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Proposed merge of Biophysical environment into Natural environment

Widely overlapping concepts, even similar definitions:

"A biophysical environment is a biotic and abiotic surrounding of an organism or population"
"The natural environment encompasses all living and non-living things occurring naturally"

Where both "biotic" and "living" are linked to Life. fgnievinski (talk) 04:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC) fgnievinski[reply]

I've completed the merge, but there was almost nothing there of value. Little was referenced; what was reference wasn't supported by the references, or was off topic (related topics section).

Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 21:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Introductory section unfinished

Reading the introductory section, the text at the end of the last paragraph is cut off, missing, or otherwise incomplete. (There isn't even punctuation.) It's some sort of sentence about soil comparisons, but can't tell more beyond that:

"If, for instance, in an agricultural field, the mineralogic composition and the structure of its soil are similar to those of an undisturbed forest soil, but the structure is quite different and more different" Hollyfeld (talk) 00:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem seemed to have been the unexplained addition of the final three words at some stage. I have removed them. HiLo48 (talk) 05:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-I'm having a problem with this definition. I'm unsure if the statements are just unclear, or I am fuzzy. Nature and natural contrast with man-made, man-influenced, and unnatural.  Of course an urban park like New York's Central Park (as an example) contains much that is natural, but I would hesitate to define it as a "natural environment" despite its clear value in many respects. Is this not the "common" sense, or am I way off base and looking at it instead from a scientist's perspective? Is a corn field a "natural environment?  It has great value and is all nature.- [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 00:46, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
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+== Proposed merge of [[Biophysical environment]] into [[Natural environment]] ==
-And right off the top there is clearly a problem in terms:
+Widely overlapping concepts, even similar definitions:
-:"In politics and other non-technical contexts, '''nature''' or ('''the''') ('''natural''') '''environment''' often refers to that part of the '''natural world'''"
+*"A biophysical environment is a biotic and abiotic surrounding of an organism or population"
+*"The natural environment encompasses all living and non-living things occurring naturally"
+Where both "biotic" and "living" are linked to [[Life]]. [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]] ([[User talk:Fgnievinski|talk]]) 04:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC) [[User:Fgnievinski|fgnievinski]]
+:I've completed the merge, but there was almost nothing there of value. Little was referenced; what was reference wasn't supported by the references, or was off topic (''related topics'' section). {{merge done}} [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 21:00, 22 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Introductory section unfinished ==
-which links to [[Nature]]. It is saying "nature" is that part of "nature" that has value ???
-- [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 01:04, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)
+Reading the introductory section, the text at the end of the last paragraph is cut off, missing, or otherwise incomplete. (There isn't even punctuation.) It's some sort of sentence about soil comparisons, but can't tell more beyond that:
-::The more I read the definition, the more I came to see it as just POV with a very narrow bias. Indeed, the logical extension of the argument was almost the opposite of what most would think the term means (expecially the bit about requiring "value"). The last paragraph seems sensible, the others did not; so I deleted them and replaced them with what I believe is the "common sense" of '''natural environment'''. Comments invited. - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 02:02, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)
+"If, for instance, in an agricultural field, the [[Mineralogy|mineralogic composition]] and the [[Soil structure|structure]] of its soil are similar to those of an undisturbed forest soil, but the structure is quite different and more different" [[User:Hollyfeld|Hollyfeld]] ([[User talk:Hollyfeld|talk]]) 00:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
-==MediaWiki bug?==
-For some reason, the pipelink from "environment" in the first sentence is being displayed not as a link but in bold. I can't work out why. Could it be a bug? [[User:Agentsoo|Agentsoo]] 17:21, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
+:The problem seemed to have been the unexplained addition of the final three words at some stage. I have removed them. [[User:HiLo48|HiLo48]] ([[User talk:HiLo48|talk]]) 05:08, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
-==Plain English==
-This whole page needs a "[[plain English]]" rewrite. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 18:50, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
-:I think there is a "Simple Englsh" Wikipedia for that. If you are really having trouble understanding this article you can of course improve it, but it seems pretty senior HS/college level to me - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 04:35, 10 August 2005 (UTC) Sorry, but I find placement of such a "tag" more to do with POV than anything real. This article attempts to define the term "natural environment", but certainly could go other places.  If you have a better definition, add it to the text.  The article that was here previously was pure BS. - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 04:46, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
-:: I find your response abusive. I suggested "plain English", not "[[Simple English]]", and suggest you read up on the two, which  are different. [[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]] 07:56, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
-:::Relax folks, it was a simple misunderstanding. If this article can be rewritten to use more everyday terms without losing technical accuracy then by all means do so. Inevitably some topics will use the appropriate technical terms, and you can always read up on them elsewhere, but if they aren't necessary then it would be better to make the article available to a wider audience. Go edit! [[User:Agentsoo|Agentsoo]] 09:15, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
-::Yes it was a bit abusive. Sorry about that.  But I really object to tags such as you added. What is wrong with you doing some editing to improve the article? Adding a stupid "Plain English" tag is the same as saying "I cannot understand this article, someone explain it to me".  Of course it could use some editing, and I did attempt to Plain English it for you, but I'm suspicious of how people interpret [[Plain English]] - I agree with what I read at Plain English but cannot help but think most proponents really want "no big words". Anyway, I abandon all interest in this article. I have no desire to get sucked into a conflict with difficult people  - [[User:Marshman|Marshman]] 17:12, 10 August 2005 (UTC)