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Martina Ononiwu

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This article is largely based on 4 sources about her being "awarded the US Presidential Lifetime Achievers Award (Presidential Volunteer Service Award) (PVSA) by American President Joe Biden." This is apparently only reported in Nigerian sources, not in any official source, and she isn't listed on the official list[1]. The award is apparently only intended for "U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents", so not for a Nigerian in France. If the sources have this basic fact, the premisse for the articles, wrong, then they aren't reliable sources to start with but just repeating something spoonfed by the subject or someone trying to promote them. Fram (talk) 09:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Awards, Economics, Nigeria, France, and United States of America. Fram (talk) 09:33, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete I've just done a deep dive into this. The President's Volunteer Service Award has various grades, and is given to numerous people every year, and is not generally notable. Only at the highest level, people receiving the the President's Call to Service Award (also called the "President's Lifetime Achievement Award"), may be notable for receiving the award. But even that is doubtful, as recipients are usually notable already in their own right. In any case, it's pretty clear that Martina Ononiwu did not receive the President's Call to Service Award, as there are no US-based notable sources testifying to this. A search for the name "Martina Ononiwu" is the news sources yields nothing except Nigerian news sources stating that she was given the President's Lifetime Achievement Award. It is highly unlikely that a person would be honored with the President's Lifetime Achievement Award, without leaving any sort of trace in the news sources. --LK (talk) 11:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
• Delete: Appears to be a HOAX based on the fact that USA sources mention nothing about the awards. I don't see notability otherwise. Oaktree b (talk) 16:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  The President's Volunteer Service Award is notable. If it is not, it won't have a page in Wikipedia. Very clear. Royalrumblebee (talk) 19:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  Yes, but the pages listing the winners of the award don't list Ononiwu, and she wouldn't be eligible in the first place. The notability that is disputed is not that of the award, but of Õnoniwu. Fram (talk) 08:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete : The article fails to meet Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline WP:GNG as it solely focuses on a single event without providing significant coverage of the topic. The subject's notability is questionable, given the award by the United States, despite being based in France with Nigerian origins. There is no international media coverage, with most coverage coming from Nigerian local and national dailies. This lack of international coverage and reliance on local publications gives the impression that the article may be sponsored or promotional in nature, further undermining its notability.Royalesignature (talk). 17:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

  There are many notable people already in Wikipedia who have little or no foreign press mentioning them, but are very well covered in reliable sources in their home countries, especially movie actors and actresses. See Indian actors etc. So this argument is not very strong. GNG mentions national publications as notable, especially if these sources have pages themselves in Wikipedia, such as Vanguard (Nigeria),The Nation (Nigeria), and The Guardian (Nigeria), all in which Martina Ononiwu was significantly covered. I rather think the nomination for deletion is too hasty and I think it should have been an article placed for redrafting as I am already seeing more sources that are reliable. Royalrumblebee (talk) 19:39, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as this [[2]] does not list her, nor this [[3]], so this at least appears to be false. Slatersteven (talk) 17:37, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

• Keep : The article meets Wikipedia's General Notability Guideline WP:GNG as it provides significant coverage of the topic in four reliable sources, Vanguard (Nigeria),The Nation (Nigeria), and The Guardian (Nigeria). I just added a fourth Independent Nigeria. According to Wikipedia's policy and I quote, :"Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail, so that no original research is needed to extract the content. Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material." See WP:SIGCOV. Secondly, the subject of the article was given a notable award in the United States, the President's Volunteer Service Award, which has its page here. If it is not notable, it won't pass notability to be included as a page in Wikipedia. There are many profiles in Wikipedia that are more notable in their home countries than elsewhere. The guide is to appear in notable sources. I humbly request that this nomination for deletion is too hasty as the article was published within four hours of its nomination and at best it could have been returned for redrafting, rather than deletion. This gives the impression that Nigerian sources are being seen as not notable. I saw the subject in a newspaper, made the research and decided to create without any solicitation whatsoever. Best.Royalrumblebee (talk) 20:05, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
  • But she hasn't received that award, she isn't even eligible for it (she isn't an American and doesn't live in the USA). So she isn't notable for the award, and the sources which uncritically report on it aren't reliable sources. Fram (talk) 08:18, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    The problem seems to be the sources and I ask in good faith, are Nigerian national newspapers not reliable sources? The weakness, I have come to admit, and in good faith too, is that the same content ran through the sources, much like someone fielded it to different journalists. Still, I vouch for her notability from a 2022 source in Independent Nigeria in which she bagged an earlier award along with former governors in Nigeria: https://independent.ng/marwa-wins-leadtimes-strategic-leadership-award-three-govs-wives-imo-lawmaker-others-bag-u-s-varsity-honour/

    She was also a notable speaker in Innovate Africa conference along with other notables (a former president of Nigeria, Olusegun Obasanjo; Director-General of the WTO, Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala; and P. L. O. Lumumba: https://innovateafricacorps.com/events/ Royalrumblebee (talk) 14:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

    • The problem is that even the website for the award does not list her as a recipient, so yes the problem is that only Nigerian newspapers have stated this.literally no no else, not even the people who are alleged to have awarded it. Slatersteven (talk) 17:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete:The issue here is not the reliability of Nigerian national newspapers but the reliability of the information provided by the sources used in the article. First off, the article fail to meet the WP:GNG. The subject of the article is not listed among the primary recipient of the award [4].Also, the award you cited here [5] is an award of honorary doctorate degree which doesn't constitute notability and neither does speaking alongside notable figures establish WP:notability. Emmanuella643 (talk) 16:56, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete: The sources in the article do not prove that the subject is notable. The subject did not meet the WP:General Notability Guidelines. Andikan Efiok Eduok (talk) 18:08, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

• Delete: Having done thorough check of the references, I realized that some of the sources in the article are personal websites, link to google drive which is a pdf document written by an individual. Other reliable sources only mention the award and being a strategist. Aderiqueza (talk) 21:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: So she's a business consultant in France? We take out the award (which seems to be a false statement), what's left... A consultant with no coverage in France and only in Nigeria. They seem to cover everyone and his or her brother in media there, so that's not terribly notable. Oaktree b (talk) 22:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete on the grounds that once you except WP:NEWSORGINDIA (because Nigeria has the same issue) type sources there is nothing. PARAKANYAA (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Delete: An article about a non-notable subject that is well-written but relies on unverifiable information to establish notability. Since this and this did not list the subject on their website, it is definitely not an awardee. Ibjaja055 (talk) 08:20, 22 December 2024 (UTC)