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== Unknown Song ==
Does anyone know the name of the song in the trailer?

--In the internet exclusive trailer, the song is a heavy metal version of the cartoon theme. In the theatrical trailer, the song is Jerk It Out by The Caesars.

Are you perhaps talking about the song Jay dances to? It's a song from the Silence of the Lambs called "Goodbye Horses" by Q Lazzarus. This is already mentioned in the trivia portion of the page though...--[[User:Zephyrxero|Zephyrxero]] 07:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)


== Plot Theory ==
== Plot Theory ==
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--New Clerks II poster [http://i6.tinypic.com/1234ftw.jpg]
--New Clerks II poster [http://i6.tinypic.com/1234ftw.jpg]

== Tiny censorship ==
Yeah, this probably won't go over too well on a Smith page (I understand), but please, let's keep the curse out of the Siegel quote. This is supposed to be a "professional"-type encyclopedia we're helping make. A tasteful (explitave) should work well, and if anyone asks, pretend I'm quoting J&SBSB on this one, k? [[User:Gspawn|Gspawn]] 14:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry, [[Wikipedia:Profanity|Profanity on Wikipedia is not to be censored]]. --[[User:Liface|Liface]] 15:26, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
It's a QUOTE, sir. It can not be changed under any circumstances. If you want to talk about unprofessional behavior, go see Siegel. - Max

SNAP!- Optimus Mike
:I see absolutely no reason to taunt the fellow - he raised a perfectly reasonable point which, we decided a long time ago, happened not to be the best way of going about things. -[[User:MBlume|MBlume]] 06:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, but the notion of a *tiny* bit censorship (an oxymoron), especially on Wikipedia, is absurd. -Max

I think it is pretty clear the profanity is only included to slander Joel Siegal. [[User:69.115.123.89|69.115.123.89]] 02:03, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
:No dude, it's a quote. If they guy says 'fucking', the quote says 'fucking'. It's not gratuitous, it's verbatim. [[User:WLU|WLU]] 11:37, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

==Trivia section==

I'm trimming this, it's getting ludicrous. --[[User:Liface|Liface]] 18:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
: I added a warning. If you would like to add trivia to the section, please post it here. --[[User:Liface|Liface]] 15:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

: I think it might be significant to note, from a cinema history standpoint, that the black and white sequences that begin and end the film could be seen as an homage to ''The Wizard of Oz'', in addition to being a reference to the original ''Clerks'' being in black and white. Just one man's opinion. Also, I think your warning is missing a line or symbol or something; it's only visible on the Edit page, and for some reason shunts the first two points under Trivia to the end of the References section. -- [[User:Pennyforth|Pennyforth]] 20:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
:: Well here's the problem with most trivia sections: Editor X comes in and says "blah blah blah is a reference to this" without citing a source. Then other editors come in and add all their references, and we end up with a huge list of stuff that doesn't really pertain to the article. If you look at the [[:Category:FA-Class film articles|Featured film articles]], almost none of them have trivia sections. So we're going to need to cut down on our trivia and cite sources for everything. --[[User:Liface|Liface]] 23:14, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking about adding a mention that Randall's "Count Cockula" shirt says "I want to suck your pud" in the tiny text above it. -[[User:Zephyrxero|Zephyrxero]] 06:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

: I noticed while watching that RST Video is never mentioned by name (Randal almost implies that he worked inside the Quick Stop, as both stores seem to be collectively called "the Quick Stop"), that Elias wasn't in the jail scene despite the fact that he was seen by the cops and probably too stoned to get away, and that scenes involving Rosario Dawson tended to be the ones that didn't seem as or at all desaturated (they didn't have that kind of washed out, slightly grainy look). That last one's a total guess/opinion, though. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 22:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I visited the stores a few weeks ago and noticed that RST appears to be closed down for good; perhaps this is why it isn't mentioned by name. As for Elias, he does appear in the jail scene, albeit only once and for a little more than a split second: just as the scene begins, he is shown on the floor with his ass in the air, sucking his thumb and wearing boxers with "WWJD" imprinted on them. Not certain about the Rosario Dawson/saturation scenes, though; it could have been on purpose and used as a storytelling technique...or studio execs didn't want the film's main recognizable name "affected" by the grainy shots.
--[[User:Soupnyc807|Soupnyc807]] 13:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:1) The RST Video sign appeared for a second, I believe, and it at least can be seen in behind-the-scenes video (look at the most recent, [http://www.clerks2.com/trainwreck/index.php "Call 911"], it's in there). And they were clearly inside (at least, in the film's world, they were) in the scenes at the end. I doubt that the Askewniverse would be affected by RST Video's real-life closing, and any motivation not to mention it by name as to not attract real-life fans, which would explain along with [http://www.slashfilm.com/article.php/2006061900542381 the Slashdot article] why references must've just been edited from the movie, would be moot considering Quick Stop's next door.
:2) Forgot. Nevermind. Woops. Other one-word answers.
:3) Either way, interesting to see, but not verifiable for now. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 15:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Removed reference to Joey Adams cameo, since a member of staff for the production company has stated that this is not true [http://viewaskew.com/theboard/viewtopic.php?t=49202&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=joey+adams forum posting].
--[[User:Sanitychek|SanityChek]] 21:30, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

:Watching it again, I can confirm RST Video's never mentioned by name, though the sign is clearly seen when Jay and Silent Bob resume their Quick Stop posts. I also noticed that a sign saying "ONE DOZEN EGGS $1.49" on the front of the counter in the reverse zoom. There aren't any similar signs or anything surrounding it, it's just displayed ther eon it's own, so it seems like a reference to "The Perfect Dozen" more than a coincidence. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 18:55, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


:The phrase "Poopy trim" is visible on the graffiti-targeted "Keep out" board covering up the front of Quick Stop. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 16:24, 20 August 2006 (UTC)


Just a quick note, 37 isn't just the number of guys Veronica has blown, it's actually a director trademark -- Justice's prison number in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back is 373737, several news clippings in Dogma involve the number 37. In fact, in Clerks II alone, a firetruck near the end has the number 37, and the film itself lasts one hour, 37 minutes. [[User:Recalcitrancy|Recalcitrancy]] 05:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

==Question==
Does anyone know what actor plays the fat guy with the "07" on the back of his jersey who is dancing in the bathroom? Is it kevin smith?--[[User:Cms479|Cms479]] 14:37, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
: Nope, not Kevin Smith. Looks like he's uncredited. --[[User:Liface|Liface]] 18:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
yes that is kevin smith. {{unsigned3 | 71.100.166.68 | 17:35, 31 July 2006}}

No, I believe that man is Malcolm Ingram, a Smith collaborator who was responsible for helping keep Jason Mewes off of drugs (see the 9-part entry on silentbobspeaks.com entitled "Me and My Shadow"...a very good read by the way). A GIS for Ingram reveals that he resembles the fellow in the bathroom more than the fellow resembles Smith, as Smith never had a buzzed haircut. I'm thinking some union rule kept the character from showing his face completely.
--[[User:Soupnyc807|Soupnyc807]] 10:13, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Smith has had a similar haircut to the dancing urinator. Take a look at this video, recorded in 2006 for Panasonic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6gxku1RRFw <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.6.245.153|24.6.245.153]] ([[User talk:24.6.245.153|talk]]) 02:19, 23 November 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It definitely is Malcolm indy film director who has been with Smith since Mallrats, in which he's standing beside Trish the Dish on the balcony. And on the cover of bear magazine as seen on Letterman

==Removed from Trivia==

I rememved the part in the trvia section that says jay saying "lord?" when becky asks him to play music from the roof is a dogma reference to god being female, I believe the real reason is just becuase of Jay's new found faith and just believes god is speaking to him.

: First off, sign your comments. Secondly, I disagree, and I'm evidently not the only person who feels this way, as I was not the person who originally added it to the article. If you still disagree, fine, we can have a vote or something here, but in the meantime I'm readding it. [[User:Dlong|Dlong]] 03:47, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

:: It's very obvious to me that it IS because of God being a woman in Dogma, as it also seems clear that this movie takes place after all the prior Jerseyverse movies. However, unless Kevin or one of the main cast/crew members confirms this it needs to be mentioned that this is a common theory, and not a confirmed fact. Put it back in ;) --[[User:Zephyrxero|Zephyrxero]] 07:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

==Period==
Since the original's page is titled "Clerks.", shouldn't this be "Clerks. II" if we're going by the title card? That was how it was rendered on screen. [[User:Tim Long|Tim Long]] 06:14, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

: IIRC, while the original was "Clerks.", on-screen it rendered "Clerks." and then the period disappear as the "II" was appearing. [[User:Dlong|Dlong]] 06:17, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

==Major Overhaul==
I think this whole page needs to be restructured. Immediately after the table of contents you run into a Spoiler Warning version of the plot. I would suggest putting a non-spoiler synopsis first, followed by the cast credits, and then the spoiler plot. Also, I noticed that the trivia portion seems to have 3 sections, one section with non spoiling trivia, followed by a section for spoiler trivia, and then some...third...thing? It appears like it's supposed to be a continuation of the non-spoiler trivia, and if that is so, it needs to be moved up to the proper area. I'd like some feedback before I or someone else does this though... --[[User:Zephyrxero|Zephyrxero]] 06:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

==Another missing name of a song==
What is the name of the music playing in the movie when Dante and Emma are making out. It also plays during the credits.

It's score made by the composer James Venable.[[User:ChesterG|ChesterG]] 10:21, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

==Racial Slurs==

Does anybody have a list of the racial slurs and origins that Randall spewed out in the Porch Monkey scene? Some of them were very obscure (most notably 'Sheeny Curse' which, even being Jewish, I've never heard of before. [[User:67.71.40.5|67.71.40.5]] 02:16, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Isn't that Irish, rather than Jewish? I've never heard it before, either, but I'm pretty sure I've heard "sheeny" used as an Irish slur (Now that I think about it, I'm wondering where the hell I've heard Irish racial slurs). [[User:JBK405|JBK405]] 02:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
:no, 'sheeny' is definitely an anti-jewish slur.for some reason, my father, who grew up in nyc, referred to someone using a tool for an unintended purpose as a 'sheeny mechanic'. you want irish, try 'mick' and 'bogtrotter'. 'paddy' can also be pejorative, although not always.[[User:Toyokuni3|Toyokuni3]] ([[User talk:Toyokuni3|talk]]) 04:51, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

:From the Red Band trailer:
:''""Koon, spook, spade, mooly, jiggaboo, nignag, ''those'' are racial slurs!"''
:Sorry if I mistyped any of them, but as you said, they're obscure. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 02:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

that should be "Coon, Spook, Spade, Moolie, Jiggerboo, Nignog"
:urbandictionary.com confirmed them for me at the time. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 00:05, 28 November 2006 (UTC)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_slur [[User:82.12.110.220|82.12.110.220]] 23:03, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

== Merge Pillow pants ==

Merge pillow pants into this article, please. It doesn't deserve a seperate article. A lot of movie jokes tend to have articles created then ultimately merge back to the movie's main article. I have redirected it three times and recommended the article's creator to merge into this article but he refuses. Thanks. --[[User:Who What Where Nguyen Why|Who What Where Nguyen Why]] 23:43, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:I agree, and wrote so on the Pillow pants Talk page. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 23:59, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

:If tourettesguy reinstates the Pillow pants page, or removes anything from this or Pillow pants' Talk page again, someone get an Admin. -- [[User:Viewdrix|Viewdrix]] 19:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Why isn't Pillow Pants listed on this page? Magnus 17:57, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

==B Class Justification==
Whoever rated this failed to capitalize ''start'', so it was listed as unassessed. I looked at it, and it seems to me to be a B-class article. It has a complete plot section, a complete cast section, a criticism section, a short production section, and a massive trivia section that can be cut down and moved to other sections. In other words, it meets the B class criteria of having a majority of the material needed for a complete article. --[[User:Supernumerary|Supernumerary]] 02:25, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


== In-Theater Commentary? ==
== In-Theater Commentary? ==
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The track was pulled after the hype. I [http://theblazeronline.typepad.com/the_blazer_online/2006/08/kevin_smith_tra.html interviewed Kevin] two weeks before the relsease of the film, during which he was still excited about it. It had already been hyped quite a bit too, but was then pulled [http://newsaskew.com/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.pl?id=EEVVFupZAFcjomcHmO&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=viewnews] just before the release of the film.
The track was pulled after the hype. I [http://theblazeronline.typepad.com/the_blazer_online/2006/08/kevin_smith_tra.html interviewed Kevin] two weeks before the relsease of the film, during which he was still excited about it. It had already been hyped quite a bit too, but was then pulled [http://newsaskew.com/cgi-bin/coranto/viewnews.pl?id=EEVVFupZAFcjomcHmO&style=Default+News+Style&tmpl=viewnews] just before the release of the film.


== External links modified ==
==Subtitle==
Not sure if this is worth mentioning, but I caught the film in Amsterdam and the Dutch posters all had the "PASSION OF THE CLERKS" subtitle on them. It was missing from the US and UK releases, though.--[[User:Werthead|Werthead]] 22:51, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


==Demonic Song?==
anyone know what the song that Jay moshes to, and becky asks for something "a little less Demonic please!" is? [[User:82.12.110.220|82.12.110.220]] 14:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
:Its "The Invisible Guests" by King Diamond.[[User:KucamungaCatnip|KucamungaCatnip]] 20:44, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

== kevin smith/Ashley tisdale/donnie darko allusion ==

This might be a coincidence, but Ashley Tisdale had a supporting role in Donnie Darko. Ashley wasin high School musical and is now in "The suite life of zack and cody". well kevin smith was a big help in donnie darko. Well i was snoppoig around the various myspace pages connected to clerks II. On elias' page under his favorite T.V. shows "The suite life of zack and cody" is listed. Do you think this could be a nod to ashley? I'm not sure which article this belongs under (Ashley Tisdale, Kevin Smith, donnie darko, or even myspace would work.) But what do you guys think? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:MichaelACookII|MichaelACookII]] ([[User talk:MichaelACookII|talk]] [[User:MichaelACookII|Michael Cook]] 15:15, 5 March 2007 (UTC)</small>

I don't think it's a shoutout to the girl. Smith probably doesn't even know her name. I don't think he knows she had a part in ''[[Donnie Darko|Darko]]'' either. '''I''' didn't until just now. He (or [[the Weinstein Company]]) put "The Suite Life" on Elias's "favorite show" section for his Myspace profile because it's something that would be pathetic to catch a 20-year-old guy watching.[[User:ChesterG|ChesterG]] 10:25, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

== Clerks III? ==

shouldent it be something like "clerks III possibility" insted of "clerks III?". the usage of a question mark dosent seem very encyclopedic.[[User:81.6.231.240|81.6.231.240]] 12:53, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

:It sounds like something that should be in the discussion page (by which I mean the entire section marked "Clerks III?" and not in the article [[Special:Contributions/84.45.134.188|84.45.134.188]] ([[User talk:84.45.134.188|talk]]) 19:25, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

== Plot Synopsis ==
I added a synopsis that leaves out everything except the main story. In this film, characters like Elias and Jay & Silent Bob do very little with respect to the plot. Including their roles just spoils most of the jokes for the audience. I changed 'Plot' to 'Detailed Plot'; my preference would be to remove it altogether, but who am I to throw other people's efforts away? I was going to include a remark about Dante and Randal taking control of their lives, rather than going back to square one; but that's just my interpretation of the ending, and nobody knows how it might be recast by ''Clerks III''. [[User:Sante Sangre|Sante Sangre]] 17:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

At least, I thought I did!
The guidelines say Plot Summaries should be 400-700 words, no more than 900. The current 'Plot' in the article is almost 1200 words; i.e. it's already bloated even before you consider that much of the film's running time is taken up with irrelevant dialogue like Elias' virginity, the ins and outs of anal sex (sorry!), making fun of Lord Of The Rings, or arguing about racially offensive language. It's too long.

This is what I wrote; it's just over 300 words.
:Dante and Randal worked at Quick Stop Groceries and RST Video Rental for 10 years until the stores burned down, then got jobs at Mooby’s fast food restaurant. A year later, it is Dante’s last day at Mooby’s before heading to Florida to marry Emma Bunting and manage one of her wealthy father’s car washes.
But Dante has also got involved with Mooby’s manager, Becky Scott. Randal senses that Dante is not making the best choice he could; and is also scared about losing his best and only friend.
:During the day Dante realises he would be far happier with Becky. He tells Becky that he loves her, and Becky replies that she is pregnant thanks to a one-night stand with Dante. Becky professes no faith in romantic love or monogamy, and tells Dante she doesn’t want him to break off his engagement for the sake of their baby.
:Meanwhile, Randal has organised Dante’s farewell party - an outrageous live sex show inside Mooby’s. Dante mistakes the show's smoke machine for a fire and phones the emergency services, then is too distracted by the show to cancel the emergency call. During the show, Becky arrives and admits her feelings for Dante. Then Emma arrives to collect Dante from work and finds out what is going on between him and Becky. Then the Fire and Police services arrive and arrest everybody except Becky and Emma.
:In jail, Randal and Dante confront each other over what each of them is really doing and really wants. They buy the Quick Stop and RTS Video Rental to run as their own business (with finance from surprise investors), and Becky accepts Dante’s marriage proposal.
:[[User:Sante Sangre|Sante Sangre]] 17:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== Reason for removal of that "Connected To" section ==


Hello fellow Wikipedians,
The "Connected To" section just listed other films in the "View Askewniverse". That's already covered by the infobox. [[User:Robert Happelberg|Robert Happelberg]] 21:38, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


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== Preceded by... ==
== Ten years or eleven? ==


So is this film set ten years after the first film (in the lede) or eleven (first sentence of plot) or twelve (third sentence of plot) or [[Jay_and_Silent_Bob#Clerks_II|thirteen]]?--[[User:Shantavira|Shantavira]]|[[User talk:Shantavira|<sup>feed me</sup>]] 08:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Consitering the View Askewniverse is pretty linear, shouldn't a link to Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back be more appropreate in that section? [[Special:Contributions/98.116.18.48|98.116.18.48]] ([[User talk:98.116.18.48|talk]]) 01:56, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

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Plot Theory

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  • Judging from this movie, quickstop burned down.

http://clerksii.com/movies/firewalk560.mov

--New Clerks II poster [1]

In-Theater Commentary?

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There was a planned in-theater commentary track that moviegoers could listen to on their MP3 players and it received lots of hype, but was pulled. There doesn't appear to be any information in the article about it. I could add it, but I don't know much about it myself. (For instance, why was it pulled after all that hype?) Does it belong in the article and how should it be listed - as a trivia section item, or a seperate section? I may get around to further researching the matter and adding it myself, but I know someone else could do a better job.

The track was pulled after the hype. I interviewed Kevin two weeks before the relsease of the film, during which he was still excited about it. It had already been hyped quite a bit too, but was then pulled [2] just before the release of the film.

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Ten years or eleven?

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So is this film set ten years after the first film (in the lede) or eleven (first sentence of plot) or twelve (third sentence of plot) or thirteen?--Shantavira|feed me 08:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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