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It was said that are 300 000 Serbs had gone in 1995. That is not correct number. Much less- 100 000. Jasenovac wasn't 3rd camp in WW2. The number of victoms was glorified by Serbs. You should check better that numbers. |
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It was said a comunist state which is not true, It was a socialistic state! |
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== GAR == |
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Dubravko, currently the language is called [[Serbo-Croatian language|Serbo-Croatian]] in Wikipedia. Notice that the official language was listed as Croatian - please see the pages on Serbo-Croatian, Serbian, Croatian and Bosnian. If you have problems with this, please discuss it on [[Talk:Serbo-Croatian language]] before changing all references to local names in Croatia from Serbo-Croatian to Croatian. [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] 12:47 27 May 2003 (UTC) |
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I fixed the link which now points to correct page Croatian_language. |
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== Comments and questions == |
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1. The article says "During the 5th century, the last de jure Western Roman Emperor Julius Nepos ruled a small realm from the palace after fleeing Italy in 475." |
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However, it's not clear what is the "palace" in question. I assume it's Diocletian's palace which is the likely residence of [[Julius Nepos]] during his nominal continued reign in Dalmatia (as stated in the article on Julius Nepos). |
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As said, this is not about the link, it's rather about consistency within this encyclopaedia - the language in the sense of a set of grammatical rules and words is called Serbo-Croatian (in wikipedia and throughout universities and literature in the world), whereas written standards and official languages are called Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian etc. |
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2. The section "Personal union with Hungary (1102) and Habsburg Monarchy (1527)" ends with WWI. |
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It's an issue that has nothing to do with Croatia per se, so if you have problems with this defacto policy, please discuss it on [[Talk:Serbo-Croatian language]] before changing it again. [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] 13:01 27 May 2003 (UTC) |
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It does not say anything more than that. At least it should explain how it started. I believe a short paragraph is needed since WWI was a major event in Europe (not only Croatia). |
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Speaking of consistency, please check out what is stated under Croatian language about Serbo-Croatian language. |
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3. The image of the Danube river is pointless. |
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:Thanks for pointing that out. Please people, let's not stoop to the low levels of Greek geeks vandalizing every article on anything Macedonian. This is an encyclopaedia, not a third-rate political tabloid. [[User:Zocky|Zocky]] 13:14 27 May 2003 (UTC) |
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4a. The image in the "Climate" section was previously showing the bora but some genius removed it and placed an image that shows something completely unrelated to the bora. Please fix image and caption as necessary. It does not make sense. |
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An [[Zocky]]: |
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Was soll dieser Schwachsinn über Griechenland sein ? |
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Macedon,Thessaloniki 27.05.2003 |
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4b. The "Climate" section mentions bora and bura. Let's try to stick to a single spelling for better clarity and uniformity. |
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Someone anonymous seems to insist that Croatia is not located on the Balkan. Can anyone dig out any proof for this claim, or other way round proof to convice the anonymous? -- [[User:Ahoerstemeier|andy]] 13:31, 8 Aug 2003 (UTC) |
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5. The text says "As of May 2019, the Croatian military had 72 members stationed in foreign countries as part of United Nations-led international peacekeeping forces. As of 2019, 323 troops served the NATO-led ISAF force in Afghanistan. Another 156 served with KFOR in Kosovo." |
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Following reference moved from article: [[User:Olivier|olivier]] 11:56, 10 Aug 2003 (UTC) |
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It should be updated to 2024. |
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*''Much of the material in these articles comes from the [[CIA World Factbook]] 2000 and the 2003 U.S. Department of State website.'' |
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6. The text says "As a result of the war, economic infrastructure sustained massive damage, particularly the tourism industry." |
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What war is it? This is ambiguous. There is a lack of clarity. |
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7. The text says "The population decrease was greater a result of war for independence." |
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Is this even grammatically correct? |
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8. The image of the Šibenik Cathedral is ugly and it can be replaced with a better one with a better angle (from the front of the building). |
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9. The text says "Twenty of these schools got specialised assistance in the form of gear". |
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What does "gear" mean in this context? I speak English and it does not make sense to me. |
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10. The text says "As of January 2021, there are thirteen nationwide free-to-air DVB-T television channels, with Croatian Radiotelevision (HRT) operating four, RTL Televizija three, and Nova TV operating two channels, and the Croatian Olympic Committee, Kapital Net d.o.o., and Author d.o.o. companies operate the remaining three." |
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The are too many instances of "and". They are redundant/repetitive. |
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11. Chess is included in the sports section. It's not really a sport. It's not physical but mental. Football, racing and swimming are sports. |
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12. Some genius replaced the 4 images of traditional Croatian food with a single image of Zagorski štrukli. The previous image offered more national variety and it was a better choice. |
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13. The text says "Croatian athletes won 16 gold medals at world championships". |
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I find "world championships" very general. |
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[[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 23:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Alternate English Pronunciations == |
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There are alternate pronunciations of the English word "Croatia", including "krow-AH-tee-uh" (common in [[England]]), "KROW-tee-uh" (common among the [[African Americans|African American]] community), and "KRAY-sha" (usually associated with [[Australia]]). These should be represented in the article, possibly as a footnote. [[Special:Contributions/166.196.79.79|166.196.79.79]] ([[User talk:166.196.79.79|talk]]) 22:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:I had previously removed this question as it seemed to be a weird troll. In case it's not clear, these claims seem like blatant violations of [[WP:OR]] and [[WP:HOAX]]. Anonymous user, if you want to be taken seriously, please [[WP:CITE|cite sources]]. --[[User:Joy|Joy]] ([[User talk:Joy|talk]]) 07:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC) |
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- Result: Delist as doesn't meet GA criteria 2 or 3 (insufficient citations and lack of recent updates). ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Article has "This section needs to be updated" tags in five sections: Economy, Transport, Demographics, Education, Sports, and As of 2019, the Croatian Ministry of Foreign Affairs and European Integration employed 1,381[needs update]
. It also has "needs additional citations for verification" tag for Sports, and a 'citation needed' in Healthcare section. 'clarification needed' is in Independent Croatia (1991–present) section. With 6 big orange templates article needs work to remain a GA. Artem.G (talk) 19:00, 16 January 2023 (UTC)
- Slightly longer than preferable, and with some oversubsectioning. However, overall not a bad article as far as country articles go, hopefully this can be fixed. CMD (talk) 07:54, 17 January 2023 (UTC)
- Delist: sections need to be updated, while citations are needed in selected places. As CMD noted, should be fairly easy to get back to GA standard, should someone wish to. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:17, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Comments and questions
[edit]1. The article says "During the 5th century, the last de jure Western Roman Emperor Julius Nepos ruled a small realm from the palace after fleeing Italy in 475."
However, it's not clear what is the "palace" in question. I assume it's Diocletian's palace which is the likely residence of Julius Nepos during his nominal continued reign in Dalmatia (as stated in the article on Julius Nepos).
2. The section "Personal union with Hungary (1102) and Habsburg Monarchy (1527)" ends with WWI.
It does not say anything more than that. At least it should explain how it started. I believe a short paragraph is needed since WWI was a major event in Europe (not only Croatia).
3. The image of the Danube river is pointless.
4a. The image in the "Climate" section was previously showing the bora but some genius removed it and placed an image that shows something completely unrelated to the bora. Please fix image and caption as necessary. It does not make sense.
4b. The "Climate" section mentions bora and bura. Let's try to stick to a single spelling for better clarity and uniformity.
5. The text says "As of May 2019, the Croatian military had 72 members stationed in foreign countries as part of United Nations-led international peacekeeping forces. As of 2019, 323 troops served the NATO-led ISAF force in Afghanistan. Another 156 served with KFOR in Kosovo."
It should be updated to 2024.
6. The text says "As a result of the war, economic infrastructure sustained massive damage, particularly the tourism industry."
What war is it? This is ambiguous. There is a lack of clarity.
7. The text says "The population decrease was greater a result of war for independence."
Is this even grammatically correct?
8. The image of the Šibenik Cathedral is ugly and it can be replaced with a better one with a better angle (from the front of the building).
9. The text says "Twenty of these schools got specialised assistance in the form of gear".
What does "gear" mean in this context? I speak English and it does not make sense to me.
10. The text says "As of January 2021, there are thirteen nationwide free-to-air DVB-T television channels, with Croatian Radiotelevision (HRT) operating four, RTL Televizija three, and Nova TV operating two channels, and the Croatian Olympic Committee, Kapital Net d.o.o., and Author d.o.o. companies operate the remaining three."
The are too many instances of "and". They are redundant/repetitive.
11. Chess is included in the sports section. It's not really a sport. It's not physical but mental. Football, racing and swimming are sports.
12. Some genius replaced the 4 images of traditional Croatian food with a single image of Zagorski štrukli. The previous image offered more national variety and it was a better choice.
13. The text says "Croatian athletes won 16 gold medals at world championships".
I find "world championships" very general.
ICE77 (talk) 23:36, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
Alternate English Pronunciations
[edit]There are alternate pronunciations of the English word "Croatia", including "krow-AH-tee-uh" (common in England), "KROW-tee-uh" (common among the African American community), and "KRAY-sha" (usually associated with Australia). These should be represented in the article, possibly as a footnote. 166.196.79.79 (talk) 22:59, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
- I had previously removed this question as it seemed to be a weird troll. In case it's not clear, these claims seem like blatant violations of WP:OR and WP:HOAX. Anonymous user, if you want to be taken seriously, please cite sources. --Joy (talk) 07:52, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
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