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== Change “American Indian” to “Native American “ == |
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Remove the section stating that this expedition was an exercise in white supremacy. [[Special:Contributions/2601:6C0:C286:400:8DB9:C915:5768:C36|2601:6C0:C286:400:8DB9:C915:5768:C36]] ([[User talk:2601:6C0:C286:400:8DB9:C915:5768:C36|talk]]) 23:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== . The expedition was to make native people understand that their lands now belonged to the United States and that "their great father" in Washington was now their sovereign; hence, it was an exercise in white supremacy.[89 == |
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Change “American Indian” to “Native American” [[User:Wilkosoft|Wilkosoft]] ([[User talk:Wilkosoft|talk]]) 09:47, 19 December 2020 (UTC) |
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this White Supremecy statement is one of the reasons I don't like using Wikipedia. People are not being truthful while rewriting history. It was an expedition to explore and map not flex "White Supremecy"! [[Special:Contributions/2601:40D:8201:F1E0:3DB8:D473:6265:CE8D|2601:40D:8201:F1E0:3DB8:D473:6265:CE8D]] ([[User talk:2601:40D:8201:F1E0:3DB8:D473:6265:CE8D|talk]]) 23:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2021 == |
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:In addition, the phrase "hence, it was an exercise in white supremacy" suggests that this statement logically follows from the statement before the semicolon, which it does not. [[User:Maxsklar|Maxsklar]] ([[User talk:Maxsklar|talk]]) 05:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::I generally agree with the points made here and have removed that phrasing from the article. I don't have access to the book used as a reference for that sentence, but it looks like that part of the sentence was introduced [[Special:Diff/1164122758|in this edit]] by [[User:Absecon 49|Absecon 49]], whereas the rest of the surrounding context was added years earlier with [[Special:Diff/944587469|this edit]] by [[User:NYCJosh|NYCJosh]], so I'm assuming the insertion of the reference to white supremacy doesn't come directly from the source referenced in the inline citation (though I'm happy to be proven wrong if it actually is part of that source). |
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[[Special:Contributions/67.231.194.182|67.231.194.182]] ([[User talk:67.231.194.182|talk]]) 20:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's right or wrong to claim that white supremacist attitudes may have had some significant degree of influence on the expedition, but adding such a claim to this article should include a reliable source and better avoid [[WP:OR]]. |
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American Indians should be changed to Native Americans. Since "Indians" is just a mistake made by Christopher Columbus. |
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::(CC'ing others on this talk page involved in this discussion: [[User:Maxsklar|Maxsklar]], [[User:Pinchme123|Pinchme123]]) |
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:I did it, although some quotes couldn't be changed obviously.[[User:Bop34|βӪᑸᙥӴ]] • [[User talk:Bop34|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Bop34|Contribs]] 17:00, 7 February 2021 (UTC) |
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::[[User:Rovenrat|Rovenrat]] ([[User talk:Rovenrat|talk]]) 08:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC) |
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:We go by Common Name - that, and the vast majority of the indigenous lower-48 state American First Nations PREFER to go by "Indian." [[User:HammerFilmFan|HammerFilmFan]] ([[User talk:HammerFilmFan|talk]]) 15:26, 7 August 2022 (UTC) |
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== Legacy and Honors (addition to section) == |
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The U.S. Army Friends of Civil Affairs organization views the Corps of Discovery as a precursor to the Civil Affairs branch and the regimental award medallions bear the name Lewis and Clark. The Corps of Discovery, while not officially a Civil Affairs operation, conducted what is now referred to as Civil Reconnaissance and Civil Engagement during the westward expansion. |
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Reference: https://friendsofcivilaffairs.com/lewis-clark-nomination [[User:Wphurt86|Wphurt86]] ([[User talk:Wphurt86|talk]]) 22:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC) |
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"Native Americans" should be changed back to "American Indians." They have been called "Indians" for over 500 years, and "American Indians" is the standard terminology. You should not change words merely to pander to the woke police. [[User:Headystorm|Headystorm]] ([[User talk:Headystorm|talk]]) 09:34, 12 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:I understand many indigenous Americans prefer "(American) Indian" to "Native American", as that is what they have always called themselves. [[User:Koro Neil|Koro Neil]] ([[User talk:Koro Neil|talk]]) 21:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC) |
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== Usefulness of first paragraph ('Motivations') == |
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“American Indian“ and “Native American” are both acceptable I believe, so in this case the status quo should be preserved. [[User:Swyix|Swyix]] ([[User talk:Swyix|talk]]) 23:26, 10 August 2021 (UTC) |
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The first paragraph was named 'Overview'. I changed that to 'Motivations' because that fits the paragraph way better with what it is. However, the lead section introduces the motives too, and the 'Motivations' paragraph then states almost the same thing as the lead did. I believe the 'Motivations' paragraph is still necessary, but needs a rehaul since it stands useless right now. |
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== Better summary information? == |
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[[User:Qwaabza|Qwaabza]] ([[User talk:Qwaabza|talk]]) 16:39, 10 April 2024 (UTC) |
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There's some basic summary information that I had trouble finding in this article: how many members did the expedition have, and what were there names? How many died on the trip? |
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Remove the section stating that this expedition was an exercise in white supremacy. 2601:6C0:C286:400:8DB9:C915:5768:C36 (talk) 23:43, 12 October 2023 (UTC)
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. The expedition was to make native people understand that their lands now belonged to the United States and that "their great father" in Washington was now their sovereign; hence, it was an exercise in white supremacy.[89
[edit]this White Supremecy statement is one of the reasons I don't like using Wikipedia. People are not being truthful while rewriting history. It was an expedition to explore and map not flex "White Supremecy"! 2601:40D:8201:F1E0:3DB8:D473:6265:CE8D (talk) 23:09, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- In addition, the phrase "hence, it was an exercise in white supremacy" suggests that this statement logically follows from the statement before the semicolon, which it does not. Maxsklar (talk) 05:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)
- I generally agree with the points made here and have removed that phrasing from the article. I don't have access to the book used as a reference for that sentence, but it looks like that part of the sentence was introduced in this edit by Absecon 49, whereas the rest of the surrounding context was added years earlier with this edit by NYCJosh, so I'm assuming the insertion of the reference to white supremacy doesn't come directly from the source referenced in the inline citation (though I'm happy to be proven wrong if it actually is part of that source).
- I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's right or wrong to claim that white supremacist attitudes may have had some significant degree of influence on the expedition, but adding such a claim to this article should include a reliable source and better avoid WP:OR.
- (CC'ing others on this talk page involved in this discussion: Maxsklar, Pinchme123)
- Rovenrat (talk) 08:06, 23 December 2023 (UTC)
Legacy and Honors (addition to section)
[edit]The U.S. Army Friends of Civil Affairs organization views the Corps of Discovery as a precursor to the Civil Affairs branch and the regimental award medallions bear the name Lewis and Clark. The Corps of Discovery, while not officially a Civil Affairs operation, conducted what is now referred to as Civil Reconnaissance and Civil Engagement during the westward expansion. Reference: https://friendsofcivilaffairs.com/lewis-clark-nomination Wphurt86 (talk) 22:10, 24 February 2024 (UTC)
Usefulness of first paragraph ('Motivations')
[edit]The first paragraph was named 'Overview'. I changed that to 'Motivations' because that fits the paragraph way better with what it is. However, the lead section introduces the motives too, and the 'Motivations' paragraph then states almost the same thing as the lead did. I believe the 'Motivations' paragraph is still necessary, but needs a rehaul since it stands useless right now.
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