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== Conservative Ideas ==
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Would be useful if somebody (preferable academic) talk about his Ultra Conservative Ideas, and Discuss(with historical references in similar government) how these ideas will Worsen/Improve the weakening economic situation in the island, especially to middle class.
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:That's contentious, we need verifiable sources that talk about this. We can't just find someone who will write their opinion on here, even if they are from academia. We need to find external sources. Perhaps articles from Claridad? - <span style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size:11pt">[[User:Mtmelendez|Mtmelendez]] <sup><small>([[User talk:Mtmelendez|Talk]])</small></sup></span> 13:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
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::Claridad as a verifiable source? A newspaper that is compromised with a political ideology to provide information for someone from another ideology? Not very reliable [[Special:Contributions/131.94.223.135|131.94.223.135]] ([[User talk:131.94.223.135|talk]]) 09:49, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
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== Unsourced allegations to be discussed ==
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I have transferred from the article for discussion the following unsourced allegations:
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Resident Commissioner Luis G. Fortuño has also been involved in allegations from the local Puerto Rican press regarding campaign donations from several ranking members of the "Abramoff gang". Supposedly, Luis Fortuño accepted donations from Republicans like Jerry Weller, Tom Feeney, and Don Young, all of them linked in some way or another to Abramoff. Some speculations say that Fortuño ranks in the bottom tier of a coalition of Republicans that trades campaign donations for earmarks and approval of legislation which benefits Republican candidates. One of the controversial legislations is the confirmation of United States Attorney for the District of Puerto Rico, Rosa Emilia Rodriguez, who was approved disregarding the due process of scrutiny from the Senate."
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Highly inflammable political content such as this should be thoroughly sourced prior to placement in the article. [[User:Pr4ever|Pr4ever]] ([[User talk:Pr4ever|talk]]) 01:28, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
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===Response to unsourced allegations===

Wikipedia is a free encyclopedia in which everyone from every kind of perspective is allowed to post information accordingly. The controversies section has just been updated with the actual references and videos that confirm the press inquiring Fortuno about the donations, articles about the issue and links to other sources. The text is not politically biased, it is an objective information that informs the reader about his controversies, just as the Acevedo Vila page has one section regarding the donation scandal. This section does not state that the speculations are a truthful fact, it is just a section to stress the importance of those allegations, whether they are true or not. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/66.50.172.189|66.50.172.189]] ([[User talk:66.50.172.189|talk]]) 19:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Lets not get ahead of ourselves ==

[[WP:CRYSTAL]] is clear. While no one doubts this event will happen, we should wait until after it happens later today to have a version that shows Fortuño as Governor. New user [[User:Republikaner]] most probably did the anonymous edits, and I hope he continues his productive editing (great work, if a bit early!) Thanks!--[[User:Cerejota|Cerejota]] ([[User talk:Cerejota|talk]]) 07:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

== Second Republican RC ==
Just noticed this- according to the intro, Fortuño is the second Republican RC, however, he is listed as the 5th in the article on [[List of United States Representatives from Puerto Rico|PR's RC's]]. This disparity needs to be addressed.[[User:The Original Historygeek|The Original Historygeek]] ([[User talk:The Original Historygeek|talk]]) 17:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

== Seal of the Governor of Puerto Rico ==

With no previous discussion, someone removed the image of the Seal of the Governor of Puerto Rico. Users should have been allowed to comment on whether or not the seal should stay or go. If for no other reason, the seal should '''STAY''' because it makes the page much more visually attractive and is pertinent to the subject of the page. Remember, a page like this is downloaded and printed by schoolchildren looking for information for their school assignments and we can provide more thanm simply dry, staid text. I'd like to hear what others think. [[User:Pr4ever|Pr4ever]] ([[User talk:Pr4ever|talk]]) 10:53, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
:Looking at it from a purely uniformity viewpoint, it does not appear that any other state or territorial governor has the seal of his or her office or state in their article either, nor does Obama's. Just a thought. [[User:The Original Historygeek|The Original Historygeek]] ([[User talk:The Original Historygeek|talk]]) 15:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
*I am always in favor of the use of the seals and emblems which represent the subjects discussed in their respective articles. In this case, of course I would agree that the seal should stay, however there is one small detail and that is that the image in question is not "public domain". The person who removed the image of the seal from the article stated the following: ''"No rationale for use in this article"''. Therefore, if an image of the seal is going to be used in the Honorable Fortuño's article, a PD image should be uploaded or in this case a "rationale" of usage in the article should be added in the image's page. Here is an example of a rationale that can be used:

'''Rationale for use in Luis Fortuño'''
1. The image is placed in the infobox at the top of the article discussing the Governor of Puerto Rico, a subject of public interest.

[[User:Marine 69-71|Tony the Marine]] ([[User talk:Marine 69-71|talk]]) 00:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

== IP from the Goverment of Puerto Rico ==

I reverted an unsourced edit that was made by an IP [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:64.185.219.17 64.185.219.17] from the Office of Management and Budget (OGP) from the Goverment of Puerto Rico. [http://www.ip2location.com/demo.aspx IP data]. Edits from this IP should be watch carefully. It should be noted that this people are using government resources to edit Wikipedia instead of working on the economy!!!! What a shame. --[[User:Jmundo|Jmundo]] ([[User talk:Jmundo|talk]]) 16:35, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

== Commonwealth info in opening paragraph ==

I feel as though all of the info explaining PR's status as a commonwealth isn't particularly relevant to the article, and if it is, it doesn't belong in the opening paragraph. Thoughts? --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 02:51, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

It very much ''does'' belong in the opening paragraph, because PR has a unique status within the federal Union, and the Governor's role is also unique. Moreso, saying that PR is an "unincorporated territory" is simply completely, totally inaccurate and minimizes the importance and status of the role of the PR governor, and PR government. PR is a self governing, incorporated and constitutional Commonwealth territory. It is by no reasonable political definition an "unincorporated" anything. As an example, American Samoa is an unincorporated, federally administered territory and even they have a governor. However, PR has a complete, autonomous, constitutional government with separated powers and branches of government that possesses the same structure as any constitutionally established federal state in the Union of the United States. It is more incorporated than the District of Columbia, which, although it finally got some semblance of home rule in the 1970's, is still subject to the whims of the US Congress, which can overrule anything that the DC Mayor and City Government does. Congress does not have that authority over the government of PR.
PR has Commonwealth status in the US. Citizens of PR do not pay federal income tax, for instance, but they are full citizens of the United States, just as any citizen of any of the 50 states or the DC. PR is a uniquely completely formed self governing commonwealth territory within and under the Federal Constitution of the United States. To say PR is "unincorporated" means that all 50 states and DC are also equally "unincorporated". What makes PR politically unique is its status withing the Federal Union. It is essentially neither fish (a state) nor fowl (an independent nation). Not coincidentally, one of PR's main domestic political issues is its status. As a Commonwealth they essentially get all the benefits of being in the US Federal System without many of the obligations (federal income taxes, excise taxes, etc.). There have been two main groups in the debate - those who believe that PR should be a full state, and those who believe that PR is a US colonial possession and is being oppressed by the US and think PR should be an independent nation (this second group were behind the terrorist attacks, and the attempted assassination of President Truman, in the 1950's). PR is a Commonwealth Territory of the United States. It is not an unincorporated territory - it is a fully incorporated, fully politically vested self governing Commonwealth Territory and a part of the United States under the US Federal Constitution. It is not "unincorporated". [[User:Themoodyblue|Themoodyblue]] ([[User talk:Themoodyblue|talk]]) 14:01, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

== First paragraph cleanup ==

I have simplified the first paragraph, removing superfluous POV content, as well as the clearly incorrect statement that the NPP is closely aligned to the GOP.

First of all, the NPP is not aligned to any national party. While two of the Governors it has elected, Ferré and Fortuño, are Republicans, two of the Governors it has elected, Romero and Rosselló, are Democrats. Fortuño's running mate, Pedro Pierluisi, as well as the person he appointed as his first in line of succession, Secretary of State Kenneth McClintock, are Democrats! The excised statement was totally incorrect.

Second, consensus within multiple Puerto Rico-related articles in Wikipedia is that the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico is a territory of the United States. Several of the excised statements are totally incorrect. Unincorporated territories DO have governors (Guam and the USVI, for example), and Puerto Rico is not the only non-state Commonwealth in the US (do not forget the CNMI).

Before trying to reinsert extraneous or superfluous material in the first graph, editors should seek consensus through a discussion in this page! [[User:Pr4ever|Pr4ever]] ([[User talk:Pr4ever|talk]]) 03:44, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
:Thanks for answering my concerns. --[[User:Kevin W.|Kevin W.]] 05:11, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

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