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How is this a B-class article? Many sections contain no references at all. We have assertions for various series' popularity without citing any ratings. We mention regional differences in the genre and its formats, without citing any reliable sources. This seems to be original research, and likely reflects the POV of Wikipedia's editors. Dimadick (talk) 05:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Longest opera is not Guiding Light anymore

Assuming The Archers is still going, in 2022 they surpassed Guiding Light in runtime length. (72 years) Curuwen (talk) 23:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not all dictionaries say that for something to be properly called a "soap opera", it has to be long-running, according to how the term is commonly understood.

I happen to have the second edition of the Oxford English dictionary, which is considered an English-language authority by some. It doesn't say that for something to be correctly labelled as a "soap opera", it has be long-running. I do know that many English-language dictionaries are descriptivist, but I think that this Wikipedia article should at least mention this nuance, as per its Neutral Point of View policy.

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In all the billingual English-Portuguese dictionaries in which I looked that up, the translation given for the term "soap opera" is "telenovela" or simply "novela". That is true even for some billingual dictionaries which I consider high-quality such as the Cambridge English-Portuguese Dictionary. Semantism2 (talk) 22:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Unsourced ==
-==Soap or Drama Series?==
-Is there a reference for this statement: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera#Ireland “… RTÉ wanted a drama series for its Sunday night lineup rather than a soap opera, On Home Ground (2001–2002), The Clinic (2002–2009) and RAW (2010–2013) replaced the agri-soaps of the previous decades.“]  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Laura howard ie|Laura howard ie]] ([[User talk:Laura howard ie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Laura howard ie|contribs]]) 20:46, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+How is this a B-class article? Many sections contain no references at all. We have assertions for various series' popularity without citing any ratings. We mention regional differences in the genre and its formats, without citing any reliable sources. This seems to be original research, and likely reflects the POV of Wikipedia's editors. [[User:Dimadick|Dimadick]] ([[User talk:Dimadick|talk]]) 05:04, 17 August 2021 (UTC)
-==Latin América?==
-Latin America's melodramas are extremely important in the history of the genre. Where are they here?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/190.174.88.159|190.174.88.159]] ([[User talk:190.174.88.159|talk]]) 22:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Agreed. I cannot believe there is not one single mention of Latin American soap operas, which are not only influential worldwide (e.g. ''Maria La Del Barrio's'' influence in Europe and Asia, but also often have higher primetime ratings in the U.S. than English-language television programming). [[User:Cumbiagermen|Cumbiagermen]] ([[User talk:Cumbiagermen|talk]]) 23:05, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
-==Procter&Gamble==
-I think a small excerpt on the name origins of the term "Soap opera" would be informative. Being that many of them were sponsored by [[Procter_&_Gamble#Productions|Procter & Gamble]], which is a company that manufacturers soap. I mean if we can get a citation on it of course.{{unsigned IP|24.208.74.79|20:42, June 14, 2013}}
+== Longest opera is not Guiding Light anymore ==
-==TV Series aka Soap Operas==
-The following TV series could be looked upon as "Soaps" depending on your point of view:
-**Every sequel series of [[Star Trek]] {orginal series} {including MOVIES}
-**[[The Sopranos]]-everyone's favortie gangster family.
-**Any other canidates?
+Assuming ''The Archers'' is still going, in 2022 they surpassed ''Guiding Light'' in runtime length. (72 years) [[User:Curuwen|Curuwen]] ([[User talk:Curuwen|talk]]) 23:58, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
-I AGREE ON TV SERIES AS SOAPS!!!
+== Not all dictionaries say that for something to be properly called a "soap opera", it has to be long-running, according to how the term is commonly understood. ==
-*Another canidates would be the mini-series [[Centennial (novel)]] and any other mimi-series based on novels-or based on movies-such as [[MASH]].
-"Link to [[Centennial (TV miniseries)]]-{When TNT showed this series for 3 months straight for hours on end-it killed  any chance of me being a Soap Opera fan!!}
+I happen to have the second edition of the '''<u>Oxford English dictionary</u>, which is considered an English-language authority by some.''' It doesn't say that for something to be correctly labelled as a "soap opera", it has be long-running.
-Surely Downton Abbey should be included here as well? It seems to meet much of the criteria for a soap opera. Thoughts?  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Divemast|Divemast]] ([[User talk:Divemast|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Divemast|contribs]]) 23:41, 22 August 2016 (UTC)</span></small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+I do know that many English-language dictionaries are descriptivist, but I think that this Wikipedia article should at least mention this nuance, as per its Neutral Point of View policy.
+[https://www.google.com/search?q=soap+opera+def| Google Dictionary]
-== 2007 Daytime Airhog Awards ==
+[https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/soap%20opera| Meriam Wesbster]
-Rank 	Actor (Character) 	Show 	Total Episodes Appeared
-.	Alicia Minshew (Kendall Hart Slater)	All My Children (ABC)	233
-.	Lindsay Hartley ([[Theresa Lopez-Fitzgerald]])	[[Passions]] (NBC)	228
-.	Steve Burton (Jason Morgan)	General Hospital (ABC)	222
-.	Laura Wright (Carly Corinthos)	General Hospital (ABC)	220
-.	Thorsten Kaye (Zach Slater)	All My Children (ABC)	215
-.	Katherine Kelly Lang (Brooke Logan)	The Bold and the Beautiful (CBS)	213
-.	Eric Martsolf (Ethan Crane)	Passions (NBC)	209
-	Cameron Mathison (Ryan Lavery)	All My Children (ABC)	209
-.	Maurice Benard (Sonny Corinthos)	General Hospital (ABC)	206
-.	Julie Berman (Lulu Spencer)	General Hospital (ABC)	205
-.	Michael Easton (John McBain)	One Life to Live (ABC)	203
-	Rebecca Herbst ([[Elizabeth Webber]])	General Hospital (ABC)	201
-.	Alison Sweeney (Sami Brady)	Days of Our Lives (NBC)	192
-.	Emily Harper ([[Fancy]])	Passions (NBC)	190
-.	Ronn Moss (Ridge Forrester)	The Bold and the Beautiful (CBS)	189
-	Greg Vaughan (Lucky Spencer)	General Hospital (ABC)	189
-.	Galen Gering ([[Luis Lopez-Fitzgerald]])	Passions (NBC)	187
-.	Kelly Monaco ([[Samantha McCall]])	General Hospital (ABC)	184
-.	Jacob Young (J.R. Chandler)	All My Children (ABC)	179
-	Melissa Claire Egan (Annie Lavery)	All My Children (ABC)	178  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.26.21.217|70.26.21.217]] ([[User talk:70.26.21.217|talk]]) 23:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+[https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/soap-opera| Collins Dictionary]
-== What, no radio?  ==
+[https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/soap-opera| Oxford Learners Dictionary]
-Someone mentioned it above, but there's a serious lack of Old Time Radio here. The genre was first developed on radio, after all. I'm only familiar with American radio, but I know that daytime soaps were very popular. The husband/wife team of Anne & Frank Hummert started producing soaps as early as 1933, and were a soap opera factory, producing many shows over the years in an assembly line-like process. How can you have a Soap Opera page without dealing with the originators? There must be someone out there who cares enough to do the writing.
-[[User:MarkinBoston|MarkinBoston]] ([[User talk:MarkinBoston|talk]]) 02:34, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
+[https://www.dictionary.com/browse/soap%20opera| Dictionary.com]
-== This article looks kind of horrible... ==
+In all the billingual English-Portuguese dictionaries in which I looked that up, the translation given for the term "soap opera" is ''"telenovela"'' or simply ''"novela"''. That is true even for some billingual dictionaries which I consider high-quality such as the Cambridge English-Portuguese Dictionary. [[User:Semantism2|Semantism2]] ([[User talk:Semantism2|talk]]) 22:57, 31 October 2024 (UTC)
-Excuse me, but this article looked kind of like a trainwreck until I cleaned it up. I have listed several mistakes:
-There is no space between a comma and a statement in the first paragraph.
-In the first paragraph, "uk", (supposed to be UK), is not capitalized.
-==History of ...==
-Where is the history (radio shows, which was first tv show, which was first sponsored by soap?) Who are Clara Lu and Em from 1931 mentioned by BBC?[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17820571] [[User:Rmhermen|Rmhermen]] ([[User talk:Rmhermen|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
-==How come first US network TV soap opera not mentioned?==
-Surely [[Faraway Hill]] deserved a mention somewhere in the article? [[User:Suddenly There Is a Valley|Suddenly There Is a Valley]] ([[User talk:Suddenly There Is a Valley|talk]]) 10:22, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
-==Origin of the genre==
-Why does this section start with radio? ([[Lever Brothers]] as far as I know) first came up with the concept of a Soap Opera; long, long  before [[Marconi]] sent voices through the either. There are contempery bill posters on display  in [[Port Sunlight]], advertising the Uniliver's Soap Opera long, long before  mains electricity... [http://www.c21media.net/a-show-of-brands-2/]'[http://books.google.co.uk/books/about/Sunlight_Soap_Opera.html?id=Gus9twAACAAJ&redir_esc=y],[http://www.creators.com/lifestylefeatures/travel/travel-and-adventure/port-sunlight-a-town-where-soap-was-king.html]--[[User:Aspro|Aspro]] ([[User talk:Aspro|talk]]) 15:32, 9 October 2014 (UTC)
-== Soap or Drama Series? ==
-Is there a reference for this statement: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_opera#Ireland “… RTÉ wanted a drama series for its Sunday night lineup rather than a soap opera, On Home Ground (2001–2002), The Clinic (2002–2009) and RAW (2010–2013) replaced the agri-soaps of the previous decades.“]  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Laura howard ie|Laura howard ie]] ([[User talk:Laura howard ie|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Laura howard ie|contribs]]) 20:47, 14 June 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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-==Korean soap opera==
-I'm surprised that there is no section on South Korean soap opera. There is a lot of it, and it is increasingly popular in some other countries, such as Taiwan.[[User:Billposer|Bill]] ([[User talk:Billposer|talk]]) 02:38, 4 September 2015 (UTC)
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