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== Orphaned references in [[:Mike Thompson (California politician)]] ==
removed "though he would be regarded as a liberal by national Democratic standards, as with virtually all California Democrats." this is a subjective statement and not backed by any facts. for instance he has a 25% rating for the conservative test, hardly very liberal by national standards... as well many Democrats in California have 20%+ (Tauscher, Farr), 30%+ (Baca, Sanchez) ratings and there's even 40%+ (Cardoza 48% and Costa 50%) rating on the conservative test, so this claim that California Democrats are more liberal than the national average doesn't really hold up. [[User:Tirge Caps|Tirge Caps]] 19:10, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Iraq Visit ==

It seems that he went to Iraq with a congressman from Michigan and a congressman from Washington D.C., this visit was indirectly financed by Saddam Hussein. This just got out, so I may not have all my facts straight, but when enough information is out, we should add a section on it under controversies. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Blackbird88|Blackbird88]] ([[User talk:Blackbird88|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Blackbird88|contribs]]) 00:22, 27 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:No, you didn't have all the facts out, and even the ones out were misstated. The trip was already organized when the charity offered to pay for the plane tickets. The charity was vetted by the US gov't. The trip was vetted by the US gov't. When McDermott et al went to Baghdad they met with Iraqi officals, so it's not like this is any more controversial in 2008 than in 2002. Perhaps less, seeing that they were right, there were no WMDs, the war was an error, etc. Besides, this is all taken from the indictment, which means the government (Bush administration) gets to say whatever they want to say. And wasn't the administration being lobbied by groups wanting to overthrow the government, as opposed to keeping it in place? [[User:Huangdi|Huangdi]] ([[User talk:Huangdi|talk]]) 21:40, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

== Environmental record ==

This seems to be msotly about animal rights, not the environment. [[User:Flatterworld|Flatterworld]] ([[User talk:Flatterworld|talk]]) 04:30, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:With all due respect, endangered species protection is an environmental issue. In regard to your peculiar deletion of the bear baiting bill and Thompson's involvement, you can even see that bear baiting is the commonly accepted term for using bait to capture bears, even by proponents of the practice. [http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/beralegb_0716/]
:[[User:Lokiloki|Lokiloki]] ([[User talk:Lokiloki|talk]]) 05:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== NPOV dispute - Environmental record ==

Flatterworld, according to [[Wikipedia:NPOVD#How_to_initiate_an_NPOV_debate]], you were supposed to create this section (here in the Talk page) and
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"... clearly and exactly ''explain'' which part of the article does not seem to have a NPOV and why. Make some suggestions as to how one can improve the article."
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since you are the one who posted the POV tag. Since you didn't create this section, I did. Please provide your explanation and suggestions. [[User:Wideangle|Wideangle]] ([[User talk:Wideangle|talk]]) 20:23, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

: Certainly, since you obviously aren't at all familiar with writing for encyclopedias. First, this is not written in encyclopedic style. It uses inappropriate language and phraseology (massive, sparked some concern, high-tech hounding, and so forth) reflecting bias. Daily Kos is not considered a reputable, reliable source. For a section purportedly about his envirnomental record, it mentions one (1) actual environmental issue (logging) and then skips back and forth among a few animal rights issues. The section repeatedly states his hunting and fishing, with no connection to his record on the environment. iow, it implies that in itself is a 'bad record'. We really don't need rewrites from various animal rights groups pasted into Wikipedia. If that's your only interest, I'm sure you can find a better outlet than Wikipedia. Or, go work on the [[Animal rights]] article. We try to keep articles about members of Congress balanced, avoiding undue weight being given to one part of their record. We are an encyclopedia, and that's what encycloppedias do. [[User:Flatterworld|Flatterworld]] ([[User talk:Flatterworld|talk]]) 02:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
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Thompson voted for President Bush's controversial Healthy Forests Initiative,[11] which environmentalists saw as a massive gift to the timber industry.[12] He has sparked some concern for his environmental credentials with votes against limits to new commercial logging roads in Alaska's Tongass National Forest[13] and against limits to bear baiting.[14] He was also one of only 30 Democrats to vote against an amendment to maintain roadless areas protected under the Roadless Rule.[15] While a California state senator, Thompson helped defeat legislation to halt high-tech hounding of black bears[16] and co-authored and voted for a bill (SB 28) to resume trophy hunting of cougars.[17] SB 28 would have undone provisions of California Proposition 117 (the California Wildlife Protection Act of 1990) which had been approved by the voters in the statewide election held on June 5, 1990, that provided some protection for cougars.[17] Thompson was the House sponsor of the Northern California Coastal Wild Heritage Wilderness Act, which was signed into law by President George W. Bush.

Thompson was recognized as Federal Legislator of the Year by the hunting lobbyist group Safari Club International; he received the Hunting Heritage Award from the same group.[18]

Thompson did not endorse California's Proposition 2 (the Prevention of Farm Animal Cruelty Act) in the November 2008 election,[19] which passed with an overwhelming statewide 63.5% Yes vote[20] and which also won in every county of Thompson's district.[21] Proposition 2 was officially endorsed by the California Democratic Party.[22]

Daily Kos has an article[23] that details 14 of Thompson's legislative votes that were allegedly anti-environment.

Thompson is an active member and former co-chair of the Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus,[24][25] and is a lifelong hunter and fisherman.[26]
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:: I changed "massive" to "inordinate". I changed "sparked some concern for his environmental credentials" to "disappointed some environmentalists". The work continues. [[User:Wideangle|Wideangle]] ([[User talk:Wideangle|talk]]) 02:05, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:::That's it? That's all you got out of what I wrote? Sorry, but that's totally pathetic. Forest, trees, miss. [[User:Flatterworld|Flatterworld]] ([[User talk:Flatterworld|talk]]) 03:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

::::No, that's not all that I intend to do in response to your explanation and suggestions. I do understand that what you wrote encompasses more than that. Responding to the totality of what you wrote will take some time, and will be done in bits and pieces, as time permits. Your patience is appreciated. [[User:Wideangle|Wideangle]] ([[User talk:Wideangle|talk]]) 20:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

:: I changed "high-tech hounding" to "the use of dogs in hunting". The phrase "high-tech" is inappropriate here because the proposed law (California S.B. 67 of 1993-1994) had nothing to do with high-tech items. It is true that the committee staff's analysis [http://info.sen.ca.gov/pub/93-94/bill/sen/sb_0051-0100/sb_67_cfa_930212_181358_sen_comm] of the bill mentions "telemetry equipment and radio-collared dogs", but that's only in the comments and was never in the text of the bill. The word "hounding" was correct in the dictionary sense, but city folks would tend to infer the figurative meaning of the word (synonym for "harass" or "badger") so I prefer to use "hunt". The work of responding to your suggestions continues. [[User:Wideangle|Wideangle]] ([[User talk:Wideangle|talk]]) 20:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== "Bear baiting" is the proper term ==

The proponents of bear baiting call it "bear baiting". Note the headline in http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/beralegb_0716/ -- "Bear Baiting Amendment Defeated On House Floor". If you look down near the bottom of that same webpage, you will see direct quotes from Congressman Robin Hayes (co-chair of the Congressional Sportsmen's Caucus) in which he twice calls it "bear baiting".

The phrase is also used in the law. See the text of H.R. 1472 (the "Don't Feed the Bears Act of 2003") in http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c108:H.R.+1472:/ , in which the phrase "bear baiting" occurs five times. [[User:Wideangle|Wideangle]] ([[User talk:Wideangle|talk]]) 21:27, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

: Wrong. Bear baiting is the term used by the animal rights lobby to put people in mind of bear baiting in England in medieval times. That would be pit bulls fighting bears (in pits) for amusement. Wikifying THIS article to point to [[bear baiting]] is absurd. What this law is about is setting out food ("bait") to encourage the bears to come to a particular location where they can be shot. Do you truly not understand the difference? Did you not check where the wikification was pointing? Oh wait - you just changed that article, so clearly you're well aware that you were misleading people. Sorry, but you're making it incredibly tough to assume you're acting in good faith here. We are an encyclopedia, which means we try to be as clear and exact as possible to '''avoid''' misleading people. [[User:Flatterworld|Flatterworld]] ([[User talk:Flatterworld|talk]]) 02:03, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::"Bear baiting" in the medieval sense is extinct, except that it is practiced illegally in parts of rural Pakistan. The modern meaning of "bear baiting" may be found in [[Bear_baiting#Other_uses]]: "the hunting practice of luring a bear with bait to an arranged killing spot. The hunter places an amount of food, such as raw meat or sweets, every day at a given spot until the hunter notices the food is being taken each day, accompanied by bear tracks. He then chooses a day to await the bear, killing it when it arrives to feed." For confirmation that "bear baiting" in the modern sense refers to this type of hunting, see "Bear-Baiting Habit Under the Gun in Alaska" [http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jul/06/news/adna-bear6]; "A Black Bear Baiting Guide" [http://www.biggamehunt.net/sections/Black_Bear/A_Black_Bear_Baiting_Guide_03080410.html]; "Bear Baiting in Alaska" [http://wildlife.alaska.gov/index.cfm?adfg=bearhunt.baitingfaqs]; "Wisconsin Bear Baiting & Feeding Regulations" [http://dnr.wi.gov/org/land/wildlife/hunt/bear/BearBaitRegs.pdf]; "Alaska Prohibition on Bear Baiting Initiative (2004)" [http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alaska_Prohibition_on_Bear_Baiting_Initiative_(2004)]; "Question 2 would outlaw bear baiting, trapping" [http://orient.bowdoin.edu/orient/article.php?date=2004-10-22&section=1&id=6]; "Congress wrestling over bear baiting" [http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20030613/ai_n11389494]. When I originally Wikified the phrase "bear baiting" to point to Wikipedia's [[Bear baiting]] article, I was merely following the usual practice of pointing to an article undifferentiatingly (rather than pointing into the article to a specific subsection). I had no intention of causing readers to think that the House's action was a vote to protect the barbaric medieval practice of torturing chained bears. Now that I am thinking more intently about this matter, I think that Wikipedia's [[Bear baiting]] article ought to include the common contemporary meaning in its introduction, rather than discussing it only in a subsection.

::Be all that as it may, I have decided to bow to your inclination and change "bear baiting" to "hunting bears over bait". [[User:Wideangle|Wideangle]] ([[User talk:Wideangle|talk]]) 23:08, 19 December 2008 (UTC)


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== Bear Baiting Amendment Defeated On House Floor ==


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On December 17, Wikipedian Anders.Warga added and/or edited footnotes in which he noted that the "Bear Baiting Amendment Defeated On House Floor" story (http://www.bowhuntingmag.com/beralegb_0716/) (which was referenced in a footnote) did not contain a date. Therefore, I replaced that reference a few minutes ago with another reference (http://www.steelheader.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/66517/Main/66517) that does contain the date.
<li>From [[Jimmy Panetta]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|title=STATEMENT OF VOTE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION MARCH 3, 2020|access-date=2020-05-03|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]}}</li>
<li>From [[TJ Cox]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|title=Statement of Vote Presidential Primary Election March 3, 2020|access-date=2020-05-03|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]}}</li>
<li>From [[2022 United States House of Representatives elections in California]]: {{#invoke:cite web||url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2022-primary/sov/86-congress.pdf|title=June 7, 2022, Primary Election United States Representative|date=2022-06-25|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Shirley Weber]]}}</li>
<li>From [[Josh Harder]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|title=STATEMENT OF VOTE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION MARCH 3, 2020|access-date=May 3, 2020|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]|archive-date=May 17, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200517221055/https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|url-status=dead}}</li>
<li>From [[Katie Porter]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/sov/complete-sov.pdf|title=Statement Of Vote: Presidential Primary Election March 3, 2020|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]|access-date=2021-03-29}}</li>
<li>From [[Mike Garcia (politician)]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/sov/complete-sov.pdf|title=STATEMENT OF VOTE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION MARCH 3, 2020|access-date=2020-05-03|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]}}</li>
<li>From [[2020 United States House of Representatives elections in California]]: {{#invoke:cite web||url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|title=STATEMENT OF VOTE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION MARCH 3, 2020|access-date=2020-05-03|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]|archive-date=May 17, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200517221055/https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|url-status=dead}}</li>
<li>From [[Jimmy Gomez]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/sov/complete-sov.pdf|title=STATEMENT OF VOTE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION MARCH 3, 2020|access-date=January 28, 2021|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]}}</li>
<li>From [[Doris Matsui]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|title=STATEMENT OF VOTE PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY ELECTION MARCH 3, 2020|access-date=2020-05-03|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]|archive-date=May 17, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200517221055/https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|url-status=dead}}</li>
<li>From [[Jay Obernolte]]: {{Cite web|url=https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|title=Statement of Vote Presidential Primary Election March 3, 2020|access-date=May 3, 2020|publisher=[[California Secretary of State]] [[Alex Padilla]]|archive-date=May 17, 2020|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200517221055/https://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/sov/2020-primary/complete-sov.pdf|url-status=dead}}</li>
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I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<span style="color:#880">⚡</span>]] 04:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)
Anders.Warga's footnote also contained the following observation: "Rep Gallegly introduced H.R.1472 3/27/2003 in the [[108th Congress]], and it was not reported out of committee." Knowing that, one might wonder how there could have been a vote on the House floor. The answer is that, after H.R.1472 (the bill to prohibit the hunting of bears over bait) was blocked in committee, its sponsors moved to amend a Department of the Interior funding bill (H.R. 2691) to prohibit any funding to administer any action related to the baiting of bears except to prevent or prohibit such activity. Thus, the effect of the amendment would have been to amend H.R. 2691 to insert the substance of H.R. 1472 into it. The vote on the House floor (Roll Call 382) was on that proposed amendment to H.R. 2691. I added text to the footnote to convey this fact.

Latest revision as of 21:46, 19 December 2024

Orphaned references in Mike Thompson (California politician)

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I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Mike Thompson (California politician)'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "SoSPrimary":

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 04:17, 9 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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