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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ETp --> please edit [[Template:Infobox historic site/doc]] directly — Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]] · [[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:29, 12 March 2021 (UTC) |
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:Thanks {{re|MSGJ}} - I didn't know that page was there and was editable. [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 22:57, 12 March 2021 (UTC) |
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Would it be possible to add fields for Renovated/Renovated by/Renovated date? Sometimes with older buildings like castles and stately homes, there are significant additions over the centuries, often by notable architects. There is the "Rebuilt" field, but this implies the original was destroyed. Thank you! [[User:Kaliforniyka|<b>—Kaliforniyka</b>]]<sup>[[User talk:Kaliforniyka|Hi!]]</sup> 06:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Thanks, [[User:Timtempleton|<b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b>]] [[User talk:Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#800080">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Timtempleton|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 18:34, 12 March 2021 (UTC) |
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The {{tld|lang-??}} templates are going away ({{slink|Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2024_September_27|Replace_and_delete_lang-??_templates}}). As the {{tld|lang-??}} templates are deleted, the {{para|subheader}} parameter in {{tlx|Infobox}} will stop working as intended. Consider using multiple calls to {{tlx|native name}} or a single call to {{tlx|native name list}} or use {{tlx|langx}} in some way. The utility functions available from [[Module:Lang]] might also be helpful. |
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I made a change to the sandbox to allow for the default image size to be used, and removed the limit on the size of the image. Both make it so that the image is able to be displayed how the user and editor wish, without limiting them. Tests look okay. [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 04:25, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:{{edited2}}. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' , [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'er there</sup>]] <small>13:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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::Can we discuss this? The "default size" for infoboxes, while it sounds nice, was never too accurate. Most infoboxes have a default width of 250px, and thus upright=1.14 is a perfect default size. As well, many infoboxes have a max size parameter. No infobox should be wider than 325px, and none really are, but this prevents the many newer editors from making such a mistake, and does no harm otherwise. Can SWinxy provide any cases where these edits actually lead to improvements? [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 15:09, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::{{reverted}} pending discussion. '''''[[User:Paine Ellsworth|<span style="font-size:92%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">P.I. Ellsworth</span>]]''''' , [[Editor|<span style="color:black">ed.</span>]] [[User talk:Paine Ellsworth|<sup>put'er there</sup>]] <small>15:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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:::So, my settings are to make images 400px wide for reasons. The problem is with infoboxes that think they know a better image size, and will override mine and others' preferences, be they set their preferred size larger or smaller, when there isn't a good rationale for doing so (e.g. important visual elements that can't be scaled along with the image). I've ''never'' seen a max size parameter until now, so I would disagree there are 'many' infoboxes with them. The vast majority of infoboxes I deal with don't force an image size. I am suspect of the claim that new editors would change the size of infobox images to be larger than they should. Does this even happen? Do editors not fix that? [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 19:49, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::If you want to change the Image Use Policy, go there. See [[Wikipedia:Image use policy#Infobox and lead images]], [[MOS:IMGSIZE]], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns10=1&search=insource%3Amaxsize search results for "maxsize" use]. [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 20:21, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::Those project pages disagree with you. [[MOS:IMGSIZE]]: {{tq|Except with very good reason, a fixed width in pixels (e.g. 17px) should not be specified. This ignores the user's base width setting, so <nowiki>upright=scaling</nowiki> factor is preferred whenever possible.}} [[WP:IMGSIZE]]: {{tq|Except with very good reason, do not use px (e.g. <nowiki>|thumb|300px</nowiki>), which forces a fixed image width measured in pixels, disregarding the user's image size preference setting.}} They are clear and consistent that the image sizes should be left up to the user ''unless a very good reason is provided''. I'm not sure where you're getting the numbers of 250px, 235px, and 1.14 from; those pages don't mention those values. There are only 85 templates that make use of the maxsize parameter; hardly 'many.' [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 22:01, 19 March 2023 (UTC) |
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—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 17:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::This is a failure to read the entire section I linked. MOS:IMGSIZE says "Cases where fixed sizes may be used include for standardization of size via templates (such as within infobox templates or the display of country flag icons), for displaying reduced images sizes where space is constrained (such as..." [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 00:09, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:A fortnight gone without comment or action so I have reimplemented {{para|subheader}} with {{tlx|native name list}}. |
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:—[[User:Trappist the monk|Trappist the monk]] ([[User talk:Trappist the monk|talk]]) 12:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC) |
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::::::Again, if you want to change the Image Use Policy, go there. See [[Wikipedia:Image use policy#Infobox and lead images]], [[MOS:IMGSIZE]], and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Search&limit=500&offset=0&ns10=1&search=insource%3Amaxsize search results for "maxsize" use]. 85 extremely high-use templates is many. [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 00:10, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::That's a small carveout exception for other usages so that editors aren't pedantic about templates like {{tlx|Flagicon}}. All the other text surmount to "don't use fixed pixel widths". I don't feel that the image use policy needs changing, because it is pretty explicit about not setting a fixed size. [[User:SWinxy|SWinxy]] ([[User talk:SWinxy|talk]]) 01:56, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::The search for maxsize shows a lot of maxsize in infoboxes because you changed it[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_historic_site&diff=prev&oldid=1136072940][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3AInfobox_school&diff=1125963001&oldid=1101175129][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Infobox_museum&diff=prev&oldid=1084528196]. I oppose fixed image size, and I can't see it is policy base to have fixed image sizes. MOS:IMGSIZE and [[Wikipedia:Image use policy#Infobox and lead images]] both says you should use upright. [[User:Christian75|Christian75]] ([[User talk:Christian75|talk]]) 07:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::"Small carveout exception", or in other words, policies and guidelines have small details you literally have to follow. I changed just a few infoboxes, and it looks like people largely agree with me. Several of these, including this case, were actually only restoring defaults that had existed for years and years until they were changed without discussion. [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 12:51, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::{{U|Ɱ}}: Where are all of these people who "largely agree with" you? Many of us have stated our objections to these fixed pixel sizes in multiple discussion over the past year or so. I can't recall anyone agreeing with your interpretation of the guidelines. – [[User:Jonesey95|Jonesey95]] ([[User talk:Jonesey95|talk]]) 17:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::::"I can't recall" isn't a good argument. As well, I have plenty of evidence of these parameters in use in extremely-high-use templates, for years to decades before your removals, and some for years after. Nobody else has recently objected enough to try to remove them, except for this user here, who wants them removed "for reasons". [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 18:40, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Can any body help me as to how I can place in the Designation parameter that it is part of [[Puerto Rico Register of Historic Sites and Zones]][[User:Eljohnson15|El Johnson]] ([[User talk:Eljohnson15|talk]]) 19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC) |
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*{{green|The lead image in an infobox should not impinge on the default size of the infobox. ([[WP:IUP]])}} |
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*{{green|Cases where fixed sizes may be used include for standardization of size via templates (such as within infobox templates... ([[MOS:IMGSIZE]])}} |
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*Not sure why users here are arguing against simple policies and guidelines. [[User:Ɱ|<span style="text-shadow:#bbb 0.1em 0.1em 0.1em;" class="texhtml">'''ɱ'''</span>]] [[User talk:Ɱ|(talk)]] 12:53, 20 March 2023 (UTC) |
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Request renovation fields
[edit]Would it be possible to add fields for Renovated/Renovated by/Renovated date? Sometimes with older buildings like castles and stately homes, there are significant additions over the centuries, often by notable architects. There is the "Rebuilt" field, but this implies the original was destroyed. Thank you! —KaliforniykaHi! 06:06, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
native-names subheader will stop working as intended
[edit]The {{lang-??}} templates are going away (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2024 September 27 § Replace and delete lang-?? templates). As the {{lang-??}} templates are deleted, the |subheader= parameter in {{Infobox}} will stop working as intended. Consider using multiple calls to {{native name}} or a single call to {{native name list}} or use {{langx}} in some way. The utility functions available from Module:Lang might also be helpful.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 17:53, 10 October 2024 (UTC)
- A fortnight gone without comment or action so I have reimplemented
|subheader=with{{native name list}}. - —Trappist the monk (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Can any body help me as to how I can place in the Designation parameter that it is part of Puerto Rico Register of Historic Sites and ZonesEl Johnson (talk) 19:26, 18 December 2024 (UTC)