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About: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Sputnik_(news_agency)&oldid=683515616 Please learn to read before making nonsense, messing up things and to insult other people. I don't care a bit of what others says, but (accidentally for you) my count was the only correct since also information on their official site is outdated, and you reverted to that outdated data. Have a nice day. - [[User:ElSaxo|ElSaxo]] ([[User talk:ElSaxo|talk]]) 03:32, 1 October 2015 (UTC) |
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Please read [[WP:BLP]]. If you're adding contentious information about living persons, you need to be careful it is well sourced and does not contain any [[WP:OR]]. [[User:Tristario|Tristario]] ([[User talk:Tristario|talk]]) 00:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:It didn't seem contentious to me, the current wording was just a bit convoluted...to challenge the existence of something is to deny it. '''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC) |
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Dont be redundant please. If you mention that the organization was banned in 2007, do it on the first paragraph of the article or in the last one, but not in both, as that simply redundant.--[[User:HCPUNXKID|<font color="Purple">HC</font>]][[User_talk:HCPUNXKID|<font color="Gold">PUNX</font>]]<font color="Purple">KID</font> 22:08, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:it's not redundant to have a mention in the lede and then have expanded info in the history section. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 22:10, 8 April 2014 (UTC) |
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As I mentioned at [[Talk:2014 pro-Russian protests in Ukraine]], I'd like to start a new summary article to deal with the vast scope of the Ukrainian crisis, and direct people to the appropriate places. I've started such a draft at [[Draft:2014 Ukrainian crisis]], and could use your valuable help in getting it up to snuff. Please do assist in that regard. I've given my proposal more detail at the pro-Russian protests article talk page. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 20:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: awesome, ill try to take a look in a bit --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 20:16, 9 April 2014 (UTC) |
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* My apologies for the accidental reverts. Was having edit conflicts, because we were both editing at the same time. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:02, 10 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: no problem! --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Please stop your disruptive editing, personal attacks, and soapboxing. [[WP:DISRUPT]] Your comments are not helpful: "''Which part was bombastic? Armed rebels have indeed taken the SBU building and are holding hostages and have planted explosives in the building. This is the [[Die Hard]] definition of terrorism, I don't think I exaggerated.''" You could perhaps refer to [[WP:TERRORIST]]. |
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Lurking in the Talk pages of articles that you don't like, and insulting everyone who don't think like you is not a good way to advance your ideas. Just my 2 cents. |
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Anyway, I apologize if I insulted you in any way. I will stop replying to your posts. Have a nice day.[[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 14:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I fail to see how stating facts is either disruptive, or "lurking in talk pages of articles I don't like". I'm not insulted, I'm just confused how you arrived at these bizarre conclusions. Is this because I pointed you you appear to be an [[WP:SPA]]? Just calling a [[WP:SPADE|spade a spade]].--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:49, 10 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Ok then forget it. I forgive you. [[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 14:54, 10 April 2014 (UTC) |
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I'd like to update this map, but Inkscape isn't letting me select the various different oblasts, for whatever reason. Do you know what program was used to make it, so that I can update it? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:52, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I didnt make that one, looks like someone used a color fill tool but the tolerance was set too low so all those orange borders were left over. I'd suggest making a new one. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:55, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Got it. Which is the base map used by it? It is the same one as the 'Russian protests' one, but I can't find one without any colouring. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 15:13, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:*[[Anastasia Dmitruk|FYI]], just created - if you are interested. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 18:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: I do sometimes, but not always. Can always be cleaned up later.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: You're offended by me quoting your edit summaries? Now that's a new one. What do you intend to report me for?--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 23:27, 12 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Please stop trolling that page dude '''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 21:24, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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You must be proud. You win. I asked Wikipedia to officially close my account. Congratulations. [[User:Cmoibenlepro|Cmoibenlepro]] ([[User talk:Cmoibenlepro|talk]]) 21:19, 13 April 2014 (UTC) |
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[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzERkz000Ts Ya'll come back] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:27, 13 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Just want to archive some of these gems: |
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{{quotation|I am asking for closing my account. Forever. |
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Reason: I am personally targeted by the nationalistic hatred of User:Lvivske, as everyday he would bully me, and comment everything I ever posted. I was harassed, threatened, and slandered as I was supposedly against his nationalistic Ukrainian POV. I do not understand why |
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I tried to ask for help in the page Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#Trolling editor Lvivske, but I was not helped. On the opposite, he continued to troll me on that page. |
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I want to end this.}} |
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{{quotation|I am crying now... I just said that he wanted to see a connection between this article and this incident, and he'd liked to put it. I never wanted to say anything more. Please stop talking to me and I will never again go to your User page or post anything on Wikipedia. PLEASE STOP HARASSING AND BULLYING ME, AS YOU ARE DOING RIGHT NOW Your current comments about me are driving me crazy.}} |
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{{quotation|Could you please stop talking to me? I am begging you! Please, I could not sleep because you are all against me, and I feel bullied, threatened and insulted. This is not funny at all. Please stop your personal attacks against me. This is only what I ask. I want to be in security when I post to wikipedia without being harassed. Please stop, I will never go to your talk page again, I promise.}} |
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:: Hey, can I save some of these for further generations? [[User:Ali-al-Bakuvi|Ali-al-Bakuvi]] ([[User_talk:Ali-al-Bakuvi|talk]]) 17:04, 22 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Removal of Kosovo == |
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I'm sorry, but it's neither WP:SYNTH nor OR, it's official point by [[President of Russia|Russian head of state]], from [[Kremlin.ru|his official site]]. Why do you remove it? [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 06:56, 14 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: the section was on legal aspects of the situation itself, not historical analogies.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 07:32, 14 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::This ''is'' legal aspect (even if disputed by the West), because Court noted that "Intl' law contains no prohibiton of self-determination", therefore it's "not necessary to comply with national law" and Russia now uses this ruling as a legal (or politico-legal) argument against Ukrainian claims (see also [[Declaration of Independence of the Republic of Crimea]], which ''explicitly'' referrend to this [[International Court of Justice advisory opinion on Kosovo's declaration of independence|decision]]). This argument (or at least link to Kosovo precedent) must stay, in my opinion, because it plays too significant role in these events to be ignored. And for "not historical analogies": they sometimes become legal aspect too, see [[precedent]] article. Bests, [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 11:46, 14 April 2014 (UTC) |
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My God, if you really are an idiot if you think that your lies and propaganda can fool someone? 500-600 protesters, they are supported by 15% of the people, the junta's "government" ... A month ago you lay down to sleep in Ukraine and woke up without Crimea and good night because free people of Dombas (in all cities) cleaned the fascist scum from their cities! |
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Do you dare to bet that next week you will not edit protests against the junta in free Dombas? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 03:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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The main protesters requirement is defense of democracy from the junta who has destroyed democracy and made a coup. The second requirement is the defense of press freedom since the junta closed 40 TV and radio stations, the third requirement is a referendum on the federalization of the state, fourthrequest ban of fascist law of Russian language (which is the mother tongue of the majority of citizens of Ukraine) but idiots like you create lies and propaganda, have never read the requirements of demonstrators and because of these idiots Donbas 4.5 million people, 2.5 million people of Lugansk and 3.5 million citizens of the Kharkiv area wants a democratic referendum. Of course, do not count Crimea because Crimea is another continent in relation to the junta in Kiev (democratic referendum is a wonderful thing) and Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk and other south-east are 50:50 for federalization. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 03:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Look who is talking! First of all my friend here doesn't even live in Ukraine, and two, he is definitely not an idiot. Just because he might be wrong somewhere doesn't mean you should call him names. By the way, read our policy regarding [[WP:AGF|assuming good faith]] and [[WP:NPA|personal attacks]] before ever calling anyone an ''idiot'' here.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 03:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: The IP user above has been inserting uncited rubbish and vandalizing articles (ie, changing figures and altering words from cited material) to push a pro-Russian POV that has no basis in reality. Just another day fighting the good fight, I guess. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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So, some man from a New Zenlad, Canada, Australia or other places where poor people emigrate knows "truth" about democratic protests in southeastern Ukraine, called them separatists and junta (who destroyed democracy) called "government", never read their demands (probably in Canada and Australia are not able to do so) but that it does not bother him to write nonsense and insult democratic protests. |
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Video from Odessa where protesters (who defending democracy and freedom of the press and the fundamental right on mother language ) go to the harbor to protest against USA destroyer is not a good source for him in Canada and he knows the truth, an article from the southeast which says that 25 VDV Brigade crossed on the side of the people against the junta is not a good source for him in Australia and he knows that no one supports the protesters. Clips of tens of thousands of protesters in Donetsk and Kharkov for him are not source, clips of Berkut on the side of the people against the junta is not source, clips of police Colonel and all police officers in Slovanske who moved on people side against junta for him are not the source. Stupidity "few hundred protesters", "supporting 10% of the population", junta is "government" , insulting people who struggle against the junta on a democratic way and looking for a democratic referendum for federalization calling separatists is cheap propaganda of a man who is far away 25000km from free part of Ukraine and has no idea what's going on and turns wiki in cheap propaganda as Local TV station from Lviv. |
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Yutube is an excellent source and if Radio Canada says several hundred protesters, perhaps the media in Donetsk Republic say 1 million Protestants but video can not lie. If a police colonel, all police officers, Berkut ... on video say that stood by the people against the junta then this is an excellent source and if Sydney radio or Kharkiv news may tell a different story the video does not lie. |
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Wicki is not owned by junta that one man chooses source that he likes, to insult democratic protesters and to spread propaganda and brutal lies. |
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When one man from Lviv thinks possess all and that can decide which is good source and who is not good, and to write propaganda and ban people who think differently, then this man first wake up without the Crimea and the next day without Donbas, Lugansk, Odesa, Kharkiv ... <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 04:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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junta junta junta --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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You have to try harder to make money because you know the truth: "Separatists are mercenaries each received $ 500 to protests" |
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: Correct, they get $500 and those who stand around and hold up signs get $42. It's a sad bunch. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::Do they get paid in [[Donetsk People's Dollars]]? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 04:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::: [http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/4/10/burger-king-crimeasanctions.html Burger King coupons]--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:58, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Smooth. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:00, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Well, you could become a millionaire in demonstrations instead you emigrated .Now i see that RT is not a reliable source for you but do not have a problem with the voice of Ukraine! |
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Voice of Ukraine is the property of the junta, funded by the junta and editorial policy make junta. Russia has no state capital in RT, state does not poses RT, Russia does not make the editorial policy of the RT.Russia does not participate directly in the conflict in southeastern Ukraine, but the junta is in conflict with the citizens of Ukraine |
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You in the West should learn that fascism will not pass and if you have not learned as an immigrant you can go back to the free territory of southeast because fascism does not pass here! |
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Sorry I have better things to do than to argue with emigrant who doing the dirty work in the west and produces dirty propaganda for the junta online! Free people of Dombas create Dombas Republic and it's a little significant job than your writing propaganda on wiki. |
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In Kiev people called junta "Facebook government" , you're writing propaganda for junta, so called Prime Minister has imaginary world... Fascism of information age |
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Greetings from the democratic parts of Ukraine who is independent from the junta. Folk wisdom says, "independent as Crime" :) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 05:07, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbbd-9Pv9ZU Eight! Eight juntas! ah ah ah ah] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:11, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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When the gang make a coup, destroying democracy, parliament beating opponents, crush 40 media, fire on their own people, introduce fascist laws on language, sends the fascists in schools to teach children to hate, expressed gold reserves abroad and imported foreign mercenaries (and director of the CIA command).... then the whole world calls this gang junta. |
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I personally enjoy watching online brave fascists who later whine and cry , " we have lost all the cities in Lugansk area and Dombas . Crimea is another continent, in Odessa 15000 demonstrate against the junta ... "," In Kharkov young fascists do not walk, but go on knees "... |
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There was once average state with average problems and then junta made coup and average state does not exist, but there are a few new ones. |
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People of southeast it will not destroy the junta because they will be second states but ordinary people from fascist western Ukraine will destroy JUNTA when understand what they had before the coup and now that Ukraine does not exist and that the junta has increased prices by 50% and salaries and pensions reduced. People in the Southeast wanted a federation of Ukraine, because love Ukraine more then fascists in the west of the country, but junta began to shoot on the people and at the end junta will dream of federalization because southeast will leave Ukraine only because today's behavior of junta. Think about this for half a year. This is a consequence of this behavior as you do "lie and write crap because you think that you can do that without consequences and when reality smacking your foreheadthen it is too late". Generally, ask yourself the question for six months "if federalization was a better solution, but this is what is happening now" |
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Over and out <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.2.93.233|188.2.93.233]] ([[User talk:188.2.93.233|talk]]) 05:50, 15 April 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:9 juntas and 6 fascists that time. Nice. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:11, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::Your IP editor is from Servia, not Ukraine. So he/she is outside Ukraine just like the people in Australia and New Zealand he/she complains about.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 07:06, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::First of all, Lvivske, you shouldn't provoke this discussion by laughing and counting the number of times he says ''junta'' and/or ''fascists'' it will just escalate a conflict between you two. Instead, try to explain him the rules and guidelines as I did. |
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:::Now, to the anonymous user: First, please understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not news agency (although I heard otherwise, like it can even be a political force, but it was just rumours on the net). Second, please take a note that [[Wikipedia:Content disclaimer|Wikipedia can contain information with which your views might disagree]]. Third, [[YouTube]] is not a source, as well as [[tweeter]] and personal blogs, see our guideline on it[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NEWSBLOG#Sources_that_are_usually_not_reliable here]. Four, everyone is [[Wikipedia:Introduction|welcome]] to [[Wikipedia:Be bold|contribute]] to Wikipedia as long as you abide by [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|the rules]]. And last but not least, as a personal note, I am an immigrant too. I was born in Russia but then moved to USA, and it doesn't mean that I am not welcomed here. As far as ''fascists'' go, people in Western Ukraine are not the same ''fascists'' which were there 60 years ago. In fact, they fought against Germans, but also fought against Soviets and Poles, because they wanted their Western part to be independent from the rest of the USSR.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 14:28, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::::I'm not going to waste my time arguing with another IP troll. I'd much rather count the juntas.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::Good exercise before going to bed, instead of [[counting sheep]], [[Wikipedia:Counting juntas|count juntas]]. {{smiley}}--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 15:16, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Lvivske}}, thumbs up on dealing with the weirdo junta-man. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 01:53, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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==[[Oleksandr Turchynov]]== |
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Hi dear friend, can you be kind to check if my [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Oleksandr_Turchynov&diff=604248561&oldid=604246349 edit here] is correctly written? Many thanks. Yours,--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 03:32, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:Thanks for the fix. I was a bit confused on what term to use when it came to pro-Russian thing. Like, called them separatists will spark outrage, I thought, and mob wasn't as good as I thought, so thanks for calling them ''insurgents'' since that's the most common term, but it still might be disputed because insurgency is name for what's going on in Iraq and on Afghan-Pakistani border. I personally, wont dispute it, I care less, but bear it in mind. Thanks a ton again!--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 14:34, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::Insurgency is the correct term, as is separatists (they want to separate, yes? it's as simple as that). Users on the other end of the spectrum will want to whtiewash it and call them "activists" and "protesters" even if they have guns and bombs, which I think shouldn't be catered to. There's being neutral and then there's just ignoring reality to make everyone happy, and that doesn't tell the story correctly.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:36, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Hi again, can you kindly check my update to above article so that everything will be in correct English? Many thanks.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 17:21, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::::The above article apparently was vandalized by an anonymous user, can you kindly check?--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 22:37, 15 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Does this article have any specific area that needs touch up? I'd be willing to do some refurbishment, if it is necessary. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 18:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: for sure compare my diff to my most recent diff and see what others have done. From what I can see some users have inserted some sketchy info with non-RS sources, so that would be the first thing to assess. I'm usually on top of reviewing material but that gap where I took a break is where the 'refurb' stuff came in in small doses --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:16, 16 April 2014 (UTC) |
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*By the way, should we include anything about the supposed/non-existent Odessa People's Republic in the unrest article? I feel like we should at least have a mention of the fiasco, as the [[Odessa People's Republic]] article is likely to be deleted. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 19:36, 16 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::I'd only mention it if it were real, otherwise relegate the snafu to the timeline. if it was just an internet hoax then its not worth being the be-all-end-all of odessa activity, ya know? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:49, 16 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Yeah, the timeline seems appropriate. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 21:18, 16 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Can you check if the above edit to the article adds a due weight content? Man ythanks in advance.--[[User:Mishae|Mishae]] ([[User talk:Mishae|talk]]) 01:06, 17 April 2014 (UTC) |
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The source doesn't say [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Viktor_Yanukovych&diff=604627553&oldid=604626817 this]. And I suspect you know it already. --[[User:Moscow Connection|Moscow Connection]] ([[User talk:Moscow Connection|talk]]) 18:49, 17 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: The quote is verbatim from the source. I want to assume good faith but this is twice now you'd said this, so flatly you are lying now and blanking content. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 18:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: It's resolved: [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons/Noticeboard&diff=604637057&oldid=604636442]. It was probably due to some regional filtering or something. We didn't see the same page. Let's talk on the notification board. (I've already explained there why the information I removed and you re-added was incorrect.)<br />If you remove the warning section on my talk page with some edit summary explaining it was due to regional filtering or a mistake or misunderstanding or something, I will remove this section on your talk page too. --[[User:Moscow Connection|Moscow Connection]] ([[User talk:Moscow Connection|talk]]) 20:45, 17 April 2014 (UTC) |
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This message is being sent to multiple recipients. I've semiprotected the article [[Arseniy Yatsenyuk]] due to an ongoing edit war. In the future, please contact the IP on the [[User talk:71.39.6.142|talk page]] to prevent further edit wars. Please let me know if you have any questions! [[User:Nakon|<font color="#C50">'''Nakon'''</font>]] 06:22, 19 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== [[Yekaterina Gubareva]] == |
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Your argument could be used for [[Pavel Gubarev]] the same way or for Aksyonov, or the [[2014 Crimean referendum]]. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 01:39, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: we have an article on Aksyonov's wife? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 02:06, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::If you are going to turn the stub article on the wife into a redirect to the husband, then you need to have some stuff about her in the article on the husband.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 02:43, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::: I didn't turn it into a redirect...I PROD'd it.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 02:45, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 09:13, 20 April 2014 (UTC) |
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==Please refer to the talking page== |
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and don't delete user contributes, I suggest you not to participate in [[WP:WAR]] |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=List_of_people_killed_during_Euromaidan&action=history <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Wrant|Wrant]] ([[User talk:Wrant|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Wrant|contribs]]) 09:11, 21 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: my explanation was in the edit summary, this content was removed from other pages already --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:06, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: The content is reliable [[WP:RS], the article represents only one POV. I suggest you not to participate in [[WP:WAR]]. And again refer to the talking page if you have any evidence that the source is unreliable. --[[User:Wrant|Wrant]] ([[User talk:Wrant|talk]]) 20:07, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Weirdly enough, the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:List_of_people_killed_during_Euromaidan&action=history article talk page history] shows edits by Lvivske, but none by Wrant. Wrant, you also need to be writing on the talk page, explaining why your edit should stick. To incentivise you, if I find that you have not posted anything on the article talk page, I will revert your edit. You <u>both</u> should be discussing edits on the article talk page, not just one of you as now.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 20:16, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Indeed it does, but I am not familiar that every edit needs an own talk page remark. Further the used source is already in use by the German Wikipedia so I don't see who this source is in anyway unreliable. --[[User:Wrant|Wrant]] ([[User talk:Wrant|talk]]) 21:51, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: what a german news source speculates on is irrelevant clutter. That german-wiki has it doesn't mean this should have it per WP:OTHERSTUFF --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 23:58, 21 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::What do you pretend? That ARD is unreliable? We have many [[9/11 conspiracy theories|werid speculations]], but we not always remove them. [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 07:45, 22 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== Question about Soviet soldiers (in [[2014 Ukrainian revolution]]) == |
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{{Question}} Dear colleague, how "who fought against [[Nazi Germany]] in [[World War II]]" implies "liberation"? I don't see this, because [[fighting]] ([[combat]]) can be carried by any army (either "occupying" or "liberating"). And they [[Combat|fought]] against Nazi Germany, either way (see [[Eastern Front (World War II)]], known as [[:uk:Німецько-радянська війна|German-Soviet war]] in ukwiki and [[:ru:Великая Отечественная война|Great Patriotic War]] in Russia). [[User:Seryo93|Seryo93]] ([[User talk:Seryo93|talk]]) 07:41, 22 April 2014 (UTC) |
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: it's highly controversial since it says its a statue for fighting nazis, but the soviet union annexed that territory too. Rather than go back and forth on which POV is correct, just leave all POV out and state its a military statue. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:08, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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also by saying it's a statue for fighting Nazi Germany, it implies it was removed because people were pro-Nazi, when in fact it was removed because it was a symbol of occupation. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:10, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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==People's Republic of Odessa article history== |
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[[People's Republic of Odessa]] - This might interest you: |
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*07:59, 22 April 2014 Toddy1 . . . . (Nominate for speedy deletion - recreation of deleted article see [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Odessa People's Republic]]) |
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*07:45, 22 April 2014 Toddy1. . . . (Undid revision 605229779 by ArmijaDonetsk (talk) revert redirect to dead link) |
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*00:56, 22 April 2014 ArmijaDonetsk . . (37 bytes) (-5,445) . . (←Redirected page to Odessa People's Republic) |
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*19:28, 21 April 2014 Lihaas . . . . (→top: spelt out, i hope) |
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*19:26, 21 April 2014 Lihaas . . . . (→See also: ol) |
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*19:26, 21 April 2014 Lihaas . . . . (→History) |
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*19:25, 21 April 2014 Lihaas . . . . (←Created page with '{{Use dmy dates|date=April 2014}} {{Infobox country |conventional_long_name=People's Republic of Odessa |native_name= Одеса наро́дная респу́...') |
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== [[Draft:Donetsk crisis]] == |
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I'm starting a draft of a potential future article that will deal with content split off from [[Donetsk People's Republic]]. I personally think it makes sense to split information about the conflict off from the 'state entity'. I thought I should bring a draft to the table before proposing anything concrete. I don't know if you support this idea, but if you do, I would appreciate help in deciding what content to split off. Thanks, [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:03, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: good idea, it's really needed at this point. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 15:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::Can you help me with adding in information related to the crisis? I'm working on it now, but I'm not sure how to parse out which bits of information to move. I'll prepare a second draft for the post-split Donetsk People's Republic article after I've finished with this one. Also, I was wondering which infobox to use: civil conflict, or military conflict? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 15:35, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::: good question, it kinda covers both...i'd say military conflict since the one side is mostly paramilitary groups, that is, if we want to focus on the violence and not the protesters (but we have the pro-russia article to deal with the protest movement). I'll try to help but am a bit busy at the moment.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:06, 23 April 2014 (UTC) |
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I don't have the time to do it myself but an article on [[Putin's "Little Green Men"]] (or maybe [[Putin's Tourists]]) is pretty much overdue. Given the kinds of articles on this broad topic that have been found to pass notability criteria that would qualify with flying colors.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 03:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC) |
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::{{u|Volunteer Marek}}, it is not worth to compose those articles. Putin already acknowledged that the "green men" in Crimea were his Armed Forces. Heck, there is even a medal of taking over Crimea (Feb 20 - Mar 18). Note the dates of operations which started before Yanukovych ran away from Ukraine. Russia is using terrorist tactics in Ukraine. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 15:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC) |
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== [[Igor Strelkov (GRU)]] == |
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On April 26, 2014 Strelkov gave an exclusive interview to the [[Komsomolskaya Pravda]]. Search warrant as itself, of course, is not notable. He however is the leader of militia in Sloviansk. SBU made colossal amount of investigation on that matter. There are some 25 GRU agents that are already in the SBU's custody ([http://tyzhden.ua/News/108326 In Ukraine, the security services have arrested more than 25 saboteurs GRU RF]. [[The Ukrainian Week]]. April 24, 2014) and confirmed the fact that Strelkov is heading all the covert operations in the [[East Ukraine]]. Too bad [[Rueters]] chooses not follow on those facts and question the sources of SBU information. [[User:Aleksandr Grigoryev|Aleksandr Grigoryev]] ([[User talk:Aleksandr Grigoryev|talk]]) 15:22, 26 April 2014 (UTC) |
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==Article of interest== |
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Have you seen [https://www.rusi.org/downloads/assets/UKRANIANMILITARYDISPOSITIONS_RUSIBRIEFING.pdf this English think-tank briefing paper]?--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 20:55, 29 April 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I have not but I'll try to give it a read, thanks! --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:02, 29 April 2014 (UTC) |
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Did you see the [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27231649 BBC article] about the "green men"? There was an English language statement: "In an interview with the Russian tabloid Komsomolskaya Pravda last weekend, Commander "Strelkov" claimed that "more than half, or maybe two-thirds" of his force were Ukrainians."--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 06:44, 2 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: yeah, included it all in the Sloviansk article under the identity of militants section --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:47, 2 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== usual monkey business == |
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I got to go make dinner, but when I get a moment I'll file a new SPI. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/EkoGraf&offset=&limit=500&target=EkoGraf This dude], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/Arbutus_the_tree&dir=prev&target=Arbutus+the+tree this dude] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/SkoraPobeda this dude] look like the same person, and I noticed earlier a whole bunch of other accounts whose topics of interest are limited to the crisis in Ukraine and the war in Syria exclusively.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 20:59, 3 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: that's how it usually starts. Go to make dinner and all hell breaks loose --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:22, 3 May 2014 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Your tireless work on Ukraine crisis related articles is highly appreciated, even with the endless contention that is involved. Therefore, I award you this barnstar. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 18:18, 4 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Neutrality == |
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Please, you can not remove the neutrality message until the dispute is resolved. [[User:Hhmb|Hhmb]] ([[User talk:Hhmb|talk]]) 01:08, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: you can not add a template unless a dispute is ongoing —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:18, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::The template is not a substitute for discussion. Unless you specify what the issue is on the talk page, it will be removed. I removed it earlier because the dispute of the editor who placed it was solved on the talk page. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:47, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== What do you make of this? == |
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[http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/730400 This article] from [[ITAR-TASS]] says that there has been a western 'information blockade' on events going on in eastern Ukraine for the past couple of days. Obviously, we take what they say with a grain of salt. However, something that this article says is true. I've been keeping an eye on the OSCE website for a whole now, adding in their updates to the articles. Despite the fact that they issued a routine press release of updates on the situation each day since their mission has started, they stopped doing this after 30 April. There have been no daily updates since then, coinciding with the government counter-offensive. As such, we lack the kind of independent information they usually provide. I don't know what to make of it, to be honest. Perhaps there is some kind of an information blockade, or perhaps it is conspiracy junk. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Looks like typical whining. "No one knows that blood is being shed in Ukraine"? "troops are shooting unarmed people"? You may be on to something that there is a grain of truth to it (an OSCE blackout during the operation, seeing as the operation was also meant to release the OSCE military observers in Sloviansk) - but it seems to me that they took that pause in reporting and turned it into an international conspiracy / make Russian media look more credible vs. "the West" —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:Of course, the usual bombastic propagandising is there. That might be a good explanation for the lack of OSCE reporting, though. It really surprised me when they never provided updates about the military operations in Donetsk, or the Odessa fire. They were very thorough before. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 06:01, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Seems they only made a small note of remorse [http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/118264 on Odessa]. I can totally see an agency like ITAR turning [http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/118269 "pleased to have been able to assist the Ukrainian authorities in the efforts that led to their release."] into "OSCE admits it is abetting fascist junta authorities in their attack on civilians in Sloviansk" --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:19, 5 May 2014 (UTC) |
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==Protection== |
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I think we need to request full protection for the Odessa article. This is getting absurd, with the skewing of sources, but I'm not going to revert more and risk being blocked for it. Do you think you could do the requesting at [[WP:RPP]]? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:46, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: why me? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:48, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::I've done most of the reverting, and I'd prefer not to be accused of asking for protection because of my involvement in a content dispute. However, I'll do it if you think it is appropriate. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== you're being talked about == |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sandstein#.D0.9B.D1.8C.D0.B2.D1.96.D0.B2.D1.81.D1.8C.D0.BA.D0.B5 Here]. [[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 05:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:am aware. thanks. ugh. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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*What a headache. At least the article is protected now… I would like to know where all these socks are coming from, though. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: VK awareness groups? —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:50, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:I think that's a bit too strong. There are plenty of reasonable and friendly Russians in the world. It seems, at the moment, we are merely attracting those who wish to [[WP:Right great wrongs|right great wrongs]]. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::If you are surprised by this, maybe you should read [http://www.amazon.com/Led-Three-Lives-Communist-Counterspy/dp/B0006DEPDO this book]. The things described in the book were organised using 1940s technology. It is much easier to organise these things with 21st Century technology. The current demonstrations, the storming of buildings, etc. in Ukraine are organised. The method of organising that was most likely used is one called "directive control" or "auftragstaktik" (in connection with NATO/western military forces), or "democratic centralism" (in connection with the communist party). Basically, the central authority says what effect must be achieved, and local authorities have discretion about how they achieve it. It is a very effective method; it is not unique to the military and the communist party - for example central government in England has been using this method of controlling local government for more than 30 years. It should come as no surprise that Moscow-central also engages in information-operations in the virtual world; their predecessors always did such operations in the world of print media, radio, films, TV....--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 07:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::: How did we ever not get along? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 07:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Quick question == |
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Hi. I hope you are doing well. Sorry to bother, but I have a quick question in regards to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Donetsk_People%27s_Republic&oldid=prev&diff=607246352 this change]. Could you please point to the location in the text where "Denis Pushilin initially '''confirmed''' that the flyers were distributed by his organization"? I somehow missed this part. Thank you. With regards, [[User:Oleg Yunakov|<font face="Segoe Script">Oleg. Y.</font>]] ([[User talk:Oleg Yunakov|talk]]). 20:03, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: No problem. It was directly from the original ynet article [http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4510688,00.html] I've fixed the reference in the article --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 20:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Thank you. Now it makes sense. With regards, [[User:Oleg Yunakov|<font face="Segoe Script">Oleg. Y.</font>]] ([[User talk:Oleg Yunakov|talk]]). 20:36, 6 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Your revert restriction == |
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I may be misreading it, but aren't your edits to [[List of massacres in Ukraine]] covered by your 1RR/48hrs restriction? <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 16:03, 7 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: i've lost track. I'd self rev but have already been reverted. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:05, 7 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::Given that your recent appeal was declined so it's fresh in people's minds (which is the only reason I thought of it) you need to be very careful about reverting. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 16:09, 7 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::: I prefer to see myself as [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQ2hLSmJ9G0 a reckless cop on probation.] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:21, 7 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== People's Republic of Luhansk == |
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Hi, Seeing as you initially created a map for the Donetsk Republic, I was just wondering if you have made a similar map for the so-called Luhansk Peoples Republic. Although there is not a separate article for this subject at this stage I don't think that it would necessarily be a bad idea to have a some a visual representation given that the Republic was 'established' 10 days ago. I have created a map I believe to be accurate however have been waiting for a separate article to be created before I thought it was appropriate to upload. Any comments? [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 11:23, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Honestly I'm not even up on what cities have been occupied in Luhansk. I guess you can place your map in the Luhansk section of the pro-Russian unrest article until its necessary to split it off (which could be any day now, I'm not opposed to an article any more) —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:03, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::The OSCE consistently has said that only Luhansk city has had any occupations. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: thanks, wasnt sure. [https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/t1.0-9/1939662_257136684470141_686127520210170684_n.jpg This graphic] says otherwise though --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:That graphic seems questionable, if you ask me. OSCE has been all over the place in Donetsk, but in Luhansk they've only said Luhansk city has any problems. If there was significant unrest there, I believe they'd say so. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:47, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::Re: Gloucester; apart from Luhansk, there are reports that takeover of government buildings has occured in [http://odessa-daily.com.ua/news/gorod-antracit-vzyali-pod-kontrol-donskie-kazaki-id65127.html Antratsyt], [http://rusvesna.su/news/1398551718 Stakhanov], [http://lugradar.net/2014/04/13915 Krasnyi Luch], [http://cripo.com.ua/?sect_id=10&aid=174160 Pervomaisk], [http://kp.ua/politics/450745-alchevsk-pereshel-pod-kontrol-dnr Alchevsk], [http://www.nrcu.gov.ua/en/148/563935/ Sverdlovsk], [http://potok.ua/2014/05/08/severodoneck-separatisty-zaxvatili-zdanie-prokuratury.html Severodonetsk], [http://tvi.ua/new/2014/05/04/na_luhanschyni_boyovyky_vykraly_prykordonnykiv Stanica Luhanska] and [http://www.gazeta.ru/politics/news/2014/05/05/n_6130485.shtml Slovianoserbsk] amongst others. Attempted buidling occupations, along with the erection of checkpoints and referendum preparations, have been occuring [http://gigamir.net/news/kyiv/pub795629 Rovenky], Rubizhne, Lisichansk, [http://www.obzor.lg.ua/news/starobelsk35698 Starobilsk], [http://donetsk.comments.ua/news/2014/05/07/120506.html Krasnodon], [http://donetsk.comments.ua/news/2014/05/07/120506.html Mologvardeisk], etc. There may be more. Imho the sources are sufficient to evidence that the 'Republic' has spread beyond the regional capital. [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 03:38, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::: I'd double check the Severodonetsk claim since other sources I found said 2 men showed up but got nothing, otherwise I agree that it's beyond Luhansk, especially with Antrasyt. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 03:40, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: Allegedly up to a [http://nashagazeta.net/57991-voyna-prishla-v-severodoneck.html dozen] peoples seized the prosecutors office and the local [http://glavred.info/politika/na-luganschine-iz-za-ugroz-provayder-otklyuchil-devyat-ukrainskih-kanalov-279054.html television station]. You're right though it probably belongs in the second list of cities. [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 08:27, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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*I'm slightly concerned about all of this, as none of it has been reported by the western media at all, nor by the OSCE. The discussion we had at the reliable sources noticeboard made clear that Russian and Ukrainian sources should not be used without verification in western reliable sources… [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 03:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Antratsyt - [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/06/ukraine-border-guards-separatists (Guardian)] [http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dmitry-tymchuk/putin-ukraine-separatists_b_5274906.html (Huffpost Tymchuk report)] [http://khpg.org/index.php?id=1399384730 khpg] [http://www.stopfake.org/en/fakes-separatists-in-antratsyt-mistakenly-hung-the-flag-of-the-netherlands/ stopfake has info on what ukrainian press reported], [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=640_1399379151 RT video] - I guess we can fact check them later but this one checks out --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:Yeah, that one's good, as far as I can tell. I'd be pretty perturbed, personally, If I saw those trucks full of Cossacks rolling in. Nevertheless… [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 04:13, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Stakhanov - telegraph said they read reports and were going to confirm it, but never followed up on it (i guess it wasnt real?) [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10768250/Ukraine-crisis-as-it-happened.html] --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:24, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::People have allegedly stormed local administration buildings, set up roadblocks, checkpoints [http://itar-tass.com/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/1162247] and the local business center. [http://uapress.info/uk/news/show/24007] [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 07:39, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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*Well, regardless of anything else, if any of this stuff is verifiable, we need a place to put it. Is it time to revive the article? However, it isn't clear that those Cossacks in Antratsyt are connected to the People's Republic, as they didn't fly that flag. It might be odd to put that in a 'People's Republic' article. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 04:27, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: good point. how about a catch-all luhansk article and make the 'republic' article when we deem it necessary to split (or if they end up working together under Bolotov, renaming it) —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:43, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::How about if I 'revive' the People's Republic article and move it to a '2014 Luhansk insurgency', or something like that? We can split off the Republic later, if it is necessary. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 04:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:Well, I've done. That now we have a place for Luhansk stuff: [[2014 insurgency in Luhansk]]. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:00, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::I also copied this discussion to the talk page there, so people know what went on. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:04, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I think [[2014 insurgency in Luhansk|the article]] is a good start as it can cover the initial failed republic and now this 'second' Republic. The above links should be reasonably verifiable, however I wouldn't be suprised if there are some discrepancies given that it is a current event. [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 07:39, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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*I'll move any further comments [[Talk:2014 insurgency in Luhansk|here]] so as to not clog up your talk page. [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 08:52, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | seen you and RGloucester on the Ukraine unrest page a lot, keep it up [[User:Retartist|Retartist]] ([[User talk:Retartist|talk]]) 11:43, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Re: vor == |
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Interfax did report the incident. Please see [http://www.interfax.com/news.asp?y=2014&m=5&d=7&pg=7], where the news is titled "Lifenews TV channel reports mortar attack on its crew near Slovyansk (Part 2)" both at time 15:50 and 15:56.[[User:霎起林野间|霎起林野间]] ([[User talk:霎起林野间#top|talk]]) 15:05, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: all it says is "Lifenews TV channel reports mortar attack on its crew near Slovyansk" so it's possible that Lifenews made some hoax, Interfax reported that lifenews reported it, and then VOR made it sound like interfax verified it. That's what it looks like to me, maybe I'm wrong, but I'm extremely suspicious of when I see lifenews mentioned in any capacity given their track record. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:07, 9 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Interesting == |
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[http://www.donetsk-gov.su/docs/sanct.doc This] is from the "[http://donetsk-gov.su official website]" of the Donetsk People's Republic. It is quite amusing. |
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{{Quotation|P.S. British prime-minister David Cameron is being put on probation in condition that he shall re-consider his position towards the Ukrainian junta, taking into the account the special relationship between the UK and Donetsk (which was founded by a British businessman, John Hughes, granted a concession by the Russian government in 1870)|[[Denis Pushilin]]}} |
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It seems that sanctions have been imposed! [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 19:09, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: wow...haha--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:14, 10 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== NY Times map == |
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[http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/02/27/world/europe/ukraine-divisions-crimea.html This] is a map of the conflict in Ukraine. Once again, it portrays only Luhansk city has having problems. I don't know what's up with this. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 16:10, 11 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: it's like they used wikipedia as a reference and saw we didnt do the work for them like with donetsk, so just got lazy and penciled in luhansk alone --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:28, 11 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Hence the benefits of using both Russian/Ukrainian ("local") and Western sources, given that the Western sources can also have reliability issues. [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 17:32, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: i agree --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 17:33, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:That would be the case, except for the mass amount of propaganda being foisted on both sides. It is quite clear that most reliable western sources have taken a middle ground, here. No one said that we couldn't use Russian or Ukrainian sources, but that they must be confirmed in western reports. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 17:39, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: that's the same thing as not allowing them, since we prefer english sources over ukrainian/russian if all things are equal. —'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 17:41, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:No, because the Ukrainian or Russian reports usually go into more detail. If the basic line of events is confirmed in a western source, one can take details and attribute them to the Ukrainian or Russian sources. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 19:27, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::I agree that there is an information war, however if the two "opposing" sides are both running the same "propaganda" then it is highly likely that what is being reported is somewhat more reliable than those reports where the information is significantly divergent, even without the verification from Western sources. That being said, the Western press has failed to report on many issues necessary for building articles and we are restricted to the 'local' media. What's newsworthy in the West is understandably different to what audiences in Ukraine/Russia are interested in reading about. [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 15:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC) |
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*Re: Donetsk Map. I've noticed that you have made changes to the map for the DPR. Whilst I am not against changes that reflect the situation on the ground, at the end of all this saga we will still probably need a map showing maximum territorial extent of the entity. This may be best achieved by leaving a version of the map that reflects this? Thoughts? [[User:Lunch for Two|Lunch for Two]] ([[User talk:Lunch for Two|talk]]) 07:56, 20 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== About the referenda == |
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I was not pushing any POV, I was just updating, with references. The <s>anything</s> only thing that may eventually be considered POV there is the inclusion of information provided by RT, but that's RT POV, not mine. If you look at the edit as a whole, I don't think is POV at all.[[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 16:46, 12 May 2014 (UTC)[[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 03:27, 13 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: im lost, what in particular are we talking about right now? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 16:58, 12 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== A question about your support of the svoboda party.== |
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I thought you would not be adverse to answering a question about this, seeing as you do not try to hide your support for this group. This is NOT an attack, I was just very surprised to learn this. Do you agree with all the stances of the party? Specifically the controversial ones, like the alleged anti antisemitism and homophobia, or just the Ukrainian nationalism in general?[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 14:38, 14 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: [http://www.newrepublic.com/article/117505/ukraines-only-hope-nationalism Nationalism in general]. I don't know how it would be possible to agree with an 'alleged' (unofficial) stance of a party. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 15:00, 14 May 2014 (UTC) |
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I worded my question incorrectly. I'll just copy and paste right from the svoboda article. What's your opinion on this?[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 14:43, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Svoboda supports conservative values, and opposes abortion and gay rights.[135][136] In 2012, Human Rights Watch condemned Svoboda for disrupting a gay rights rally, called "a Sabbath of 50 perverts" in an official statement by Svoboda.[137] |
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Svoboda opposed legislation in 2013 that would have barred employers from discriminating against workers on the basis of their sexual orientation.[138] Journalist David Stern describes the party as a "driving force" behind anti-gay politics in Ukraine, but states that many of its members may not share all its controversial positions.[139] |
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In April 2013, three Svoboda MPs sponsored a bill banning abortions except in cases involving severe pathology, a medical risk to a woman's life, and rape when proven in court.[140][141] Future Vice Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, who has long opposed abortion, was one of the authors of the bill and responded to a question about what a pregnant woman should do if she failed to prove the rape in court by encouraging women to "lead the kind of lifestyle to avoid the risk of rape, including refraining from drinking alcohol and being in controversial company."[140][141][142][143] |
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:: I feel like this should be fleshed out but I don't have time right now to dig into every ref, the first ref is contradictory as it starts with "Svoboda campaigns firmly for EU membership and Western values". Now have they campaigned against 'gay rights' and abortions, or did party members do this? I guess we could assume that those 3 who submitted the anti-abortion bill had party blessing, but I don't like to assume (does the Republican party okay every wackadoodle bill an ultraconservative draws up? It's not the Bachman Party) Is this stuff part of the party platform? Like Stern then says "many of its members may not share all its controversial positions". Sych is an ******* and I don't support or condone those idiotic comments. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:58, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Why not just support Right Sector then? It seems to share most of the same nationalistic beliefs, with half the xenophobia and racism.[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 17:18, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: They kicked me out for not being 'militant' enough. In all seriousness, RS is significantly more xenophobic and by nature of being a coalition of far-right groups, wrought with knucklehead neo-nazi and skinhead types. Svoboda on the other hand is ''at least'' gradually shifting towards center-right and moderation. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 17:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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I'll go back to coping and pasting "The Associated Press reported in March 2014 that international news organizations had found no evidence of hate crimes by the group" taken from the right sector article. |
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In the same article I found a picture of protesters wearing nazi like svovoda arm bands, (not sure if I can post links like this) https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b9/Maidan_Kiev_2014-04-13_11-48.JPG/800px-Maidan_Kiev_2014-04-13_11-48.JPG |
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Here's another copy "In February 2014, Yarosh and the Israeli ambassador to Ukraine agreed to establish a "hotline" to prevent provocations and coordinate actions when issues arise.[29][30] The group assists in the protection of Jewish sites in Odessa" |
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Lastly this In an interview, Yarosh stated that Right Sector and Svoboda "have a lot of common positions when it comes to ideological questions," but that Right Sector “absolutely do[es]n’t accept certain racist things they [Svoboda members] share.”[ |
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I was getting the exact opposite vibe then the one you just expressed above.[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 22:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Also, Canada seems to be pretty left leaning. Before I took a close look at your userpage I judged you to be a liberal or a socialist or something. I guess I was way off.[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 22:13, 15 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: The picture you posted are [[Social-National Assembly]] or the paramilitary wing Patriot, a major part of Right Sector (so tight that Right Sector East uses the same symbol now to solidify the SNA merger); those are not Svoboda arm bands. RS has done a good job jumping on some of the negative PR and removing the Jewish hot-button. What Yarosh said seems to be total rubbish (saying they are less racist than Svoboda members), RS had "White Hammer" in it for a time before removing them, and I'm sure you could look up all the neo-nazi links RS has through its members. I don't know of anything racist Svoboda has ever done outside of some unfortunate soundbites. |
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::For race, ets look at Tryzub, the main half of Right Sector and Yarosh's own group who say "With your family, make up the ark of thy purity of Race and Nation." As for gay rights and abortion, I'm sure they're even more against the two (got into an argument with one the other day since they were obsessing on the Eurovision thing). Also, while Svoboda wants to join the EU, Right Sector is against it and all the 'European depravity' just as Russian nationalists / orthodox also freak out about. |
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:: Canada is left leaning in part but we also have had a conservative government for some time now --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::I like all of the groups for their nationalism, they all have negatives as well which I detest. It would seem every political party in Ukraine has good and bad, though.--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:19, 16 May 2014 (UTC) |
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That seems fair. Thank you for explaining.[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 12:50, 16 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Mind if I state a couple of opinions?[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 02:23, 17 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: shoot --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 02:26, 17 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Sorry for the delay. I saw that you support the "independence" movements Abkhazia and South Ossetia. And somehow you're also against the independence movement of Kosovo. And you're completely against the Russian backed movements in eastern Ukraine. You don't find this all hypocritical?[[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 16:19, 19 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Ukraine is an entirely different nut: no ethnic cleansing, no homogenous enclave, no civil war, no real local support for separation (plus its significantly fueled by a foreign state and not a natural civil conflict). I guess you could say Serbia and Georgia are the same boat. I added those userboxes probably years apart so my opinion may have shifted and didn't notice. I guess I supported the idea of Kosovo remaining a UN administered part of Serbia, but I guess thats a dated perception. Personally I'm a bit torn on Kosovo today. I feel that Abkhazia/Ossetia declared independence properly and democratically following the fall of the USSR, as all former Soviet regions had the right to, and should have been granted their independence then - but Georgia forcefully kept them. The ongoing inter-ethnic violence made unification impossible and realistically there is no viable solution where they remain part of Georgia de facto or de jure, though it's hard to recognize them de jure in the present and I understand the international response seeing as they are Russian puppet regions wrought with crime like Transnistria...--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 17:26, 19 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Human rights during the 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine == |
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Should we create an article like this? I'm not really in the position to be writing a new article right now, but I think that there is plenty of basis for one, and that it might be a good idea to get a draft going. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 02:59, 18 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: same boat: not in a position but there is basis for one. maybe put it on the burner? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:05, 18 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::No I do not think we should create such an article. |
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::There are two key-points that articles on the various events/organisations should cover: |
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::*The pro-Russian separatists treat non-Russian ethnic or language groups badly. (Sometimes they try to deny particular events - for example, they had a Russian journalist who lives in Moscow write an article for the Guardian claiming that the Donetsk anti-semitic leaflet was a Kiev-government hoax.) |
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::*They use severe beatings of selected individuals to get the message across what happens to you if you stand up to them. This has happened repeatedly. |
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::We should not want these archived off to an article just about that subject.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 09:26, 18 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::: well right now there was a push to condense such info, like the jewish leaflet scandal. Better to have it archived in depth than edited down to nothing, no? The amount of violations and reports (OSCE, UN, HRW) is pretty long and would probably be too big to go into depth on the respective articles. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 17:57, 18 May 2014 (UTC) |
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* [http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/23/ukraine-anti-kiev-forces-running-amok Ukraine: Anti-Kiev Forces Running Amok] |
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{{quotation| These forces, who call themselves the “Army of the Southeast,” seized control of the city of Luhansk in April 2014 and since then have abducted dozens of people, beating and torturing some of them. |
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“Anti-Kiev insurgents are using beatings and kidnappings to send the message that anyone who doesn’t support them had better shut up or leave,” said Hugh Williamson, Europe and Central Asia director at Human Rights Watch. “These forces are out of control, abusing people at will.”}}--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 21:09, 23 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Have you seen this - [http://argumentua.com/novosti/rossiya-ofitsialno-otkazalas-ot-garantii-territorialnoi-tselostnosti-ukrainy Аргумент], '' Россия официально отказалась от гарантий территориальной целостности Украины'', 20 May 2014.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 07:26, 21 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Right Sector source == |
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The source in question is the Praviy Sektor leader Dmytro Yarosh here [https://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukrainian-donbas-battalion-ambushed-in-donetsk-oblast-village-at-least-one-killed-349026.html], quoting the report for you ''Fighters from the nationalist group Praviy Sektor subsequently joined the fight and succeeded in partially breaking the encirclement to allow the core of the Donbas Battalion to escape, said Praviy Sektor leader Dmytro Yarosh on Facebook.'' Its coming from Pravi Sektor themselves. So please don't remove sourced information. If you want to note the Donbas unit playing coy and refusing to comment than please do so (since that's also in the source). Also, you reverted stuff that I edited that were of a totally different nature. Please in the future don't do blank full reverts. Thank you. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 00:57, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I reinserted it, still, it is an unverified claim which may not meet inclusion. I'm going to look into whether Right Sector East has its own unit now but it should just be Donbas and Azov. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 01:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Writing per the sources == |
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I am asking you, please, stick to what the sources say and do not remove sourced information. Sources clearly label Right Sector as ''nationalist'', the person killed as a separatist ''supporter'' and do not describe the building in any way ''occupied''. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 02:41, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: the source clearly says he was a separatist. you should practice what you preach, or maybe lay off editing events you aren't up to speed on. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 03:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Donetsk_People%27s_Republic&diff=609898499&oldid=609892821] I reverted because it failed verification. Nowhere in the KP article does it say the guy who died was a "supporter" but that he was rather a Russian-backed separatist. Not sure why you are debating this or making this up. Regarding the other terms, not sure why you are un-wiki linking Right Sector and putting "nationalist" as a prefix, as their politics has nothing to do with the skirmish. Further, why are you replacing 'reinforcements' with 'fighters' - was it a fist fight? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 04:08, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Let's start with item number 1 - The article states in the third paragraph ''Both were active '''SUPPORTERS''' of the Kremlin-backed, breakaway Donetsk People''. So your statement that it doesn't say anywhere he was a supporter is incorrect. As a compromise I used the combination of the two, both pro-Russian separatist and supporter (both per the source). At this point I would also like to note that accusing me of making stuff up when its clearly in the source is a violation of Wikipedia: Civility. Item number 2 - Source clearly says they are nationalists and there is no reason not to point it out. Item number 3 - source describes them as fighters not reinforcements, and comments like ''was it a fist fight'' is again violation of Wikipedia: Civility. Item number 4 - you totally ignored my question about your unsourced insertion of the term ''occupied'' to describe the building, so I would once again point out that the building is not described anywhere in the source as ''occupied'', so please withold on any unsourced edits. I have no idea why you are taking such a hostile attitude with me instead of assuming a bit of good faith as Wikipedia requires from us and read the sources a bit more carefully. Thank you! Regards! [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 05:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Yes, it says they "were active supporters" in the sense of their ideology, but the wording you had implies they were simply pro-Russian bystanders and not separatists themselves - I didn't know why you wanted to keep that word in since it's redundant. I didn't mean to accuse you of making things up, but was confused why you might because the article didn't define them as you suggested |
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:: Pointing out Right Sector as nationalist is irrelevant, we don't need to write a history on their politics, this paragraph is about combat. Did they do anything nationalistic? Militant would be a better word considering it's a paramilitary coalition as well as a nationalist political party. |
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:: I have to ask though, why are you so intent on using the exact same phrasing as the sources? You can't say in one breath that they arrived to help and in another remove the word "reinforce" because it wasn't in the original source. We can cherry pick all day what mundane words are or aren't matching in sources. This is an article not a verbatim quote. We're allowed to paraphrase. |
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:: Asking if you thought it was a fist fight was not against civility so I'll ask again, do you think it was a fight? Was it a scene in Fight Club? Was it a hockey fight? |
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:: 'Occupied' is another example of being weird about words. Are you disputing that the building was occupied? Within 10 seconds I found an article calling it occupied. Need I remind you that we on wiki have articles dedicated to the occupation of government buildings by separatists. This was a government building that had separatists in it with their flag on the wall - it was occupied. How else would you describe it? |
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--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 06:32, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::English definition of the word ''fighter'' - Boxer, one who boxes; Martial artist; '''Soldier'''; Warrior. In any case I'm not up for a fight over mundaine things. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 12:12, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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P.S. Thank you for the source confirming both of the dead were separatists, and not just one. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 13:40, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Volnovakha checkpoint attack == |
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I think I expanded the article as much as it could be expanded. But I wanted to ask you should we maybe need an article on the other checkpoint battle from yesterday between the separatists and the Donbas paramilitaries? [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 19:03, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: personally I dont think they warrant articles, especially yesterday's skirmish. Far too small with limited media coverage, can't have an article on every gunfight that goes down IMO. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:06, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Ok on yesterday's battle, but Volnovakha should stay with its own article because the event was significant enough, large enough and notable enough in the mainstream media. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 19:09, 24 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== [[New Russia Party]] == |
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Hello! About your position in relation to the party's ideology New Russia: Why did you decide that this is a far-right party? Do you know what a Russian nationalism? [[User:Мики32|Мики32]] ([[User talk:Мики32|talk]]) 05:13, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: it doesnt say far-right on the page at the moment and i dont know what you mean by "do you know what a Russian nationalism" --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 05:24, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Are you sure that this is a nationalist party? Russian nationalism is not much different from nationalism in other countries. In cluding and Ukrainian. For example, all of them have anti-communism. Russian rights is no exception. In this case, We can see how the party leader and his associates put St. George ribbon in solidarity with the Russian Communist victory in the German-Soviet war. Also ribbon displayed on the symbolism of the party. Russian party with nationalist ideology would not have allowed such. Russian rights neglected St. George's ribbon. Please roll back your edits in the article to my version. [[User:Мики32|Мики32]] ([[User talk:Мики32|talk]]) 07:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== Airport battle. == |
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Dated junk? It was fact that per the sources during the evening the situation was unclear with the separatists making claims of a succesufull counter-attack which was disproven by the BBC. The situation only became clear in the morning. You also removed the part on the wounded in the trucks being hit, along with its sources. And the part about half of 100 being civilians failing verification is in-correct since the very first part paragraph in the source says ''More than 50 self-defense fighters and as many civilians have been killed...'' Also, the mayor claimed 40 died, of those 38 being rebels and 2 civilians, not 50. It was the rebel prime minister who claimed 50 rebels died. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 19:12, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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: the situation was unclear yesterday but now we know, why do we have to insert dated speculation? Clearly the separatist claims of a successful counter attack were fake, and we can't take either side's on-the-ground statements with much credibility unless verified. We now have major news sources and leaders confirming everything, so why include 'junk'? |
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: Where did I remove part of the trucks being hit, I don't see? If I did it was my accident I'll double check... |
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: I see now the "and as many civilians"...but do we include rebel speculation? We've had discussions on not using russian or ukrainian sources unless verified and this seems to fall into more "infowar" speculation since they're not accounting for even their own men, and admitted they couldn't count their men because of sniper fire, so how can they count civilians? We already know only 2 civvys died, not 50. For the same reason I removed the Ukrainian statement of 150 rebels dead, unconfirmed infowar speculation. |
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: The mayor said 48 according to Reuters. --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:18, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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[http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/05/27/uk-ukraine-crisis-fighting-idINKBN0E70GM20140527] |
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{{quotation|Donetsk mayor Alexander Lukyanchenko said 48 people had been killed and 43 injured in the past day.}} --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:19, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Yes Reuters said that, but I checked and double checked and the mayor's exact quote from his press service was ''two civilians and 38 fighters died'', while I found it was in fact the Prime Minister who said 50 or more, so it seems Reuters messed up on this one in attributing the claims. As for the 50 civilians claimed, if it had only been claimed in pro-Russian sources I would agree with you and remove it just as you removed the 150 rebels claim. However, I thought it should be mentioned, as a claim, since it has been picked up on other non-Russian and non-Ukrainian news sources. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 19:40, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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I just added sources which attribute the claims on the civilians to the persons who made them. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 19:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: thanks I'll take your word for it on the 38 part but I only read 48 today. Has the 50 civilians line been picked up elsewhere? Even still, it's coming from a rebel leader trying to rally support for his cause...have any independent media validated any more than 2 civilians dead?--'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 19:45, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::I removed the part on the rebel claim about the counter attack since the original news report has been updated and I cann't find the original anymore. Many foreign news media have picked up on the 100 claim at the moment, like the sources I added to the paragraph (New York Times, Sentinel Enterprise, the Hindu, etc). As for the 40 stated by the mayor, I added a new source from the Lebanese Daily star stating exactly that. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 19:51, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: is the lebanese daily star a reliable source? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 20:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Hasn't anybody started an article on the airport battle yet? The paragraph is starting to get rather large. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 20:00, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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::dont think so. i dont have time, I'm more hit and run at the moment if I see something on the ticker to quickly add, sorry --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 20:03, 27 May 2014 (UTC) |
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Read source here [http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/donetsk-militants-send-34-pro-russian-separatists-bodies-to-russia-leader-350016.html], he didn't say 34 were killed in the battle, he said 34 bodies of those who were killed were sent back to Russia. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 13:51, 30 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:: ah, i see, so he's saying 34 were recovered but more were there? or at least is that implied? --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:02, 30 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::He said 34 of the dead were repatriated to Russia. The BBC itself reported yesterday 33 were Russian nationals. Borodai also said the day after the battle when he stated 50 died that they couldn't recover all the bodies, just like he said today. The morgue contained less than 40 so he probably ment the remaining 10 or so for the full 50 were still lying around the airport. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 14:07, 30 May 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: i understand now, thanks! --'''[[User:Lvivske|Львівське]]''' <small>([[User talk:Lvivske|говорити]])</small> 14:24, 30 May 2014 (UTC) |
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== OSCE monitors == |
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It appears that the team that was abducted on 26 May hasn't been in contact with the OSCE since [http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/119353], and another group was detained on the 29th. Have you heard anything about this situation? I was going to write a bit to add to the unrest article. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 04:14, 1 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:: I added what little I've read to the Sloviansk standoff article. Haven't heard much else, the whole Vostok/airport thing distracted me.--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 04:39, 1 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== 6 rebels killed on May 31 == |
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Regarding Pushilin quote regarding the 6 rebels killed on May 31, they may very well have been trying to retake the airport but Pushilin's quote does not say that, and the text in question in the timeline article is about what Pushilin stated. In Pushilin's quote, "Our boys" refers to the 6 killed. "They died trying to take back the Ukrainian airport" refers to those whose bodies the 6 were trying to recover, who had already been killed. When he says "our boys were trying to get their bodies out", "their" is referring to the same people as "They died" is.--[[User:Tdl1060|Tdl1060]] ([[User talk:Tdl1060|talk]]) 20:08, 1 June 2014 (UTC) |
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: i dont think it's that clear - he said '''re-take''' the airport --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 22:00, 1 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::I agree with Tdl1060. The source is pretty clear, ''They died trying to take back the Ukrainian airport, and our boys were trying to get their bodies out''. ''Our boys'' refers to the six guys, and ''They died trying to take back the Ukrainian airport'' refers to the ones whose bodies they were trying to recover. And in regard to your concern about ''he said '''re-take''' the airport'', I would remind you that during the battle for the airport, there was a rebel counter-attack in the evening in an attempt to recapture the airport after they lost it earlier in the day and most of the rebel fatalities occurred during that very same counter-attack. And if you still have doubts than read the very first Reuters paragraph - ''Ukrainian separatist leader Denis Pushilin said on Saturday six rebels had been killed while trying to collect '''the bodies of comrades who had died under Ukrainian army fire earlier this week close to Donetsk airport'''.''. Cann't be more clearer than that. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 18:47, 3 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== native == |
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"The native population has always been Ukrainian and Ukrainian speaking, and the city was founded by Ukrainians. What the dominant language of the occupying regime in the 1930s or whatever was is neither here nor there" - please learn.[[User:Xx236|Xx236]] ([[User talk:Xx236|talk]]) 09:56, 2 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:what? --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 17:24, 2 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::[[Dresden|Drezno]] was founded by Polish tribesmen and [[Warsaw|Варшава]] in turn was founded by protoukrainian clansmen. A [[The pot calling the kettle black|pot calling the kettle black]] one could say. Just a few notes before leaving the disintegrating project for good... [[User:Patriot Donbassa|Donbass Patriot Man]] ([[User talk:Patriot Donbassa|talk]]) 18:18, 2 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::: What in the hell? --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 18:28, 2 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== Usage of neutral sources == |
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I would ask that you do not add figures (500 dead and 1,500 wounded rebels) that are being reported by only a few sources (only 1 in this case) and that are not neutral (heavily pro-Ukrainian news site citing an unknown ATO source). If the figure catches on and is reported by neutral news services than we insert it. For example the 300 figure which is being reported and has been even corrected by Reuters and even one pro-Ukrainian news site of being the number of both killed AND wounded, and not just killed, with Reuters even reminding it has not been independently verified. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 18:40, 3 June 2014 (UTC) |
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: If I screwed up, just fix it, I'm not doing it on purpose.--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 19:06, 3 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Didn't accuse you of anything, I'm sorry if you got that impression. [[User:EkoGraf|EkoGraf]] ([[User talk:EkoGraf|talk]]) 20:12, 3 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::: no no, not saying you are accusing me, just telling you that it wasnt intentional to use a non neutral source or anything like that. I guess I was reading too quickly and overlooked it, sorry --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 20:17, 3 June 2014 (UTC) |
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==What do you think of this woman?== |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natalia_Poklonskaya |
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Here's an example of her fan base www.reddit.com/r/nataliapoklonskaya/ |
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I just don't understand how she can attract such a following just because of her looks. Stalin was pretty attractive when he was young but I've never seen anyone justify his actions because of that. http://37.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lw7qxcjwGQ1qeu6ilo1_400.jpg [[User:Fungal vexation|Fungal vexation]] ([[User talk:Fungal vexation|talk]]) 00:06, 5 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== About the Ukrainian conflict == |
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I wrote "If a party founded by Parubiy is just trivia decrare trivia everything that anyone that anyone from the other side have said in the past and denied later"... I mean "If a party founded by Parubiy is just trivia, DECLARE trivia everything WHATEVER anyone from the other side have said in the past and past and denied later." Many times I write fast, and the restrictions of space don't help, sorry. By the way, good luck for the NPD! (Now, I've noticed they're the 2nd party in Canada! :)) <s>[[User:MondolkirMondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 02:04, 8 June 2014 (UTC)</s>[[[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 02:06, 8 June 2014 (UTC) |
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=="Trivia"== |
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When there is no references to fascism in this article, as well as to the Liberal Democratic Party in the infobox, because of one flag, I will consider the past associassions of Parubiy as "trivia".[[[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 06:38, 8 June 2014 (UTC) |
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: you're not making a coherent argument. This is like saying "Petero Porshenko, founder of the Party of Regions" - which is stupid and out of context. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 07:19, 8 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== to kill putin junta 1 == |
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putin-western junta propaganda to kill people ukraines and russias and americans and westerns peoples to kill by putin-western juntas in donyetsk and all to launc hattack on human people in non-junta mind with such people enemy obama enemy putin enemy abe of tokyo juntas all led by putin chief junta chairman of junta-western-putin alliance in charge of minister of information azrael who propaganda juntas the page to make putin juntas more viewpoint advanced like western-putin juntas advance by both sides is to attack people and humans in wordl and putins junta junta is in charge of western junta too and all to kill enemeies in huamns liek you defender of the trueth you to kill thou to kill juntas? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.190.19.205|24.190.19.205]] ([[User talk:24.190.19.205|talk]]) 01:08, 9 June 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You have given zero sources, and have said "junta" thirteen times, excluding the title. Aside from that, I don't understand what you are saying or what your edit summary on [[2014 pro-Russian conflict in Ukraine]] was saying. [[User:Dustin V. S.|<font color="green" face="Times New Roman">''Dustin''</font>]] [[User talk:Dustin V. S.|(<font color="green" face="Times New Roman">talk</font>)]] 01:16, 9 June 2014 (UTC) |
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junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta junta --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 01:55, 9 June 2014 (UTC) |
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A new Mr Junta has arrived, I see. He is somewhat different, in that he says "Putin junta". That's a new one. Junta, junta junta, junta? [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:58, 9 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:: All I hear is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIlG9aSMCpg this] when I read these kinds of posts. Da, junt junt lugansk, junta junta, Putin genocide?--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 02:03, 9 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== A barnstar for you! == |
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: thanks i need that coffee --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 14:17, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== New Russia edit == |
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Hello, |
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I noticed that you reverted one of my edits at [[Federal State of New Russia]] for, as far as I can tell, no good reason. Firstly, you removed a fair amount of material, including a sourced statement, that had nothing to do with the point with which you were taking issue. Secondly, with respect to the particular issue concerning Pavliv's statement, given that the ''Moscow Times'' editorial is the only source for it and it contradicts itself in a rather obvious way at that, it firstly does not especially appear to me that it constitutes a [[WP:Reliable]] source, and secondly it seems obvious that uncritically restating its conclusion violates [[WP:NPOV]]. |
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I look forward to your response. --[[User:Nizolan|Nizolan]] ([[User talk:Nizolan|talk]]) 14:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:: he was interviewed by the moscow times, how is that not a reliable source? thats really a stretch. also, which sourced statement did i remove? i only saw ''you'' removing sourced material.--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 14:57, 11 June 2014 (UTC) |
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==Could I get other eyes on this article? == |
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Please see this: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Blue_Army_(Poland)&action=history]. Any comments would be appreciated, for example here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Blue_Army_(Poland)#Blue_Army_rapists].[[User:Faustian|Faustian]] ([[User talk:Faustian|talk]]) 05:05, 13 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== June 2014 == |
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[[Image:Stop hand nuvola.svg|30px|left|alt=Stop icon]] Your recent editing history at [[:T-64]] shows that you are currently engaged in an [[Wikipedia:Edit warring|edit war]]. '''Being involved in an edit war can result in your being [[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked from editing]]'''—especially if you violate the [[Wikipedia:Edit warring#The three-revert rule|three-revert rule]], which states that an editor must not perform more than three [[Help:Reverting|reverts]] on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—'''even if you don't violate the three-revert rule'''—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly. |
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To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines|talk page]] to work toward making a version that represents [[Wikipedia:Consensus|consensus]] among editors. See [[Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle|BRD]] for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant [[Wikipedia:Noticeboards|noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary [[Wikipedia:Protection policy|page protection]]. <!-- Template:uw-3rr --> [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 18:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:: now you're vandalizing the page. A dead link? It's the official NATO website and I'm on it right now. Supporting a vandal IP and making up fake edit summaries isn't exactly highly reflective of your own behavior. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 19:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:::Vandalising? Read Wikipedia's definition of [[WP:VANDALISM|vandalism]] before you accuse anyone of vandalism. Clicking on the reflink in the diff returns "404". But I'm looking into it. [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 19:14, 14 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: blanking sourced info and in edit summaries explaining that they are "unsourced edits", or calling NATO's official site "a blog" - is vandalism if not bad faith editing. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 19:44, 14 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::As I said, don't be so quick with your accusations about vandalism. The blog comment is in the edit summary of a revert of an edit made by the IP you were edit warring with, and if you look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=T-64&diff=612920963&oldid=612920813 that edit] you'll find that he tried to add material sourced to a blog at ''blogspot.nl''. Just as I wrote... [[User:Thomas.W|'''Thomas.W''']] [[User talk:Thomas.W|'''''<sup><small> talk</small></sup>''''']] 20:08, 14 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::::::: Sorry, thought [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=T-64&diff=612921637&oldid=612921468 'unsourced'] was directed at me. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 21:30, 14 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== It seems you violated your sanctions == |
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I have started an appropriate thread. |
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Lvivske]--[[User:MyMoloboaccount|MyMoloboaccount]] ([[User talk:MyMoloboaccount|talk]]) 14:06, 15 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== Arbitration enforcement block == |
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<div class="user-block" style="min-height: 40px">[[Image:Balance icon.svg|40px|left|alt=]]To enforce an [[Wikipedia:Arbitration|arbitration]] decision, and for breaching your [[Special:Diff/458191731|Eastern Europe edit restriction]] per [[Special:Permalink/613395615#Lvivske|this AE request]], you have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing for a period of '''one week'''. You are welcome to edit once the block expires; however, please note that the repetition of similar behavior may result in a longer block. If you believe this block is unjustified, please read the [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks#Arbitration enforcement blocks|guide to appealing arbitration enforcement blocks]] and then appeal your block using the instructions there. <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 07:35, 18 June 2014 (UTC) <hr/><p style="line-height: 90%;"><small>'''Reminder to administrators:''' In March 2010, ArbCom adopted a [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Procedures#Appeals|procedure instructing administrators as follows]]: "No administrator may modify a sanction placed by another administrator without: (1) the explicit prior affirmative consent of the enforcing administrator; or (2) prior affirmative agreement for the modification at (a) AE or (b) AN or (c) ARCA (see "Important notes" [in the procedure]). Administrators modifying sanctions out of process may at the discretion of the committee be desysopped." Administrators who reverse this block without the clear authorisation described in that procedure will be summarily desysopped.</small></p></div><!-- Template:uw-aeblock --> |
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== A cup of coffee for you! == |
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== Some baklava for you! == |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Something full of simple carbohydrates to go with your coffee. Tastes good and feeds your brain with glucose. Looking forward to your return. My goodness, a week feels like such a long time! [[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 05:30, 24 June 2014 (UTC) |
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Thanks guys. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 05:06, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== Operators of the T-64 == |
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Before you choose to undo my revert, I want to know why you can't accept the T-64 being in service with the Donetsk People's Republic. I'd love to hear one from you because I see no good reason to remove that information. If you refuse to negotiate, I'll report your irrational behavior to the Fringe theories noticeboard. [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 19:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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: The Donetsk People's Republic isn't real and the tanks and their operators are Russian. Representing a terror cell as a country is disingenuous. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 20:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::Thank you for expressing your conspiracy theories. There isn't a single source that mentions the operators as Russians. The closest allegation to that claim is that they were supplied by Russia. Here's a decent proposal, why don't you create a sub-section of current operators and label it as non-state users? [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 21:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Conspiracy theories? Not a single source? It's widely cited, if you actually read or researched this topic, that operators are Russian citizens and that there is a recruitment campaign within Russia for those with experience to operate them. If you're going to get nasty, at least look smart about it.--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 00:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: Show me a single citation that mentions the T-64s under pro-Russian control being operated by Russian citizens. Before doing so, don't create a [[WP:SYNTHESIS]] to do so. Every single source I've found mentions that they are they are possibly supplied by Russia; not operated by Russian citizens. You can edit war all you want on the articles that you [[WP:OWN]]. Just don't go over to other articles and enforce your [[WP:POV]]. [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 23:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:I've reviewed your revert and it seems you blanked sourced information. This is disruptive. Please stop or I'll have to report you to ANI. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 20:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::Reverting the edits of ''un-cited'' information isn't disruptive. As for the operators of the T-64, your reasons are quite faulty to say the least. Whether an operator is a country or not doesn't dismiss valuable information from being added to Wikipedia. [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 21:58, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::: Uncited? You removed a citation and the content adjacent to it, did you not? Answer that before I throw the 'bad faith editor' label on you. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 00:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: Try me. I'm not someone you can intimidate with "threats". [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=T-64&diff=614408972&oldid=614408883 Here] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=T-64&diff=614408883&oldid=614367415 there] are the two recent edits I made. The former edit restored a citation (Perrett 1987) while the latter also restored sourced information about the Donetsk people's republic. If you're referring to the citation under Russia, feel free to change it back. However, I already know that that's not your interest and you want the DPR removed. If you do choose to change that information (about Russia not DPR) back, I'll consult a certain someone from [[WikiProject Military history]] to see if your edit qualifies as [[WP:FRINGE]]. [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 23:33, 26 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::::: Uh oh, a special someone? --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 05:07, 27 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:::::: Use a citation template next time. There's nothing worse than a URL being used as a citation. This can lead to link rot. [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 17:44, 27 June 2014 (UTC) |
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:My sincere apologies. I've realized your point about the operators of the T-64 being an unrecognized state. I've created a new sub-section for that and even removed the "official" flag. However, I refuse to remove the rebels' claims of these tanks being captured due to [[WP:V]]. I hope you won't object this reasonable proposal. [[User:Al Khazar|Khazar]] ([[User talk:Al Khazar|talk]]) 05:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC) |
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==Lugansk== |
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While I appreciate your revert, Soffredo is adept at edit warring. I wouldn't want you to end up blocked again for getting dragged into one of his messes. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 20:39, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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::I got the flag speedily deleted on the Commons, so there will be no more of that nonsense. I hope… [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 23:56, 25 June 2014 (UTC) |
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==Murder of Oksana Makar== |
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Please could you show me where you opened a discussion on the article talk page at least six hours before you made [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Murder_of_Oksana_Makar&diff=615584615&oldid=615362818 this revert]. If you forgot to take such action, please could you revert yourself, and then either (a) drop the matter, or (b) open a discussion on the article talk page that explains your intended revert and then ''wait 6 hours'' before actually making it to allow time for discussion. |
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Please refresh your memory of [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive151#Lvivske]].--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 20:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC) |
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: Seriously? Now I remember why we didn't get along. Don't be a ****. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 05:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC) |
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::If I were a **** I would have reported you to [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement]] for your mistake. Instead I have been nice. |
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::If you fail to abide by the restrictions placed on you, then you are presenting the world with a metaphorical loaded gun pointed at your head. The Wikipedia editors employed by the Putin regime will pull the trigger. |
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::Please don't do this silly thing. Attacking the messenger will not help.—[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 10:11, 13 July 2014 (UTC) |
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:::To be fair, Toddy, such legal language as "please refresh your memory" seems more like a threat than like a friendly reminder. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 14:34, 13 July 2014 (UTC) |
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:threatening arb com over a minor style issue (which you know is probably in the MOS, since we never write "Kiev (also known as Kyiv)" in prose) is indeed a ****ish, if not exaggerated move. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 14:43, 13 July 2014 (UTC) |
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::The issue is not whether the substance of your revert was right or wrong. |
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::The issue is that on 18 June, you got a week-long block for repeatedly forgetting to post something on the relevant article talk pages explaining your planned reverts six hours before you did the reverts. It was very inconvenient your getting blocked. Some of us need you to making useful edits. So it is not good, when a week after your block ended, you are still forgetting to abide by the restrictions on your reverting.--[[User:Toddy1|Toddy1]] ([[User talk:Toddy1|talk]]) 15:27, 13 July 2014 (UTC) |
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==Shakhtarsk== |
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Right now we're creating a draft on the battles in the Shakhtarsk raion. Would you mind if you could help us? |
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[[Draft:Battle in Shakhtarsk Raion]] |
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== "Junta", again and again == |
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Hi, could you please look at [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Black_Sun_%28occult_symbol%29&diff=622029645&oldid=619618817 this one]? I've just come across, but don't have time to dive into this. You seem to have more experience with things like this :) |
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--[[User:Fractalizator|Fractalizator]] ([[User talk:Fractalizator|talk]]) 22:48, 20 August 2014 (UTC) |
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<s>And [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Military_junta&diff=prev&oldid=619249029 here]</s> oh, it's already been taken care of. |
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*Taken care of, per [[WP:JUNTA JUNTA]]. Cheers. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 02:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Articles about the Ukrainian community in Portugal == |
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Dear Lvivske. We had some disagreements in our past, which I hope are resolved by now, and I've been having an idea about starting an article about the Ukrainian community in Portugal, which, given that it is the 2nd largest here, after the Brazilian, and the 2nd largest in Western Europe, may be a reason to eventually start one. I'd also be glad if I could have some help from you about it, if you're available. Here are some links or sources that may eventually be useful: http://www.spilka.pt/ (Associação dos ucranianos em Portugal / Спілка Українців у Португалії); http://www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Sociedade/Interior.aspx?content_id=1307234 ; http://portugal.mfa.gov.ua/pt/press-center/publications/1009-os-ucranianos-que-esto-em-portugal-so-uma-grande-oportunidade-para-os-nossos-pases ; http://economico.sapo.pt/noticias/ucranianos-em-portugal-vao-fazer-ultimato-a-embaixada-amanha_185634.html ; http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/ucranianos-portugal-unidos-no-apelo-paz-na-ucrania ; http://www.noticiasmagazine.pt/2014/os-ucranianos-portugueses-estao-a-preparar-se-para-a-guerra/ ... Well... There are plenty of articles. These are all in Portuguese or Ukrainian, but you may use Google Translate or Babylon to translate those which are in Portuguese. The articles I've chosen, I found them interesting but they may not be, necesseraly, the most reliable or relevant ones, and there are far more ones (I hope) plenty of statistics and information. When you wish, you can reply to me. I'd be very glad to edit an article, both in Portuguese and in English (in Ukrainian, I'm afraid I can't), about the Ukrainian community in Portugal. I hope there is enough information to start a good quality article.[[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 21:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Request for comment == |
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Someone who appears to be a spokesman/woman for the Russian government made [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation&diff=prev&oldid=622850620 a POV edit] on an article you edited. The spokesman/woman cited two Wikipedia policies in his/her edit summary. Please could you give your views on the validity of these reasons for his/her edit on the article talk page. |
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I have partially reverted the spokesman/woman's edit. His/her belief that that statement by the journalist from the BBC should not have been deleted by you would seem to be backed by [[WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV]].--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 08:01, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Request for comment == |
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Could you give your opinion about a question that I posed yesterday in the Talk Page of [[War in Donbass]]? (Training and sending armored vehicles to the Ukrainian forces by the Pentagon counts or not as a supporting role by USA?). Thank you![[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 00:42, 27 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Juntas == |
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Since you like counting juntas, I have a feeling you might like [http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-troops-suffer-catastrophic-defeat-in-novorossiya/5398546 this "article"]. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 05:23, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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: 33! 33 juntas! ah ah ah. GlobalResearch is the worst conspiracy/hoax site out there, anything can get publisehd there, even the slavyangrad livejournal. Then again, RT also ran a story based on a a slavyangrad article. yeesh. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 15:57, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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::It is absolutely horrid, and it tries to masquerade as a legitimate body, as well. Honestly, any article that uses "junta" thirty-three times is just pushing it. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 19:33, 31 August 2014 (UTC) |
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== Template:Campaignbox 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine == |
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Hello! Could you express your opinion about the organization of the [[Template:Campaignbox 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine]], which provoked a little controversy these days (particularly in relation to the positioning of the "Russian military intervention")? If you wish to express an opinion, there is a discussion in the [[Template talk:Campaignbox 2014 pro-Russian unrest in Ukraine|Talk Page of this template]]. Thank you! [[User:Mondolkiri1|Mondolkiri1]] ([[User talk:Mondolkiri1|talk]]) 19:32, 12 September 2014 (UTC) |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I'm sure I speak for all of us in trenches when I say that I'd be glad to see you return to editing. It seems appropriate to offer you a cup of tea amidst the New Russian junta that appears to be overtaking many of our user pages. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 01:59, 17 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:: Ugh, that sucks, man. How bad is it now? With all the attacks on me to get me banned by that crew, I felt my time was better served writing original articles that I didn't have to worry about being deleted, rather than wiki. So much frustration. What's the big issue right now and what are they distorting? Or just the usual junta junta MH17 UFO stuff? --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 15:09, 17 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:::The main conflict, at present, is over the [[Malaysia Airlines Flight 17]] article. The talk page is a disaster area, as is the [[WP:DRN]] case they've opened. We also have a dispute at [[Talk:2014 Russian military intervention in Ukraine]]. It's all the same stuff, really, but it never ends. It just moves around to different articles. I do wonder, however, who it was that decided to place a black DPR flag on our pages. I do wonder! [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 16:56, 17 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: wow didnt even know that, I bet we pissed someone off a while back for them to still be after me and you now. It's very hard to tackle this stuff with the literal troll army along with the collaborator army pushing that POV for free. Twitter is a wasteland, Facebook is bad, many sites like the Moscow Times shut down their comments sections because of these people, it's very disheartening to continue on a project like this up stream against this stuff. They really rely on attrition...--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 07:50, 18 December 2014 (UTC) |
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== Your daily does of Ukrainophobia == |
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Oh boy. Here it goes: |
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*"The state called Ukraine is an utterly artificial construct... whereas Novorossiya is a region with a long history as part of Russia" |
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*"Ukraine's breaking away from the USSR is ''exactly equivalent'' to the DPR and LPR's breaking away from Ukraine" |
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*"Ukraine shows every sign of being a failed state, which means it is no more a country than Novorossiya is" |
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These are the things we have to deal with in [[Talk:Donetsk People's Republic]]...--'''[[User:Boguslavmandzyuk|Bogu]][[User talk:Boguslavmandzyuk|Slav]]''' 02:25, 31 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:: hahaha oh jeez, what is this, the comments section from The Guardian?--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 14:18, 31 December 2014 (UTC) |
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::: There is a user who seems to actually believe this. Regardless, Happy New Year! Cheers, --'''[[User:Boguslavmandzyuk|Bogu]][[User talk:Boguslavmandzyuk|Slav]]''' 23:05, 31 December 2014 (UTC) |
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:::: Crazy people believe crazy things --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 23:48, 31 December 2014 (UTC) |
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'''Lvivske''',<br />Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable [[New Year]], and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. [[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 03:21, 1 January 2015 (UTC) |
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Hi Lvivske, I've had an additional comb over of [[WP:BLPSELFPUB]] and surrounding sections. It seems that the claim about his grandmother and his father is a claim about a ''third party'', and thus cannot be included. In addition, Youtube is not acceptable source at all – [[WP:RSPYT]]. |
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I'm not entirely convinced why we even need any reference to these tidbits. This article is about Lex, not the specifics of where his father was born. If you want to look through the talk page archives, users generally seem to agree it was best to only cite secondary sources because Lex fans were going overboard with reference directly to podcast episodes. A blanket decision to exclude them seems appropriate to prevent this happening again. [[User:Zenomonoz|Zenomonoz]] ([[User talk:Zenomonoz|talk]]) 21:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:If there was a decision to omit his podcast transcripts as sources then thats fine, do you know where it was? '''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 00:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== November 2015 == |
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== [[Wikipedia:Proposed deletion|Proposed deletion]] of [[:Tivali Minsk]] == |
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Ever heard of [[WP:BRD]]? Pls stop reverting. Thisnking info is false is not an eligible reason for edit-warring. Thanks.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:23, 4 November 2015 (UTC) |
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: I made edits, you reverted. Stop it. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 20:38, 4 November 2015 (UTC) |
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:: The edits you made have been previously multiply rejected by other editors. This means that this is a content dispute. The content disputes are not solved by edit-warring.--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 21:11, 4 November 2015 (UTC) |
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::: You're the one engaged in the edit war. You're the one blanket reverting to push a wild POV here. That you're coming on my talk with this doublespeak is just bad faith now. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 22:08, 4 November 2015 (UTC) |
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== Your revert == |
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Here[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Azov_Battalion&diff=prev&oldid=689075103] seems to have been made with violation of the provision that states '' Lvivske (talk · contribs) placed under revert limitation: max 1rv/48hrs per article, '''with additional slow-down rule: must precede every revert by explanation on talk plus min.6hrs waiting period'''. Fut.Perf. ☼ 21:47, 30 October 2011 (UTC) '' |
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As noted and logged here:[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Discretionary_sanctions/Log]. |
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Feel free to correct me if this is not the case, or if you have successfully appealed your revert limitations(as I do not recall this happening). |
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== [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Lvivske]] == |
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As promised--[[User:Ymblanter|Ymblanter]] ([[User talk:Ymblanter|talk]]) 20:13, 10 November 2015 (UTC) |
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: lol --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 22:42, 10 November 2015 (UTC) |
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::Lvivske, you appear to still be under a Ukrainian revert limitation per [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=602829754#Arbitration_enforcement_action_appeal_by_Lvivske this 2014 AE appeal that was declined]. Your recent edits at [[Azov Battalion]] break this restriction. You may be able to avoid sanctions if you will respond at AE and promise to obey the restriction in the future. In addition, you should agree not to revert the 'neo-Nazi' wording in the lead until a formal RfC is held or there is other persuasive evidence of consensus. [[User:EdJohnston|EdJohnston]] ([[User talk:EdJohnston|talk]]) 03:14, 11 November 2015 (UTC) |
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Holy shit, I never even saw this. Wow. Come on guys. Bush league. This is why I stopped editing so much. When you discipline editors for trying to enforce neutrality and combat trolls, you ruin the wiki project as a whole.--'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 17:16, 3 April 2016 (UTC) |
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[edit]Please read WP:BLP. If you're adding contentious information about living persons, you need to be careful it is well sourced and does not contain any WP:OR. Tristario (talk) 00:04, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
- It didn't seem contentious to me, the current wording was just a bit convoluted...to challenge the existence of something is to deny it. LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 03:25, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
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[edit]Hi Lvivske, I've had an additional comb over of WP:BLPSELFPUB and surrounding sections. It seems that the claim about his grandmother and his father is a claim about a third party, and thus cannot be included. In addition, Youtube is not acceptable source at all – WP:RSPYT.
I'm not entirely convinced why we even need any reference to these tidbits. This article is about Lex, not the specifics of where his father was born. If you want to look through the talk page archives, users generally seem to agree it was best to only cite secondary sources because Lex fans were going overboard with reference directly to podcast episodes. A blanket decision to exclude them seems appropriate to prevent this happening again. Zenomonoz (talk) 21:40, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
- If there was a decision to omit his podcast transcripts as sources then thats fine, do you know where it was? LeVivsky (ಠ_ಠ) 00:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
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