries of the former Yugoslavia, but particularly Croatia, is just an exercise in futility, and an example of why a lot of what's written on this site shouldn't be taken seriously. [[Special:Contributions/198.84.212.239|198.84.212.239]] ([[User talk:198.84.212.239|talk]]) 22:04, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
-==Name==
-the historical section of the page does not meet the minimum criteria of historiographical reliability. A team of croatian users, probably hierarchically and organically organizad,  mystify sistematically the history of the town. They are very professional in what was called "Damnatio memoriae". The italian name "Zara" is simply forbidden, banned, damned. Do not try to change this. Zara simply doesn't exit  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/79.58.215.209|79.58.215.209]] ([[User talk:79.58.215.209#top|talk]]) 07:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Forget Wikipedia for anything related to Croatia geography and history it is not reliable. I see the same happening on most wiki page about Croatia and therefore all articles are presented with a strong nationalistic bias. It is a pity as it deprives Dalmatia from the richness of the cultures that lived there in centuries. I assume that while for Croatian editors it is important to ensure the historical narrative confirming their identity, others like Italians editors stopped caring long time ago. To go back to your comment I indeed find not up to wiki standards that the name that Zadar had for the last 400+ years is not even mentioned on main page and hidden childishly near the Tuscan (?) name.[[Special:Contributions/2A02:A455:1506:1:41C4:9CCF:D115:E663|2A02:A455:1506:1:41C4:9CCF:D115:E663]] ([[User talk:2A02:A455:1506:1:41C4:9CCF:D115:E663|talk]]) 23:37, 6 December 2020 (UTC)DocG4