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The result was merge‎ to List of accidents and incidents involving the Yakovlev Yak-40. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:01, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

1976 Aeroflot Yakovlev Yak-40 crash

1976 Aeroflot Yakovlev Yak-40 crash (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)

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Per WP:GNG and WP:EVENTCRIT: Other than databases, there exists no reliable secondary sources that provide (significant) coverage of the event, no in-depth coverage, no (sustained) continued coverage, no demonstrated lasting effects nor long-term impacts on a significant region of the world that would make this event notable enough for a stand-alone article. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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WP:COI I have a soft-spot for the Yak-40; it's a pretty little thing that deserved greater success in the wider world.

Anyways - although not especially notable in itself, is this event just one of hundreds of similar articles, and will they go through the same Afd process? Yes, I know, there is a WP: for what I have just done, but see my next point before shooting me down.

One of the reasons for lack of (significant) coverage is surely due to historical censorship in the Soviet Union; in this case their reluctance to acknowledge such aviation crashes accidents? Had this event occurred in the USA, with seven fatalities I am sure it would have been front-page news, and years later spawned an episode of Mayday (Canadian TV series). Was this article always doomed to fail simply because it happened not just in Russia, but in a remote backwater of such a vast country. Where is Ust-kut airport anyway, and does anybody care? But whilst you are there, look at this beauty, steaming out at low-level.

Як-40
(at Ust-kut, Southeast Siberia)

Back on track; there was one part of this accident article that I found most interesting; the aircraft was being used as a freight carrier, not at the end of its career, but in its heyday. It is not what you first think of when you look at the lede image and see those rear-airstairs deployed. The List of accidents and incidents involving the Yakovlev Yak-40 doesn't mention that it was a predominantly cargo flight, and deleting this article would deprive us of that detail. Ok, so I'm clutching at straws now, but there is a real point hidden in that comment.

So, it's a KEEP, pending a response from you (or others) that persuades me to change my mind, which I assure you is a real possibility.

(*) On a separate issue; back in the USSR (!), even though I like to ride my bicycle (I like to ride my bike), I'm fairly sure that I wouldn't be allowed to pedal my agenda incessantly. <coughs>. Ok, that's my way of apologising for interjecting into a conversation between you and third-parties; I am not sure what the correct form is in these cases, although I am rapidly reaching the stage of applying 'do not feed the troll', which seems to be one of the aims of the "project". Maybe I'm Losing My Religion, or maybe I've said too much.

WendlingCrusader (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I mean, it is a beautiful picture if we're being honest. But back to this discussion, none of this really tells us why this event is notable enough to be kept. It's possible that it could have been notable had it happened in the US, but it's also possible that it couldn't. Maybe if it had been covered on Mayday, it could have been notable enough for a standalone article, but cases such as the 1991 Gulf War KC-135 incident don't have an article (which was sent to AfD a few months ago). In short, a standalone article relies on the existence of secondary sources. None exist. Whether or not there were lasting effects or long-term impacts will need to be demonstrated.

A merge to List of accidents and incidents involving the Yakovlev Yak-40 to include more details is a possibility. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 06:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Aeroflot accidents and incidents in the 1970s. Article is covered there. Meltdown627 (talk) 19:43, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: seems relevant and useful to me. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 02:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

  Being "Useful" is not an argument. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 09:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge per Aviationwikiflight. Its entry in the list can be expanded to include key details such as that it was a cargo flight and some details of the currently unspecified "crew errors". ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 05:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Carmine Nappi

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This article, which appears to suffer from WP:TAGBOMBING, does not establish notability per WP:MUSICBIO. While it includes WP:TOOMANYREFS, many are only passing mentions, and some do not mention the subject at all. I would have considered draftifying it, but since it is an AfC-accepted article, I have brought it here for community inputs. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 16:53, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Neutral: My AFC acceptance was as a borderline acceptance, something we are encouraged to do. I have a personal policy of remaining steadfastly. neutral when an AFC acceptance of mine cones to AfD. I will be interested in the eventual outcome. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Keep. I think it should be allowed to breathe for a little while longer. If time passes and no better sources are added (making it definitely fail WP:MUSICBIO or WP:GNG) then deletion should be considered. Beachweak (talk) 14:09, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

keep. From what I understand, the issue arises from “a lack of articles/I am not mentioned in the articles,” but upon checking the articles, everything written on the Wikipedia page is cited in the articles, and my name is also present in these articles, sometimes even in the title, such as:

•           “Carmine Nappi, Music, Shows, and Management at a National Level”

•           “Carmine Nappi Project and Top Records Present Giuseppe Iadonisi with the Song ‘Luna’”

•           “Carmine Nappi is the Product Manager of Ella Armstrong’s New Album”

•           “Carmine Nappi Project: A Remarkable Presence in the Musical and Cultural Field”

•           TAG: “CARMINE NAPPI PROJECT on laprovinciaonline”

Others mention it in the text, for instance:

·      “Talent Show in Naples: Sanremo & Castrocaro Objective”

o   “Carmine Nappi – Producer and Manager (Carmine Nappi Project Management & Productions), National Coordinator of ‘A Voice for Sanremo.’”

·      “Giuseppe Iadonisi Wins ‘A Voice for Sanremo’”

o   “In recent days, an agreement was finalized between the artist’s producer, Carmine Nappi, and the record label that owns the ‘A Voice for Sanremo’ trademark, ‘Bao Bello Music,’ led by record producer Fabio Ciacci.”

o   “Indeed, these days, his first album, titled ‘Il tuo domani,’ will be released on platforms via ‘Zimbalam,’ managed by Carmine Nappi Project Management & Productions.”

·      “Sanremo Festival. Campanian Artists in the RAI New Proposals Category Selections”

o   “Producers Guido Palma and Carmine Nappi, heads of the record labels ‘Top Records’ and ‘Carmine Nappi Project,’…”

o   “The producers Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma express great satisfaction with their selections as they move towards presenting these five artists at the Sanremo competition, with much confidence. Their hope is that one of them succeeds in advancing through the selection, given the talent each possesses. The production also thanks Giuseppe Iadonisi, an artist who has worked closely with Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma in recent months to finalize work plans for the various artists, focusing on music and video aspects.”

·      “Sanremo 2016: Artist Presentation for RAI New Proposals Category Selections”

o   “Producers Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma express great satisfaction with their selections as they move towards presenting these five artists at the Sanremo competition, with much confidence. Their hope is that one of them succeeds in advancing through the selection, given the talent each possesses.”

o   “Producers Guido Palma and Carmine Nappi, heads of the record labels ‘Top Records’ and ‘Carmine Nappi Project,’ completed the lengthy process of selecting artists for the ‘Youth Towards the Future’ project, which began in December 2014, an idea conceived by Nappi himself and the well-known Italian record producer Guido Palma, a highly respected figure in the Italian music industry, awarded the Career Achievement Award by the AFI (Italian Phonographic Association) in 2012.”

o   “The production also thanks Giuseppe Iadonisi, an artist who has worked closely with Carmine Nappi and Guido Palma in recent months to finalize work plans for the various artists, focusing on music and video aspects.”

·      “Ama-Man, the New Album by Giuseppe Iadonisi”

o   “His second work is co-produced by the Carmine Nappi Project Group and Top Records of Milan.”

o   “It is the result of a human and musical journey that has grown over time and matured with Giuseppe, to the extent of having all the credentials to be labeled ‘discographic.’ It will be co-produced by the Carmine Nappi Project Group and Top Records of Milan.”

o   “The final thanks go to Carmine Nappi, the producer who believed in him and continues to support him, wishing him a special future. We at Clarus believe in him too…”

·      “Nola: At the Mondadori Literary Café, the Exclusive Preview of Ella Armstrong’s New Album”

o   “The EP, distributed by ‘Top Records and Carmine Nappi Project’”

o   “First Record Work for Luisa Iossa, Winner of the Vallo Fest Contest 2019”

o   “With a guitar for a friend and many words to put into music, she is now preparing to debut her first record work after winning the Vallo Fest 2019 festival, which gave her the opportunity to sign her first record deal with Carmine Nappi, Producer of the Carmine Nappi Project.”

·      “From Terzigno to Sanremo: Pasquale Auricchio and His ‘Immense Love’”

o   “Supported by his teacher and producer Carmine Nappi, to whom he feels very personally connected.”

Therefore, I do not see a lack of sources; on the contrary, I have included several articles for every cited element, confirming its accuracy and ensuring a neutral point of view based on newspaper articles. I would like to specifically understand which part of the text is not cited in the articles, creating this alleged lack of sources. Carminenappi1986 (talk) 16:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: Carminenappi1986, simple mentions in articles to not satisfy the WP:GNG. In particular the 2nd point "Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail [...]. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material. with the example provided: Martin Walker's statement, in a newspaper article about Bill Clinton, that "In high school, he was part of a jazz band called Three Blind Mice" is plainly a trivial mention of that band.. Looking through the articles, they indeed mention Carmine Nappi, but they do not go beyond a trivial mention or WP:ROUTINE mention.
  Source 1: [1] mentions simply "Carmine Nappi – Produttore e Menager (Carmine Nappi Poject Menagement & Produzioni), Coordinatore nazionale di “Una voce per Sanremo”"[sic], with no further comments or discussion on Carmine. As such, this article does not contribute to the encyclopedic notability of the article's subject. It could be used once notability is established to show the person was part of this specific event's jury, but that is dependent on the subject passing WP:GNG. Source 2: [2] does not mention Carmine. Source 3: [3] is similar to source 1 in that the content related to Carmine is extremely limited, at best establishing that Carmine negotiated a contract with the artist, but has no discussion on Carmine - who they are, why they chose to sign this artist, what they have done prior... Similarly, some sources do not appear to be fully independent or could raise questions on independence (e.g., Source 5 [4] which is authored by Comunicato Stampa, English: press release).
  There are some good sources nonetheless, I note Source 4 [5] as seeming quite good and in-depth. I note however with some surprise that the same author (Mauro Romano) is attributed authorship of both this article and of Source 6 [6] which appears to be almost word-for-word the press release published in Source 5, making me strongly question if Marigliano.net is a reliable source, and if Mauro Romano's article in Source 4 is not churnalism, which are generally considered similarly to press releases for WP:GNG purposes. This is a concern, since Mauro Romano is a... frequent author of the sources cited in the article.
  Having said all this, what would you say are the WP:3SOURCES that best establish that Carmine Nappi passes the WP:GNG in your view? (Note that WP:3SOURCES is an essay, not a guideline). I may prepare a source review to share my view, but as you are the article creator you likely already have a good grasp on which sources are most relevant. Shazback (talk) 01:11, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: Shazback, In response to Mauro Romano’s case, he is a former journalist for several journalistic outlets, as reported by the following articles:

  “Official press agents Mauro Romano, poet and literary critic, and contributor to online newspapers such as Marigliano.NET and La Provincia” (NapoliToday)

  “Worthy of note is the collaboration, at the press level, of the journalist from Marigliano.NET and ‘Provinciaonline’ Mauro Romano” (PuntoMagazine)

  (And if you search, more sources can be found.)

  As for the credibility of marigliano.net, the homepage itself states:

  “Marigliano Copyright © 2005 - 2024 ONLINE JOURNALISTIC OUTLET REGISTERED IN THE REGISTRY OF THE NOLA COURT - REGISTRATION N° 137 OF 13/3/2007 P. IVA 07545791217 - R.O.C. 37407 [...]"

  This confirms that it is indeed a registered journalistic outlet in Nola, Italy.

  Regarding the issue of providing further details (“Carmine is extremely limited, at best establishing that Carmine negotiated a contract with the artist, but has no discussion on Carmine - who they are, why they chose to sign this artist, what they have done prior”), for privacy reasons, newspapers cannot disclose all legal details, such as the type of contract I have with the artist. However, on the Wikipedia page, I have reported exactly what was published in the newspapers, nothing more, and all this information is truthful and verifiable by freely searching online for each piece of information.

  Thus, they cannot be considered “lies” or “churnalism,” as they are actual events. Carminenappi1986 (talk) 14:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. 1) Everyone in 2024 knows that Wikipedia doesn’t allow autobiography, original research, or Facebook style pages, that alone is reason to delete, but the gaslighting and sealioning is reason to salt this. 2) We routinely delete articles about producers of notable musical artists, because they’re run of the mill, and this guy’s client lists are a bunch of red links make him more so. 3) Churnalism is why we’re having a difficult time with sources that used to be reliable and have become deprecated, like Forbes. Bearian (talk) 13:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: 1. autobiography is allowed on Wikipedia, as the COI statement has been reported in my profile, as Wikipedia requires. 2. As for gaslighting, the news is reported by registered Italian newspapers (read the comments above) 3. The red links are from people for whom a page has not been created, but this does not imply the untruthfulness of the things written, indeed, if you read the comments above, we specify that those articles are official and registered in court in Italy Carminenappi1986 (talk) 14:58, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  I did a search on this person on the web to understand who he was and if what was reported on Wikipedia was really true, checking both the names of the artists and the things done, I verified that it is all true. For me we can keep it because, always checking on the web, the things written are true and the names written in red exist and are connected to him 79.37.55.87 (talk) 13:06, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. I am not seeing concrete evidence of reliable intellectually independent coverage. There is considerable refbombing going on, and the concerns above about churnalism have not been adequately answered. I was unable to find sufficient sourcing when I looked. I would perhaps have been a weak delete, were this not an autobiography. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 06:50, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Offensive weapon

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Fails WP:INDISCRIMINATE, no context for why this legal term is encyclopedic. Wikipedia is not purely a legal reference and this article just cites laws and legal decisions. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: topic does not seem notable at all outside of the legal documents. Noah ^💬 18:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

KEEP: Of course it is notable - an offensive weapon may not be a term where you or the proposer are from, but it is a clearly defined element of law that has been around for decades. I have no idea why the proposer decided to find this article doesn't meet WP eligibility criteria after the article being around for 17 years, but this is notable enough that it does need its own article. Seeing as someone from the USA and the proposer, from the Philippines, has an issue with this, then perhaps the best course of action should be to create a page 'Offensive Weapon in English/Welsh Law' like we have for many UK policing or general criminal law related articles. Deleting it outright is unnecessary. Apeholder (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Nobody is saying Wikipedia should be purely a legal reference, but this legal term is ubiquitous in the law of some European countries and has a social impact, that it should be included. The article also does not "simply cite laws and legal decisions", Why not just add a 'needs expansion' tag to this page, so users can see why the article is there with a good lede perhaps? Why call for the deletion of it outright? Apeholder (talk) 20:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

WHY was it nominated for deletion? So far, most of its sources are WP:PRIMARY. This is insufficient to pass GNG, while failing INDISCRIMINATE as well. You have not offered up actual sources to disprove this assertion. Rather than being angry at the nominator, proving them indisputably wrong with reliable secondary sources is a better idea when it comes to saving an article. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Again, why didn't you add 'better sources needed' instead of nominating the article for deletion? Why not improve the article or at least tag it so it can be improved? Why not rename it as a specific article about English/Welsh law like we have already on WP? To delete it outright is a very strange request. Meanwhile, I have added 2 secondary sources to the article, so your deletion request should now be reconsidered Apeholder (talk) 16:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment the coverage of the term's usage in English law is wildly excessive under any title. Ignoring that content, this feels more like a disambiguation page between different definitions of the term rather than one specific concept. Maybe converting this to a DAB page? Walsh90210 (talk) 19:11, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

  Unless you can specify what requires disambiguation, this seems like a "let the search function do its job" sort of situation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:19, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. The concept of an "offensive weapon" in law (and possession thereof) has been long examined in scholarly and legal literature, including in the following:
  1. "Offensive Weapons" (1969)
  2. "The carrying of offensive weapons" (1970)
  3. "The Crimes of Possession of Offensive Weapons from a Human Rights Point of View " (1997)
  4. "Are Offences for Possession of Offensive Weapons in Hong Kong Justifiable from a Normative Perspective?" (2023)

As the above sources show, yes, there is scholarly and legal thought about this sort of thing, as well as the ethics of criminalizing the possession of such weapons. This clearly passes the WP:GNG, and I don't see it as indiscriminate for reason of the scholarly and legal questions that have been written about regarding both the definition of offensive weapons and laws that apply to their possession and use. I grant that this article focuses heavily on England and Wales, but that isn't really a reason alone to delete it when editing can fix this problem.

— Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 02:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. The topic is seen in various scholarly literature over the past two centuries at least. Several other 'non-legal' works of literature mention this term. ParvatPrakash (talk) 04:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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Tinychat

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Articles about companies must meet WP:NCORP requirements. This one clearly fails them.

1. [7] Puff piece by WP:TECHCRUNCH, an outlet infamous for its COI articles

2. [8] Very brief and clearly promotional article, even including calls to action with a link to the website. Fails WP:ORGIND.

3. [9] non-independent interview article, doesn't say anything of substance about Tinychat.

4. [10] reads like a routine announcement, not deep enough coverage to satisfy ORGDEPTH.

5. [11] Reproduction of another WP:TECHCRUNCH puff-piece.

6. [12] Routine announcement, doesn't say anything about the company in any depth (WP:ORGDEPTH). Also relies on TechCrunch.

Other sources I found were PR articles and top 10 lists. This article was also created by an editor with the same name as a co-founder of this company [13]. Badbluebus (talk) 23:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Couldn't find any good sources either. I found this article that alleges that two celebrity investors used the software to "flirt with underage girls", but the article states that these are merely "rumors". At best, this source is unreliable, and at worst, it's a violation of WP: BLP and should not be added to the article. I also found a book called "Introduction to Omegle" by Gilad James, PhD. I thought that this source would be reliable, but the author's LinkedIn profile indicates that their PhD was obtained from a "distance learning institution". This, regrettably, makes the book an unreliable source. HyperAccelerated (talk) 05:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:59, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Confederate Monument (Oxford, Mississippi)

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Fails to meet notability. Beyond a description of the monument and the fact that it was moved, there really is not significant coverage about the monument. These facts alone do not make this article suitable for inclusion. Jordano⁵³ 23:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep Passes WP:GNG in that it has received significant coverage in reliable sources eg. [14][15][16][17][18][19][20][21][22] Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Sources are there to pass WP:GNG and the article is standard for monuments; nominator is also a student at Ole Miss (publicly disclosed on their user page) and I don't want to outright say there's COI involved, but someone not involved with the school should be nominating this rather than a student for best practices. Nate • (chatter) 23:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Best practice might also include WP:BEFORE. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:43, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, that too; if there are two proper sources coming into the article when you nominate it, I don't think those are the only two to exist as you've easily proven. Nate • (chatter) 14:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - per Hawkeye above. But also, even more so because these statutes stand as a reminder of the history of that era. I.E., take a look at all the categories at the bottom of George Armstrong Custer vs. Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. Early white settlers tried to eradicate native American tribes from the earth. History is not always pretty, and we should keep these articles etc. that illuminate the other side of what happened. — Maile (talk) 00:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, sufficient secondary coverage. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep WP:GNG, WP:BEFORE Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history#What topics do we cover? "5. Military facilities and structures, such as fortifications, bases, test sites, and memorials" in addition to military units. A B-class article with 12 cited sources. Donner60 (talk) 08:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per sourcing found by Hawkeye7 Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Hawkeye7 above passes WP:GNG.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:29, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:23, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Jordan Bulpitt

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No evidence of notability for this English cricketer. Fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Possible redirect targets include List of Cambridge UCCE & MCCU players and List of Warwickshire County Cricket Club players, though the latter has not been updated with his name yet. JTtheOG (talk) 21:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete Played only one first class match and that was for a university team in a pre-season warm-up. Fails notability. Shrug02 (talk) 09:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

2024 University of Mississippi confrontation

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Does not meet notability, per WP:DEPTH and WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE. The event had no real lasting effect, besides being mentioned at the RNC. Beyond that, this story did not survive past the typical news cycle, suggesting that it is unencyclopedic. Jordano⁵³ 22:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Neutral observation As seen on their userpage, the nominator is a student at Ole Miss themselves. I'm not saying there's any COI, but going by the article body having it mentioned two months later at the RNC disproves the nom's 'no lasting effect' statement, especially when the video mentioning it at the RNC and a congressperson support a racist gesture. I highly suggest the nominator withdraw this and have someone not involved with the school perform a new nomination instead. Nate • (chatter) 23:30, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete unless someone can show secondary WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE to satisfy WP:NEVENT. For context, this appears likely to be one of many mass-created news articles dependent on WP:ROUTINE coverage which led to the article creator's topic ban from publishing articles directly in mainspace. Left guide (talk) 23:59, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Delete – The article does not meet Wikipedia's notability, verifiability, and neutrality standards. However, it can be redirected towards the protests of American universities in 2024. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 23:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Anson Tsang

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Non-notable poker player. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Per nomination. All coverage is sourced to poker stat databases and other poker news sites merely covering the events subject has taken part in. - Ratnahastin (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: I found this book titled I Am a Gambler: The 73rd Industry that Disrupts Your Traditional Views on Gambling (Chinese: 我是牌手──顛覆您對賭博傳統看法的第七十三行業) published by https://www.red-publish.com/ that profiles him on pages 107–116. I found a few paragraphs of coverage in this article from Card Player. The other sources I found were sponsored sources from natural8 like this Chinese-language article and this English-language article. I think the book is a reliable source. His notability hinges on whether Card Player is also a reliable source. Cunard (talk) 08:47, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment Cunard, Card Player looks reliable enough in that they separate editorial and sales, it doesn't look like coverage is obviously shaped by advertisers, and while the magazine might have a bias towards positivity they covered the use of laptop/consulting by Jonathan Tamayo at the WSOP[23] (if they cover the resulting rules change it will be in a December magazine). ^~Hydronium^~Hydroxide^~(Talk)~ 02:25, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ryuolivier Iwamoto

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Creator is globally locked. Not remotely indicating that WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT is met. Never played on a notable level. 0 J League games, 0 cup games. Played some school matches before retiring; why he retired is described by himself in the Nikkan Sports source in the Japanese Wikipedia. Bunshun described him starting to work in a bank, but he does not meet business bio inclusion criteria. Geschichte (talk) 14:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 17:42, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: I don't really see how WP:GNG is not satisfied when there are multiple articles with significantly more than WP:ROUTINE mentions in Nov. 2014, Dec. 2014, Jan. 2015 and in Apr. 2022. Unless these sources fail WP:RS, the fact that there is interest in knowing more about this player who had a very unremarkable career seven/eight years on from the notable event of when he was signed out of high school is IMO a notable indication of potential notability. Most players that retire before they turn 27 with (apparently) 0 games in the top two divisions don't get anything more than a one-liner as part of a broader list of retirees or a courtesy post on the club's website, so that he had a lengthy article & interview is what stands out most to me. Probably someone who speaks Japanese could locate better sources, as I imagine there is a reason why this player's retirement received this level of attention. Shazback (talk) 21:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep I had to translate them, but I think the sources provided by Shazback are significant coverage enough to pass GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 06:50, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Shazback’s sources. Absurdum4242 (talk) 15:43, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: Thanks to Shazback for finding these sources. The subject comfortably meets GNG. JTtheOG (talk) 22:33, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - per sources found by Shazback. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Bhanga–Kuakata line. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Kuakata railway station

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WP:TOOSOON. The project is yet to be finalized and the sources doesn’t talk directly about Kuakata railway station, but Bhanga–Kuakata line. No construction work is taken for the station. No indication of notability. Mehedi Abedin 22:08, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Bhanga–Kuakata line. Procyon117 (talk) 07:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect to Bhanga–Kuakata line. Djflem (talk) 16:53, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Bhanga–Kuakata line. --Worldbruce (talk) 22:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect to Bhanga–Kuakata line would be the best move. TH1980 (talk) 00:14, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Rob Zerban

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Delete or Redirect. The first is that he was a member of the Kenosha County Board of Commissioners. Local politicians are not automatically notable, nor are they not automatically not notable. Reasons a local politician could be notable are longevity in service (Robert L. Butler, Margaret Doud, or Hilmar Moore) or notable activity in office (Betty Loren-Maltese or Rita Crundwell), the latter of which is probably more a WP:CRIME who was also a politician. The second is his candidacies for Congress. I simply do not see the "historic significance" test being passed here given the last election was over ten years ago at this point. A clear failure of WP:POLITICIAN. Similar AfDs resulted in a delete/redirect in Andy Anderson, Bill Proctor, Veron Parker, and Steve Sarvi. Mpen320 (talk) 21:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - fails our threshold levels of WP:POLITICIAN. (Full disclosure: I may have donated some money to one or more of his Congressional races, since I despise his opponent.) --Orange Mike | Talk 21:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep - arguably passes WP:SIGCOV. Bearian (talk) 16:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
  • It is generally understood that routine mention or even interviews of unsuccessful candidates by local press does not really constitute significant coverage of the individual as an individual. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC) (unsuccessful candidate in the past)
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The result was delete‎. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Zartis

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See the previous AfD. I strongly doubt the topic became notable. Possibly a recreation of the previous article. The UPE Wikibusines is known to be related, per Metawiki. Janhrach (talk) 21:08, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. There seem to be no new sources added since the last time this article was deleted in the first AfD. With the lack of new references, if it didn't meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP the first time, it almost certainly doesn't meet GNG a second time. Madeleine961 (talk) 22:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete: An article describes an IT staffing/training firm, without a clear claim to notability. I can't see the instance deleted as a result of the October 2022 AfD to compare, but the discussion then looks applicable to this new instance created in June 2023, which repeats some sources discussed in the first AfD nomination's source analysis table. A firm going about its business with various initiatives, and the 2022 Business Post company profile piece gives a thorough history, but I don't see such an interview item, produced in conjunction with Enterprise Ireland who are backers of this firm, as providing the evidence needed to demonstrate notability. AllyD (talk) 12:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

James Farr (animator)

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Refs consist almost entirely of primary sources (i.e: YouTube and Farr's website), and the article reads like a resume with lots of fluff/promotional material. A Google search doesn't reveal much in the way of secondary, reliable sources. KnowledgeIsPower9281 (talk) 21:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: PROMO article that reads like an extended CV. This person exists [24], but an interview doesn't prove notability and [25] My Nintendo News doesn't seem to be a RS. Oaktree b (talk) 21:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Delete Sources too weak to show notoriety, an interview is not an independent source and YouTube is not a reliable source SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Bu Yu

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Unnotable chinese politician. It cites 5 pubications from shady sites that are not adequate for notability. I found no significant coverage about him online. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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KEEP, Adding sources is not a difficult task. Given that the individual is a Chinese, it is advisable to conduct a direct search for Chinese profiles. TinaLees-Jones (talk) 23:54, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Although TinaLees-Jones's comment above looks like WP:ILIKEIT, they have in fact expanded the article significantly since the nomination. Sources like [26] are far-and-away SIGCOV, and the subject's various positions mean they likely meet NPROF, NJOURNALIST, and NPOL (some more than others). Very clear Keep from me. Toadspike [Talk] 11:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Rick Bevan

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Non-notable RL player. Was unable to find any WP:SIGCOV at Trove, other than a few mentions of him being the father of his much more famous son. J Mo 101 (talk) 18:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Speedy Keep. Nomination fails to raise a cas as to why this needs to be deleted when the obvious alternative of a Redirect to List of Sydney Roosters players is there. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Changed now that the is a delete comment below. duffbeerforme (talk) 04:50, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

  I have no problem with a redirect, but why not simply recommend that rather than "speedy keep"? In any case, I would disagree that the above redirect target is obvious, when his bigger claim to fame is that he was Brian Bevan's father. J Mo 101 (talk) 11:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. Fails GNG, and notability not inherited. RLP gives the name as Eric Bevan, and a search for this gives only a few results on Trove, the most detailed on which, from 1950, just notes that Brian's father used to play and which teams he played for. I am not sure how useful a redirect to the list of players would be as there are only three other links to the article – on Brian Bevan, where the name is already preceded by a link to the club, the families list where he appears next to the link to Brian, and on the Richard Bevan dab page where his inclusion does not seem particularly relevant. EdwardUK (talk) 12:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Dell Technologies. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Dell FX100

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This article is a stub about a defunct product and is very unlikely to expand meaningfully in the future. Additionally, existing sourcing on the topic is scant. I've done some research, and there doesn't appear to be much out there beyond the three secondary sources in the References section. On these grounds, I'm not sure the article clears Wikipedia's notability standards. I also don't think it makes sense to integrate the article's content into any other Dell articles, since the product is pretty minor in the grand scheme of the company's portfolio. My suggestion would be to delete and redirect to Dell Technologies. But I should note that I am a Dell employee with a clear conflict of interest, and so I shouldn't be making decisions about this article's fate. This deletion nomination is just me opening the debate. I encourage independent editors to weigh in. Thank you! JM with Dell Technologies (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Dell Technologies. While the product lacks independent significant coverage to merit a standalone article, there are reliable secondary sources that confirm that it exists (or at least, had existed). Agree with the OP, a redirect would preserve this factual information while not giving too much weight on this minor bit of Dell's history. Madeleine961 (talk) 22:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Dell Technologies. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 05:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The Faces of Janus

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Fails WP:NBOOK, no WP:SIGCOV मल्ल (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep. Has many many many full length reviews [27] [28] [29] [30], as well as Perspectives on Political Science, Library Journal, Choice, probably more but this was all in the first results. Some of these were already in the page. This article is just from the time we weren't great at inline citations, but they're attributed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep, merge, or turn it into a template. It's relevant to the controversy over whether fascism and communism are "totalitarian twins" or very different systems on opposite sides of the political spectrum.

• I just now finished transformingThe Trump Economic Miracle into Template:The Trump Economic Miracle, so I could transclude it into both its authors' articles as a bullet-point. --Uncle Ed (talk) 19:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

There is clearly enough coverage here for NBOOK, but ignoring that, why a template? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:17, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep Passes WP:NBOOK per sources provided above by PARAKANYAA. Sal2100 (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Sources above are more than enough to pass NBOOK. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:32, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  I also found this single newspaper review from The Gazette (here). ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep: I've added a review just now. Headhitter (talk) 12:08, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - Per the sources found above. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:34, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Danila Matveyev

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An article about russian 17th-century bellmaker. It has not cited any sources since 2023, no evidence of notability. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 18:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete as unsourced, but ping me if you find significant coverage in Russian sources. Bearian (talk) 13:37, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep listed in Orthodox Encyclopedia [31]. Famous rusian bellmaker for multiple monasteries. Other mentions: [32], [33], [34]. Mentioned in many rusian books and articles. Notifying User:Bearian Ceriy (talk) 16:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Thank you. Please add the found sources to the stub. Bearian (talk) 16:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Appears in the Orthodox Encyclopedia. Is notable SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep although th epage needs significant work. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ahbou, British Columbia

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An unnotable ghost town in British Columbia. The sources in this article are broken. I was unable to find anything about it online. There is currently no evidence of it existing, and even if it does exist, it is not notable enough to be on Wikipedia. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 18:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment - The article description doesn't make any sense. This is Lodi lake - there is no Ahbou lake near it. There is an Ahbau lake about 7km south of it, but not "the other side of a road". There is also no sign of any settlement near Lodi Lake. Unless there's some explanation (am I looking in the wrong place?) I'm leaning delete on this. FOARP (talk) 20:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Fails WP:V in addition to WP:GNG and WP:GEOLAND. The cited location is too vague to verify, and I can't find any other information besides the cited source. BTW, the citation is mangled; this appears to be the book cited, and it seems to be self-published. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yeah, per this, Basque Garnet ran Sunfire Publications. FOARP (talk) 04:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. There is an Ahbau Creek, Lake and Station, but no record of an Ahbou settlement. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:56, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:33, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ivan Kuras

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Badly written article about unnotable ukrainian scientist. I was unable to find anything notable within this article's sources. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 18:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Automatically notable per WP:NPOL as a member of the Verkhovna Rada, Ukraine's parliament. Probably passes other guidelines as well, as he looks quite prominent per the Ukrainian and Russian articles, which appear to include several encyclopedias giving him entries. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep. The nominator has unfortunately bitten off more than they can chew. No-one should start 20 AFDs in 30 hours, editors with a couple hundred edits under their belt even less so. In this case, most of the AFDs seem like ill-conceived drive-by nominations, and have largely been met with a massive keep response. In these particular AFDs, the nominator routinely disregards common deletion outcomes and guidelines, making imprecise nomination statements and disregarding that many of the criticisms can be solved through cleanup. In this biography, not only the politician part would lead to a keep outcome, but also the national academy part. Geschichte (talk) 20:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, trout, and move swiftly on. Mccapra (talk) 21:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. Passes WP:NPOL. Procyon117 (talk) 07:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy keep. Anyone who’s been here for four months knows that WP:NPOL is a strongly held consensus. Bearian (talk) 13:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. member of Ukrainian Parliament, notable political scientist. As the nominator listed himself as rusian, he should have no issues reading rusian version of the article and there are many rusian language sources available. Ceriy (talk) 15:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per WP:NPOL SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NPOL Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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EP Entertainment

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Unnotable entertainment company. There is no significant coverage of it. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete WP:MILL management division of bigger record company, and their one name artist moved on years ago. Nate • (chatter) 22:12, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. As things stand there is clear consensus to delete, but I would be happy to provide a draftspace copy to anyone who wants one. I don't think it is terribly fair to AfD participants to leave this open without a clear indication as to why. As our policy doesn't preclude recreation if new sources are found, that is probably a better use of community time. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Thamir Muhsin

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Unnotable lecturer at the Baghdad University. No significant coverage. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 17:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• And where did you look for sources? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Internet... SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Where on the internet? Did you look with his Arabic name? In books? What about newspaper archives? Because that's where the coverage would be; a plain English Google search isn't sufficient. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found (and I am sure someone better than me can find them!) which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - I couldn't find any substantial coverage under Thamir Muhsin, a few other similar names, or what I _think_ may be his Arabic name. Searching is tough because of this Thamir Muhsen, also a sports scientist at Baghdad U. Agree with BeanieFan11 that the best chance for finding SIGCOV will be in Arabic-language newspaper archives, ideally an obit or similar. Suriname0 (talk) 20:29, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  No objection to a relist. Suriname0 (talk) 05:11, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete No quality sources SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• I can't easily find anything, but I think it's absolutely crazy that someone who managed a national team, albeit briefly (RSSSF says his first stint was taking a younger version of the national team to a cup), and someone who coached one of the top clubs in the country to the top flight for the first time, would not be notable. The problem is Arabic is a difficult language for me to find pre-internet sources from. The best I can do is a 2016 source from the Al-Talaba SC page which clearly mentions him in a translation: [35] SportingFlyer T·C 21:06, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
• To the closing admin: could I request a relist to give me more time to search? Thanks, BeanieFan11 (talk) 21:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, a relist here would be fantastic. The sources we already have strongly suggests there would be coverage of him in hard to find places. SportingFlyer T·C 22:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Krishna Kishore

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Fails WP:BLP and WP:SIGCOV, sources are poorly cited and nothing notable to be found within sources. Garudam ^Talk! 17:27, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Kablammo (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. Poor sources with no significant coverage on subject's biography and career. I can not find in search if the subject was an important figure or was widely cited by peers or successors, or created a significant new concept, or created a significant or well-known work. Fails WP:NAUTHOR. RangersRus (talk) 01:12, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: As mentioned in the article, the subject was reportedly honored with the 'Padmabhushan Dr. Moturi Satyanarayan Award' in 2005. However, there is no verifiable evidence to support this claim, nor is there any significant coverage (WP:SIGCOV) available regarding the award or Subject. Baqi:) (talk) 11:38, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete No quality sources SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Xêro Abbas

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Semi-advertorialized ("on his return he kissed his land and this attitude of his was welcomed by the people with great enthusiasm and love") WP:BLP of a musician not properly sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. As always, musicians are not automatically entitled to have Wikipedia articles just because they exist, and have to show certain specific markers of achievement supported by reliable sourcing -- but this essentially just claims that he exists, expresses his significance in terms of flowery fluff like the quote I highlighted above rather than quantifiable achievements, and is referenced solely to a single unreliable source rather than any WP:GNG-worthy coverage. And the interlangs to the Arabic and Kurdish Wikipedias also don't feature any other reliable sourcing that could be pulled over to salvage this: the Kurdish one cites only the same unreliable source, while the Arabic one cites one different primary source and one circular citation to the Kurdish Wikipedia, neither of which are valid support for notability either.
As I can't read the Arabic or Kurdish languages, I'm willing to withdraw this if somebody who can read those languages is able to find sufficient GNG-worthy coverage to salvage this and neutralize the advertorialism, but nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was WP:SNOW keep. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 20:46, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Vasily Sitnikov

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This entire article is unsourced. It is also may not be notable, i was able to find a few russian sites writing about this person but i doubt they are reliable. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 17:13, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Looks clearly notable. A full-length feature film was even made on his life! BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:57, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - The article is completely unsourced; in the external links there is a link to a blog entry with and the link to the "documentary" is a dead EL link, and the WP article on the documentary is also unsourced, and simply has two external links one to IMDb (unreliable user submitted content) and a link to the filmmaker's LLC. The WP:BEFORE search I did only brought up commercial galleries and auction sites, which are primary connected sources that are non-independent. We would need more than that to establish notability. BeanieFan11 could you please present three fully-independent verifiable, published reliable sources that provide significant coverage (per WP:THREE) for this artist?
  • I have zero knowledge of Russian art, but he seems to be a legendary figure. A full-length feature film is obviously SIGCOV; then you have a book from 2022 on his life, dozens of book mentions, etc. According to the Russian Wikipedia some of his work is held by the Museum of Modern Art, the Zimmerli Art Museum at Rutgers University and other prestigious museums which would satisfy WP:NARTIST ([has] been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums.). He looks clearly notable; the inexperienced nominating user has been indiscriminately mass nominating dozens of random articles for deletion, almost all of which have clear keep consensuses. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - based on the sources found by BeanieFan11. Netherzone (talk) 23:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - added sources to article to show notability as an artist. Biographical claims remain unsourced. They appear to be mostly a direct translation of [https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2,_%D0%92%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%B8%D0%B9_%D0%AF%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87 un sourced Russian Wikipedia article. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - there are three reliable sources in the article at this moment. That’s sufficient for most articles. In addition, he has five works of art in the collections of MoMA, indicating that he passes WP:NARTIST. Bearian (talk) 13:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment - removed unsourced material. I hope someone can find RS about his life story.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Current sources clearly show that the article is eligible SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per BeanieFan11. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:43, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Lover (album). Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Lover Fest

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A cancelled concert tour that never came to realisation... actually this article already went through a previous AfD where the result was to redirect to the article Lover (album). Now that this article has been resurrected for unknown reasons, this is another time we put an end once and for all regarding consensus of whether to keep this article as a standalone one or revert back to redirect. Ippantekina (talk) 17:08, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect. Little to salvage here except a list of tour dates, which are not inherently worth keeping per WP:NOTDB. Astaire (talk) 17:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Speedy redirect to Lover (album). Nothing has changed since the last AFD and it doesn't need to go through the same process again. Esolo5002 (talk) 22:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Lover (album); fails WP:NTOUR. The tour--cancelled due to covid--is mentioned on the album article. Magnolia677 (talk) 22:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect, per above arguments. Since we're addressing this article, can we address Map of the Soul Tour too? Also a tour completely cancelled due to the pandemic. TenthAvenueFreezeOut (talk) 06:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

redirect. also it's now a hoax article. brachy08 _{(chat here lol)} 10:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:55, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Matty Macarthur

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No indication of meeting WP:SPORTCRIT or WP:GNG Daemonickangaroo2018 (talk) 16:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete (or Draftify so that it can be improved if/when Macarthur receives anything more than routine and statistical coverage). Paul W (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Draftify – There was a discussion with the creator of the article about establishing WP:GNG, indicating it for deletion is totally hasty/incongruous. Svartner (talk) 23:23, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Not enough independent sources to establish notability unfortunately. GMH Melbourne (talk) 00:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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TechNext

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Just mere mentions in the press. Article creator blocked as SOCK. Dmitry Bobriakov (talk) 16:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. None of the sources (at least the online ones) only contain passing mentions of the company; for example, source 2 literally just contains the phrase "The researchers have also launched a startup called Technext" and that's it. Others such as this source only give a small description of the company. Lacks WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:ORGCRIT due to the lack of significant coverage. Beachweak (talk) 09:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete – None of the sources contain significant coverage of the company itself with most of the mentions being trivial. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 16:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Silat. Clear consensus against a standalone, no objections noted to the redirect. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Istiadat Pewaris Penjurit-Kepetangan Melayu

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The article is poorly written - possibly machine translated from the mswiki article, with a number of longstanding issues that have not been fixed. In addition, my online WP:BEFORE searches showed no significant coverage of the topic in reliable sources - had the topic been notable, I would have expected some mention, somewhere on the Internet. Also, the references in the article seem to be tangential to the topic rather than directly pertinent, though I have not gone through them in exhaustive depth. See also this edit summary by Jdcooper, stating that, even after some tidying up on their part, the article is "still original research, lacking sources, possible WP:COPYVIO". I propose a Redirect to Silat, with the option of unredirecting in the future if a better referenced/written article were to come to light. SunloungerFrog (talk) 15:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete Seems like either a POV fork of Silat or an article about an organization within Silat but the language is so tortured I'm not sure which. Possibly some WP:SYNTH attempt to establish an org as being the true lineage of Silat. Regardless it's not well sourced and doesn't seem novel enough form the parent article to justify the fork. Simonm223 (talk) 16:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to Silat, just in case it is a genuine search term. Jdcooper (talk) 21:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:TNT. Clearly machine learning generated; one of the “references” is a genealogy chart of a person involved, which is a classic coatrack. It’s a long name, so unlikely to be used as a search term. Bearian (talk) 13:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:13, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

List of NME covers

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Fails WP:NOT policy (specifically WP:INDISCRIMINATE): This simply a collection of data. The list of ~3,000 items has no explanatory information and no claim that any of the entries are notable in themselves – if any are, then they can be discussed at NME. MIDI (talk) 15:49, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment: I appreciate the two previous AfDs which were 11 and 15 years ago. Both AfDs ended with no consensus, although the second had discussion for little more than 24 hours. Most of the keep !votes in them seem to revolve around the overall topic of NME covers being notable, which may be the case, but that doesn't mean a list of the covers is – an article on NME covers discussing notable ones might be a valid article (if it's not better filling out NME#NME_covers), but this article is just indiscriminate information. MIDI (talk) 16:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom in current form. The list also fails WP:LISTN. Perhaps something like Lists of people on the United States cover of Rolling Stone could be done. – The Grid (talk) 18:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Delete This is a job for the NME to perform or another specialist wiki, not us. Nate • (chatter) 23:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: But I would also vote to delete the Rolling Stone and Time cover lists. (Really, who reads these?) I think discussing the concepts of what makes their covers unique is notable per reliable sources, but a listing of everyone is listcruft. But I am in the minority. Why? I Ask (talk) 05:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete – Seems to go against WP:NOTDIRECTORY #1 because without context it lacks encyclopedia merit. Dawnseeker2000 00:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Wikipedia is not the right place for the list of magazine covers. Dympies (talk) 14:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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William Franks (landowner)

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William Franks was a british landowner that helped in construction of Fitzrovia District, Percy Street, Rathbone Street and Charlotte Street. This article was marked for speedy deletion due to lack of importance in 2015 but was shortly unmarked to help the creator expand it. A lot of new information and sources were added since then but i still think its is not notable. Being a landowner in British Empire does not make him automatically notable. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 15:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. No good rationale for deletion. Pure WP:IDONTLIKEIT. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:38, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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• Comment this is one of those really tragic cases where we have a genuine nice little story that's of interest, but it's in the wrong place. This article is basically a nice bit of local history research, but relies very, very heavily on primary sources of information. It should be published somewhere. But Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia based on secondary sources, not a place to publish research. I don't want to say delete because I enjoyed reading it, but it really, really doesn't belong here. Elemimele (talk) 16:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete - Disagree with the keep vote. The deletion rationale is clearly that this is not notable. It does not meet GNG because there are no secondary sources. Perversely, contrary to the keep !vote, it looks like we are actually thinking of keeping it because of WP:ILIKEIT. Or rather, we like the original research done by the writer of the page. And yes, that is a nice collation of the information from primary sources. I hope that Philafrenzy has a copy, and would suggest that a userfied copy be made available to them if this is deleted. But it is not an encyclopaedic page. This is the wrong project for this information. A site that could make use of much of this information would be Family Search, which allows user content to provide referenced primary source information about people. See [36]. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 08:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)
  • If you look at this editor's other AfD nominations, the rationale is almost always essentially WP:IDONTLIKEIT, which is why most of them have been rejected out of hand. They have also stated that they nominate articles for AfD because it's "relaxing"! Comments like A lot of new information and sources were added since then but i still think its is not notable and Being a landowner in British Empire does not make him automatically notable (italics mine) tend to imply this rather than a decent, properly thought out reason. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:56, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, I see that there were indeed rather a lot of nominations in quick succession, and that tends to overwhelm the effort at AfD. I am striking my delete in favour of a procedural/speedy keep. This was discussed recently in another context, and is sometimes allowed. My hope is that this will be closed as keep or no consensus with no prejudice against a better argued renomination (although perhaps not by the same nom.). My thoughts are unchanged. We don't have any secondary sources here, and this is the wrong project for histories synthesised from primary sources, but if we are going to take them down, let's do it in a more careful manner. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:18, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Scott Gendel

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This article has been marked as unnotable since April 2017. After checking the revision history of this article, I noticed that there were no significant improvements. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 14:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Reference 10, plus this article: [37], should be enough to establish notability. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  That's not an article. It's an advertisement. In a shop. Selling his product. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per User:SolxrgashiUnited, fails WP:GNG and WP:COMPOSER. GeorgiaHuman (talk) 04:11, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - I did a Google search, and from what I can tell, his version of Barbara Allen makes him almost a one hit wonder. That's it. Bearian (talk) 04:07, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Naved Aslam

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Fails WP:NACTOR. Unsourced BLP. No indication of significance. Fails WP:SIGCOV scope_creep^Talk 14:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• There is a reference so it's not unreferenced, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep: The subject has worked in numerous movies and has also been part of multiple television shows. Previously, the article relied on a single source, but I have now added several new sources to improve its credibility. The subject clearly meets the criteria outlined in WP:ENT. Baqi:) (talk) 12:36, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Till Thomsen

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A german curler who appeared once in the 1996 World Men's Curling Championship. There is nothing notable about him SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 13:46, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. Passes WP:CURLING for having played in the World Championships.-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per Earl Andrew. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete unless an editor can furnish several references to reliable sources independent of Thomsen that devote significant coverage to Thomsen. According to WP:ATHLETE, The article should provide reliable sources showing that the subject meets the general notability guideline.. Meeting a special notability guideline indicates that a topic likely meets the GNG, but is not a guarantee that it does. So, now is the time to furnish the evidence or let the article be deleted. Cullen328 (talk)

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Kaizenify (talk) 12:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Chris Begg

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Unnotable canadian football player. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 13:40, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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"Football" player? Clearly you did your research before nominating this article! Anyway, after a quick google search, it seems there are RS for him. He also played in two Olympics, which helps. So I vote keep-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

whoops... My bad! SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 14:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Lots of coverage in Gnewspapers when he was in the US baseball system [38], then some from back in Canada [39]. Oaktree b (talk) 15:14, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Here's another source. I presume there are more. – Muboshgu (talk) 00:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was speedy keep‎. WP:SNOW. (non-admin closure) BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

G. Maurice Hann

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A british socialist union organiser who did practically nothing to be notable. Other than being rewarded "Commander of the Order of the British Empire" in 1956, nothing notable can be found about him since then. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 13:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Nominator has not provided an actual policy or guideline for discussion. The reason stated so far is WP:IDONTLIKEIT. – The Grid (talk) 14:41, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. "Did practically nothing to be notable" apart from being leader of one of Britain's largest trade unions for ten years and then a member of the Industrial Court and being awarded a high honour for his contribution. I am sometimes at a loss to understand the logic of other editors! Clearly you need to sing a song or prance around on social media to be considered notable! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. 20 mentions in The Times between 1916 and 1953, 8 of which are reports of substantial labour agreements where he represented the unions; several others are News in Brief entries about him being appointed to new positions, which suggests The Times thought his career was worth reporting on. Adam Sampson (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep per my comment at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ivan Kuras. No reason for the Wikipedia community to entertain SolxrgashiUnited's wish to have 30 open discussions at the same time, largely met with keep responses. Geschichte (talk) 21:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, trout, and move swiftly on. Mccapra (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, leader of one of the country's largest trade unions, and recipient of a CBE. Article is fully sourced, looks like there are more sources out there which could be used to expand article. Warofdreams talk 22:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep as per Adam Sampson and noting that there are three or more reliable sources already in the article. Other than not liking labor unions, I don’t know why anyone would want to delete this. Bearian (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong keep as per Adam Sampson. Dormskirk (talk) 14:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Strong keep as per Adam Sampson. Ceriy (talk) 15:24, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Kaizenify (talk) 12:09, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

& (Theatre)

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Article fails WP:GNG. Some of the references are not reliable. Nxcrypto Message 11:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. There are other sources easily found, like this one, or this one, to give a couple of examples from the national Finnish broadcasting corporation, in addition to what's already in the article, after a quick search. /Julle (talk) 03:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per Julle. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Kuching Urban Transportation System. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

BRT Kuching

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Article does not satisfy notability, no significant coverage of the plan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by N niyaz (talk • contribs) 10:34, November 28, 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect to the main article Kuching Urban Transportation System. — Maile (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Not sure about that merge target, but also don't think this proposal that apparently didn't go anywhere is notable. Transportation in Sarawak existed once, but was deleted. Tricky. CMD (talk) 12:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect I'm the sysop who declined a speedy deletion tag on this page, thinking the community should have input and suggesting this procedure instead. I don't see the harm of a redirect to Kuching Urban Transportation System, but I would have no objection if the community decided it was just a cited plan never executed and deleted it. BusterD (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Shugavybz

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Yet another article on a musician who has done literally nothing notable to pass WP:NMUSICIAN. Sources from here and a cursory search suggests nothing useful. They're either interviews with the subject, or routine coverages that are entirely dependent on the subject. This is, as usual, a properly written article from the author on a non-notable musician to pretend notability. Also, the TurnTable Certification System of Nigeria is dubious in its entirety. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 12:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Delete: Most of the sources are either puff pieces that are meant to confer notability on him or interviews. Ibjaja055 (talk) 21:17, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Asad Ahmed

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Reliable sources lack in-depth coverage of this subject, with only three cited in the article. Two of these are questionable and potentially unreliable, leading me to conclude that the subject does not satisfy WP:GNG. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:28, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep likely meets WP:GNG. Some of these should help: [40], [41], [42], [43], [44], [45], [46], [47], [48], [49], [50], [51], [52]. Thank you. Gheus (talk) 12:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

It’s quite obvious that you have marked this for deletion because you are jealous. Anyone who grew up in the 80s in Karachi will say that Asad was one of the pioneers of rock music in Pakistan. 2601:155:27F:FE40:69DD:37CD:EF82:703 (talk) 23:43, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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Keep per Gheus. Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 11:49, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

The La Donnas

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Fails WP:NBAND. Been on the cat:nn list for more than 10+ years. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 08:05, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete - They have a two-sentence biography at AllMusic ([53]) and a regional newspaper article ([54]), but that's all I can find beyond the usual streaming services and occasional blog posts. They're kind of close to notability but can't quite meet the WP:THREE standard for reliable sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:07, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I added 11 reviews directly to the article [55]; though mostly underground publications, the sample at least includes some of the more notable ones (Maximum Rocknroll) and from two continents. I'm curious to see if there is any newspapers.com coverage (which is not working at the moment.) Geschichte (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Are they WP:MUSICRS references, as a lot of them looks small blogs and profiles. scope_creep^Talk 15:20, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think any of them are blogs, but some of them are zines. Also I would have liked for the Allmusic review, for instance (and the Allmusic bio) to be a lot longer. Geschichte (talk) 15:50, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep sources identified by doomsdayer520 are a good start and Geschichte has found a number of reviews in a variety of sources, some of which are RSMUSIC. Sufficient presented here to presume notability. ResonantDis_tortion 23:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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Amadeus Capital Partners

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Fails WP:NCORP. Insufficient WP:ORGCRIT sources to prove notability. Imcdc Contact 11:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• See Anne Glover (businesswoman) fpr the founder. Chipka (talk) 13:44, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  See WP:NOTINHERITED. This is about the firm not the founder. Imcdc Contact 04:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was speedy keep. (non-admin closure)‎ Geschichte (talk) 19:01, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Earl Reisser

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Unnotable american football player. All references listed in this article are broken. I couldn't find anything about him on the Internet. SolxrgashiUnited (talk) 11:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep. The obituary from The Courier-Journal (here) is WP:SIGCOV, and together with the other sources (e.g., this and this), there's enough to satisfy WP:NBASIC. Cbl62 (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep, per Cbl62's sources. Maybe speedy? This editor with little experience has been mass nominating random articles, almost all of which currently have clear keep consensuses ([56]). BeanieFan11 (talk) 16:42, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. This new editor (< 1 month editing) has now nominated 19 quick AfDs today.Cbl62 (talk) 20:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Meets GNG per above sources. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 18:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Of course you're not going to find many things on the Internet about a sports player who was active in the early 20th century, but the sources listed above by Cbl62 show enough notability to warrant an article. Procyon117 (talk) 07:20, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - I agree that he meets GNG, especially given the vintage decades before the internet existed. Notability is not temporary. Rlendog (talk) 14:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to List of mayors of Lancaster, Pennsylvania. Any individuals found to be independently notable can be spun back off. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:14, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

William Stauffer

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Fails WP:POLITICIAN. Mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania, is not notable in itself. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:02, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they were also only mayors of Lancaster, with one exception (see below):

Samuel Carpenter (mayor) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Mathiot was also sheriff of Lancaster County and an alderman.[57] Clarityfiend (talk) 10:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect all to Mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania as an ATD. Articles about mayors need to pass WP:GNG and illustrate their notable accomplishment and legacy while serving in the role. --Enos733 (talk) 16:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I'm sympathetic to generally keeping the mayors of the top 50 U.S. cities, state capitals, and largest city in each state, but this town is the 10th most populous in a state and appears to have never been a top 50 city so I'd lean delete. However, someone should do a WP:BEFORE on each mayor to make sure they don't meet notability guidelines for something else (former/future mayors frequently serve in state legislatures for example). TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 19:54, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  One assumes the nominator has done a proper WP:BEFORE on the individuals. Is that indeed the case? Djflem (talk) 18:11, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think so. I just did a check of the PA House and Senate and Christian Kieffer served in the state house. The rest appear to have never served in the PA state legislature. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 06:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• I did so check (see Mathiot). I just missed the one (and only one) ghit for Kieffer. (And why do !voters keep not putting the asterisk at the end, where it actually does something?) Clarityfiend (talk) 06:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect all to Mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania as best ATD, a preferred outcome. Djflem (talk) 16:07, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment There may be enough to establish notability for John Mathiot, as he held a number of local offices including postmaster. Not sure if there is enough at hand to pass GNG, but a search of newspaper archives may be fruitful. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 21:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Local offices like that (I have already listed some for Mathiot) aren't really enough to confer notability. Clarityfiend (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

• Just noting that Mayor of Lancaster, Pennsylvania is not an appropriate Redirect target because it is a Redirect, not an article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 08:43, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 11:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Henry Stauffer

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American immigrant who doesn't satisfy WP:BIO. Clarityfiend (talk) 09:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Appears to be a niche family history project, with nothing really for Wikipedia. I don't see notability. Oaktree b (talk) 21:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:24, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Operation Čapljina

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The "Flow of the operation" section of this article, which concerns the actual subject of this article, is unsourced. The comprehensive CIA history of the Balkan conflicts of the 90s, Balkan Battlegrounds mentions this operation only in passing, in fact in a footnote, not even in the body text. Another article of dubious notability created by new accounts that have popped up in the last few months. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete fails WP:GNG. Another poorly sourced page by its creator. Mztourist (talk) 10:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
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Delete per Mztourist and nom Cooldudeseven7 _{join in on the tea talk} 12:21, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Garda Panteri. ✗plicit 11:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Branko Pantelić

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Fails WP:BIO as subject has no notability, no WP:ANYBIO pass and lacks WP:RS. Seems like WP:NOTMEMORIAL breach. Mztourist (talk) 08:15, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• DeleteRedirect to Garda Panteri, non-notable field rank officer, lacks RS, smacks of MEMORIAL. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 23:20, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Modified my delete to redirect per The Bushranger. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 03:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Weak keepRedirect - Recipients of high-level awards are generally considered notable, the question is whether the second rank of the Order of Karađorđe Star of Republika Srpska, which he appears to have received, passes that bar, or only the highest rank. If it doesn't pass, then redirect to Garda Panteri, the unit he commanded that was renamed in his honor after his death. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:16, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment IMHO, the Order of Karađorđe Star of Republika Srpska is a fourth level sub-national award, and in any case, this is a lower grade of the award. As far as RS awards are concerned, only the Order of the Republika Srpska (awarded to Ratko Mladić) and maybe the Order of Nemanjići which is specifically for prominent military actions, would even be close to meeting the "high-level awards" notability bar for soldiers. Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 00:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Thanks - looks like a Redirect then. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 02:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 11:53, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Gilman Louie

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non-notable person who created an article about themselves. 1keyhole (talk) 05:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Weak Keep The article has been expanded since creation, and Gilmanl's current authorship is around 3%, so I'm not too concerned there. Notability is the bigger concern. The coverage in The Christian Science Monitor is significant, reliable (see WP:CSMONITOR), secondary, and independent. Finding a second source is harder. Most other sources the article cites are not independent, unless the government [58] counts as independent. A Vox article [59] I found may have significant enough coverage, or it may not. More than one sentence addresses Louie directly. Regardless, being on the Foreign Affairs Policy Board might mean WP:NPOL applies. I'm at a weak keep for now. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 07:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
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• weak keep: This is from an old magazine [60], with the Christian Science Monitor, should have enough. Oaktree b (talk) 16:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: Not sure if this is the same person [61], was involved in Tetris coming to popularity. Oaktree b (talk) 16:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Well I just saw a page about this guy in a Time magazine from 1989 (San Francisco October 17). It was in an ad by Commodore for the Amiga machine. Curious how this possibly influences this discussion. (I have pictures but am not sure of the recommended way to add them here. I don't have so much experience with this. Anyone curious to see them could give me pointers.) Tamedu quaternion (talk) 05:29, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to Efforts to impeach Sara Duterte. There seems to be a general sentiment that we should cover this person somewhere, but maybe not in a standalone BLP, and at last, a proper redirect target has been identified. Any content worth merging can be pulled from the page history. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Gina F. Acosta

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Fails WP:NPOL. A staff member at the Office of the Vice President of the Philippines does not count toward WP:NPOL Ibjaja055 (talk) 05:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep – Multiple secondary sources such as The Philippine Star, Daily Tribune and GMA News Online have covered this government official from the Office of the Vice President (OVP). The OVP's questionable use of confidential funds under VP Sara Duterte has been among the top issues discussed in Philippine politics this year, if not the topmost (alongside tensions in the South China Sea and the POGO menace), and much of the Philippine media has been extensively covering the hearings conducted on this matter by the House Committee on Good Government in the past few months ([62][63][64][65][66]).

On November 5, Acosta was among the seven OVP officials who issued a position letter asking that the house congressional inquiry into their budget use be terminated ([67]), and by November 11 was among the four OVP officials ordered arrested based on a contempt citation issued by the committee for their non-attendance at the hearings ([68]). During the November 20 hearing, OVP chief of staff Zuleika T. Lopez and a branch manager of Land Bank of the Philippines gave testimonies that pinpointed Acosta as the OVP official who directly handled the confidential funds of the vice president ([69][70]). The varied independent coverage cited in this paragraph alone, in my view, merits notability for the article; further coverage in the media is also anticipated in the aftermath of the testimonies given in the Nov. 20 hearing. LionFosset (talk) 06:09, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@LionFosset All the sources you mentioned are good but they do not count toward WP:GNG sources. The subject fails Wikipedia criteria for politician and non WP:GNG sources cannot be used for WP: SIGCOV. Please read more about WP:NPOL. Ibjaja055 (talk) 06:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• This person has not ran for public office i.e. not a politician, so I don't know how WP:NPOL applies. She appears to be more of a career civil servant or a bureaucrat. This person is notable for one event which is on Sara Duterte's alleged corruption, so the best solution is to merge and redirect this with the article that discusses that, or if that doesn't exist, transform this BLP article to such an article. Howard the Duck (talk) 12:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Howard the Duck That's an insightful suggestion. Ibjaja055 (talk) 16:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Howard the Duck You took the words right out of my mouth: Acosta is not a politican. Though I concede to the fact that the person is largely notable for one event so far (i.e. Onel de Guzman, a private citizen who created the ILOVEYOU virus), numerous secondary sources have covered the person not just as a probable participant in Duterte's unusual confidential fund use from 2022 to 2023, but as a government official ordered to be arrested after she was cited in contempt for her continuous absence from house committee hearings in spite of two subpoenas ([71][72][73][74]). LionFosset (talk) 17:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  @LionFosset All the sources you provided do not count toward WP:GNG because they lack the WP:SIGCOV of the subject. Ibjaja055 (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Will continue to give arguments on this matter soon, but I am posting here for reference (and maybe posterity) some stunning developments that just occurred within the past 24 hours in Philippine politics (1. VP Duterte refuses to leave the House of Rep. detention center holding her chief of staff Zuleika Lopez; 2. VP Duterte goes on a tirade against the House committee hearings and curses at President Marcos, his wife and House Speaker Romualdez, claiming to have already spoken with a contract killer to target them in the event she herself is assassinated; 3. VP Chief of Staff Zuleika Lopez faints from an anxiety attack at 3 a.m. and is brought from the detention center to a hospital; 4. Executive Sec. Lucas Bersamin deems VP Duterte's statements an "active threat" against the administration). LionFosset (talk) 06:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  All the more reason to merge and redirect as per my argument above. What's notable is what's happening, not her. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  I am considering moving the current article or redirecting this BLP to a new article entitled 2024 Philippine congressional hearings on Sara Duterte, or to Mary Grace Piattos scandal. This is similar with what the proponents in Talk:Alice Guo#Requested move 24 May 2024 on moving that article to "2023–2024 Bamban raids", only that it was overtaken by the fact that Guo had surely attained notability and deserves a biographical article, unlike this person, or the pawns of Sara Duterte, the Marcoses, Romualdezes and everyone else. Howard the Duck (talk) 01:27, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Howard the Duck: I would be amenable to this, actually. However, use the former title (with some tweaking), not the latter. "Mary Grace Piattos" is just one of the many details questioned in the confidential fund use by the OVP. LionFosset (talk) 03:57, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Acosta falls ill during the Nov. 25 budget hearing (and brought out of the premises to VMMC with VP Duterte in tow) after admitting that she disbursed the confidential funds to the VP Security Chief in 2022-2023 on Duterte's orders. She is the second VP aide to faint and be brought to VMMC after Lopez. Humorous note: The Akbayan Partylist memefied the Duterte-Acosta photo. LionFosset (talk) 18:54, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm leaning towards a merge and redirect. She only got significant coverage because of the current issue with Sara Duterte. But on her own, there might not be much justification to have a separate article about her. ---Tito Pao (talk) 02:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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It seems that there is no article to merge it to (LOL). If no one wants to work on a new article, or de-BLP this article, the default is to keep this article until such an article is made. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:20, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Strike that. We already have an article, Efforts to impeach Sara Duterte. This article and Zuleika T. Lopez should be at the very least redirected to that article. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:35, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was merge‎ to Characters of the Tekken series and Characters of the Soulcalibur series, as appropriate, and then convert to redirects/DABs as needed. Vanamonde93 (talk) 23:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Yoshimitsu

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The reception section is a mess of listicles and "anything not nailed down" types of articles. While there can be some degree of commentary gleamed for Yoshimitsu, it's brief and often repetitive. Even checking sources I've used in the past for Soulcalibur characters doesn't offer much at all. There's just no meat on this bone that I can find. Kung Fu Man (talk) 05:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Honestly, I'm leaning forward to being neutral in this situation. I feel like there's a chance the character might be notable since they have been involved in two fighting game franchises and have almost appeared in every main game of each franchise and gone through multiple distinct designs. Otherwise, the best source I could find about Yoshimitsu is [75]. These sources might also help [76], [77], [78], [79], and [80]. Aside from that, this character has three incarnations throughout the Tekken and Soulcalibur franchises, so if the character information is going to be merged, then the Tekken version of Yoshimitsu should be merged in Characters of the Tekken series, and the Soulcalibur version of Yoshimitsu should be merged in Characters of the Soulcalibur series. Kazama16 (talk) 07:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• The Den of Geek one is the strongest source coupled with Jasper's commentary on the Tekken character ranking list. The main problem though is that the Game Rant and CGMag refs are echoes of some of the commentary from that one on the designs and could be summed up as "his appearance changes frequently", PushSquare is basically death battle commentary in this case, and The Gamer and 3DPrint refs are both about fan works (I checked to see if the designer on the latter had some notability that could help but no dice). I feel there may not be enough actually said for SIGCOV when the sources are lined up is my concern.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 08:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Redirect Just not notable. The WP:GNG is clearly failed here. If this page is redirected, it should be moved and the DAB made primary. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Merge per others. Very little SIGCOV and a very clear-cut case of not much notability existing for him. I'd redirect Yoshimitsu (Soulcalibur) and Yoshimitsu (Tekken) to their respective character lists, since he's a character of two different franchises, and redirect Yoshimitsu (No distinction) to the DAB page to be the primary topic, per Zx. Both lists just redirect to his article, so content will need to be merged to them for the information to be retained. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:48, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: Per Kazama16's sources. Den of Geek (both of them) and CGmagonline are the strongest sources. Those two, plus GamesRadar and Bloody Disgusting and Game Rant, which all discuss his design and unorthodox fighting style, compared to other fighting game characters, may also be of some help. The more trivial sources can definitely be trimmed down, but overall, I feel this isn't redirect-worthy. I can see this being a Voldo type of situation, where most of the notability comes from his "freakish" design and unorthodox fighting style. MoonJet (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• Isolated, the Bloody Disgusting source would be good...but it's just saying the same thing as the CMag and previous Game Rant sources. Much like there's only so many times you can say "this character is sexy" in an article, "this character is freaky" starts to get repetitive fast.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge per others. This is borderline, but merge is a good WP:ATD that will WP:PRESERVE this in case better sources come along later. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Merge per others. 🍕BP!🍕 (🔔) 12:19, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 01:23, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Melissa Tan

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Other than winning the national Miss Universe in 2006, nothing of note can be found on her since then. – robertsky (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment. We certainly don't have to accept this because it is just an essay, but Wikipedia:WikiProject Beauty Pageants/Notability (beauty pageant participants) states that national pageant winners in the big four pageants (of which Miss Universe is one) are generally presumed to be notable. Meaning that its likely WP:SIGCOV exists. Given the year she won, it is possible the coverage was more offline than online as it was in the weird time period where everything hadn't yet shifted over even though the internet was up and running. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:10, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  Well... I tried doing WP:BEFORE through wikipedia library, and could only find two articles in 2007:

  • Civic thrill for beauty queen: [New Sunday Times Edition]

  Summary: About her purchase of Honda Civic.

  • Celeb style [Malay Mail]

  Summary: Interview about her fashion style.

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I’m not surprised. The pageant would have not been covered in the UK or the United States but would have been covered in Southeast Asia. The best sources are probably offline (at that time; maybe digitized now?) newspapers in Malaysia, and I don’t believe most are available through The Wikipedia Library.4meter4 (talk) 05:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

The above two articles were accessed through ProQuest in The Wikipedia Library and are from the two of the major newspapers in the country at that time. – robertsky (talk) 06:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, and they are both English sources which tends to cover a different type of content scope targeted more toward English speaking expats. I would expect better coverage in the Maylay language papers.4meter4 (talk) 06:14, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Passes WP:NBEAUTY. However, according to 4meter4, while she won in 2006 and media coverage may not have been as active at the time, it is likely that most of the coverage was offline. I have found a supporting reference here: China Daily, which cites Reuters as the original source.--— MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: Does this individual work in the fashion industry now? [81], [82], there's some mention of a fashion model in these sources. Oaktree b (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  @Oaktree b Yes, it is the same person. — MimsMENTOR ^talk 13:04, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Weak keep based on my and the other sources above. Just enough to confirm notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was draftify‎. Arguments for draftifying carried more P&G weight than those for retention in mainspace. Owen× ☎ 15:47, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMOTORSPORT as a driver who has only competed in entry level series (Ginetta Junior Championship and FIA Formula 4). Article is at best WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 02:38, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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*Keep: While F1A is an entry level series, it has a much greater level of attention than lets say a normal F4 championship. Also, she has done the Formula E all womens test. The article could do with some padding out though.<span data-dtsignatureforswitching="1"></span> AidenT06 (talk) 22:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Draft. Palmowski, is a F1 Academy wildcard driver, and since all F1 Academy drivers have pages, why not her? She is also the runner-up of the 2024 GB4 Championship and can be considered as a future prospect for female racing drivers. At least draft the page BurningBlaze05 (talk) 05:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

F1 Academy is an entry-level series, therefore its' competitors don't meet notability guidelines – WP:WHATABOUTISM is not an excuse. I have no issue with drafting, however "can be considered as a future prospect" is the definition of WP:CRYSTAL. MSportWiki (talk) 11:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Comment. I know nothing about this content area, but here are the sources I could locate: [83], [84], [85], [86], [87], [88], [89], [90], [91], [92]. I don't know how to evaluate content in this area which seems hyper specific to motor sports so I will leave it to others to determine whether this meets WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:SIGCOV. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: She seems to have enough coverage for WP:GNG - have added 3 new refs which are not simply database results listings. PamD 11:49, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. I have to agree with Pam. With the sources she added, and the ones I found I think WP:SPORTSBASIC/WP:GNG are met.4meter4 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: According to WP:N, she received significance coverage and pass WP:SIGCOV. Wyzoqaku (talk) 20:30, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep- Notable sportswoman. Moondragon21 (talk) 23:58, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

  With all due respect, I suggest you read the notability guidelines under WP:NMOTORSPORT - the subject does not come close to meeting any of the criteria for that, let alone a generic sportswoman. MSportWiki (talk) 08:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

  Draft- that does not mean she hasn't gotten any coverage because she has however it might be better to draft it 109.76.211.121 (talk) 17:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Keep She EASILY meets those guidelines unless you consider GB4 to not be a series of significant national importance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duds 2k (talk • contribs) 13:35, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

• Draftify – I have to agree with article creator User:BurningBlaze05 here; this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. The subject is 18, stepping up to F1 Academy imminently and coverage exists. Links 1 to 3 above are good enough; the rest are either WP:ROUTINE or primary. Moving it to mainspace this early was a mistake, but WP:POTENTIAL is high and several users seem interested in working on it. MSport1005 (talk) 13:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• Draft: per MSports1005 - subject could have clear notability/SIGCOV in the near future. Publication was too soon. GalacticVelocity08 (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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Draftify per WP:POTENTIAL. The article already has at least one reliable source, and a Google search brings up several industry specific sources.--DesiMoore (talk) 16:04, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: TOOSOON I think. Source 2 is the only RS about this person that's an article, not just a PR item or a race result. That's about all I can find. Oaktree b (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Draftify A young sportsperson with decent coverage that is probably not enough to meet WP:GNG. However, the Autosport piece has about a dozen sentences of independent coverage of the subject, and other articles have some bits as well, indicating that WP:SPORTBASIC is met. "Meeting this requirement alone does not indicate notability, but it does indicate that there are likely sufficient sources to merit a stand-alone article." I think this goes beyond routine coverage and is a good start for an article. JTtheOG (talk) 21:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

  P.S. I don't believe NMOTORSPORT has much relevance anymore anyways following WP:NSPORTS2022. Either coverage exists or it doesn't. JTtheOG (talk) 21:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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Paul Tuschinski

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Alexander Tuschinski has a penchant for writing articles about his family. First came the autobiography, then great-grandpa Demeter Ritter von Tuschinski, then grandpa Constantin Ritter von Tuschinski, and now papa Paul Tuschinski. I have my doubts about all of these, but this latest iteration of Tuschinski fandom really is a bridge too far. He was a minor academic with a handful of publications who never even managed to become a professor. He apparently helped his son hold the camera while the latter was shooting his film, a dubious claim to notability. Half the sources are links to his meager output, the other half a smattering of random trivia. Per WP:PROF, there is no reason to keep. — Biruitorul ^Talk 09:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Thank you for your feedback. The articles I write rely on many sources, I aim for a neutral, encyclopedic tone, and I am transparent who I am. Therefore, to me, the usage of terms like "fandom" in your critique appears inappropriate and unwarranted, and I respectfully ask to discuss the articles, their specific merits and potential issues in a more neutral tone, independently of who the author is. I write about my ancestors because I do know about them - I aim to write articles in a neutral style and fashion, in a way as if I were not related. Since I am related, I take particular care to use as neutral a language as possible, and only quote named sources.

Of course, I welcome a discussion if this article on Paul Tuschinski is eligible for inclusion in Wikipedia, no matter the result. To address concerns: "He apparently helped his son hold the camera" is not what the sources say or what I wrote in the article. In several interviews, I credited his importance on my early works in numerous facets - the IMDB listing of his credits is incomplete. The listed academic publications in Romania are an excerpt (ones I could locate quickly), in the next months, I do plan to research more of his 1970s/80s academic publications. Given the difficult political climate in Romania during that era for academics, your remark "who never even managed to become a professor" isn't a wording I would personally use - if professorship is an objective criteria required for eligibility regardless of country and era, I do understand the concern, though again, I respectfully ask for a more neutral wording in discussing.

You briefly express having "doubts" about the articles on Constantin and Demeter. While this is not the place to discuss other articles, particularly those articles took several months to compile from online and archival research, naming many sources that are linked, and I am convinced they add important facets of Austrian-Hungarian and Romanian history to Wikipedia - which several historians have attested to me, as well. Please feel free to reach out to me to discuss those doubts if you like. Best wishes. ATuschinski (talk) 14:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Does not seem to pass academic notability, there are no hits in Gscholar or Jstor, does not seem to have an h-index that I can see. I don't see notability otherwise, this is simply a biography of an individual, seeming to exist around other somewhat more notable people. Being thanked in a film is fine, but we need more than that to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete As noted in the !vote above, there's no indication that the subject passes the academic notability guideline or any other relevant standard. XOR'easter (talk) 04:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Camera operator and non-author contributor to a reference book are not claims of notability and there seems to be nothing else of note here. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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Crew-served weapon

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Fails WP:DICDEF. Only one, apparently unreliable source. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:00, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I suspect there's only one source because the creator was lazy. This is a very common term in military circles. I don't as yet have an opinion about Keep or Delete. Intothatdarkness 18:17, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep common concept of weapons systems. Lack of RS on the page not determinative. Mztourist (talk) 07:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  This is a WP:SOURCESEXIST argument, so please state which sources prove the article passes WP:NEXIST rather than just implying they might exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Did you do any kind of search before you nominated the article? The Google Books search alone turned up over 6000 hits, and Scholar over 600. Intothatdarkness 21:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  I did, and everything seemed trivial. WP:GHITS is relevant here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Over 6000 hits is not trivial. That you choose to ignore this is concerning. Grossman's "On Combat" alone contains at least three references to crew-served weapons according to the Google book search, and one of those ties back to SLA Marshall's "Men Against Fire." Both works are hardly trivial. Intothatdarkness 13:26, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Common military concept and term is frequently used in both specialist and general literature. Intothatdarkness 13:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

  AfD is WP:NOTAVOTE, please include valid sources instead of claiming they exist. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - well-established term and concept in military circles. Yes, the article is in a bad state now, but Wikipedia has no deadline. I have concerns about the nominator's mass nomination of weapon-type related articles over the last few days, as well. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 22:20, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

  Please don't cast WP:ASPERSIONs. Furthermore, like others you have not expounded on what sources are there, this is WP:NOTAVOTE. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:09, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Comment ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ stop WP:BLUDGEONING the discussion. Mztourist (talk) 03:41, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

I do not think any part of my response pointed to me desiring to force people to change their mind, so it is not bludgeoning... On the contrary, I want to see what kinds of sources people are claiming to possess, which is a legitimate question. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:00, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

You have been here long enough to know that it is BLUDGEONING. Mztourist (talk) 07:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Soft-redirect to Wiktionary: which already has an entry for it. Multiple routine mentions, or being a well-established term, aren't sufficient for notability per our guidelines. Owen× ☎ 15:14, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Notability is not shown. No objection to turning it into a redirect. Nurg (talk) 19:57, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. A few editors have claimed that there is sufficient sourcing for an article beyond a dictionary definition, yet no sources have been provided here. Cortador (talk) 06:18, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Andrei Polgar

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Page`s notability might not meet Wikipedia's standards due to a potential lack of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. RodrigoIPacce (talk) 11:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Delete. An analysis of sources:

Can't access source 1, source 2 is unreliable, sources 3, 5, 7, 8 and 12 just have one or two videos from his channel without any mention of Polgar himself, source 4 is a self-published blog, source 6 is just a video, source 9 is his YouTube channel, source 10 is a...course(?), same with source 11, with just a link to his YouTube channel at the bottom, no idea what source 13 is but it's unreliable anyway, sources 14 and 16 are Amazon links, and source 18 is a duplicate of source 6. Sources 15 and 17 are the only ones that mention Polgar by name at all, with 17 being an interview and 15 just talking about his books on Amazon.

In other words, not a single reliable or significant source, aside from possibly 17. Procyon117 (talk) 07:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I have added few more sources, please have a look. Herinalian (talk) 19:35, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - passes WP:AUTHOR. His works are being used by the Open University,[93] The University of Manchester,[94] The Canadian Encyclopedia[95], the California Council on Economic Education.[96] etc. Herinalian (talk) 19:25, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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William Asa Vines

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Not notable business person. Lost in Quebec (talk) 09:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: non-notable bank director from a century ago, I don't even see much sourcing in the article. Outside of those, you can only find Ancestry.com records. Oaktree b (talk) 15:16, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Wedding customs by country

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Wedding customs by country is too unwieldy and too vague to be useful to anyone Drew Stanley (talk) 06:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment I don't actually have a problem with the subject-matter, because an overview of interesting wedding customs is very much an encyclopedic subject, and easily sourced. It is indeed unwieldy if each section becomes too detailed, but it can always have "Main article..." links to longer articles. But the current title is fundamentally wrong. It should be Wedding customs by culture or something like that. Taking one small country, that's part of a larger unit, namely "England", we have large communities who've lived here for generations but whose culture traces back to something else, and whose weddings have more in common with an Indian wedding (for example) than a horse-and-carriage pretty village church archetypical "English" wedding, and yet these people are as much part of England as I am and their customs are now as much a valid part of English life as mine. If the article must do it by country, it will certainly be way too unwieldy, because the "England" section alone will have to address almost every wedding custom seen in the world. Elemimele (talk) 12:51, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

then it would still be better to delete and make a new article based on existing wedding customs-related articles; it would be better sourcesDrew Stanley (talk) 19:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep -- the broader topic and grouping is clearly covered by cultural scholars--not just individually but as a comparative study between countries. While I understand OP's concerns, I don't actually believe this article is so bad we need to WP:TNT it. And for better or worse, when it comes to a lot of these cultures where we won't have the manpower to put together an entire article about their wedding culture, "by country" serves as a useful base divider. Alyo (chat·edits) 17:54, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: Article seems fine as a broad overview of the subject. It's fairly lengthy with some decent sourcing. I see no reason to delete it. Oaktree b (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep I don't see any reason for deletion. Good sourced and interesting matter. Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:58, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep gleep fleep flip florp glip glorp beeeeeeeep, etc, seems perfectly notable. Hyperbolick (talk) 20:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep -Rework the format. As is, this is a bit of a mess that is duplicating what is already out there elsewhere. Here's a solution: keep a lead introduction paragraph, and sort the rest into an orderly list. Set up a table format similar to Women in Guam History. The left-hand first column would link a country main article. Next to the column on the far right, no more than a sentence or two about each item . Use the far right-hand column for any reference. It might take a team to complete. But it would sure improve this mess. — Maile (talk) 00:46, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per Hyperbolick, who I think is referring to WP:IAR. Who doesn't love a wedding? Normal editing processes can fix the issues that are in the article. Bearian (talk) 04:37, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Really just mean it's obviously WP:LISTN notable, though. No rule-ignoring required. Bleep bloop. Hyperbolick (talk) 06:48, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

Emirate of Banu Talis

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Appears to fail WP:GNG: no English-language sources seem to mention this tribe or emirate at all, much less any indication of significance. At least some of the cited sources do not appear reliable, such as this webpage with no clear scholarly credentials, or the vague citations to an online transcription of Ibn Khaldun ([97]), a primary source. Much of the article is also poorly cited and may include WP:OR. If there's some alternate spelling of the name that yields accessible and reliable sources, you can mention it here; I've tried to search for a few other alternatives and still found nothing. R Prazeres (talk) 07:33, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep not a hoax and certainly existed. Of the sources provided, 2 and 5 are no use as they just link to Google book index pages and not to actual text pages, but the other refs all check out. In addition I found this and this. The ar.wiki article is a very short stub and this much longer article has many unsourced statements that could be trimmed out, but it needs editing, not deletion. Mccapra (talk) 08:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Fiordland Trails Trust

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WP:SIGCOV. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 06:29, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Oppose. There are multiple articles published in The Southland Times that describe the activities of the Fiordland Trails Trust over the past decade. I have listed a group of citations from The Southland Times on the article talk page Talk:Fiordland Trails Trust. I think the article warrants expansion rather than deletion._Marshelec (talk) 01:01, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I have had second thoughts _Marshelec (talk) 20:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete. @Marshelec lists some additional sources, but I don't think repeated mentions in the same regional paper constitute significant coverage. The only other mention I can find is here [98]https://www.odt.co.nz/southland/bit-more-help-needed-popular-fiordland-trail , and that's not really significant coverage either, and might be a re-publication of one of the Southland Times articles; I just don't think there's enough there for a whole article. I think the current content could be turned into a couple of extra sentences on the Manapouri and/or Te Anau articles at best. JeffUK 11:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Replace with alternative article The content in the existing article is unsourced and I cannot find adequate sources to back it up. On reflection I have realised that it would be more useful for readers of the encyclopedia to have an article about the trails than the organisation that has planned and created them. So I have created a new article. See: Lake2Lake Trail There is more work to do, but this is a start._Marshelec (talk)

Tick-Tack

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No reliable source referring to "Tick-Tack" as a single; Most information stated derives from personal opinion instead of a reliable source (MOS:PUFFERY). George13lol2 (talk) 06:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• don't delete the whole article though! just change that bit 161.116.133.70 (talk) 08:03, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete or Redirect as per nom, in addition to failed WP:GNG with no WP:SIGCOV other than passing mention from I'll Like You-related reportings. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 15:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect to I'll Like You per standard protocol for album songs. No reason for an extreme solution like deletion here. Nate • (chatter) 22:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• I have rewritten the article to remove the MOS:PUFFERY issue, although the subject of the article itself is most likely not notable enough to deserve its own article. George13lol2 (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Even if you've removed the MOS:PUFFERY issue, the article will still most likely be redirected and the same thing happened months ago with ILLIT's song "Lucky Girl Syndrome", when it pertains to K-pop mostly, song articles are usually not as notable UNLESS they received significant attention. Eg. A pre-release single is usually notable but songs from albums that have already been released but receive a music video months later tend not to be. This0k (talk) 16:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Strong Keep The song has charted and although it is not a single can be kept as a song article. This0k (talk) 16:28, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep. This is borderline, as most of the sources talk about the song in the context of the album. But the song charted, and a bit of media interest was raised with the Ava Max English version "Baby It's Both". Binksternet (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per WP:SONG. I agree with Binksternet that it's borderline, but if the song charted then the article deserves a chance.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:22, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Rankings of 99 and 140, after one week, are nigh unremarkable. Still think redirect for now is proper. Nate • (chatter) 22:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Timōrātus

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Sources are WP:QS and extremely bloggy and they don't adequately support WP:GNG. I suggest deleting it. Graywalls (talk) 06:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment: the HM reference is good, and the Lloyd Harp IVM review would be pending on the outcome of the RFC regarding IVM. that's two sources, and we'd want three or four. I'm going to take a look before I make a decision.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 10:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
  • The only other coverage I can find that would be RS is from The Metal Resource, and it's mostly reviews. I think for now notability is definitely questionable.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:48, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

    Nobody is questioning the fact they exist. So the sources do reliably prove it exists. I'm satisfied with that. Graywalls (talk) 17:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

    Okay.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep Notable. This0k (talk) 22:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to War Eternal. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 08:05, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

As the Pages Burn

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Nothing from this article or a cursory search indicates that this song is notable on its own. Suggest redirecting it to the album War Eternal. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 06:17, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Redirect per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 06:27, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

Redirect per nom. Other than the sources already in the article, nothing else seems to pop out. Procyon117 (talk) 06:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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Vision of God Records

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WP:NCORP failure. Signs of public relations editing also noted in edit history. Graywalls (talk) 06:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete as there is no significant coverage of the subject in secondary sources. I managed to find this interview with Heaven's Metal, but the write-up is a small paragraph only and the rest is statements by the label owner in response to interview questions.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:56, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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Ronnie Harris (sprinter)

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Does not appear to meet notability guidelines, specifically "Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject"; does not appear to have received significant coverage in multiple secondary sources, to have been successful in a major competition, or won a significant honor, as described in WP:ATHLETE Stephen Hui (talk) 06:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep per these three sources. Left guide (talk) 06:47, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  All three sources clearly refer to a different Harris -- the Wikipedia article is about a sprinter, but the articles all refer to him as a middle distance runner. The Wikipedia article says he was born in 1956, but the second source says he was 31 in 1996 (i.e. born ca. 1965), and the third source says he was 21 in 1987 (so born ca. 1966). Not the same guy. Stephen Hui (talk) 07:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Ok. I'll take your word for it, struck my !vote accordingly. Left guide (talk) 07:19, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep, subject tied the world record in the 4 × 220 yards relay and was an NCAA Division I champion, was covered in e.g. "Harris Looking For Better Times". The Daily Progress. 10 Apr 1977. p. 34. Retrieved 5 December 2024. "Trackmen Ready For 1980". The Daily Progress. 4 Aug 1976. p. 13. Retrieved 5 December 2024. "Rushed to Russia: Harris takes whirlwind trip". The Daily Advance. 21 Aug 1979. p. 22. Retrieved 5 December 2024. "Sports Festival Was Not All Fun". The Daily Progress. 12 Aug 1979. p. 32. Retrieved 5 December 2024. I'll try to incorporate these into the article soon but wanted to get this out before everyone puts their !votes in. --Habst (talk) 11:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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*Delete Does not meet NTRACK and unclear if that threshold could ever be met, but some of the information above could be placed into more notable articles, such as the NCAA Championship. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• @Royal Autumn Crest, subject actually does meet NTRACK prong 2 for his international Universiade gold medal. He also tied world records in both the 4 × 220 y and 4 × 200 m. Of course, whether he meets NTRACK doesn't really matter as long as he meets GNG which I think is demonstrated above. --Habst (talk) 20:48, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

@Habst: If someone can add that information to the article with references, I'd be happy to alter my opinion. I see there is that box there, but wondering why it's not mentioned beyond that. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 00:32, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

@Royal Autumn Crest, thanks, I expanded the article and added some context on that medal. --Habst (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Okay, updating my opinion to Weak Keep Would like to see more expansion. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep, subject notable enough with multiple international accolades. ParvatPrakash (talk) 06:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was unanimous consensus to delete, with the two new accounts who !voted keep—both since WP:CHECKUSER blocked—excluded from this evaluation. The agreement is that the article fails to meet various components of the WP:NOTABILITY guideline, with WP:PROMO alongside WP:COI / WP:PAID likely serving as aggravating factors. Thank you. El_C 14:26, 11 December 2024 (UTC)‎

Mashiding Lomandong

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Non-notable person. All sources are either unreliable or PR, and I found no reliable sources online. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:45, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Weird. I had had this article speedily deleted on grounds of sloppy referencing, non-notability (a regular bureaucrat who happened to born into someone's family) and possible COI by its author. Resubmitting as these grounds still stand. Borgenland (talk) 16:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete; the only mentions of his supposed sultancy come from facebook and similar sites; don't see anything else that would establish notability. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 06:54, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Fails WP:GNG. The only news article I can find for this person was back when they were indicted by the Ombudsman.[99] AstrooKai (Talk) 14:05, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep; seems notable enough for a doctor; was mentioned in two Philippine government news as a chief of hospital together with parliament leaders. [100][101] Cinemyr Films 23:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC) — Cinemyr Films (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  Those are not enough to establish notability as they are plainly a trivial mention of the subject (Lomandong was only included because he expressed his appreciation to the donation), which fails WP:SIGCOV.

  It would be better if those articles gave at least a brief background about Lomandong himself. AstrooKai (Talk) 15:24, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep; In the official APO-Beta Epsilon 50th Golden Anniversary Book containing the acknowledgement and messages from Provincial Governor of Lanao del Sur Mamintal Alonto Adiong Jr., Congressman Yasser Balindong, Congressman Zia Alonto Adiong, and the organization presidents, the fraternal greetings of Dr. Lomandong is printed alongside them, containing his info background, occupations, and current positions including being sultan and regional director; marks notability. Slide 38-39 for his reference. [102] Rex 97Cavaliers 09:26, 6 December 2024 (UTC) — Rex 97Cavaliers (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  A promotional fratbook and a bunch of WP:ROUTINE greetings does not establish WP:SIGCOV. Further I suggest both of you two newborn and dormant Keepers come clean if you have any WP:COI. Borgenland (talk) 09:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  I agree. Besides COI, I'm starting to think whether they're sockpuppets or not, since Cinemyr is a very new account whose first edit was voting in this AfD (the user also failed WP:USERNAME) and Rey who seems to be a sleeper (since their last edit before this AfD was back in 2017). AstrooKai (Talk) 10:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Update: The two Keep here and the creator of the article in question have been blocked for sockpuppetry. Borgenland (talk) 18:05, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  Good to know, thanks for the notice. AstrooKai (Talk) 05:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• I’m not voting because I have a possible conflict of interest; it appears that I know one of his many relatives, Princess Potri Ranka Manis, who I just saw last night (to shamelessly name drop). I do want to clarify the facts. The family isn’t royal in the sense of sovereignty like King Charles III; they are more like his German third cousins who are deposed monarchs with regular jobs in medicine and nursing. Bearian (talk) 16:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per above. Also reference 5 is questionable at best. --Lenticel ^(talk) 02:28, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was no consensus‎. Nominators really need to explain the nominations better. (Please see WP:AVOID.) That is not a direct factor in the no consensus determination, but it may figure into why this AfD did not draw more discussion. Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 08:03, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Gary M. Hymes

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The sources Fail General Notability Guide and specific Notability Guidelines for WP:ANYBIO Ibjaja055 (talk) 04:53, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per nom. Coverage from current sources does not seem signficant. One nomination for Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Stunt Coordination does not satisfy WP:ANYBIO. A cursory Google search turned up an LA Times article involving Hymes [103], but the coverage of Hymes himself is not significant. PrinceTortoise (he/him) ^{(poke • inspect)} 05:55, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Notable stunt coordinator and meets WP:GNG, his Primetime Emmy Award nomination is notable [104][105]. He has coverage in Newspapers.com, Movie stunt men at Hardy Bridge, and The Los Angeles Times article is still a good source [106] but the article is actually more longer in Newspapers.com, Just call him 'The Publisher'. Those two Newspapers.com sources help show that he does meet WP:GNG and that he's notable. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 20:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Comment @MoviesandTelevisionFan: One nomination, even for a notable award, isn't enough to satisfy WP:ANYBIO. The Movie stunt men at Hardy Bridge article doesn't have a whole lot of information that could be extracted for encyclopedic purposes: He coordinated a stunts squad for Paramount's The Untouchables, he is (or was) affiliated with Stunts Unlimited (but not the action film), and he has a son. That's not nothing, but it's also not particularly in-depth coverage. Regardless, three sources is usually a good minimum. PrinceTortoise (he/him • poke • inspect) 07:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The award still brings notable significance and Primetime Emmy Awards is a notable award nomination/win. The two articles still both meets WP:GNG and there are information that can be added to the article. Movie stunt men at Hardy Bridge has notable information that can be added like before he became a stunt performer/coordinator, he was previously a race car driver. Hymes coordinated a stunts squad for Paramount's The Untouchables and he also has a child is still notable information that can be added. Also the Los Angeles Times Article, [107]Just call him 'The Publisher' has notable information that can be added like the films/credits he appeared on and stunt performed on, is a former champion motorcycle and auto racer and his work/issues related to The Publisher is still notable information that can be added. Both sources are still WP:SIGCOV which it states, "Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material". Both sources are in-depth coverage and it has notable and significant information about Hymes that can be added to the article. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 01:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Partofthemachine (talk) 03:42, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

Protecting Women's Private Spaces Act

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Why does this need its own article, given that it's just an internal House policy and not an actual law? Essentially all of this information is already covered at Nancy Mace and Sarah McBride. Partofthemachine (talk) 05:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep and rename to Transphobia in the US House of Representatives - Both of the BLP articles mentioned in the nomination are BLPs, which should be limited to their BLP parts. Whereas this article is broader about the overall Transphobia in the US House of Representatives since the election of Sarah McBride. Documenting this in this separate articles, so that people looking for it don't need to go to separate BLPs, especially since the current article also now already discusses even more such are Marjorie Taylor Greene's and others' follow-up, so now it would be even more split doesn't make sense. So per my comment at the RM discussion, renaming the article to cover the broad scope that it already does is the appropriate action, not deletion, as these transphobic actions in the House are well documented by reliable sources. Raladic (talk) 06:03, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep This article is about two proposed House bills in the 118th Congress. The House bathroom bill was made law as a House policy by the Speaker. The broader all federal-facilities transphobic Women-only space is pending. "Transphobia in the US House of Representatives" is an apt designation since the broader bill is being legislated in the House. These bills are much more in-your-face and unapologetically transphobic than vanilla transphobic bills like PROTECT Kids Act in the 118th Congress. There has been a concerted effort by Nancy Mace, MTG, Elon Musk, Megyn Kelly, Rachel Campos-Duffy, and their supporters to slap and publicly humiliate Sarah McBride personally.Arbeiten8 (talk) 09:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
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Keep and rename per above Snokalok (talk) 19:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep: per Arbeiten8. No need to redirect. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 03:03, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep because this caused a lot more outrage, media coverage, and controversy than most internal Congress policies. I wouldn't vote on renaming it, though. ApteryxRainWing | Roar with me!!! | My contributions 15:23, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep per above. This clearly passes the notability bar. As for the renaming proposal, that can be discussed after the afd closure (assuming the article is kept, of course). A. Randomdude0000 (talk) 18:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep and don't rename given that the requested move has failed. Astaire (talk) 14:08, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

  That move request was for a different title. Raladic (talk) 16:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep: As above. Meets WP:GNG Demt1298 (talk) 18:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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Samson Arega Bekele

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Non-notable businessman. All sources are PR, and I found no reliable sources online. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• I've added the {{not a ballot}} template on top, seeing how the previous AfD was filled with socks and SPAs. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 04:08, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

I did my research and read the previous AfD as well. The issues raised in the previous AfD were addressed. I do not think it is right to say sources are PR. For instance, the source with https://aec.afdb.org/ is from African Economic Conference (the equivalent of World Economic Conference in Africa) of African Development Bank (the equivalent of World Bank in Africa). My judgement is that an institution of this nature cannot be regarded as PR Source. Again, from my research, one of the sources TimesKuwait has been in the media space since 1996 and another The African Times have been around since 1989. These are independent sources in their own right. Another source - https://aviationbusinessjournal.aero/ is an influential aviation magazine. Since the subject is a top airline business executive, the rest sources are travel and aviation magazines including one that is associated with Havard. So I think the claim questioning the reliability of the sources is wrong. Again, compare the first article and this article and you will see that all issues violated by the first editor were fixed in this new article. The subject is a notable african airline executive in Africa and North America and I think it should stay with subsequent improvements as with all wikipedia articles. Cheers ! Astra Los Angeles (talk) 08:50, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Well, it's not a puffy as last time, but the "group vice president for customer experience" is very much a mid-level business executive, just above the rank and file. Sourcing now is largely from trade magazines, so nothing has changed since last time. Still a !delete. Oaktree b (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: The VP is not a mid-level executive. See this [108] Further research here [109] also shows that there are C, V, D and B level executives and the only category rated as mid level executives here are the B level [110]. VPs fall under the V-suite that are rated senior executives and their roles or level of power depends on the organization and the country. Let's refer to the company itself. The GVP is included in Ethiopian Airlines senior level leadership team as captured here [111] but debating whether VP is a notable position or not is not the main crux and we have to refer to the Wikipedia guidelines on notability here Wikipedia:Notability (people) to consider whether the subject meets the notability criteria. First, the sources are independent and sources like the African Development Bank and the African Business Club of Harvard Business School [112] both mentioned the subject's receipt of US Presidential Lifetime Award which recognizes his contributions. Ethiopian Airline is Africa's largest airline and the subject was its face in North America for two years. Even though the VP is a notable position, the subject is not listed here because he is a VP. He is listed here because he is covered by several independent sources (especially in the african aviation industry where he belongs), the role he played in the airline industry during the COVID pandemic as MD in Canada (that earned him the NCBN Business person of the year award in 2021) and the significant award he bagged in the U.S IN 2023 as contained in the sources. When you look at the profiles of many CEOs on wikipedia including the current CEO of ethiopian airlines, that of this subject has more weight. You can be an ordinary classroom teacher and do big things. In the african aviation industry, the subject has earned it. Astra Los Angeles (talk) 09:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Astra Los Angeles (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this XfD.

• Comment: For perspective, he is (or was) one in a list of 179 similar people [113], so this is very much not a notable position. Oaktree b (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Comment: That is a yet to be updated website page. This is the current page for Ethiopian Airline corporate executive Team [114] - the apex leadership and management team of the company. The subject is listed there. Astra Los Angeles (talk) 09:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  One from a group of 16 isn't really helping your argument; we aren't LinkedIn, where every person gets an article. Being listed on a corporate website does not in any way show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 05:27, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom and others. Non-notable businessperson, with shallow, limited coverage. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete per WP: MILL. Don't gaslight or sealion us that a VP of an airline is automatically notable. Bearian (talk) 04:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was redirect‎ to The New School. I assume this is the Redirect target article participants wanted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Gnarls Narwhal

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Simply not notable. Nearly all sources come from the mascot's university, which is too narrow. The remaining two sources are culture war churn pieces that don't say much. The creator, Mollystarkdean also has COI, as she is a New School professor. It would be better to include it either in the university's article as an example of their progressivism or as their sports team mascot. Ornov Ganguly TALK 03:37, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Redirect or Merge: to the article about the school. Just not enough stand-alone sourcing, non-primary sourcing, to have an article. Not fussed if we either redirect or merge. Oaktree b (talk) 15:25, 5 December 2024 (UTC) hi

  Shoot, forgot that was a separate procedure. Full support for this. Ornov Ganguly TALK 17:11, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or redirect: The subject of the article doesn't meet notability. BEFORE turns up nothing substantial, and the references used are either directly related to the New School or via unreliable sources. (See WP:GAWKER and the articles about The College Fix and Campus Reform.) JSFarman (talk) 17:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Redirect - to the university's main article. Fails GNG. A side note: it appears there is a whole suite of articles related to this school that would be better redirected, and the mother article needs a serious trimming. There are very few reliable independent sources anywhere in the entire suite of articles. 4.37.252.50 (talk) 03:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Even ignoring the potential cavassing, there is a snowball consensus to keep this page. charlotte ^👸♥ 02:54, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

David Joyner (business executive)

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WP:BEFORE reveals effectively nothing before being promoted to CEO in October 2024 (the lone exception being one 2023 press release, which does not contribute to notability). It also reveals nothing afterward. Joyner was therefore covered for a single day, and that was only in the singular context of a few national news articles which give extremely minimal coverage to Joyner himself. TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:26, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Subject fails WP:NBIO. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep In what way is the CEO of a major American Health Corporation "not notable?" Could you be specific? Gosos67 (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  A company that has such an intimate impact on millions of lives both financially and physically, should have its leadership structure remain public for obvious accountability reasons. 2A00:23C7:D501:1801:CC5B:C3E:888E:4F9F (talk) 22:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Not just that, but it's also a Fortune 500 company. Pidey (talk) 23:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  KEEP: this guy is notable enough. Apeholder (talk) 23:39, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep I understand the sensitivities given recent events, but Mr. Joyner is an important public figure as the CEO of a publicly traded major American corporation. Deleting his profile is a dangerous precedent and against the core mission of the Wikimedia Foundation. 73.25.155.67 (talk) 00:56, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete This reads like a brief press release about David Joyner. Whether or not CVS survives the current fiscal challenges is notable, but executives come and go. — Maile (talk) 03:10, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep The argument this comment presents for deletion is deeply flawed. It is grounded specifically in the idea that executive positions are transient by nature. But of course, that also applies to all public officials and public offices, elected officials and people in society who exert influence. By their nature, politicians come and go, but the communities they represent remain. The logical implications of this 'appeal to transience' argument then, are that every Wiki page related to specific politicians should be deleted, politicians also being transient office bearers. This is not an advisable precedent to set. 77.103.87.249 (talk) 18:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep I think that makes this a case for revision and expansion, not deletion. He is certainly a notable figure, as he is the head of the largest pharmacy chain in the U.S. PxBx (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep While I understand the criticism of the Before section of this page. This would simply merit an improvement of said section, not the deletion of the entire page. Chief Executive Officer of a major pharmaceutical company is a notable title to be held. While I do not question if this discussion started in good faith or not (as per the Wiki guidelines) I find it concerning that fellow editors would consider deletion based off of what I believe to be weak reasoning. Bubirkullaniciadi (talk) 21:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep

  The quality of the article should not affect the fact that this person is notable enough to have a page. We should instead add to and edit the page, and make suggestions on how do better write it. Bdonvr (talk) 00:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Health and fitness, and United States of America. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 03:18, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

  Keep 2001:56A:72D4:6F00:1A5A:ACF6:245E:7E22 (talk) 13:59, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

This is crazy reaction to the UHC CEO. Are you really that much of a shill?? Look at the company website it literally lists him as CEO. 66.69.57.207 (talk) 04:08, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

The article should remain up for the interest of the community. Also it is strange you are nominating it for deletion at a very convenient time when CEOs are trying to hide their digital footprints. I do not believe you are doing this in a genuine manner. The community should investigate possible collusion. LuffyDe (talk) 10:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

W 50.245.226.17 (talk) 17:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

I am an administrator and this is the goofiest aspersion I have heard on here in a very long time. If the nominator turns out to somehow secretly getting cheques cut from the... freaking...David Joyner gravy train(?) I will block them for WP:UPE myself and personally send you a hundred bucks. But otherwise this is a total load of dreck. jp×g🗯️ 18:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

As an attorney, I have it on solid information that UHC and other health-related companies have put together surveillance and wipe teams seeking, among other things, to limit unnecessary executive exposure online. Please provide the names and details for the nominators. I will track down all connections to law firms and other business interests to prove the nominators are being influenced. You will then owe me money. Simon perdorian (talk) 21:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

This seems very much like an attempt to 'out' editors. Knitsey (talk) 23:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

can I get $100 too? I'm not casting any aspersions or anything, I'm just broke. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 22:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep as the sources indicated by ErrorCorrection1 show he is a notable person -- not to mention the very likely possibility of a coordinated push to remove his information publicly. Gel-Veen (talk) 18:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep as he is clearly a notable person with reliable coverage. Aresef (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

KEEP the timing is too convenient for me to believe that this is a good faith submission. The question of deleting this page has never seen much support, and deleting it now would obviously just be in response to recent events, and not due to any valid breach of Wikipedia guidelines ~~~~ DnBpowerlistener (talk) 19:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Joyner is most definitely notable enough to warrant an article. Motioning to outright delete an article of a major executive when it's already been thoroughly written is not in anyone, especially the public's, best interest. Swipe4004 (talk) 20:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. This is an egregiously bad-faith deletion attempt fueled by pearl-clutching bootlickers. Nyalcoholic (talk) 20:28, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. I cannot imagine any reason why an executive of a public company shouldn’t have a wiki page. Absolutely insane that we have people protecting billionaires on this site. 73.11.237.25 (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep - public figure of a major corporation whose decisions can impact millions. We all know the real reason why there is a push to delete this information. If a CEO is that afraid then he should make better decisions or quit. COPhotog (talk) 22:15, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep, he’s sufficiently notable. If the article is poorly written, then we should rewrite the article to be better Snokalok (talk) 00:55, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep, the CEO is a notable individual in charge of a Fortune 500 company. Dc55555 (talk) 01:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep - He is a public figure of a famous organization and therefore there is no reason to eliminate a wikipedia page about him. If TheTechnician27 really is trying to clean up this article based on its own merits, then this is horrible timing and the article should be improved instead.

The only alternative to above is if the Technician27 has ulterior motives (not accusing, just hypothetical). In which case it 100% should remain.

From no angle does this article's deletion make any sense. RavenToLeviathan (talk) 01:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Speedy keep - Notability is well established and well sourced per ErrorCorrection1's research, though article should be improved nonetheless. That said, accusations that TheTechnician27 has ulterior motives are in deeply bad faith and don't have any supporting evidence. Altorespite 🌿 01:35, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep - This person is a public figure. The CEO of a publicly traded company should also have their biographical information published, as their actions could affect the stock price of the company. 72.240.228.130 (talk) 02:27, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. More notable that a TV episode, which Wikipedia deems notable. Also has reliable source coverage.

https://rhodeislandcurrent.com/2024/10/18/cvs-health-is-hurting-will-a-new-ceo-cure-its-financial-ills/ About his tasks at troubled CVS

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/10/18/cvs-to-replace-ceo-karen-lynch-with-exec-david-joyner.html

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/cvs-name-long-time-exec-david-joyner-new-ceo-wsj-reports-2024-10-18/

https://www.depts.ttu.edu/rawlsbusiness/advisory-council/david-joyner/ About Texas Tech, not about CEO

https://www.hillphysicians.com/staff/david-joyner From 2015

https://fortune.com/2024/04/03/time-for-facts-in-the-pbm-debate/ His ideas before being CEO

ErrorCorrection1 (talk) 06:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep There is no reason a chief executive of one of the largest health care companies on earth shouldn't have a page. ReiPeixe (talk) 21:31, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. David Joyner also received coverage prior to becoming president/CEO of CVS when he testified before the United States House Committee on Oversight and Accountability about pharmacy benefit managers and perscription drug markets. [115][116][117][118][119] Testimony that continued to generate controversy months later. [120][121] GeorgiaHuman (talk) 18:58, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Sources found by ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman demonstrate Joyner's notability. Thriley (talk) 19:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman.—indopug (talk) 12:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman, he has recieved plenty of press attention as the CEO of an S&P 500 company.Cthulhu Inc (talk) 15:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Seems to have notability. Padgriffin ^{Griffin's Nest} 16:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1, plenty of references to him in notable news sources. Maybe not notable enough for a statue, but certainly a Wikipedia article. Ohmsteader (talk) 16:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. It's pretty clear what is going on here. This page should remain for the time being. Even if this page isn't relevant, now isn't the time to delete it, per WP:NORUSH

DeVosMax [ contribs • talk • created media ] 16:49, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep It is evident whats going on here.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zazadawg (talk • contribs) 17:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Hello im cori (talk) 17:19, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Remikipedia (talk) 17:30, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. David Joyner is the CEO of a major corporation and as ErrorCorrection1 demonstrated, there are plenty of independent sources for WP:NBIO. It may be a stub at the moment, but that's not necessarily grounds for deletion. Much appreciated, friend! -Avery Trashmouth — Preceding undated comment added 17:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep Seems there's no real debate here and the keeps have the argument locked down. --Ipatrol (talk) 17:45, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. JDCMAN (talk) 17:48, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  Since there has been discussion about canvassing as a concern from other editors, there are a wide variety of notable sources for this individual. This has been beyond adequately displayed in the conversation chain here.

  If we collectively 100% completely ignore recent events in the industry as related and take all arguments on good faith, the original argument for deletion fails as there are numerous reputable sources for Wikipedia:NBIO to be satisfied. Per HorseDonkey, other CVS CEOs have also had standalone articles.

  If there are concerns over WP:NPOV, deletion is not an excuse to address NPOV issuers per WP:POVDELETION. JDCMAN (talk) 22:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman both said it well. –Fpmfpm (talk) 17:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

— Note: An editor has expressed a concern that editors have been canvassed to this discussion. A post on social media that has received over 100k views was created about this article, with talk about this discussion in the replies, at 16:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC). --Super Goku V (talk) 18:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep per the comments by ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. They are public figures and business executives of massive corporations, this should be publicly accessible information, especially on an encyclopedia like Wikipedia. MyJunoBaldwin (talk) 18:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. The CEO of the No. 6 company on the Fortune 500 is ipso facto notable. 199.66.14.55 (talk) 18:47, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. As mentioned by others, the request is very problematic but it's also extremely evident that deletion would be serving only the CEO in panic, as opposed to the public. Nagi603 (talk) 19:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep. There's no point in deleting this — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:1308:28F7:5E00:342C:4D8D:748F:14D3 (talk) 19:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep: Does not seem to be in good faith considering current events, as people above have proven notability — IмSтevan ^talk 19:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Speedy Keep per ErrorCorrection1, GeorgiaHuman, and others. Obvious WP:GNG pass. Sal2100 (talk) 19:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy Keep. At this point it's indisputable that it should remain, per everyone above me. Royal Scottish (talk) 19:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)RoyalScottish
• Weak Keep It looks like there are some quality references here, indicating that there are more out there, but I think expansion is required to cement notability. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 19:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep.:1. Public Interest and Notability

As the CEO of CVS Health, a Fortune 500 company and one of the largest healthcare organizations in the United States, Joyner is a figure of significant public interest. Leadership in a company that directly impacts millions through its healthcare services and retail operations qualifies for notability under Wikipedia's guidelines for biographies of living persons. 2. Corporate Leadership and Influence CVS Health plays a critical role in the healthcare industry, especially in pharmacy services, retail healthcare, and health insurance through Aetna. The decisions made under Joyner's leadership have far-reaching impacts on healthcare policies and public health. 3. Documenting Professional Contributions If Joyner has implemented innovative strategies, expanded access to healthcare, or spearheaded notable initiatives, these contributions deserve to be documented for public knowledge and historical context. 4. Precedent for Similar Profiles Wikipedia hosts profiles for CEOs of other major corporations, establishing a precedent. Deleting Joyner's page would diverge from this practice unless specific criteria for deletion are met. 5. Educational Value The page provides information about leadership in the corporate world and insights into how executives shape industries. This could be valuable to students, researchers, and professionals in related fields. 6. Transparency and Accountability Public documentation of corporate leaders fosters transparency, allowing people to better understand who is influencing large-scale healthcare decisions. Magnumchaos (talk) 19:55, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. See justification above from other users. FlaLibrarian (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. And should add information about CVS removing executive photos from their website. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/healthcare-industry-rethinks-risk-after-murder-unitedhealth-exec-2024-12-05/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grahamherbertrichardson (talk • contribs) 20:02, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. It's a stub but that's not the same thing as not being noteworthy. CallMeSalticidae (talk) 20:05, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Extraordinarily bad faith deletion nomination given the timing. Equally bad faith are the trivial and nonsensical "reasons" given for the deletion nomination. The article suddenly fails WP:NBIO? The prose suddenly reads like a press release? Now, of all times, this nonsense is going to crawl out of the woodwork? Discipline should be administered here. Tuh22823 (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. In contrast to TheTechnician27's post, Joyner was covered by various industry and national news publications for his work at CVS, including his strategic decisions at Aetna and CVS and the controversy about his congressional testimony. HorseDonkey (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per ErrorCorrection1 and GeorgiaHuman. Azkaiix (talk) 20:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Per ErrorCorrection1 and moreso GeorgiaHuman, but also by the very nature of being a CEO/president of a multibillion dollar corporation, he is notable. I also find that anon 77.103.87.249 relates the importance of wikipedia being an unbiased "middleman" resource, but I think that those who are accusing others of some conspiracy should temper their expectations. The article is lacking and it is good to keep wikipedia uncensored and impartial, but we should not jump to conclusions (à la what JPxG has said). Chrisblammo123 (talk) 20:40, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Merge with CVS Health. Just being a businessperson does not necessarily qualify you as notable, as others have said, and the coverage in the article's sources does not appear to be as in-depth as I think would make him notable enough for his own article. If he becomes more noteworthy in the future, the article can always be restored. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  I would also like to note that previous CEOs of this company do not have their own articles and I do not see what makes this guy so exceptional that he should have one. Archimedes157 (talk) 20:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Previous CEOs of CVS do have their own articles. Karen Lynch, Larry Merlo, Tom Ryan HorseDonkey (talk) 21:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Merge I disagree. Joyner has notable contributions outside his tenure as a CVS executive. These are spoken to directly in the article and have no place as subtext in the CVS Health entry. Anameanamewhatsinaname (talk) 20:50, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with the proposal put forward by user:archimedes157 Mfernflower (talk) Mfernflower (talk) 21:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep Subject is a public figure and has plenty of good sourcing; we are not a PR department for CVS Health, nor are we their safety department, and the sourcing is solid and there; I do understand that this AfD is now getting Twitter publicity, but even discounting anyone coming from there this is still a pretty broad WP:SNOWBALL. Nate • (chatter) 21:41, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep per above sources, passes WP:BIO and WP:GNG.--User:Namiba 21:43, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep i beleive this article should be expanded and photos should be included, the ceo of one of the largest health organizations should not be a stub--thewillmorgs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.166.251.109 (talk) 22:13, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: I feel like some people here are jumping the gun, and accusing the nominator of trying to protect a billionaire. Go back to the article as it was when it was nominated (Special:PermanentLink/1261253554); it only had 3 sentences. So, if anything, this nomination brough attention to the article so it could be improved, and consequently not deleted! All's well that ends well. — Avelludo (Talk / Contribs / Log) 22:34, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

  I am in awe in the quantity of assuming bad faith here. Like yeah it had 3 sentences... Half of the people here should get reprimands. WP:AGF, folks. win8x (talk) 01:46, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep. Despite the proposer's comments, Joyner does have substantial media coverage—more so than much created from here, for instance. It is also likely that he will gain more coverage in the future, given his position; while this is not a reason to keep, it is a reason not to delete where there is already a fair number of sources on him. He is also talked about in a manner distinct from personifying CVS; thus, unlike Archimedes157's proposal, his biography should not be merged with the article on the company. TE(æ)A,ea. (talk) 22:38, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Keep Clearly the broad consensus is keep. The page has been greatly expanded today. It shows there is widespread media coverage. Hard to argue anything else except that he is notable, worthy of this page being kept. InquisitiveWikipedian (talk) 22:53, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy keep: above commenters have provided plenty of coverage to justify keeping this article up. jeschaton (immanentize) 22:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep ditto, no reason for this to be removed, even if the article could be improved. Sontails1234 (talk) 23:58, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep The consensus is very clear, there is no good reason why this should be deleted. The subject is a public figure and the article has good sources. ~tayanaru (talk) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep Subject is the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, which by definition makes him one of the most influential and powerful people on the planet! Faulty (talk) 01:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Speedy keep: per other commenters and WP:SNOW. This is obviously an insane attempt to censor Wikipedia. –DMartin 01:33, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Weak keep. This is not as clear cut as some people seem to think and some of the conspiracy theorists are definitely showing their arses here. Nonetheless, I do think it is just about over the line for notability. The nomination seems to be rooted in WP:BLP1E but his appointment as CEO and his fractious testimony before a House committee are two separate and significant things. The Aetna thing doesn't add much but, even so, BLP2E, or rather the lack of it, applies. That said, I'd also like to defend the nominator from undue aspersions. The version that was nominated was much less complete than what we have now and it certainly did look extremely deletable. I could easily have made the same mistaken decision myself. (Full disclosure: I became aware of this AfD when I saw people talking about it on Bluesky and thought I should find out what was really going on.) --DanielRigal (talk) 01:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

  A lot of people keep bringing up BLP1E, but I don't think it really applies here. They're notable for being CEO, which is hardly a single event. William M. Brown has an article, despite not being notable before becoming CEO of 3M, nor was Stephen Squeri before becoming CEO of American Express, nor was Jonathan Brash before becoming an MP. Being the holder of the office is the thing that makes them notable. –DMartin 02:21, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - I have no way to speculate on the nominator's motivation, but in my opinion the article (as of the time I'm writing this) is more than sufficient to keep. Not entirely sure if WP:Speedy keep is relevant here, but at this point the results of this discussion appear to be leaning in a WP:SNOW direction.Andrew11374265 (talk) 02:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• Keep - The original argument made for deletion falls apart even with just the article in its current state. I understand that often with faceless businesspeople it can be difficult to ascribe them notability when the only outlets that describe them do so in the same manner with little basis for even a short biography, but evidently this is not the case with Joyner. His heading of the company has intersected him into the realm of politics, in which he has been specifically named by a congressperson as described in the current revision. He has multiple points of notability for different reasons, and the sources listed above only serve as an addition to what that biography could look like. Rman41 (talk) 02:15, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
• This article should not be deleted, as it violates no policy and contains no reason for deletion. The only presumable reason I could find would be that Joyner doesn't want the article (and his job) to be public knowledge, and, as the Biographies of Living Persons page clearly states: "In the case of public figures, there will be a multitude of reliable published sources, and BLPs should simply document what these sources say. If an allegation or incident is noteworthy, relevant, and well documented, it belongs in the article—even if it is negative and the subject dislikes all mention of it."Emphasis on the last sentence after the dash. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.17.225.71 (talk) 02:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Ozenic, Virginia

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Tagged as unsourced since 2022; there's a GNIS external link but this place name has apparently been purged from GNIS. This isn't an "unincorporated community", this was a village of the Powhatan confederacy, situated in 1608 on Chickahominy r. in New Kent co., Va. per this. This states that it was the closest out of a set of villages to the James River.

I can find nothing that provides further details. While I am sympathetic to the notability of extinct native settlements, the sum source of knowledge of this source is that somebody wrote in 1608 that this place existed. This would be WP:UNDUE weight to mention at the Powhatan article. Any further sourcing would be from 400+ years ago in an extinct language and almost certainly no longer exists. There's just nothing to say about this place other than that it existed in 1608, and I don't think that's sufficient basis for an article. Hog Farm _Talk 02:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Virginia. Hog Farm _Talk 02:01, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete No information found anywhere other than the sources given by nom, and no information to merge. Unlikely search term. Anyway, the artice was created as an informationless GNIS-dump, not as an attempt to document Powhatan settlements, and is flatly incorrect in calling this an "unincorporated community", so I'm comfortable with a delete. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as per all of the above. This is certainly not a currently existing community, nor is there any notability rationale presented in the article. TH1980 (talk) 02:41, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete With over 2,000 pages in Category:Unincorporated communities in Virginia, the majority of which like this one machine- or bulk-created 16 years ago with no expansion since, I recommend a bulk deletion of such non-notable places made by this user. I commend Hog Farm for his research that the creator didn't do, but there are hundreds and hundreds like this one, names simply lifted from a map to a database and then lifted to be articles that do not meet our notability standards, if not outright incorrect. Reywas92^Talk 05:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 03:36, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Claytonville, Virginia

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Unsourced since creation in 2006. This is on the USGS topos and surely exists, but I can't find any coverage that would indicate a WP:GEOLAND or WP:GNG pass. No mentions in a 1914 county history, nor in a 2011 History Press book about the county. Another recent county history contains one reference to "Clayton's Store", but no Claytonville. Newspapers.com has Claytonville Farm as a historic home/garden open for tour, but the other results in VA papers are for sites elsewhere and a description of the plot of a high school play put on in the late 1930s. I'm not seeing anything that would provide the basis for an article on this subject. Hog Farm _Talk 01:35, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: USGS topo maps show a church and cemetery at the site, plus several buildings, at least as far back as 1938: [122]. This would normally be enough to suggest sources exist, but I can't find any, apart from a single appearance on a map in an Arcadia Publishing book. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:07, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete I couldn't find anything substantial that would grant this community a notable status beyond a local one. TH1980 (talk) 02:50, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete With over 2,000 pages in Category:Unincorporated communities in Virginia, the majority of which like this one machine- or bulk-created 16 years ago with no expansion since, I recommend a bulk deletion of such non-notable places made by this user. I commend Hog Farm for his research that the creator didn't do, but there are hundreds and hundreds like this one, names simply lifted from a map to a database and then lifted to be articles that do not meet our notability standards, if not outright incorrect. Reywas92^Talk 05:09, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Alexey Zakharov

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Non-notable tennis player who fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:NTENNIS. Sources I found, at least in English, are just routine match coverage. I am not familiar with the Russian language at all so if anyone can find anything of note in Russian, I am glad to reconsider. Adamtt9 (talk) 23:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep - He is one of the famous athletes and is mentioned in more than 30 en:Wikipedia articles. He became a quarterfinalist of junior Grand Slam tournaments four times. In total, he participated in 12 junior Grand Slam tournaments and is accordingly mentioned in articles about these tournaments. He became the winner of ten ITF junior tournaments (2 in singles), reaching 12th place in the ITF World Junior ranking (2018). During 2024, he was a finalist once and quarter finalists twice on the ATP Challenger Tour - see: 2024 ATP Challenger Tour. It is the eighth of the rooms in Top Russian male singles tennis players. --Zboris (talk) 23:27, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've added some more content and citations to this article (one in English and two in Dutch). Not sure if that makes it now meet the required criteria for significant coverage but thought I'd point it out. I'll let others with more intricate knowledge of the required standards decide if the subject of the article meets the required notability. Shrug02 (talk) 00:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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• Keep - FYI this is already on the Russian language Wikipedia. I think it's the same except in that this one is English. I'm willing to accept good faith on the Russian sourcing, and this English version otherwise looks good to me. — Maile (talk) 02:15, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 03:37, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

L'ultima volta

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Fails WP:NSONG, the single did not charted nor received significant coverage in reliable sources. Nothing significant found in my WP:BEFORE. The Rockol ref is pointless. The other two sources' coverage amount to L’EP “SARAH“ conterrà, inoltre, la versione live di Voilà ('The ‘SARAH’ EP will also contain the live version of Voilà') and L’ultima volta è un singolo di Sarah Toscano contenuto nell’ep Sarah. ('L'ultima volta is a single by Sarah Toscano contained in the EP Sarah.') Also, the Cliccando News website is of questionable reliability and its article seems AI-generated. Cavarrone 01:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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• Delete: Appears to fail WP:NSONG. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:34, 5 December 2024 (UTC)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Los Juglares del Dexas

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The previous discussion was closed for soft deletion, however, the reason it was restored was due to the previous nominator being a sock of a banned user. While being an NPP, I stumbled upon this article. Sadly, a quick search revealed little that would contribute to notability. Hence, I think it should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 00:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Ineligible for soft deletion.
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• Delete: Article without significant coverage or reliable reference citations. 190.219.101.225 (talk) 06:49, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I would say this lacks in-depth WP:SIGCOV in terms of its sources. The sources it does use mostly originate from the same publication, which as you've mentioned have an author related to the label, making them unreliable.--Tgvarrt (talk) 21:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

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