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This chart is listed among the deprecated charts stating that "this is a critic's list, not a reflection of sales or airplay". I think whoever wrote this possibly only assumed it from the chart's name and didn't take the time to look into it properly, or got the wrong information from somewhere. I'm from Hungary and this chart in fact was always an airplay chart and it was never a critic's list. At the bottom of this page (https://slagerlistak.hu/editors-choice-top-40-slagerlista) there is an explanation in Hungarian about how this airplay chart works and what's the difference between the "Rádiós Top 40" airplay chart and this one. "Rádiós Top 40" is based on audience impression, so the bigger a radio station the bigger the influence it has on the chart. The "Editors' Choice Top 40" airplay chart measures spins from all the stations without taking into consideration the reach of the radio stations. It is similar how in the USA there's Radio Songs chart with audience impression stats and the Pop Airplay chart with spins only. I would like to suggest that this chart should be eligible to use, but only when a song couldn't enter the "Rádiós Top 40" chart, as I believe that should be considered as the main one. What are your thoughts about this? Thanks for taking the time reading my suggestion [[User:Kirtap92|Kirtap92]] ([[User talk:Kirtap92|talk]]) 09:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
This chart is listed among the deprecated charts stating that "this is a critic's list, not a reflection of sales or airplay". I think whoever wrote this possibly only assumed it from the chart's name and didn't take the time to look into it properly, or got the wrong information from somewhere. I'm from Hungary and this chart in fact was always an airplay chart and it was never a critic's list. At the bottom of this page (https://slagerlistak.hu/editors-choice-top-40-slagerlista) there is an explanation in Hungarian about how this airplay chart works and what's the difference between the "Rádiós Top 40" airplay chart and this one. "Rádiós Top 40" is based on audience impression, so the bigger a radio station the bigger the influence it has on the chart. The "Editors' Choice Top 40" airplay chart measures spins from all the stations without taking into consideration the reach of the radio stations. It is similar how in the USA there's Radio Songs chart with audience impression stats and the Pop Airplay chart with spins only. I would like to suggest that this chart should be eligible to use, but only when a song couldn't enter the "Rádiós Top 40" chart, as I believe that should be considered as the main one. What are your thoughts about this? Thanks for taking the time reading my suggestion [[User:Kirtap92|Kirtap92]] ([[User talk:Kirtap92|talk]]) 09:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Kirtap92}} Thanks for the information. Seeing that that's the case, I agree with you that this is indeed a reliable chart and can be used as long as the songs didn't enter the "Rádiós Top 40" already. Let's see if anyone else wants to comment on this. [[User:FanDePopLatino|FanDePopLatino]] ([[User talk:FanDePopLatino|talk]]) 22:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
:{{ping|Kirtap92}} Thanks for the information. Seeing that that's the case, I agree with you that this is indeed a reliable chart and can be used as long as the songs didn't enter the "Rádiós Top 40" already. Let's see if anyone else wants to comment on this. [[User:FanDePopLatino|FanDePopLatino]] ([[User talk:FanDePopLatino|talk]]) 22:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC) |
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::{{ping|Kirtap92}} I agree with these points and support your suggestion. [[User:Sricsi|Sricsi]] ([[User talk:Sricsi|talk]]) 23:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Italy Airplay (EarOne) == |
== Italy Airplay (EarOne) == |
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Is [https://earone.com/charts/earone-airplay-stranieri/2024/41 this chart] considered an official one? It is currently included in a bunch of articles like [[I'm His, He's Mine]], [[Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido]], and [[Feels Like I'm Falling in Love]]. I haven't been able to find a GA where it has been used yet. ''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 23:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
Is [https://earone.com/charts/earone-airplay-stranieri/2024/41 this chart] considered an official one? It is currently included in a bunch of articles like [[I'm His, He's Mine]], [[Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido]], and [[Feels Like I'm Falling in Love]]. I haven't been able to find a GA where it has been used yet. ''[[User:MaranoFan|<b style="color:purple">N</b>]][[User talk:MaranoFan|<b style="color:teal">Ø</b>]]'' 23:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Would this be an okay chart to include? I've already added it to several pages but if it's considered a bad chart I will remove them. [[User:Pillowdelight|Pillowdelight]] ([[User talk:Pillowdelight|talk]]) 08:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC) |
Would this be an okay chart to include? I've already added it to several pages but if it's considered a bad chart I will remove them. [[User:Pillowdelight|Pillowdelight]] ([[User talk:Pillowdelight|talk]]) 08:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:No, this is downloads by radio stations of tracks to play on air. It's not a ranking of public consumption. [[User:Heartfox|Heartfox]] ([[User talk:Heartfox|talk]]) 17:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC) |
:No, this is downloads by radio stations of tracks to play on air. It's not a ranking of public consumption. [[User:Heartfox|Heartfox]] ([[User talk:Heartfox|talk]]) 17:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Why are radio monitor charts unacceptable…. [[User:Zacharythoden|Zacharythoden]] ([[User talk:Zacharythoden|talk]]) 23:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== South Korea Songs == |
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Looks like we included [[K-pop Hot 100]], but when the chart was discontinued and migrated to [[South Korea Songs]], we stopped using it. Why is that? [[User:RachelTensions|RachelTensions]] ([[User talk:RachelTensions|talk]]) 16:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:We still do but limited, maybe see [[Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 19#About Billboard's Hits of the World charts|this discussion]] on Billboard's [[Hits of the World]] that South Korea Songs is part of. '''<span style="color:#f535aa">—</span> [[User:Paper9oll|<span style="background:#f535aa;color:#fff;padding:2px;border-radius:5px">Paper9oll</span>]] <span style="color:#f535aa">([[User talk:Paper9oll|🔔]] • [[Special:Contributions/Paper9oll|📝]])</span>''' 17:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Radioscope New Zealand certifications == |
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There appears to be a database with updated RMNZ certifications for [https://www.radioscope.co.nz/2024/04/06/single-cert-search/ singles] and [https://www.radioscope.co.nz/2024/00/00/album-cert-search/ albums]. These certifications correspond to those appearing on the [[Official Aotearoa Music Charts]] website. Should these be treated as official certifications on Wikipedia? [[User:Everm4e|Everm4e]] ([[User talk:Everm4e|talk]]) 14:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Yes, I believe these should be treated as official certifications. The database of RMNZ certifications is hosted on the Radioscope website. According to the [[Official Aotearoa Music Charts]] website, Radioscope is an official partner of Recorded Music NZ used by them to collect radio airplay data.<ref>{{cite web|url=https://aotearoamusiccharts.co.nz/about|title=About the Chart|access-date=16 December 2024}}</ref> Radioscope also previously used to publish all of the Official New Zealand Music Charts on their website, before they were spun off into their own website.<ref>{{cite web|url=http://www.radioscope.net.nz/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=3&Itemid=32 |title=Charts - RadioScope New Zealand |work=radioscope.net.nz |access-date=28 August 2011 |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090526232524/http://www.radioscope.net.nz/index.php?option=com_content&task=section&id=3&Itemid=32 |archive-date=May 26, 2009 }}</ref> [[User:Flabshoe1|Flabshoe1]] ([[User talk:Flabshoe1|talk]]) 17:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Flabshoe1|Flabshoe1]] ([[User talk:Flabshoe1|talk]]) 17:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== China TME UNI Chart == |
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There has been [[Wikipedia talk:Record charts/Archive 19#China sales| discussion in 2022]] about the China TME UNI Chart, the concern about it was [[Wikipedia:SINGLEVENDOR]] at that time. Since then, the chart has added sources from other vendors as well, making it more suitable for inclusion: |
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1. It is published by a recognized reliable source. The chart is published both at [https://yobang.tencentmusic.com/chart/uni-chart/rankList/?issue=202449 the TME website] and [https://www.billboard.com/charts/china-tme-uni-songs/ the Billboard website]. |
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2. It covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources. According to [https://www.billboard.com/charts/china-tme-uni-songs/ the Billboard website] ( mouse at the i logo on the page) and other news reports, the chart covers following sources: |
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*(QQ Music, Kugou Music, Kuwo Music, WeSing, Tencent Video) from [[Tencent]] |
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*[[Weibo]] music from [[Sina Corporation]][https://m.huanqiu.com/article/9CaKrnKliPw 1] |
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*as well as national radio stations (more than 100 radio stations, belongs to different vendors in many cities of China [https://d.youth.cn/newtech/202103/t20210325_12800076.htm 2]) |
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3. It is static, that is, the data in the chart cannot change. |
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Could this chart be added to the list now? [[User:生米一粒|生米一粒]] ([[User talk:生米一粒|talk]]) 23:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Hungary's Editors' Choice Top 40 chart
[edit]This chart is listed among the deprecated charts stating that "this is a critic's list, not a reflection of sales or airplay". I think whoever wrote this possibly only assumed it from the chart's name and didn't take the time to look into it properly, or got the wrong information from somewhere. I'm from Hungary and this chart in fact was always an airplay chart and it was never a critic's list. At the bottom of this page (https://slagerlistak.hu/editors-choice-top-40-slagerlista) there is an explanation in Hungarian about how this airplay chart works and what's the difference between the "Rádiós Top 40" airplay chart and this one. "Rádiós Top 40" is based on audience impression, so the bigger a radio station the bigger the influence it has on the chart. The "Editors' Choice Top 40" airplay chart measures spins from all the stations without taking into consideration the reach of the radio stations. It is similar how in the USA there's Radio Songs chart with audience impression stats and the Pop Airplay chart with spins only. I would like to suggest that this chart should be eligible to use, but only when a song couldn't enter the "Rádiós Top 40" chart, as I believe that should be considered as the main one. What are your thoughts about this? Thanks for taking the time reading my suggestion Kirtap92 (talk) 09:20, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
- @Kirtap92: Thanks for the information. Seeing that that's the case, I agree with you that this is indeed a reliable chart and can be used as long as the songs didn't enter the "Rádiós Top 40" already. Let's see if anyone else wants to comment on this. FanDePopLatino (talk) 22:26, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Kirtap92: I agree with these points and support your suggestion. Sricsi (talk) 23:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Italy Airplay (EarOne)
[edit]Is this chart considered an official one? It is currently included in a bunch of articles like I'm His, He's Mine, Si Antes Te Hubiera Conocido, and Feels Like I'm Falling in Love. I haven't been able to find a GA where it has been used yet. NØ 23:21, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
- Quoting myself from a previous discussion, yes, it is considered official and reliable by a variety of RS, eg. Corriere della Sera [1], La Repubblica [2], La Stampa [3] or Rolling Stone [4]. Never found any articles/sources questioning its reliability. An assortment of citations from just the last few days: Billboard [5], Il Resto del Carlino [6], Sky TG24 [7], Radio Italia [8], Fanpage.it [9], Tuttosport [10], Rockol [11], Affaritaliani [12], Radio Dimensione Suono [13] and others (eg. [14] or [15]). Cavarrone 20:30, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
Indonesian music chart
[edit]So, Indonesia, from its own Recording Industry Association (ASIRI), actually had their own weekly-updated music chart since 2023. They had ASIRI Top 50 Mixed Chart for all genres and Top 10 Indonesian Chart for the domestic releases. The charts were formulated by BMAT Music Innovators, just like The Official South African Charts and Indian Music Industry's IMI International Top 20 Singles. They only posted them on their Instagram page and Facebook page though, just like Malaysian's RIM Chart did. Can we start using this as official source? Byy2 (talk) 17:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)
Billboard Canada charts
[edit]All of the archives for Canada Digital Song Sales, Canada AC, Canada Hot AC, CHR/Top 40, and All-Format Airplay have been seemingly wiped from the Billboard website and no longer appear in artist chart histories. This is why it was important to have archived these URLs, especially for Canada Digital Song Sales as that also contained the 1996–2006 Nielsen SoundScan charts for Canada. Heartfox (talk) 07:14, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
- I noticed this too, I thought I was going crazy or something. It's like that for the Canada Rock songs charts too. Perhaps they are just under maintenance and updating the systems, to wipe the old system and implement a new one? The charts are set to update tonight locally, so maybe they might go back online then. If not, we might have a bigger issue on our hands here. Rockmusicfanatic20 (talk) 18:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ten days later, and there has been no notice from Billboard as to what is going on with the Canadian airplay charts or digital song sales. I am wondering if we should switch to using Pollstar (which posts Mediabase charts) for Canadian airplay. Otherwise, we will end up with little or no Canadian music charts outside of the Canadian Hot 100. Yeehaw45 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support using Mediabase via Pollstar. Just need to format it as "Canada Country (Mediabase)", etc. I tried archviving the URL on Archive.org but it doesn't load, seems it only works for archive.today. Example. Heartfox (talk) 19:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, important to format it that way. Good catch with the archiving. I'll begin to use archive.today for these charts. -Yeehaw45 (talk) 19:22, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Pollstar also has a license to publish Mediabase charts. Per Mediabase website, The charts are "Published weekly in Pollstar..." Heartfox (talk) 19:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support using Mediabase via Pollstar. Just need to format it as "Canada Country (Mediabase)", etc. I tried archviving the URL on Archive.org but it doesn't load, seems it only works for archive.today. Example. Heartfox (talk) 19:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
- Ten days later, and there has been no notice from Billboard as to what is going on with the Canadian airplay charts or digital song sales. I am wondering if we should switch to using Pollstar (which posts Mediabase charts) for Canadian airplay. Otherwise, we will end up with little or no Canadian music charts outside of the Canadian Hot 100. Yeehaw45 (talk) 18:45, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Yangaroo Canada charts
[edit]I'm not sure if any users are familiar with Yangaroo — I came across their website and noticed they publish weekly charts in Canada for songs under three categories: Top Downloads, Top CanCon Downloads and Most Active Indies. All categories have only 10 positions.
Billboard Canada also publishes Yangaroo's weekly results stating: The following are tracks delivered to radio by digital distributor Yangaroo in Canada and broken down into three categories. Top Downloads and Top Canadian Downloads represent the most copied tracks. Most Active Indies blends downloads and streams, with the affiliated label and radio promotions company in parentheses. Yangaroo's website states: Top Downloads are the most downloaded singles on DMDS during the given period. Top CanCon Downloads are the most downloaded singles on DMDS marked by the sender as Canadian Content during the given period. Most Active indies are the most streamed and downloaded singles on DMDS during the given period on releases not directly promoted to radio by any of the major record companies.
Would this be an okay chart to include? I've already added it to several pages but if it's considered a bad chart I will remove them. Pillowdelight (talk) 08:29, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
- No, this is downloads by radio stations of tracks to play on air. It's not a ranking of public consumption. Heartfox (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]Why are radio monitor charts unacceptable…. Zacharythoden (talk) 23:23, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
South Korea Songs
[edit]Looks like we included K-pop Hot 100, but when the chart was discontinued and migrated to South Korea Songs, we stopped using it. Why is that? RachelTensions (talk) 16:06, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
- We still do but limited, maybe see this discussion on Billboard's Hits of the World that South Korea Songs is part of. — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 17:16, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
Radioscope New Zealand certifications
[edit]There appears to be a database with updated RMNZ certifications for singles and albums. These certifications correspond to those appearing on the Official Aotearoa Music Charts website. Should these be treated as official certifications on Wikipedia? Everm4e (talk) 14:38, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, I believe these should be treated as official certifications. The database of RMNZ certifications is hosted on the Radioscope website. According to the Official Aotearoa Music Charts website, Radioscope is an official partner of Recorded Music NZ used by them to collect radio airplay data.[1] Radioscope also previously used to publish all of the Official New Zealand Music Charts on their website, before they were spun off into their own website.[2] Flabshoe1 (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC) Flabshoe1 (talk) 17:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
China TME UNI Chart
[edit]There has been discussion in 2022 about the China TME UNI Chart, the concern about it was Wikipedia:SINGLEVENDOR at that time. Since then, the chart has added sources from other vendors as well, making it more suitable for inclusion:
1. It is published by a recognized reliable source. The chart is published both at the TME website and the Billboard website.
2. It covers sales or broadcast outlets from multiple sources. According to the Billboard website ( mouse at the i logo on the page) and other news reports, the chart covers following sources:
- (QQ Music, Kugou Music, Kuwo Music, WeSing, Tencent Video) from Tencent
- Weibo music from Sina Corporation1
- as well as national radio stations (more than 100 radio stations, belongs to different vendors in many cities of China 2)
3. It is static, that is, the data in the chart cannot change.
Could this chart be added to the list now? 生米一粒 (talk) 23:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
- ^ "About the Chart". Retrieved 16 December 2024.
- ^ "Charts - RadioScope New Zealand". radioscope.net.nz. Archived from the original on May 26, 2009. Retrieved 28 August 2011.