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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. [[User:Jdorje|Jdorje]] 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)
I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. [[User:Jdorje|Jdorje]] 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)


== Suggestions ==
== Track map update ==

Hello! I'm a new participant and helper and I have a few suggestions (though most of them might be far-fetched).
*'''Suggestion 1''': For the requested articles list, is there a way to archive the finished articles? More-so date-archiving them?
*'''Suggestion 2''': I've always thought competitions were a cool idea, since it's a little quiet here, how about starting another [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Cyclone Cup|Cyclone Cup]]?
*'''Suggestion 3''': Just saw that there was a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Mining/Peer Review|Peer review section in WIkiProject Mining]]. Since PR's are barely responded to, why can't we make a section to help the effort?

These are my suggestions for the WikiProject. I understand if you oppose them. Thanks, <code>[[User:TheNuggeteer|🍗TheNugg]][[User talk:TheNuggeteer|eteer🍗]]</code> 11:40, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks for the suggestions {{user|TheNuggeteer}}. I think your second one has the best chance of happening, if we have enough editors/writers. As for peer reviews, that is typically done on an informal basis. It requires people wanting to reviews, give feedback, and help improve an article. Again, if we have a list of people willing to review, then it could maybe work. As for the first one, I don't think articles that were once on the request list should be treated any differently than other existing articles. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 22:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

==Unusual things I have observed in IBTRACS.==
While looking at the [[1971 Pacific Typhoon season]]'s IBTRACS page, I saw that some storms (Like the first system, Sarah) were repeated. Why is this? The Wikipedia page for the 1971 Pacific Typhoon season alludes to some systems (like Super Typhoon Lucy) having some sort of secondary system, but what else?--[[User:The Space Enthusiast|The Space Enthusiast]] ([[User talk:The Space Enthusiast|talk]]) 00:26, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
:{{ping|The Space Enthusiast}} The simple answer is that the computer program that IBTRACS uses to combine the BT Data, sometimes thinks that there is a second system when there is a significant difference between the average position and an agencies position. Some of these so called spur tracks are being fixed with time, research and systems being reanalysed.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 01:55, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks!--[[User:The Space Enthusiast|The Space Enthusiast]] ([[User talk:The Space Enthusiast|talk]]) 22:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

== Validate an edit ==

A change was made to [[1954 in the United States]]. An editor changed "[[Hurricane Hazel|<nowiki>[[Hurricane Hazel]]</nowiki>]] makes U.S. landfall; it is the <del>only</del> recorded [[Category 4 hurricane|<nowiki>[[Category 4 hurricane]]</nowiki>]] to strike as far north as [[North Carolina|<nowiki>[[North Carolina]]</nowiki>]]." to "[[Hurricane Hazel|<nowiki>[[Hurricane Hazel]]</nowiki>]] makes U.S. landfall; it is the <ins>first</ins> recorded [[Category 4 hurricane|<nowiki>[[Category 4 hurricane]]</nowiki>]] to strike as far north as [[North Carolina|<nowiki>[[North Carolina]]</nowiki>]]."

I just came by to ensure that this is correct. [[User:Dawnseeker2000|<span style="font-variant: small-caps">''Dawnseeker2000''</span>]] 05:14, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
:You can see in [[List of United States hurricanes]] that Hazel indeed is the only Cat 4 to hit North Carolina or anywhere else farther north. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 06:26, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

== Hurricane lists ==

Why hasn’t anyone thought of making a list of major (cat 3+) hurricane landfalls in the United States?

My proposed list would ONLY include storms that were cat 3+
at the time of landfall (eg: [[Hurricane Ian|Ian]]) and in a separate list (in the same article) storms that were close enough to the US to bring major hurricane conditions even if a direct landfall was avoided (eg: [[Hurricane Matthew|Matthew]]). It would NOT include hurricanes that were at one point cat 3+ but did not make landfall/impact as a cat 3+ (eg: [[Hurricane Beryl|Beryl]]). [[User:Hurricane Clyde|<span style="color: Green;">'''Hurricane Clyde''' 🌀</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Clyde|<span style="color: Blue;">''my talk page!''</span>]]</sup> 12:25, 6 October 2024 (UTC)
:I like the idea but you would have to include systems such as Val 91, Paka and Yutu which came close enough to the "United States" to cause major hurricane conditions, but were not officially classified on the SSHWS.[[User:Jason Rees|Jason Rees]] ([[User talk:Jason Rees|talk]]) 13:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Too similar to [[List of United States hurricanes]] IMO. [[User:Hurricanehink mobile|Hurricanehink mobile]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehink mobile|talk]]) 18:11, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

:Is there any way we can add a section (on the list of United States hurricanes) that solely singles out major hurricane landfalls then? [[User:Hurricane Clyde|<span style="color: Green;">'''Hurricane Clyde''' 🌀</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Clyde|<span style="color: Blue;">''my talk page!''</span>]]</sup> 19:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)
::If it's OK {{user|Hurricane Clyde}}, I'd like to expand on your idea, and [[Talk:List_of_United_States_hurricanes#Adding_major_hurricane_list%2C_or_adding_new_impact_table%3F_%28moved_from_Wikiproject_talk_page%29|continue the discussion on the talk page for List of United States hurricanes]]. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 20:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

== [[:Template:Costliest U.S. Atlantic hurricanes]] ==

I came across the template while looking at Hurricane Helene, and I think the intensity at landfall is a bit misleading. Yes, Katrina was officially a Cat 3, and Sandy was extratropical at landfall, but I don't think the categories help, since in some instances it makes a storm seem not as bad - Ike as a Cat 2. If no one opposes, I'll remove the categories for landfall. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 16:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

:'''Neutral''' – I’m not opposed; but I’m not going to explicitly say that I support it either. [[User:Hurricane Clyde|<span style="color: Green;">'''Hurricane Clyde''' 🌀</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Hurricane Clyde|<span style="color: Blue;">''my talk page!''</span>]]</sup> 20:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

== Discussion on the reliability of Wayne Neely ==


I realized that the effort to update the track maps is far from over. I wondered if we should have a task force, and maybe a recruitment drive to get editors to help. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 00:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
There is a discussion on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard about "The Great Bahamas Hurricane of 1866" by Wayne Neely, editor witb subject knowledge would be appreciated. See [[WP:RSN#Bahamas Department of Meteorology history]]. -- <small>LCU</small> '''[[User:ActivelyDisinterested|A<small>ctively</small>D<small>isinterested</small>]]''' <small>''«[[User talk:ActivelyDisinterested|@]]» °[[Special:Contributions/ActivelyDisinterested|∆t]]°''</small> 13:56, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


:I found [https://trackgen.codingcactus.codes/ this] a year or so ago but I am not sure how official it is. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 01:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
== Units ==
::Adding on, I might be willing to help with updating tracks but I need to know where to access BT files and the proper software (if the above is not good). [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 01:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
:::That site is wholly unsuitable for generation due to the size of the images.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 07:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Well, I exclusively use it as the difference to the common eye is minimal in my honest opinion. [[User:Tavantius|Tavantius]] ([[User talk:Tavantius|talk]]) 16:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)


What if we had more of an incentive to make the track maps? Another user I was chatting with - {{user|TheNuggeteer}} - talked about having another hurricane cup next year. What if we had an editor competition, and included making track maps as one of the ways to get points? Separately, we could also have bonus points for articles about meteorology instead of single events. Just trying to find a creative solution to this problem. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 22:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
In many Atlantic and Pacific hurricane articles, sections about impacts in Mexico use imperial units first, despite that Mexico uses metric system exclusively. In many instances, the sources give metric units but then these are then flipped to show imperial units first. They should have metric units first to reflect practices in Mexico. --[[User:40bus|40bus]] ([[User talk:40bus|talk]]) 20:47, 11 October 2024 (UTC)
:I agree, if the storm article is about Mexico, then it should have metric units first. Not every article is properly formatted. [[User:Hurricanehink mobile|Hurricanehink mobile]] ([[User talk:Hurricanehink mobile|talk]]) 23:45, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


:Sure! Though I'm not sure about the Meteorology one. Maybe the participants can decide. <code>[[User:TheNuggeteer|🍗TheNugg]][[User talk:TheNuggeteer|eteer🍗]] (''[[User:TheNuggeteer/Guestbook|My '''"blotter"''']]'') </code> 04:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
== GIBBS is down ==
::What exactly does it take for one to generate the track maps, as in, what type of software and level of technology proficiency? Because if there's a certain software or application needed to make the track maps, then it doesn't seem fair to make it part of the Cyclone Cup if not everyone can download/have access to it. [[User:JayTee32|<span style="color:#0037ff">Jay</span>]][[User_talk:JayTee32|<span style="color:#00e9ff">Tee</span>]]⛈️ 17:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:::{{ping|JayTee32}} You basically need Linux (though not Android or ChromeOS), [[Windows Subsystem for Linux]] (Windows 10 or later), or Unix (including macOS). Basically all major desktop operating systems.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 07:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::{{ping|JayTee32}} As for proficiency: you need basic knowledge of [[bash (Unix)]].--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 07:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)


== Good article reassessment for [[Hurricane Allen]] ==
https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/gibbs/, a site for looking up satellite images of the Earth since 1966, has not been up since Hurricane Helene hit. Because I want to see imagery of the late 60's and early 70's tropical cyclone seasons, particularly the Western Pacific ones, where could I get the satellite data? I have seen several websites with satellite data, such as ESSA-9, but they may need an account.[[User:The Space Enthusiast|The Space Enthusiast]] ([[User talk:The Space Enthusiast|talk]]) 23:25, 11 October 2024 (UTC)


[[Hurricane Allen]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you would like to participate, please leave your comments in the [[Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Hurricane Allen/1|reassessment discussion]]. —'''[[User:JCMLuis|<span style="background:linear-gradient(90deg,#178f5a,#22d486);-webkit-background-clip:text;-webkit-text-fill-color:transparent;"><span style="font-size:75%;">JCM</span>Luis</span>]]''' [[User Talk:JCMLuis|💬]] 17:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== Can I join this WikiProject? ==


== Paleotempestology update ==
I want to help the Tropical Cyclone WikiProject in any way. Can I please join, because I “wanna go for a spin”. [[User:HurricaneKirk2024|HurricaneKirk2024]] ([[User talk:HurricaneKirk2024|talk]]) 02:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)


Anyone who can help update [[Paleotempestology]] with [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?as_ylo=2024&q=%22paleotempestology%22+OR+%22palaeotempestology%22+OR+%22paleotempestological%22+OR+%22palaeotempestological%22&hl=de&as_sdt=0,5 these sources]? The sheer number is starting to wear me out. [[User:Jo-Jo Eumerus|Jo-Jo Eumerus]] ([[User talk:Jo-Jo Eumerus|talk]]) 15:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:I’m just obsessed with hurricanes tbh and Nadine (Invest 94L) is coming so [[User:HurricaneKirk2024|HurricaneKirk2024]] ([[User talk:HurricaneKirk2024|talk]]) 02:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::If you want to join WPTC, you can add your name to the current members at the bottom of the list, under the last person who joined. You can then add the following to your user page. Based on your editing history and comments I recommend you become familiar with Wikipedia's style of writing and core policies so you can start editing tropical cyclone articles. Also note you don't have to ask permission to join a Wikiproject or make an edit. [[User:JayTee32|<span style="color:#0037ff">Jay</span>]][[User_talk:JayTee32|<span style="color:#00e9ff">Tee</span>]]⛈️ 16:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
::{{User WPTC}}


== Proposal: Moratorium on including unofficial United States damage totals ==
== Climate Change effects on hurricanes ==


I noticed that there are some big claims regarding storms from the [[2024 Atlantic hurricane season]], but there isn't an official damage total for the United States yet for Helene or Milton. The National Center for Information (NCEI) has a [https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/billions/events/US/2024?disasters list of billion dollar disasters] from this year, which includes Helene and Milton, as they are obviously on the list, but I'm uncomfortable having individual unofficial damage totals until we have a final estimate, especially when it comes to claims such as costliest or other records. Therefore, I propose that there is a moratorium on including unofficial United States damage totals, until there is an official estimate for a storm's ranking from NCEI or another official United States government agency. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 00:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Should we mention the effects of climate change on hurricanes in every hurricane article? There appears to be no consensus, with some people wanting to make climate change info its own subsection, others wanting to just add a paragraph on it, and a third group that does not want to add it at all for repetition/RS issues(since [[Tropical cyclones and climate change]] applies to every tropical cyclone). [[User:Wildfireupdateman|Wildfireupdateman]] ([[User talk:Wildfireupdateman|talk]]) 20:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
:Personally I think no. It comes up with almost every landfalling major hurricane, because there happen to be sources that talk about it. For example, if the climate change bit was about rainfall, or higher water temperatures, just mention them without the "climate change", which is more about the broad patterns and not any individual storm. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 15:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)


== List of South America hurricanes nominated for featured list removal ==
== Draft for PTC Eight? ==


I have nominated [[List of South America hurricanes]] for featured list removal. Please [[Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/List of South America hurricanes/archive1|'''join the discussion''']] on whether this article meets the [[Wikipedia:What is a featured list?|featured list criteria]]. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are [[Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates|here]].<!-- Template:FLRCMessage --> [[User:Yilku1|Yilku1]] ([[User talk:Yilku1|talk]]) 16:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I think we need an article/draft for Eight. It caused one (indirect) fatality, and made minor flooding in the Carolinas. This “tropical disturbance” only lasted two days; but with enough sources, I think it might be able to have an article.


== Article on wind pressure relationships ==
* To be honest, I think '''any storm that causes a fatality''' should have an article.
[[User:HurricaneKirk2024|HurricaneKirk2024]] ([[User talk:HurricaneKirk2024|talk]]) 16:32, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
:There's already a discussion about that on the 2024 AHS talk page. Also, that rule (any storm that causes a fatality gets an article) is impractical. Too many old historical storms that caused a death or two that couldn't support a sub-article. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 16:40, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
::ok [[User:HurricaneKirk2024|HurricaneKirk2024]] ([[User talk:HurricaneKirk2024|talk]]) 17:18, 17 October 2024 (UTC)


Is there an article on methods of calculations of wind pressure relationships? I have seen some stuff about it (particularly Knaff-Zehr-Courtney on Atlantic TCRs) mentioned so it sounds encylopedic. I might also need some help with writing/reviewing as this is slightly outside my usual area of editing. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 17:56, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
== Requested move at [[Talk:Tropical Storm Conson (2021)#Requested move 8 September 2024]] ==
[[File:Information.svg|30px|left]] There is a requested move discussion at [[Talk:Tropical Storm Conson (2021)#Requested move 8 September 2024]] that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. [[User:Asilvering|asilvering]] ([[User talk:Asilvering|talk]]) 00:25, 21 October 2024 (UTC)


== PAGASA bulletins ==
== Does being a Category 5 Pacific hurricane establish notability? ==


I'm suggesting adding PAGASA bulletins in the talk pages of typhoons. If you want to participate in the discussion, you can go [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Tropical cyclones/Pacific typhoon task force#PAGASA Bulletins in talk pages|here]]. Thanks, <code>[[User:TheNuggeteer|🍗TheNugg]][[User talk:TheNuggeteer|eteer🍗]] (''[[User:TheNuggeteer/Guestbook|My '''"blotter"''']]'') </code> 23:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Per the recommendation of @[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] I'm going to start a broader project discussion about this. As the subheading states, does being a Category 5 hurricane alone establish a Pacific hurricane as notable? Apparently there is standing project precedent that all Category 5 Pacific hurricanes get their own articles. I don't think this precedent should really be in place to begin with. While it's true Category 5 hurricanes are less common in the Pacific than the Atlantic, I think a storm intensifying to Category 5 status then weakening without affecting land or setting any meteorological records doesn't establish its notability. What's more, these storms generally don't receive news coverage that goes beyond stating what the NHC had already said about the storm intensity-wise, so this doesn't seem to meet the "Significant coverage" metric of [[WP:GNG]]. Additionally, simply stating the storm's meteorological history and data without any other significant information seems to be violating [[WP:NOTPLOT]]. Looking for comments on whether this precedent should stand as it directly affects an article for an [[2024 Pacific hurricane season#Hurricane Kristy|active storm]]. [[User:JayTee32|<span style="color:#0037ff">Jay</span>]][[User_talk:JayTee32|<span style="color:#00e9ff">Tee</span>]]⛈️ 00:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:It should. [[WP:NOTPLOT]] applies to human works and does not apply to real-life events. [[Hurricane Celia (2010)]] is a similar storm to Kristy and although its records aren't truly records in the sense of first place in anything (except strongest June hurricane), they're enough to warrant a section.
:GNG is not a problem with the RS coverage we do have; the NHC is the [[WP:PRIMARY]] source with the other news articles the needed [[WP:SECONDARY]] sources. We can easily flesh out enough material to satisfy [[WP:SPLIT]] for all such storms. The question should be how do we serve our readers best, and Cat 5's are one of the most sought-after topics for readers in this basin.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 00:43, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:For Kristy specifically, could we tack it onto Nadine like with [[Tropical storms Amanda and Cristobal]]? [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 00:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::Very few sources join the two in the way Amanda and Cristobal did, so probably not. But that could be a better alternative than not having an article at all for Kristy.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 00:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::I would agree as, if Kristy has no other notability, it would be the better route. For the conversation as a whole, I believe that Category 5s shouldn't have inherent notability. Possibly, they could have lower standards but fish-storm Category 5s without any records should not have articles. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 01:02, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::Several sources directly connect the remnants of Nadine with the formation of Kristy, as will official season summaries and TCRs I'm sure. A combined Nadine–Kristy article would have both notability, and a depth that the Nadine article lacks due to its small-scale impact, and a Kristy article would lack due to it being a Category 5 fish storm without any records or land affects to its name. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 01:14, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::I am creating the merge request now. [[User:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶Qux</span>]][[User talk:Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">yz</span>]][[special:contributions/Quxyz|<span style="color: goldenrod">✶</span>]] 01:38, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::::Hold your horses. The idea of merging the two needs a separate discussion on one of the talk pages and a consensus therefore.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 01:42, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::::To the main subject of this discussion, [[Wikipedia:Notability#Whether to create standalone pages|not every notable topic needs a standalone pages]], or in this instance, not every Category 5 hurricane needs its own article. The question is, "how best to help readers understand the subject." For a system like Kristy, the best way might well be through a well written section in the season article. [[User:Drdpw|Drdpw]] ([[User talk:Drdpw|talk]]) 01:55, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::::Hard disagree. A reader looking into the intricacies of things like eyewall replacement cycles and the overall genesis process for the strongest storms will not be satisfied by the season article section. A reader coming from [[List of Category 5 Pacific hurricanes]] is also unlikely to be interested in the rest of the season. [[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 01:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)


:Replied on discussion page. <span style="background:#ffff55">'''''[[User:Chlod|Chlod]]'''''</span>&nbsp;<small style="font-size:calc(1em - 2pt)">([[User talk:Chlod|say&nbsp;hi!]])</small> 23:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Category 5 status does not confer notability automatically. To Jasper's point, eyewall replacement cycles are often mentioned in season articles, but if that only happens once, and the storm weakens over land, then it can easily be summarized in the season article. I could see storms like [[Hurricane Elida (2002)]] and [[Hurricane Hernan (2002)]] getting merged. I mention those two as examples because the [[2002 Pacific hurricane season]] is under 5,000 words, so an expansion is warranted. ♫ [[User:Hurricanehink|Hurricanehink]] (<small>[[User_talk:Hurricanehink|talk]]</small>) 02:04, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:"Easily summarized in the season article" &ndash; don't think so. Kristy in particular is a two-peaked storm, and Pacific Category 5 hurricanes tend to be long-lived and have substantial history of their own, or be short-lived with land impacts. Kristy is in the former category.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 02:06, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
::Kristy's met history can be easily summarized in the season section, we don't need to get into the intricacies of the storm's history and an article of such would be filler. [[User:JayTee32|<span style="color:#0037ff">Jay</span>]][[User_talk:JayTee32|<span style="color:#00e9ff">Tee</span>]]⛈️ 05:00, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
:::An article that provides details a reader wants is not "filler". The existing summary leaves open several questions, such as its structural evolution before peak.--[[User:Jasper Deng|Jasper Deng]] [[User talk:Jasper Deng|(talk)]] 05:45, 25 October 2024 (UTC)

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Tropical cyclones portal

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Project notes

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I just created this wikiproject, after several months of contemplating doing so. I hope everyone working on hurricane articles will get involved. I went ahead and wrote a bunch of guidelines, basically based on current practices...naturally since this is something I just wrote it doesn't necessarily represent community consensus and needs to be discussed. That discussion should probably go here for now...although eventually we may make these pages a little more structured. For a general TODO list, see the "tasks" item on the project page. Jdorje 23:17, 5 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Track map update

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I realized that the effort to update the track maps is far from over. I wondered if we should have a task force, and maybe a recruitment drive to get editors to help. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I found this a year or so ago but I am not sure how official it is. ✶Quxyz✶ 01:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Adding on, I might be willing to help with updating tracks but I need to know where to access BT files and the proper software (if the above is not good). ✶Quxyz✶ 01:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That site is wholly unsuitable for generation due to the size of the images.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I exclusively use it as the difference to the common eye is minimal in my honest opinion. Tavantius (talk) 16:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What if we had more of an incentive to make the track maps? Another user I was chatting with - TheNuggeteer (talk · contribs) - talked about having another hurricane cup next year. What if we had an editor competition, and included making track maps as one of the ways to get points? Separately, we could also have bonus points for articles about meteorology instead of single events. Just trying to find a creative solution to this problem. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 22:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sure! Though I'm not sure about the Meteorology one. Maybe the participants can decide. 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 04:34, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly does it take for one to generate the track maps, as in, what type of software and level of technology proficiency? Because if there's a certain software or application needed to make the track maps, then it doesn't seem fair to make it part of the Cyclone Cup if not everyone can download/have access to it. JayTee⛈️ 17:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JayTee32: You basically need Linux (though not Android or ChromeOS), Windows Subsystem for Linux (Windows 10 or later), or Unix (including macOS). Basically all major desktop operating systems.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:06, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JayTee32: As for proficiency: you need basic knowledge of bash (Unix).--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:13, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Good article reassessment for Hurricane Allen

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Hurricane Allen has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you would like to participate, please leave your comments in the reassessment discussion. —JCMLuis 💬 17:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Paleotempestology update

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Anyone who can help update Paleotempestology with these sources? The sheer number is starting to wear me out. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:50, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: Moratorium on including unofficial United States damage totals

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I noticed that there are some big claims regarding storms from the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season, but there isn't an official damage total for the United States yet for Helene or Milton. The National Center for Information (NCEI) has a list of billion dollar disasters from this year, which includes Helene and Milton, as they are obviously on the list, but I'm uncomfortable having individual unofficial damage totals until we have a final estimate, especially when it comes to claims such as costliest or other records. Therefore, I propose that there is a moratorium on including unofficial United States damage totals, until there is an official estimate for a storm's ranking from NCEI or another official United States government agency. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 00:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I have nominated List of South America hurricanes for featured list removal. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Yilku1 (talk) 16:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Article on wind pressure relationships

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Is there an article on methods of calculations of wind pressure relationships? I have seen some stuff about it (particularly Knaff-Zehr-Courtney on Atlantic TCRs) mentioned so it sounds encylopedic. I might also need some help with writing/reviewing as this is slightly outside my usual area of editing. ✶Quxyz✶ 17:56, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

PAGASA bulletins

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I'm suggesting adding PAGASA bulletins in the talk pages of typhoons. If you want to participate in the discussion, you can go here. Thanks, 🍗TheNuggeteer🍗 (My "blotter") 23:52, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Replied on discussion page. Chlod (say hi!) 23:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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