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Here Wikipedia is '''not''' even correct in presenting a historical esoteric perspective on the matter in the right perspective:
an entity is '''never''' physically transformed! –


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More correctly formulated,
Shapeshifting is mere bright impressive illusional ‘Hypnosis on the self’ or/and ‘Hypnosis on others’. –
A shapeshifter is '''not''' transformed – but a shapeshifter ‘is put under’ or ‘puts under’ hallucinative impressions and illusions. –
The practice of shapeshifting culture (hypnosis culture) can turn into convincing dangerous delusions and dangerous delusional actions.


== Who did this ==
== Themes in shapeshifting ==
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There seems to be a lot of OR in this section, or maybe it just needs more citations. It is beyond my ken, so I just tagged the section. [[User:Whikie|Whikie]] ([[User talk:Whikie|talk]]) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)


== Kafka==
No mention of Franz Kafka "The Metamorphosis"..? <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2A01:CB14:4DD:C200:B473:CF8C:1917:A507|2A01:CB14:4DD:C200:B473:CF8C:1917:A507]] ([[User talk:2A01:CB14:4DD:C200:B473:CF8C:1917:A507#top|talk]]) 12:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== Poor writing ==
== Reorganizing ==
The last item in the Mythology section and several items in Folklore must have been provided by contributors without much knowledge of English. They're incomprehensible like geraldine quimson. Is someone around who knows the myths and tales and can clean these up? [[User:Cognita|Cognita]] ([[User talk:Cognita|talk]]) 05:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)


The Mythology section is disorganized. They should be listed by continent. Maybe add an additional header. I don't want to touch anything in fear of breaking it. [[Special:Contributions/2A00:EE2:907:FF00:49EC:7167:80DD:D4A9|2A00:EE2:907:FF00:49EC:7167:80DD:D4A9]] ([[User talk:2A00:EE2:907:FF00:49EC:7167:80DD:D4A9|talk]]) 23:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)
== Odo and T1000 ==
Odo (and the changelings) from Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and the T1000 from Terminator 2 are clearly missing! <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.177.175.119|85.177.175.119]] ([[User talk:85.177.175.119|talk]]) 23:01, 14 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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== Merge [[Shapeshifting]] and [[Therianthropy]] ==
== Themes in shapeshifting ==
{{Discussion top |result='''Merge'''. <span class="nowrap">—[[User:TechnoSquirrel69|TechnoSquirrel69]]</span> ([[User talk:TechnoSquirrel69|sigh]]) 18:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)}}


There seems to be a lot of OR in this section, or maybe it just needs more citations. It is beyond my ken, so I just tagged the section. [[User:Whikie|Whikie]] ([[User talk:Whikie|talk]]) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
I think the article on [[Therianthropy]] should be merged into [[Shapeshifting]]. Both articles say they describe the same thing under different names. Discuss. [[User:Quarl|Quarl]] <sup>([[User Talk:Quarl|talk]])</sup> 22:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
: '''Support'''.--[[User:Redtigerxyz|<span style="color: red;">Redtigerxyz</span>]] <sup> [[User talk:Redtigerxyz|Talk]] </sup> 16:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
: '''Support'''. [[User:Deiadameian|Deiadameian]] ([[User talk:Deiadameian|talk]]) 22:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)
:'''Support'''[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 17:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''', therianthropy is something that only humans do, and it only involves changing into the shape of an animal, whereas shapeshifting is often done by non-human entities, and involves changing into things besides animals (indeed, in the case of non-human shapeshifters, oftentimes the shapeshifter is changing into a human, which is definitely not therianthropy). Both subjects are plenty notable enough in their own right, and merging the whole therianthropy article into a section in the shapeshifting article could be clunky, since there's so much info about therianthropy. They're better off as separate articles. [[User:JoePhin|<span style="color: green">Joe</span>]] ([[User talk:JoePhin|talk]]) 07:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
:'''Support''', given the vast majority of the [[Shapeshifting]] page involves transformations of humans, and hence there is heavy [[WP:MERGEREASON|overlap]]. Readers of the the therianthropy are missing much of relevance on the shapeshifting page. [[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 18:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
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===Followup work===
It's not entirely clear what to merge in from the [[Therianthropy]] article, which has a mixture of issues that include [[WP:OR]] of multiple types, and a bunch of [[MOS:WAF]] problems, with Wikipedia trying to write about fantasy and fan-fiction ideas as if they were reality (I just deleted an entire section of that stuff, but there's more). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 22:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
:I just cleaned up most of the citations in it. The article ([[Therianthropy]]) is a confused mish-mash of mythology from various cultures, neo-pagan religiosity, psychological/pyschiatric material, [[otherkin]] fantasy subculture stuff, furry/plushy cosplay subculture, and other subjects. A bunch of the sources are probably not really usable, being material generated from within these subcultures (e.g. the survey from https://invisibleotherkin.neocities.org, a website by someone who claims to identify as "a group of five non-humans who are currently existing simultaneously in a single human body", and that's just one of them). <span style="white-space:nowrap;font-family:'Trebuchet MS'"> — [[User:SMcCandlish|'''SMcCandlish''']] [[User talk:SMcCandlish|☏]] [[Special:Contributions/SMcCandlish|¢]] 😼 </span> 00:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

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== "therianthrope" is not "therianthropy, shapeshifting " ==

"therianthrope" shouldn't redirect to the "shapeshifting" entry. "therianthropy" is indeed synonymous with shapeshifting, but "therianthrope" is "Any mythical being which is part human, part animal" (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/therianthrope). the closest relevant entry is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93animal_hybrid [[Special:Contributions/2A00:A040:1A4:8D1D:F82D:8DCA:222D:A57B|2A00:A040:1A4:8D1D:F82D:8DCA:222D:A57B]] ([[User talk:2A00:A040:1A4:8D1D:F82D:8DCA:222D:A57B|talk]]) 19:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

==Merging in [[List of shapeshifters]]?==
In case anyone is interested, have started [[Talk:List of shapeshifters#Merge with Shapeshifter?|a discussion]] if it would make sense to merge [[List of shapeshifters]] here, as I believe this is pretty much a [[WP:Content fork]] of what is presented here partially in list-form as well. [[User:Daranios|Daranios]] ([[User talk:Daranios|talk]]) 16:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

== Prehistoric therianthropy ==

Shapeshifting aka therianthropy also occurs in prehistoric human history, for instance see [[Apollo 11 Cave]] and numerous other sites. This is not mentioned in the article. [[User:Ratel|Ratel 🌼]] ([[User talk:Ratel|talk]]) 09:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 09:41, 24 December 2024

Themes in shapeshifting

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There seems to be a lot of OR in this section, or maybe it just needs more citations. It is beyond my ken, so I just tagged the section. Whikie (talk) 17:05, 30 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Kafka

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No mention of Franz Kafka "The Metamorphosis"..? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:CB14:4DD:C200:B473:CF8C:1917:A507 (talk) 12:34, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganizing

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The Mythology section is disorganized. They should be listed by continent. Maybe add an additional header. I don't want to touch anything in fear of breaking it. 2A00:EE2:907:FF00:49EC:7167:80DD:D4A9 (talk) 23:53, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge. TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 18:21, 7 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I think the article on Therianthropy should be merged into Shapeshifting. Both articles say they describe the same thing under different names. Discuss. Quarl (talk) 22:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Support.--Redtigerxyz Talk 16:58, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Deiadameian (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support★Trekker (talk) 17:12, 14 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, therianthropy is something that only humans do, and it only involves changing into the shape of an animal, whereas shapeshifting is often done by non-human entities, and involves changing into things besides animals (indeed, in the case of non-human shapeshifters, oftentimes the shapeshifter is changing into a human, which is definitely not therianthropy). Both subjects are plenty notable enough in their own right, and merging the whole therianthropy article into a section in the shapeshifting article could be clunky, since there's so much info about therianthropy. They're better off as separate articles. Joe (talk) 07:50, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support, given the vast majority of the Shapeshifting page involves transformations of humans, and hence there is heavy overlap. Readers of the the therianthropy are missing much of relevance on the shapeshifting page. Klbrain (talk) 18:05, 30 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Followup work

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It's not entirely clear what to merge in from the Therianthropy article, which has a mixture of issues that include WP:OR of multiple types, and a bunch of MOS:WAF problems, with Wikipedia trying to write about fantasy and fan-fiction ideas as if they were reality (I just deleted an entire section of that stuff, but there's more).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:48, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just cleaned up most of the citations in it. The article (Therianthropy) is a confused mish-mash of mythology from various cultures, neo-pagan religiosity, psychological/pyschiatric material, otherkin fantasy subculture stuff, furry/plushy cosplay subculture, and other subjects. A bunch of the sources are probably not really usable, being material generated from within these subcultures (e.g. the survey from https://invisibleotherkin.neocities.org, a website by someone who claims to identify as "a group of five non-humans who are currently existing simultaneously in a single human body", and that's just one of them).  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  00:37, 23 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Mythology

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 16 January 2024 and 10 May 2024. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Queso Misterioso (article contribs).

— Assignment last updated by Queso Misterioso (talk) 01:34, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"therianthrope" is not "therianthropy, shapeshifting "

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"therianthrope" shouldn't redirect to the "shapeshifting" entry. "therianthropy" is indeed synonymous with shapeshifting, but "therianthrope" is "Any mythical being which is part human, part animal" (https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/therianthrope). the closest relevant entry is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human%E2%80%93animal_hybrid 2A00:A040:1A4:8D1D:F82D:8DCA:222D:A57B (talk) 19:59, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In case anyone is interested, have started a discussion if it would make sense to merge List of shapeshifters here, as I believe this is pretty much a WP:Content fork of what is presented here partially in list-form as well. Daranios (talk) 16:09, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Prehistoric therianthropy

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Shapeshifting aka therianthropy also occurs in prehistoric human history, for instance see Apollo 11 Cave and numerous other sites. This is not mentioned in the article. Ratel 🌼 (talk) 09:41, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]