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== inspired by the wizard of oz? == |
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"He was also inspired by ''The Wizard of Oz'', claiming not to endure stories where the reward of adventure is the adventure itself, opting for a story where travel is important, but even more important is the goal.[5]" |
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"As of December 2023, the manga had an estimated 523.2 million copies in circulation worldwide." (Reception > Sales > paragraph 1) |
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Source says "Akashiya also asked Oda about the goal of the main characters in the story, the titular "One Piece" treasure. Akashiya asked if the treasure was "family bonds," and Oda replied, "No, I hate that kind of thing." Oda elaborated, saying, "That's like the ending of ''The Wizard of Oz'', which I watched when I was a kid. Adventuring that long, and having the adventure itself be the treasure, is really dissatisfying. Those kinds of stories are impossible. It feels like, 'I've gone on this long adventure, so give me the treasure!'"" |
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This number is computed using the August 2022 circulation reported by the publisher (516.566 million), adding the Oricon-reported sales data for the four volumes released in 2023, and using that as a lower bound for the possible circulation total. Setting aside the question of accuracy (if you account for all comparable data, the true circulation under the same metrics as the August 2022 figure as of the end of 2023 is almost certainly somewhere between 530 million and 535 million), this seems like a [[WP:NOR]] violation to me, though since I'm not too familiar with the Wikipedia community norms here I thought I should bring it up. [[Special:Contributions/2601:CB:8200:903:D838:E673:4764:946A|2601:CB:8200:903:D838:E673:4764:946A]] ([[User talk:2601:CB:8200:903:D838:E673:4764:946A|talk]]) 02:21, 12 January 2024 (UTC) |
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I'm not sure this counts as 'being inspired by', even if we included being inspired to do the opposite out of spite---it seems more like Oda brought up the Wizard of Oz as an example because of the interviewer's question. He certainly does not clearly state that he was inspired to make the treasure at the end of the journey more important than the journey itself '''''because of''''' ''The Wizard of Oz'' or as a result of his childhood frustration with it. (The article right now also seems a bit misleading about the story of ''The Wizard of Oz'', lol.) |
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==Genre== |
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Per [[WP:STICKTOSOURCE]], we should stick to the source and not go beyond what it is saying. In this case, we don't hybridize genres as that would not be what the current source states. [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 01:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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Not sure if I think this can be edited into something relevant, informative, and correct; or if it should be completely removed from the article. Suggestions? [[User:Butter no parsnips|Butter no parsnips]] ([[User talk:Butter no parsnips|talk]]) 04:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't agree with being strict about this. I would understand it if it was a combination with two different sources, one calling it sci-fi and the other fantasy, but in this case it's the same source that includes both genres, and it seemed reasonable to combine them as a single genre for the sake of conciseness, but nevermind. I also noticed that the source added the "comedy" tag recently, I think it should also be included, but [[MOS:A&M]] suggests to not include more than three genres. Any suggestion? [[User:Xexerss|Xexerss]] ([[User talk:Xexerss|talk]]) 01:54, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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::Honestly, I feel like we should get third-party genres for genres. Genre is subjective and I feel citing the publisher is more marketing than any sort of critical interpretation. What I would do is go through reviews and see how the genre was actually applied and then use the most common ones found. That's more work, but probably the least biased. [[User:Andrzejbanas|Andrzejbanas]] ([[User talk:Andrzejbanas|talk]]) 02:00, 23 January 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{reply|Butter no parsnips}} I reworded and moved the sentence to the conclusion section to make it more accurate to what the source actually says. Thanks for pointing this out. [[User:Xexerss|Xexerss]] ([[User talk:Xexerss|talk]]) 04:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Infobox image == |
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:Do have the actual source where the paragraph came from? [[User:MagmaAdmiral|MagmaAdmiral]] ([[User talk:MagmaAdmiral|talk]]) 16:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Clean-up needed in occurence == |
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Currently, the infobox uses the cover of the 61st ''takōbon'' volume cover to represent the manga, but with how most manga articles here use the first ''takōbon'' volume cover in their respective series, shouldn't the same be done here instead of Volume 61's cover? [[User:Inkster2|Inkster2]] ([[User talk:Inkster2|talk]]) 22:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC) |
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of the word "manga". Understandably, it will appear. Unnecessarily often though, at my time of writing. Tried to begin but realised the article it is too vast for a morning sitting. Please undertake the work of substituting/removing the word "manga" in its many superfluous instances. |
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:Nowhere is stated that infobox should always include the the first volume cover; also, see [[WP:OTHERCONTENT]]. [[User:Xexerss|Xexerss]] ([[User talk:Xexerss|talk]]) 02:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:See my explanation [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga/Archive 75#Untitled|here]], where I answered a similar question from another user. [[User:Link20XX|Link20XX]] ([[User talk:Link20XX|talk]]) 03:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC) |
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[[User:Arcsoda|Arcsoda]] ([[User talk:Arcsoda|talk]]) 06:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== no one is talking about the tcg == |
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== One Piece as Science Fantasy == |
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I believe its a very important part of one piece although relatively new [[Special:Contributions/79.107.0.246|79.107.0.246]] ([[User talk:79.107.0.246|talk]]) 17:01, 25 February 2024 (UTC) |
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The One Piece should honestly be categorized as a Science Fantasy franchise. [[User:EmperorAlexander99|EmperorAlexander99]] ([[User talk:EmperorAlexander99|talk]]) 12:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2024 == |
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change Merchandise, The brand made more than $1 billion in retail sales in Japan by 2004. to: |
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The brand has made more than $1 billion in retail sales. In addition it has had many large brand collaborations with brands like Uniqlo, Seiko, and Gucci <ref>https://screenrant.com/one-piece-uniqlo-25th-anniversary-team-up/</ref> [[User:Marcellious13|Marcellious13]] ([[User talk:Marcellious13|talk]]) 22:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:That seems like greatly outdated information, if it was back in 2004. [[User:David A|David A]] ([[User talk:David A|talk]]) 07:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::Indeed. Given its age and the fact that the 'Merchandise' subsection consisted of the one sentence, I went ahead and moved the info to the 'Sales' subsection. Also, {{re|Marcellious13}}, [[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done for now:'''<!-- Template:ESp -->: your provided source said nothing about Seiko or Gucci. Please provide reliable sources for all information you'd like to added to the article. [[User:DrOrinScrivello|DrOrinScrivello]] ([[User talk:DrOrinScrivello|talk]]) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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inspired by the wizard of oz?
[edit]"He was also inspired by The Wizard of Oz, claiming not to endure stories where the reward of adventure is the adventure itself, opting for a story where travel is important, but even more important is the goal.[5]"
Source says "Akashiya also asked Oda about the goal of the main characters in the story, the titular "One Piece" treasure. Akashiya asked if the treasure was "family bonds," and Oda replied, "No, I hate that kind of thing." Oda elaborated, saying, "That's like the ending of The Wizard of Oz, which I watched when I was a kid. Adventuring that long, and having the adventure itself be the treasure, is really dissatisfying. Those kinds of stories are impossible. It feels like, 'I've gone on this long adventure, so give me the treasure!'""
I'm not sure this counts as 'being inspired by', even if we included being inspired to do the opposite out of spite---it seems more like Oda brought up the Wizard of Oz as an example because of the interviewer's question. He certainly does not clearly state that he was inspired to make the treasure at the end of the journey more important than the journey itself because of The Wizard of Oz or as a result of his childhood frustration with it. (The article right now also seems a bit misleading about the story of The Wizard of Oz, lol.)
Not sure if I think this can be edited into something relevant, informative, and correct; or if it should be completely removed from the article. Suggestions? Butter no parsnips (talk) 04:03, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Butter no parsnips: I reworded and moved the sentence to the conclusion section to make it more accurate to what the source actually says. Thanks for pointing this out. Xexerss (talk) 04:23, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
- Do have the actual source where the paragraph came from? MagmaAdmiral (talk) 16:52, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
Clean-up needed in occurence
[edit]of the word "manga". Understandably, it will appear. Unnecessarily often though, at my time of writing. Tried to begin but realised the article it is too vast for a morning sitting. Please undertake the work of substituting/removing the word "manga" in its many superfluous instances.
Arcsoda (talk) 06:23, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
One Piece as Science Fantasy
[edit]The One Piece should honestly be categorized as a Science Fantasy franchise. EmperorAlexander99 (talk) 12:53, 28 July 2024 (UTC)
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change Merchandise, The brand made more than $1 billion in retail sales in Japan by 2004. to: The brand has made more than $1 billion in retail sales. In addition it has had many large brand collaborations with brands like Uniqlo, Seiko, and Gucci [1] Marcellious13 (talk) 22:42, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
- That seems like greatly outdated information, if it was back in 2004. David A (talk) 07:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed. Given its age and the fact that the 'Merchandise' subsection consisted of the one sentence, I went ahead and moved the info to the 'Sales' subsection. Also, @Marcellious13:, Not done for now:: your provided source said nothing about Seiko or Gucci. Please provide reliable sources for all information you'd like to added to the article. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:19, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
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