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==Trans-panic defence== |
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There's a potentially useful list at [https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/%22Don't-Talk-to-Me-about-Deception%22%3A-The-Necessary-Wodda-Panfil/987245013c3163555051cac8946f2bd11570d425 the tables] in this article. The tables describe each event as a murder, regardless of the outcome. Each event should be assessed to see if RS at large consider it to be a use of the tras-panic defence. |
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All the best: ''[[User:Rich Farmbrough|Rich]] [[User talk:Rich Farmbrough|Farmbrough]]''<small> 23:42, 10 January 2021 (UTC).</small><br /> |
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Should this really be titled [[Gay panic defense]] when it covers the "trans panic defense" just as much? A general name would probably be more appropriate here. [[User:Elliot321|Elliot321]] ([[User_talk:Elliot321|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Elliot321|contribs]]) 00:11, 8 February 2021 (UTC) |
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:A big reason for "trans panic" is that the person fears that finding a trans person attractive means that they themselves are gay. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:54, 9 February 2021 (UTC) |
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== Regarding gender identity and sexual orientation == |
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== States are slowly moving to ban the homophobic ‘gay panic’ defence == |
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After [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gay_panic_defense&diff=1264865093&oldid=1264857567 reverting an edit] just now, I see there have been several other instances of (mostly anonymous) editors removing "heterosexual" from the description "heterosexual trans woman" in the lead of this article. I'll [[WP:AGF|assume good faith]] and offer the following explanation for the genuinely ignorant: |
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* https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gay-panic-defence-new-mexico-hate-crime-b1819747.html |
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- [[Sexual orientation]] and [[gender identity]] are separate things. |
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[[User:John Cummings|John Cummings]] ([[User talk:John Cummings|talk]]) 18:13, 20 March 2021 (UTC) |
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- The shorthand is that sexual orientation is who you go to bed ''with'', whereas gender identity as who you go to bed ''as''. |
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== Who uses the defense == |
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- Just as [[cisgender]] people can be of any sexual orientation, [[transgender]] people can be as well. |
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- A [[heterosexual]] [[trans woman]] is a woman who was [[assigned male at birth]] and is exclusively or primarily attracted to men. [[User:Funcrunch|Funcrunch]] ([[User talk:Funcrunch|talk]]) 23:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Yesterday, someone said he'd be changing this article because it's biased against men. I think he's wrong because the given cites say it's usually straight cis men who use this defense. Please tell me what cis gay man, cis lesbian, straight woman or trans person is doing this to gay men or trans women? Cis gay men are into men. So, unless they're closeted or in deep denial, I guess, they don't do this to other gay men. They don't do it to trans women. Cis lesbians aren't doing it to gay men because they aren't into men, and I've found no news reports that they've done it to trans women. I've found no news reports that straight women do this to lesbians or trans men. Trans women aren't doing it to gay men or other trans women. So now wikipedia is falsely claiming that everybody uses this defense. Please change it. It's of contextual significance to say who uses the defense, lest wikipedia misleads. |
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[edit]This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 11 January 2022 and 29 April 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Peer reviewers: IAmNotTLockett.
Regarding gender identity and sexual orientation
[edit]After reverting an edit just now, I see there have been several other instances of (mostly anonymous) editors removing "heterosexual" from the description "heterosexual trans woman" in the lead of this article. I'll assume good faith and offer the following explanation for the genuinely ignorant:
- Sexual orientation and gender identity are separate things.
- The shorthand is that sexual orientation is who you go to bed with, whereas gender identity as who you go to bed as.
- Just as cisgender people can be of any sexual orientation, transgender people can be as well.
- A heterosexual trans woman is a woman who was assigned male at birth and is exclusively or primarily attracted to men. Funcrunch (talk) 23:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
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