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* New to editing here so sorry if this isn't formatted correctly. Just wanted to mention that there is no father in the video. The girl is being raised by a single mom. That seems noteworthy since the social science data is very clear about the elevated risk factors for kids raised in fatherless homes (depression, loneliness, trouble in school, etc). Perhaps she feels "caught in the undertow" of her mother's choice to live without the dad. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Catholicjen|Catholicjen]] ([[User talk:Catholicjen#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catholicjen|contribs]]) 19:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
* New to editing here so sorry if this isn't formatted correctly. Just wanted to mention that there is no father in the video. The girl is being raised by a single mom. That seems noteworthy since the social science data is very clear about the elevated risk factors for kids raised in fatherless homes (depression, loneliness, trouble in school, etc). Perhaps she feels "caught in the undertow" of her mother's choice to live without the dad. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Catholicjen|Catholicjen]] ([[User talk:Catholicjen#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Catholicjen|contribs]]) 19:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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=U2 Reference= |
==U2 Reference== |
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"Prior to the single by Linkin Park, the song name had been used by U2 on the album Zooropa." |
"Prior to the single by Linkin Park, the song name had been used by U2 on the album Zooropa." |
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:Agreed; song titles are always repeated. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC) |
:Agreed; song titles are always repeated. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 02:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC) |
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= Song used for TNA wrestling videos = |
== Song used for TNA wrestling videos == |
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I've noticed on TNA pay per views that an instrumental version of the song is used. Anyone want to look into that? |
I've noticed on TNA pay per views that an instrumental version of the song is used. Anyone want to look into that? |
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==Lyrics have been removed == |
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I removed the section for the lyrics because they are most llkely copyrighted by either the band or the record label. Please don't put them back. Thanks.--<span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:CJ_King|<span style="color:red;">C</span>]][[User talk:CJ_King|<span style="color:blue;">J</span>]] [[User:CJ King/Wikipedia pages|<span style="color:#b8860b;">King</span>]]</span> 23:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC) |
I removed the section for the lyrics because they are most llkely copyrighted by either the band or the record label. Please don't put them back. Thanks.--<span style="font-family:Tahoma;">[[User:CJ_King|<span style="color:red;">C</span>]][[User talk:CJ_King|<span style="color:blue;">J</span>]] [[User:CJ King/Wikipedia pages|<span style="color:#b8860b;">King</span>]]</span> 23:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC) |
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= Backwards Played story = |
== Backwards Played story == |
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Why does no one here notice that when playing the song backwards, you hear just another song backmasked in it?[[User:008xtreme|008'/,treme]] 19:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC) |
Why does no one here notice that when playing the song backwards, you hear just another song backmasked in it?[[User:008xtreme|008'/,treme]] 19:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC) |
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:I don't know, but I've heard it, and it's probably worth noting. If I ever meet Linkin Park, I will ask. [[User:Bentu|Bentu]] ([[User talk:Bentu|talk]]) 02:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC) |
:I don't know, but I've heard it, and it's probably worth noting. If I ever meet Linkin Park, I will ask. [[User:Bentu|Bentu]] ([[User talk:Bentu|talk]]) 02:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC) |
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=Evanescence Cover= |
==Evanescence Cover== |
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Did Evanescence really cover LP's Numb? I never heard of that cover. [[User: Angel of the Will|Angel of the Will]] 16:11, 18 July 2007 |
Did Evanescence really cover LP's Numb? I never heard of that cover. [[User: Angel of the Will|Angel of the Will]] 16:11, 18 July 2007 |
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Go to LimeWire or a P2P Network and Search Numb Linkin Park Cover or just Linkin Park Cover. You'll find it. [[User:Lpfan4eva1990|Lpfan4eva1990]] 01:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC) |
Go to LimeWire or a P2P Network and Search Numb Linkin Park Cover or just Linkin Park Cover. You'll find it. [[User:Lpfan4eva1990|Lpfan4eva1990]] 01:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC) |
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= IT'S NOT NU METAL = |
== IT'S NOT NU METAL == |
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Why consider this [[nu metal]], and not consider What I've Done nu metal? Answer: because it's not nu metal. It's alternative rock, and maybe nu metal is a sub-genre.. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.244.30.200|209.244.30.200]] ([[User talk:209.244.30.200|talk]]) 11:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Why consider this [[nu metal]], and not consider What I've Done nu metal? Answer: because it's not nu metal. It's alternative rock, and maybe nu metal is a sub-genre.. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.244.30.200|209.244.30.200]] ([[User talk:209.244.30.200|talk]]) 11:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Not all nu metal contains rapping. Furthermore, we preferably go by what reliable sources say, and sources like [http://www.gigwise.com/news/94057/for-a-second-linkin-park-numb-was-the-maltese-national-anthem this] categorize it a nu metal song, while [http://watchmojo.com/video/id/12163/ this] supports both nu metal and alternative rock. If you can find a reliable source for alternative metal though, feel free to add it (I did a brief search and didn't find any). [[User:Kokoro20|Kokoro20]] ([[User talk:Kokoro20|talk]]) 10:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC) |
:Not all nu metal contains rapping. Furthermore, we preferably go by what reliable sources say, and sources like [http://www.gigwise.com/news/94057/for-a-second-linkin-park-numb-was-the-maltese-national-anthem this] categorize it a nu metal song, while [http://watchmojo.com/video/id/12163/ this] supports both nu metal and alternative rock. If you can find a reliable source for alternative metal though, feel free to add it (I did a brief search and didn't find any). [[User:Kokoro20|Kokoro20]] ([[User talk:Kokoro20|talk]]) 10:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC) |
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= So, someone has considered this song a "gothic rock" song = |
== So, someone has considered this song a "gothic rock" song == |
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It was in the infobox. |
It was in the infobox. |
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Obviously, when I saw that, I have been careful to remove that (bad) joke. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.161.159.250|92.161.159.250]] ([[User talk:92.161.159.250#top|talk]]) 19:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
Obviously, when I saw that, I have been careful to remove that (bad) joke. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.161.159.250|92.161.159.250]] ([[User talk:92.161.159.250#top|talk]]) 19:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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= Sources for "music video" section = |
== Sources for "music video" section == |
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The entire music video section seems to be sparsely cited. I didn't want to put citation needed tags everywhere, so I just placed one at the end of the section (and after a very bold claim), but really, most of the section is lacking in sources. [[User:Hickland|Hickland]] ([[User talk:Hickland|talk]]) 23:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC) |
The entire music video section seems to be sparsely cited. I didn't want to put citation needed tags everywhere, so I just placed one at the end of the section (and after a very bold claim), but really, most of the section is lacking in sources. [[User:Hickland|Hickland]] ([[User talk:Hickland|talk]]) 23:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' per the large list of entries In ictu oculi listed and per PDAB. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 17:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
:'''Oppose''' per the large list of entries In ictu oculi listed and per PDAB. [[User:Gonnym|Gonnym]] ([[User talk:Gonnym|talk]]) 17:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' per In ictu oculi, how is this even up for discussion? '''[[User:DannyMusicEditor|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">danny</span><small>music</small><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">editor</span>]]''' <sup> [[User talk:DannyMusicEditor|oops]] </sup> 17:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''[[User:DannyMusicEditor|<span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">danny</span><small>music</small><span class="smallcaps" style="font-variant:small-caps;">editor</span>]]''' <sup> [[User talk:DannyMusicEditor|oops]] </sup> 17:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' Far too many songs to simplify the disambiguation in this manner, it would be extremely confusing. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 18:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' Far too many songs to simplify the disambiguation in this manner, it would be extremely confusing. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 18:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' per [[WP:PDAB]]. A partial DAB can only be the primary topic if it is the only article to which the title could apply. [[User:Wpscatter|<span style="background:maroon;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">WP</span>scatter</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Wpscatter|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Wpscatter|c]]</sub> 20:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
:'''Oppose''' per [[WP:PDAB]]. A partial DAB can only be the primary topic if it is the only article to which the title could apply. [[User:Wpscatter|<span style="background:maroon;border-radius:9999px;padding:1px 8px;color:white;"><span style="font-weight:bold">WP</span>scatter</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Wpscatter|t]]</sup>/<sub>[[Special:Contributions/Wpscatter|c]]</sub> 20:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' the other songs get around a 3rd of the views[[https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=wikilinks&range=latest-20&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numb]] which probably isn't enough for a PDAB. '''[[User:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Green">Crouch, Swale</span>]]''' ([[User talk:Crouch, Swale|<span style="color:Blue">talk</span>]]) 16:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC) |
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Cover picture
[edit]Why is the cover picture removed ???-KingdomHearts25 13 March, 2010 (UTC)
Music Video Cut
[edit]Her cut spells numb, that's a big cut! She MUST be emo.
Music Video story?
[edit]Does the music video have a plot? There's a main character, a girl, and there's a hint of some plot, but perhaps someone could put it into words? Kareeser|Talk! 22:42, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Well, its about a girl, who likes art (at the beging it shows her drawing and getting told off by the teacher) she has no friends, because every one dosen't like her. (when she sits down and the rest walk away). Her parents give her crap, and she is very lonley. So she takes her fustration out on art. Oh, and that bit with her running into were LP were playing, but they are not there except the Intruments, thats just somthing i dont understand. --210.54.108.244 21:22, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
- The music video's 'plot' is about the girl, as mentioned, who likes art and apparently aspires to be a professional artist (by the art studio she's apparently set up in her house). However, her aspirations are apparently quite far from the contemporary, making her unpopular and embarassing to be around by other people. Both her teachers and her parents want her to give up her dreams, put away her art tools, and try something more linear and acceptable in society, a prospect she vehemently opposes. She uses her art as a medium to express her rage at the constant pressure of her peers (or, in a fit of nervous breakdown, goes ballistic on a piece of art she was working on, hence ruining it and unconsciously giving in to said pressure). The part about her running into the church where Linkin Park was playing could be her hearing the play as she went for a walk to cool her head, and - hearing the music (as it's a form of art) - believes she could find a kindred spirit in the band, but they vanish before she gets there. Basically, it's a tale of teen rebellion and rejecting societal norms to walk the less-beaten path in life, instead of giving into peer pressure and let others tell you what you should be and do and think.
- i know it's stereotypical emo, but surely it's significant enough to mention that she helf harms? 91.125.115.113 (talk) 12:36, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
- New to editing here so sorry if this isn't formatted correctly. Just wanted to mention that there is no father in the video. The girl is being raised by a single mom. That seems noteworthy since the social science data is very clear about the elevated risk factors for kids raised in fatherless homes (depression, loneliness, trouble in school, etc). Perhaps she feels "caught in the undertow" of her mother's choice to live without the dad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Catholicjen (talk • contribs) 19:45, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
U2 Reference
[edit]"Prior to the single by Linkin Park, the song name had been used by U2 on the album Zooropa." Why is the fact that U2 had a song called Numb pertain to the article? --70.129.165.62 18:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed; song titles are always repeated. -Unknownwarrior33 02:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
Song used for TNA wrestling videos
[edit]I've noticed on TNA pay per views that an instrumental version of the song is used. Anyone want to look into that?
Lyrics have been removed
[edit]I removed the section for the lyrics because they are most llkely copyrighted by either the band or the record label. Please don't put them back. Thanks.--CJ King 23:48, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Backwards Played story
[edit]Why does no one here notice that when playing the song backwards, you hear just another song backmasked in it?008'/,treme 19:27, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know, but I've heard it, and it's probably worth noting. If I ever meet Linkin Park, I will ask. Bentu (talk) 02:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
Evanescence Cover
[edit]Did Evanescence really cover LP's Numb? I never heard of that cover. Angel of the Will 16:11, 18 July 2007
Go to LimeWire or a P2P Network and Search Numb Linkin Park Cover or just Linkin Park Cover. You'll find it. Lpfan4eva1990 01:47, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
IT'S NOT NU METAL
[edit]Why consider this nu metal, and not consider What I've Done nu metal? Answer: because it's not nu metal. It's alternative rock, and maybe nu metal is a sub-genre.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.30.200 (talk) 11:29, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
True. There's no rapping, so why not change nu metal to alternative metal? Dude00007, Ph. D., Sc. D. (talk) 23:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
- Not all nu metal contains rapping. Furthermore, we preferably go by what reliable sources say, and sources like this categorize it a nu metal song, while this supports both nu metal and alternative rock. If you can find a reliable source for alternative metal though, feel free to add it (I did a brief search and didn't find any). Kokoro20 (talk) 10:07, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
So, someone has considered this song a "gothic rock" song
[edit]It was in the infobox.
I mean, seriously?
Obviously, when I saw that, I have been careful to remove that (bad) joke. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.161.159.250 (talk) 19:24, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
Sources for "music video" section
[edit]The entire music video section seems to be sparsely cited. I didn't want to put citation needed tags everywhere, so I just placed one at the end of the section (and after a very bold claim), but really, most of the section is lacking in sources. Hickland (talk) 23:56, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
Third Oldest?
[edit]I'm a bit confused as to the line that states the song is the "Third Oldest" to get 1 billion views. There's two ways of reading this and both are incorrect. One is by Upload date - both November Rain and Bohemian Rhapsody were uploaded after Numb. The other is by production date, but there are more songs older than Numb that have now hit 1 billion (Take on Me, Sweet Child of Mine and Smells Like Teen Spirit). Is this trying to say something else or is just outdated information? I guess it's probably wanting to say "At the time it hit 1 billion views, it was the third oldest music video to achieve this milestone" ? Jedi Master Bra'tac (talk) 10:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Requested move 10 June 2023
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved - FlightTime (open channel) 16:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)
(non-admin closure)
Numb (Linkin Park song) → Numb (song) – Primary topic of a song with a name. RMXY (talk) 13:20, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Strong oppose and early close see WP:TITLE and WP:NOPRIMARY:
- "Numb" (August Alsina song), 2013
- "Numb" (Hayden James song), 2017
- "Numb" (Holly McNarland song), 1997
- "Numb" (Honey Ryder song), 2008
- "Numb" (Linkin Park song), 2003
- "Numb" (Marshmello and Khalid song), 2022
- "Numb" (Pet Shop Boys song), 2006
- "Numb" (Portishead song), 1994
- "Numb" (Rihanna song), 2012
- "Numb" (U2 song), 1993
- "Numb" (Usher song), 2012
- "Numb" (Veridia song), 2018
- Oppose per WP:PDAB. 162 etc. (talk) 16:31, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per the large list of entries In ictu oculi listed and per PDAB. Gonnym (talk) 17:11, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per In ictu oculi, how is this even up for discussion? dannymusiceditor oops 17:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose Far too many songs to simplify the disambiguation in this manner, it would be extremely confusing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:PDAB. A partial DAB can only be the primary topic if it is the only article to which the title could apply. WPscatter t/c 20:55, 10 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose the other songs get around a 3rd of the views[[1]] which probably isn't enough for a PDAB. Crouch, Swale (talk) 16:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)