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== Comments and questions == |
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== We need a stronger consensus — Croatia belongs to southern Central Europe == |
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1. The article says "During the 5th century, the last de jure Western Roman Emperor Julius Nepos ruled a small realm from the palace after fleeing Italy in 475." |
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Why do you persistently place Croatia in Southeastern Europe, while Poland, Slovakia and Hungary are placed in Central Europe? These countries are geographically substantially further east than Croatia, and also culturally, Croatia belong to the Central European and Mediterranean cultural circle, while the three countries mentioned above have strong geopolitical and historical ties with Eastern European countries such as Belarus, Ukraine and Romania. |
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However, it's not clear what is the "palace" in question. I assume it's Diocletian's palace which is the likely residence of [[Julius Nepos]] during his nominal continued reign in Dalmatia (as stated in the article on Julius Nepos). |
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I think that geographically, Slovenia and Croatia should be placed in the same part of Europe. Moreover, they formed the southwest and the Adriatic geat of the Habsburg Monarchy and later of Austria-Hungary. [[User:Šaholjubac|Šaholjubac]] ([[User talk:Šaholjubac|talk]]) 00:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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2. The section "Personal union with Hungary (1102) and Habsburg Monarchy (1527)" ends with WWI. |
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It does not say anything more than that. At least it should explain how it started. I believe a short paragraph is needed since WWI was a major event in Europe (not only Croatia). |
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I have found the source for a missing citation. The text is in the second paragraph of the Healthcare section - "There are 119 emergency units in health centres, responding to more than a million calls.[citation needed]". This fact comes from page 535 of the Croatian 2013 statistical yearbook. |
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3. The image of the Danube river is pointless. |
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This is the full citation: |
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Ostroški, Ljiljana, ed. (December 2013). Statistički ljetopis Republike Hrvatske 2013 [2013 Statistical Yearbook of the Republic of Croatia] (PDF). Statistical Yearbook of the Republic of Croatia (in Croatian and English). Vol. 45. Zagreb: Croatian Bureau of Statistics. ISSN 1334-0638. Retrieved 28 February 2024. [[User:Bogbody05|Bogbody05]] ([[User talk:Bogbody05|talk]]) 19:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
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4a. The image in the "Climate" section was previously showing the bora but some genius removed it and placed an image that shows something completely unrelated to the bora. Please fix image and caption as necessary. It does not make sense. |
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:{{done}}. Thanks, I'll take your word for it that that's correct. — [[User:Amakuru|Amakuru]] ([[User talk:Amakuru|talk]]) 19:22, 28 February 2024 (UTC) |
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4b. The "Climate" section mentions bora and bura. Let's try to stick to a single spelling for better clarity and uniformity. |
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5. The text says "As of May 2019, the Croatian military had 72 members stationed in foreign countries as part of United Nations-led international peacekeeping forces. As of 2019, 323 troops served the NATO-led ISAF force in Afghanistan. Another 156 served with KFOR in Kosovo." |
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It should be updated to 2024. |
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6. The text says "As a result of the war, economic infrastructure sustained massive damage, particularly the tourism industry." |
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What war is it? This is ambiguous. There is a lack of clarity. |
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7. The text says "The population decrease was greater a result of war for independence." |
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Is this even grammatically correct? |
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8. The image of the Šibenik Cathedral is ugly and it can be replaced with a better one with a better angle (from the front of the building). |
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9. The text says "Twenty of these schools got specialised assistance in the form of gear". |
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What does "gear" mean in this context? I speak English and it does not make sense to me. |
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10. The text says "As of January 2021, there are thirteen nationwide free-to-air DVB-T television channels, with Croatian Radiotelevision (HRT) operating four, RTL Televizija three, and Nova TV operating two channels, and the Croatian Olympic Committee, Kapital Net d.o.o., and Author d.o.o. companies operate the remaining three." |
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The are too many instances of "and". They are redundant/repetitive. |
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11. Chess is included in the sports section. It's not really a sport. It's not physical but mental. Football, racing and swimming are sports. |
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12. Some genius replaced the 4 images of traditional Croatian food with a single image of Zagorski štrukli. The previous image offered more national variety and it was a better choice. |
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13. The text says "Croatian athletes won 16 gold medals at world championships". |
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I find "world championships" very general. |
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[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 23:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Alternate English Pronunciations == |
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There are alternate pronunciations of the English word "Croatia", including "krow-AH-tee-uh" (common in [[England]]), "KROW-tee-uh" (common among the [[African Americans|African American]] community), and "KRAY-sha" (usually associated with [[Australia]]). These should be represented in the article, possibly as a footnote. [[Special:Contributions/166.196.79.79|166.196.79.79]] ([[User talk:166.196.79.79|talk]]) 22:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I had previously removed this question as it seemed to be a weird troll. In case it's not clear, these claims seem like blatant violations of [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:HOAX]]. Anonymous user, if you want to be taken seriously, please [[WP:CITE|cite sources]]. --[[User:Joy|Joy]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 07:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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- Result: Delist as doesn't meet GA criteria 2 or 3 (insufficient citations and lack of recent updates). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Article has "This section needs to be updated" tags in five sections: Economy, Transport, Demographics, Education, Sports, and As of 2019, the Croatian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and European Integration employed 1,381[needs update]
. It also has "needs additional citations for verification" tag for Sports, and a 'citation needed' in Healthcare section. 'clarification needed' is in Independent Croatia (1991–present) section. With 6 big orange templates article needs work to remain a GA. Artem.G (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Slightly longer than preferable, and with some oversubsectioning. However, overall not a bad article as far as country articles go, hopefully this can be fixed. CMD (talk) 07:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delist: sections need to be updated, while citations are needed in selected places. As CMD noted, should be fairly easy to get back to GA standard, should someone wish to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Comments and questions
[edit]1. The article says "During the 5th century, the last de jure Western Roman Emperor Julius Nepos ruled a small realm from the palace after fleeing Italy in 475."
However, it's not clear what is the "palace" in question. I assume it's Diocletian's palace which is the likely residence of Julius Nepos during his nominal continued reign in Dalmatia (as stated in the article on Julius Nepos).
2. The section "Personal union with Hungary (1102) and Habsburg Monarchy (1527)" ends with WWI.
It does not say anything more than that. At least it should explain how it started. I believe a short paragraph is needed since WWI was a major event in Europe (not only Croatia).
3. The image of the Danube river is pointless.
4a. The image in the "Climate" section was previously showing the bora but some genius removed it and placed an image that shows something completely unrelated to the bora. Please fix image and caption as necessary. It does not make sense.
4b. The "Climate" section mentions bora and bura. Let's try to stick to a single spelling for better clarity and uniformity.
5. The text says "As of May 2019, the Croatian military had 72 members stationed in foreign countries as part of United Nations-led international peacekeeping forces. As of 2019, 323 troops served the NATO-led ISAF force in Afghanistan. Another 156 served with KFOR in Kosovo."
It should be updated to 2024.
6. The text says "As a result of the war, economic infrastructure sustained massive damage, particularly the tourism industry."
What war is it? This is ambiguous. There is a lack of clarity.
7. The text says "The population decrease was greater a result of war for independence."
Is this even grammatically correct?
8. The image of the Šibenik Cathedral is ugly and it can be replaced with a better one with a better angle (from the front of the building).
9. The text says "Twenty of these schools got specialised assistance in the form of gear".
What does "gear" mean in this context? I speak English and it does not make sense to me.
10. The text says "As of January 2021, there are thirteen nationwide free-to-air DVB-T television channels, with Croatian Radiotelevision (HRT) operating four, RTL Televizija three, and Nova TV operating two channels, and the Croatian Olympic Committee, Kapital Net d.o.o., and Author d.o.o. companies operate the remaining three."
The are too many instances of "and". They are redundant/repetitive.
11. Chess is included in the sports section. It's not really a sport. It's not physical but mental. Football, racing and swimming are sports.
12. Some genius replaced the 4 images of traditional Croatian food with a single image of Zagorski štrukli. The previous image offered more national variety and it was a better choice.
13. The text says "Croatian athletes won 16 gold medals at world championships".
I find "world championships" very general.
ICE77 (talk) 23:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Alternate English Pronunciations
[edit]There are alternate pronunciations of the English word "Croatia", including "krow-AH-tee-uh" (common in England), "KROW-tee-uh" (common among the African American community), and "KRAY-sha" (usually associated with Australia). These should be represented in the article, possibly as a footnote. 166.196.79.79 (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I had previously removed this question as it seemed to be a weird troll. In case it's not clear, these claims seem like blatant violations of WP:OR and WP:HOAX. Anonymous user, if you want to be taken seriously, please cite sources. --Joy (talk) 07:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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