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== Invitation to participate in a research ==
== Undiscussed page moves and hijacking attempts by TSJ/Bensebgli/Anujror sockfarms ==
I saw that you blocked the TSJ's range and protected the redirects.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Thakor_Sumant_Sinhji_Jhala&curid=76176689&diff=1231049703&oldid=1231042342] I'm wondering if it's possible to undo the damage they've done by moving these long standing redirects by renaming back to their original name or merging their histories or deleting them. I tried but I got a error that states "page of that name already exists". These are the redirects that I'm talking about.
*[[Chauhan (Clan)]] was moved to [[Chauhan (Mer clan)]] by {{noping|Varoon Punia}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chauhan_Kolis&oldid=1192866435] and then moved to [[Chauhan Kolis]] by {{noping|Ravish Dhankar}} (TSJ sock)[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chauhan_Kolis&diff=prev&oldid=1223114965].
*[[Annexationist Movement]] was moved to [[Devi Movement (Gujarat)]] by {{noping|Vinuraj Solanki}}[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Devi_Movement&diff=prev&oldid=1227061176] and was subsequently hijacked as a [[Koli people|Koli]] related article by {{noping|Santosh Semwal Uttarkashi}}. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Devi_Movement&diff=prev&oldid=1227936835] (Both TSJ socks).
*[[Jhala clan]] was moved to [[Makwana_Kolis]] by Vinuraj Solanki.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Makwana_Kolis&diff=prev&oldid=1227061527].
*[[Satpura Hills]] was moved to [[Satpute Koli]] by Vinuraj Solanki[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Satpute_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227062323].
*[[Bhangra dancer]] moved to [[Bhangre Koli]] by Vinuraj Solanki[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bhangre_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227052753].
*[[Rawit]] to [[Rawat (clan)]] by {{noping|Salimbhatt234}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rawat_(clan)&oldid=1227100342].
*[[Bokan (surname)]] was moved to [[Bokan (clan)]] by {{noping|Akshay Rotela}}. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bokan_(clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225888611].
*[[Chalks]] was moved to [[Chaluk]] by Salimbhatt234 [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chaluk&diff=prev&oldid=1227077039].
*[[Draft:Chudasama (clan)]] was an accepted [[WP:AFC|afc]] submission and served as a redirect to [[Chudasama (clan)]] ,it was later moved to [[Draft:Chudasama (Ahir clan)]] and then to [[Chudasama (Ahir clan)]] by Akshay Rotela [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chudasama_(Ahir_clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225888992], and was subsequently hijacked by a sock from the Bensebgli group. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chudasama_(Ahir_clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1226456332].
*[[Chokar Kalan]] was moved to [[Chhokar]] by {{noping|Chotu singhaniya}}[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chhokar&diff=prev&oldid=1224591289].
*[[Domaal Rajputs]] was moved to [[Domaal]] by Chotu singhaniya [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Domaal_Rajputs&oldid=1224592178].
*[[Pallia]](a redirect to [[Pallium]]) was moved to [[Palia Kolis]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Palia_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1223341840] and then to [[Palia Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Palia_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1223341840] by {{noping|Dhirendra Sengar}}.
*[[Mehr people]] was moved to [[Mer Kolis]] and then to [[Mer (Koli clan)]] by {{noping|Kaljibhai Mer}}.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mer_(Koli_clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1220551698][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mer_(Koli_clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1220551980].
These are the ones that I've encountered, I'm certain there are many more such redirects . <span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 06:52, 26 June 2024 (UTC)


Hello,
:Will take a look in the next 24h. Feel free to add to the list in the meantime. Cheers [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 07:11, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
::{{reply|Ratnahastin}} Done except for [[Chokar Kalan]] / [[Chhokar]] because in that case I couldn't figure out where the article actually belongs and what its content (if anything) should be; several sockfarms seem to be involved; and, a few good-faith editors have weighed in (likely w/o being aware of the socking issues)making it ineligible for G5. I have protected the two pages so that non-sock knowledgeable editors can fix the content as they see fit.
::Let me know if I missed something or erred somewhere in handling the above list. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 01:01, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, can you have a look at these redirect moves too?
::*[[Sporadipus]] > [[Bohada (festival)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bohada&action=history]
::*[[Patil Hendre patil (feudal title)]] > [[Koli Patil]] > [[Patil (Koli title)]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Patil_(Koli_title)&diff=prev&oldid=1227050440]
::*[[Coat of arms of Bamble]] > [[Bambale Kolis]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bambale_Kolis&diff=prev&oldid=1227062596]
::*[[Pichon et Parat]] > [[Pichad Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pichad_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227062524]
::*[[Khare (The Braham Kayastha)]] > [[Khade Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Khade_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227052963]
::*[[Ghada (given name)]] > [[Ghadasi Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ghadasi_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227062234]
::*[[All India Kshatriya Mahasabha]] > [[Gujarat Kshatriya Mahasabha]] > [[Gujarat Kshatriya Mahasabha 1980]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gujarat_Kshatriya_Mahasabha_1980&diff=prev&oldid=1227052216]
::*[[Kirwin, KS]] > [[Kirwe Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kirwe_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227059587]
::*[[Babri]] > [[Babria Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Babria_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227060165]
::*[[Ranveer Sena]] > [[Bhoomi Sena (Maharashtra)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ranveer_Sena&diff=prev&oldid=1227060408]
::*[[Kenley Geronimo Jansen]] > [[Kengle Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kenley_Geronimo_Jansen&oldid=1227060628]
::*[[Mali (caste)]] > [[Maliwad Kolis]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maliwad_Kolis&diff=prev&oldid=1227061021]
::*[[Mahavar]] > [[Koli Mahasabha (India)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koli_Mahasabha_(India)&diff=prev&oldid=1227061720]
::*[[Chaaravalayam]] > [[Charavadia Kolis]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Charavadia_Kolis&diff=prev&oldid=1227061863]
::*[[Shakyas]] > [[Shakyawal Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Shakyawal_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227062091]
::*[[Gaikai.com]] > [[Gaikriya Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gaikriya_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227062166]
::*[[Shelkar dzong]] > [[Shelkande Koli]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Shelkande_Koli&diff=prev&oldid=1227062426] <span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 06:05, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::These are from [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Anujror|Anujror]]/[[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bensebgli|Bensebgli]]/[[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Johnbendenz|Johnbendenz]] sock group.
::*[[Kolhi]] > [[Kolis of Pakistan]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kolhi&diff=prev&oldid=1225902802]>
::*[[Bhatia clan]] > [[Bhatia (clan)]] > [[Bhatia (Gurjar clan)]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bhatia_(Gurjar_clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225893608][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bhatia_(clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225893563].
::*[[Jadaun]] > [[Jadon (clan)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Jadon_(clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225891469].
::*[[Bakht Singh Chabra]] > [[Chabra]] > [[Chabri]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chabri&diff=prev&oldid=1225888094][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chabri&diff=prev&oldid=1225888119].
::*[[Mori (clan)]] > [[Mori (Gurjar clan)]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mori_(Gurjar_clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225887443].
::*[[Koli caste]] > [[Koli clans]] > [[Koli (clan)]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koli_clans&diff=prev&oldid=1225885775][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koli_(clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225886189].
::*[[Tank (surname)]] >[[Taunk (surname)]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Taunk_(surname)&diff=prev&oldid=1225885634].
::*[[Pundir]] > [[Pundir Rajputs]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pundir&oldid=1225885045].
::*[[Pundhir]] > [[Pundir Gujjars]][https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pundhir&oldid=1225885119].
::*[[Nandas]] > [[Nandvanshi]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nanda_(clan)&diff=prev&oldid=1225883714].
::*[[Nandvanshi]] > [[Nanda (clan)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nandvanshi&oldid=1225883774].
::*[[Naggar]] > [[Nagar Clan]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Nagar_Clan&diff=prev&oldid=1225883424].
::*[[Solanka]] > [[Solanki (Koli clan)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Solanka&oldid=1225883034].
::*[[Rawil]] > [[Rawal (clan)]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rawil&oldid=1225881077].
::*[[Bhattarak]] > [[Battar]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bhattarak&oldid=1225880099].
::*[[Kumbar]] > [[Khubar (clan)]]
::*[[Kak (Gotra)]] > [[Kak dynasty]]
::*[[Tuar]] > [[Tomar (Gurjar clan)]]
::*[[Panwar Clan]] > [[Pawar (clan)]]
::*[[Powar (caste)]] > [[Panwar Jatts]] (See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions/AmyJadeja&target=AmyJadeja&offset=&limit=100 Contributions of AmyJadeja] who moved many Japanese clan pages)
::*[[Chapas]] > [[Chapa (clan)]]
::*[[Lodhis]] > [[Lodha (clan)]]
::*[[Pathan]] > [[Pathan (clan)]]
::*[[Pawars]] > [[Pawar Gurjars]]
::*[[Khari]] > [[Khari, Nepal]]
::*[[Khari]] > [[Khari (surname)]]
::*[[Rawal]] > [[Rawal (title)]]
::*[[Raksel]] > [[Raksel dynasty]]
::*[[List of Khattaks]] > [[Khattak (surname)]]
::*[[Battle of El Fasher]] > [[Siege of El Fasher]]
::*[[Elisabeth Hirsch]] > [[EC Stilson]]
<span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 06:51, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
:::: Thanks. Will take a look as and when I am procrastinating from other tasks. :) [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 17:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
::::: I've cleaned up most of the first group of pages where a redirect was hijacked by an unrelated subject. I wonder if some [[WP:Title blacklist|title blacklist]] entries would be useful here, i.e <code><nowiki>.*koli.* <moveonly></nowiki></code> would block any attempts to move a page to a title containing the word "koli" (case insensitive) by anyone who is not in the [[WP:Page mover|page mover]], [[WP:Template editor|template editor]] or [[WP:Administrator|administrator]] groups. [[User:Pppery|* Pppery *]] [[User talk:Pppery|<sub style="color:#800000">it has begun...</sub>]] 21:23, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::''Much'' appreciated {{u|Pppery}}!
:::::: I have [[WP:IAR|cleaned up]] our [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAbecedare&diff=1232840827&oldid=1232837187 conversation] a bit but thanks for setting up the title blacklist and if there is anything more that can be done, feel free to get in touch by email. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 22:09, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


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Ratnahastin has an anti-BJP and pro-INC bias, and engage in edit war. Their edits are a mix of content removal (sourced), POV pushing, censoring, and misrepresentation of sources. Refer the edit history and talk page of [[:Enforcement Directorate]] in early April this year, also check the edit warring in [[:Katchatheevu]] from 31 March where the user tag-teamed with Rzvas for content removal without even providing a valid explanation. The problem in those articles still prevails.--[[Special:Contributions/27.63.235.6|27.63.235.6]] ([[User talk:27.63.235.6|talk]]) 16:01, 7 July 2024 (UTC)
:IP, at a quick glance the edits at the two articles you mentioned appear to be routine content disputes that can and should be settled through talkpage discussion or [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]]; I cannot determine if you have tried that approach while editing through another IP or account. If there is anything particular you are concerned about, you'll need to be more specific (ie, provide [[WP:DIFF|diffs]] etc), and [[WP:ANI]] or [[WP:AE]] may be a better venue to ensure a broader and more timely response. Pinging {{u|The Doom Patrol }} who was involved in both those disputes in case they wish to follow up on this complaint at those boards. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 17:03, 7 July 2024 (UTC)


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A user [[Padfoot]] is repeatedly removing sourced content (WP:RS) from [[Maratha Confederacy]] article without any valid reason. He is telling any editor to have a discussion or consensus if they wanna add any information in the article. Moreover he is not accepting the statement of reliable sources and when I am asking him to provide any sources for support of his statement or views he isn't (see this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#Neutrality]). The article prior to my most recent edits [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1233235943] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1233241767] has numerous failed sources and wrong information in the lead, when i am correcting it, he is reverting my edits, removing wrong information and changing it to correct information doesn't require consensus or discussion. I have even quoted from the sources so that other editors could easily verify it. Kindly see to it.


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:{{reply|Mohammad Umar Ali|PadFoot2008 }} I don't know offhand which of your preferred [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=1233248368&oldid=1233247204 version] is superior or has consensus but I can second the advice {{u| Flemmish Nietzsche}} has offered several times on the page (eg [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20240526045000-Mohammad_Umar_Ali-20240526044700] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20240526050000-Mohammad_Umar_Ali-20240526045700]) that edit-warring and arguing about what the article lede should state ''while'' the discussions are ongoing (or on hiatus) is unproductive. Until clear consensus is established, any "correction" you may make to the article is going to be unstable. So I would suggest that:
:# Get back to the article talkpage, and use [[WP:DR]] if needed
:# Break up the problem into addressable chunks because it is unlikely that you will be able to settle all the differences seen in [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1233235943 this diff] at one go.
:# Also consider whether all that detail belongs in the article lede (again, as Flemmish Nietzsche [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20240524125800-Mohammad_Umar_Ali-20240524125200 suggested previously])
:# Stop reverting each other in the meantime!
:Note that if the current conduct continues, page protection or page blocks are likely. Hopefully, that won't be necessary though. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 02:41, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
::That [[Talk:Maratha Confederacy#c-Flemmish Nietzsche-20240524125800-Mohammad Umar Ali-20240524125200|discussion]] was just about one line and Flemmish didn't remove it after I added it [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1232803561 see this] but the rest of what I added see this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1233248368] is supported by reliable sources. While the previous version prior to my edit has wrong information, it's that sources say one this but lead contains entirely different information. I already had a discussion with him but he is providing no sources random statements of any user can't be included in the argument. The main problem is that he isn't accepting information stated by reliable sources nor he is giving any reliable sources for support of his claim. So please help me out. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 02:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
::Also I wanted to point out one more thing, Padfoot often ignores the discussion once he revert my edits you could see this from the many discussions me and Padfoot had on article's talk page. Now as he has restored the previous version he will likely not answer or delay the discussion. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 03:11, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{reply|Mohammad Umar Ali}} reading the discussions on the talkage, it is difficult for an outside observer to even determine what proposed addition or deletion is being argued over in which section. That is why I suggested the above steps. That way, even if you/PadFoot2008 cannot see eye to eye, you can point to the specific section where the particular edit was discussed and ''other'' discussants weighed in on one side. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 03:13, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
::::I have asked him [[Talk:Maratha Confederacy#Neutrality|three simple questions]] now, if he answers that well and fine but I am sure he can't so he will ignore my msg that's the problem. Just please ensure he discusses that specific points nothing else. [[User:Mohammad Umar Ali|Mohammad Umar Ali]] ([[User talk:Mohammad Umar Ali|talk]]) 03:19, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
::::The thing which started the whole situation was PadFoot's rewrite of the entire lead [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1225217906] which many people did not receive well but PadFoot reverted and responded to with "the lead was too long", despite that a deletion of the last paragraph in the former lead, which was indisputably not necessary for the lead, would shorten it enough. MuA (Mohammad Umar Ali) has since fought over the inclusion of different areas of greatest extent of the Marathas' borders (farther south and north than the ones in the lead prior to PadFoot's rewrite), which have peculiarly gotten increasingly southward throughout this dispute [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1225411961 first change, "Karnataka in the south"] to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=prev&oldid=1233248368 most recent change, "Tamil Nadu in the south"]. There has also been disputes over the neutrality of PadFoots new lead, which has stayed (I personally don't really care either way, except for the border situation which I think it would be better just to stay what the stable borders were) as of now. The first talk page discussion on this dispute was [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maratha_Confederacy#WP:RAJ_claim_misunderstood_by_Rawn3012 this one] "WP:RAJ claim misunderstood by Rawn3012"; and has continued in most of the following discussions. [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche|Flemmish Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche|talk]]) 04:10, 8 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for the background, Flemish. I tried to read-through the [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Maratha_Confederacy&diff=cur&oldid=1225210403 changes] that have been made since the page-move but the diff is hard to follow. Barring support for mass-revert, which I haven't seen so far, the best course forward may be to address any proposed changes on their merit without regarding the current version as necessarily having consensus behind it either. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 02:21, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
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They seem like a sock of Thakor Sumantsinhji Jhala, for example see this edit war over a redirect hijacking [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koli_Samaj&action=history] between them and an IP , I think they were edit warring while logged out with themselves to create an illusion of them not being TSJ because they reverted the IP only a minute later.
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koli_Samaj&diff=prev&oldid=1234067044 IP hijacks redirect at 17:35, 12 July 2024]
*[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Koli_Samaj&diff=prev&oldid=1234067212 revert by Helping birds at 17:36, 12 July 2024] <span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 15:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)


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:Yup, they ''could'' have been edit-warring with themselves. There are so many LTAs in the caste, esp. Rajput, area that it is hard to be sure of who's who and what mental games they are trying. Blockworthy in any case. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 15:21, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
:: It seems my suspicions were correct , they indeed are a sock of TSJ. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Helping_Birds&diff=prev&oldid=1234118642] <span style="font-family:'forte'">[[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] <b>([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]])</b></span> 04:04, 13 July 2024 (UTC)


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Would you have a look at [[User:Haribhakta10]]? I'm thinking they are the return of [[User: Viratvini11]] (sock of User:Vinayvinyill) who you blocked yesterday. Their account was created today and they have the same focus on Darshan, same interest in adding/improving photos, same habit of going to user's talk pages to ask them (while pinging others) for improvements to be made. Thanks, [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 12:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)


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:Iam not a sock, First time I create wiki , when I start to edit, first I see all users how they are contributing to article, so I add their reference, If any doubts me, investigate me I can clarify all your doubts.
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:{{reply|Zinnober9}} Thanks for spotting this/ Blocked as [[WP:DUCK]]. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 13:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)
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::Duck again. [[User:ದರ್ಶನ್ ಅಭಿಮಾನಿ]] [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 15:34, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
:::{{bnt}}. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 15:44, 15 July 2024 (UTC)
::[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Darshan_(Kannada_actor)&oldid=1234853318 Admitted socking] for [[User:D boss worshipper]]. Sigh. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 13:47, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Blocked. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 15:07, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
::Another duck. Note the similarities of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Darshan_%28Kannada_actor%29&diff=1234671101&oldid=1234278397 previous] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Darshan_%28Kannada_actor%29&diff=1235615771&oldid=1234674701 current]. Reordered it a little, but same focus, same phrasing, same links. [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 11:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Nevermind, Bbb23 got them. Thanks all the same! [[User:Zinnober9|Zinnober9]] ([[User talk:Zinnober9|talk]]) 12:57, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
::::{{u|Bbb23}} is omniscient. :) [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 17:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)


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Making the protection indefinite seems like overkill, Somehow i doubt this is going to be a controversial topic in a year [[User:Trade|Trade]] ([[User talk:Trade|talk]]) 20:32, 16 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{reply|Trade}} Indefinite does not mean forever. Things will hopefully settle down although it's too soon to know exactly when since there is so much real life uncertainty due to the unknowns of the case itself, the upcoming elections etc. If and when the on-wiki activity/disruption falls, the protection at this and related articles can be lowered by asking the admins who applied the protection or posting at [[WP:RFPP]]. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 20:41, 16 July 2024 (UTC)


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Hi Abecedare, I hope you're doing well. I would like to request action against this user {{noping|SantwinderSingh}} who is vandalizing various pages-[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Mughal_Empire&diff=prev&oldid=1235063642], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Malerkotla_State&diff=prev&oldid=1235061398], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Punjabi_Christians&diff=prev&oldid=1232725240]. This user is also a sock of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/GuruRavidasPuttar/Archive GuruRavidasPuttar]; all these accounts are being operated by a user who for the past 2 years, has been a menace in various South Asian related pages, they've been vandalizing pages through IPs which geolocate to Italy, making random changes to census figures, aggrandizing their religion and the Punjabi language, and trying to engulf various sects as part of his religion. After this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&oldid=1220109704#LTA_user_created_an_account_impersonating_a_religious_institution,_username_promotion,_and_fringe_theory_promotion ANI report], where many of their ranges were blocked from the pages they often target, the user switched to using accounts. SantwinderSingh is clearly this user's sock account. [[User:Southasianhistorian8|Southasianhistorian8]] ([[User talk:Southasianhistorian8|talk]]) 18:08, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
:{{reply|Southasianhistorian8}} Would you mind adding this to the [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/GuruRavidasPuttar|GuruRavidasPuttar SPI]] so that there is a consolidated record of the sockmaster? Pinging {{noping|Dreamy Jazz}} from there may also help, esp. if the new account is still editing from Italy. At a quick glance the edits to [[Dera Sach Khand]] look suspicious but will need to take a deeper look before I can act; will do so in the next day or so. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 18:55, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
::I'm sorry, I should have clarified, while I'm certain the account is a sock of GRP, the account is disruptive enough to warrant a NOTHERE block, so I don't think admins should go through the trouble of doing a sock investigation, or at least a behavioural evidence check, especially when this case involves hundreds of IPs over the course of 2 years. A block for persistent disruption was what I was hoping for. [[User:Southasianhistorian8|Southasianhistorian8]] ([[User talk:Southasianhistorian8|talk]]) 19:37, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
:::A look through their edits makes me even more inclined to think that {{noping|SantwinderSingh}} is indeed a sock of {{u|GuruRavidasPuttar}} but for now I have blocked them from article space to stop their disruption while leaving open the opportunity for them to use talkpages to present sources and explanation for their future edits. Have also ECPed [[Ravidasia]]. [[Malerkotla State]] could use some more eyes. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 00:41, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
::::Thanks Abecedare. [[User:Southasianhistorian8|Southasianhistorian8]] ([[User talk:Southasianhistorian8|talk]]) 00:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)


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Wikipedia articles such as [[Branches of Rashtrakuta dynasty]] and [[Baglana]] are being vandalised by an IP. Can u please increase protection of both the pages. [[User:Hashid Khan|<span style="color:#000000">Ha</span>]][[User talk:Hashid Khan|<span style="color:yellow;background:black;font-family:felix titling;font-size:80%">shid</span>]] 17:14, 22 July 2024 (UTC)


[[User:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#B8860B">Fowler&amp;fowler</span>]][[User talk:Fowler&amp;fowler|<span style="color:#708090">«Talk»</span>]] 04:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:{{reply|Hashid Khan}} I have semi-protected the article for a month to stop the repeated unexplained deletion and to encourage discussion of any issues on the talkpage. That said, on a quick glance, some of the article's content and sources do seem iffy and require a deeper review from knowledgeable editors. For example, [https://www.kamat.com/kalranga/deccan/rashtrakutas/ this self-published essay] by [https://kamat.com/jyotsna/ Jyotsna Kamat] is unlikely to qualify as reliable source. This can be discussed on the article talkpage and hopefully, the IP will participate and spell out their particular objections. Cheers. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 17:27, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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::Just so you're aware, Hashid Khan is himself a sockmaster and likely a sock as well; the former claim is already [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/R2dra#c-Ponyo-20240626160100-Clerk,_CheckUser,_and/or_patrolling_admin_comments_3 confirmed] and the latter is [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/R2dra#c-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20240623195600-Suspected_sockpuppets_2 awaiting a checkuser]. For some reason, Hashid Khan was indeffed for disruptive editing but was unblocked via an unblock request even when there was already a sock likely confirmed to him. Even if he is not confirmed to R2dra in the latter report he should still be indeffed for sockpuppetry, no? The vast majority of users going to admins talk pages and requesting protection or blocking for a Indian milhist related issue are themselves socks who have some greater motive, and I don't feel this case is an exception. [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche|Flemmish Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche|talk]]) 17:38, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::Thanks for that background {{u|Flemmish Nietzsche}}, which I wasn't aware of. See [[User_talk:ToBeFree#Hashid_Khan|this]]. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 18:01, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::May I suggest extended confirmed protection for the article [[Mughal-Rajput wars]]? There's been substantial editing by the socks in this sock [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche/sockwar belligerents|conflict]] in the past few months, and this page is one of their primary places to "own" each other. The most recent example of this is Hashid Khan (falls into side A) reverting the edits of Dooblts (recently confirmed sock of side B) and restoring a more "favorable" diff of the article. Normally this amount of disruption wouldn't warrant EC protection but I feel it's necessary here as these socks can very easily become autoconfirmed, and have shown that they are very determined to do so; my motivation to request this is amplified by both Dooblts' and new account {{u|Masterliverwort}}'s requests on my talk page for "assistance" on restoring back said article to a state which favors their side's (see my subpage for more info) views, the latter account of which suspiciously came [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Flemmish_Nietzsche#c-Masterliverwort-20240722171800-Flemmish_Nietzsche-20240605213300 running] to my talk page to request the exact same edits on the exact same page the day after Dooblts was confirmed to be a sock and blocked. You're free to block Masterliverwort (or forward it to a checkuser) if you feel my evidence clearly makes them a duck, but if not I'll make another SPI report. [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche|Flemmish Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche|talk]]) 19:31, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
:::::{{reply|Flemmish Nietzsche}} I have blocked the Hashid account and ECPed a few of the affected pages. Chose to indef ECP the [[Mughal-Rajput wars]] under [[WP:GSCASTE]] since, given the Rajput related subject matter and the various socks involved, that's its only hope of being cleaned up and then being stable. Thanks for your vigilance. [[User:Abecedare|Abecedare]] ([[User talk:Abecedare#top|talk]]) 21:52, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
::::::Great, thanks. [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche|Flemmish Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche|talk]]) 21:53, 22 July 2024 (UTC)


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Can you check if [[User:Chauthcollector|Chauthcollector]] is a sock of [[User:DeccanFlood|DeccanFlood]] or [[User:Malik Kafur]] [[Special:Contributions/2409:4085:78A:C8AD:CC95:A812:DDDB:2917|2409:4085:78A:C8AD:CC95:A812:DDDB:2917]] ([[User talk:2409:4085:78A:C8AD:CC95:A812:DDDB:2917|talk]]) 16:50, 23 July 2024 (UTC)


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:Abecedare is not a checkuser as far as I know, only an administrator. I will file an SPI report for Chauthcollector when I have time today, or you could yourself if you provide sufficient evidence. [[User:Flemmish Nietzsche|Flemmish Nietzsche]] ([[User talk:Flemmish Nietzsche|talk]]) 16:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)


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When he took up his hat to go, he gave one long look round the library. Then he turned ... (and Saxon took advantage of this to wag his way in and join the party), and said, "It's a rare privilege, the free entry of a book chamber like this. I'm hoping ... that you are not insensible of it."

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