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}}The injuries and fatalities section seems misnamed. The title implies people have died either in the ring or as a result of professional wrestling. It cites the fact that Dusty Rhodes, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giantall died within 30 years of Wrestlemania 1990. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. If they died as a result of wrestling, the article in its current form doesn’t show it. |
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=="Atheltic theatre"== |
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== Theater vs Exhibition == |
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In an earlier discussion, I accepted that the adjective "athletic" could apply to professional wrestling as a type of theatre if you stretch the definition a little, but do we really need that word there? It's fairly obvious, and little superfluous. [[User:Kurzon|Kurzon]] ([[User talk:Kurzon|talk]]) 05:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:I don't think it's superfluous – it illustrates why pro wrestling is different to regular, traditional theatre. The athleticism of pro wrestling is a vital part of the genre; the adjective (which is well sourced, mind) illustrates that. |
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I had not looked at Professional Wrestling Wiki section for an extremely long time, and I came across the theater language. I was going to change it from theater to "Athletic Exhibition" but decided that I may be accused of starting an editing war due to it being an opinion or personal distaste. The word exhibition has been used for years to describe Professional Wrestling in the context of being a sport, but with predetermined outcomes. Can we vote to change it? [[User:Cmy869|Cmy869]] ([[User talk:Cmy869|talk]]) 21:27, 20 September 2023 (UTC) |
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:Respectfully, I think it's time to drop this. There was a lot discussion over this one word previously, and you've edit warred to remove it more recently. It's an accurate adjective – why does this one word vex you this much? I would not be the first person to mention [[WP:OWN]]. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>]])''</sup> 11:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC) |
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:Theatre in the traditional sense is not athletic. Wrestling being a heavily athletic form of theatre makes it unique in the world of theatre, and thus warrants the elaboration. You "accepting" something is grand, and certainly not the aim of anyone's editing. You do not own the article. Perhaps spend some time editing other articles rather than terrorizing the editors who contribute to this one -- as if your approval is needed in order to let an edit remain. It absolutely is not. Cheers! [[User:4theloveofallthings|4theloveofallthings]] ([[User talk:4theloveofallthings|talk]]) 20:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC) |
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== Not a wrestling guy, but I think there might be an error in the article? == |
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:I '''oppose'''. An exhibition is just a staged match, but pro wrestling these days also has characters and storylines. It's theater. [[User:Kurzon|Kurzon]] ([[User talk:Kurzon|talk]]) 06:40, 21 September 2023 (UTC) |
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::but its not talking about storylines promos or anything its just talking about the sport pro wrestling its gotta be changed [[Special:Contributions/2603:B068:10A0:0:C942:A80E:578C:227C|2603:B068:10A0:0:C942:A80E:578C:227C]] ([[User talk:2603:B068:10A0:0:C942:A80E:578C:227C|talk]]) 19:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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Under Countout: "In some promotions (and most major modern ones), Championships are depicted as being permitted to change hands via a countout, unless the on-screen authority declares it for at least one match, although in others, championships may change hands via countout." |
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== Notable People == |
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To me, this reads like you're missing a "not" after "depicted as"? I don't know enough about wrestling to feel confident changing it, though. [[User:Vtipoman|Vtipoman]] ([[User talk:Vtipoman|talk]]) 18:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC) |
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== Incomplete history section == |
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scripted athletic exhibition is better and desribes it better so dont change it until you comment here with why it should be changed then change it then ill see it so i determine if i should revert it or not [[User:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life]] ([[User talk:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|talk]]) 22:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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The history tab ends with the death of WCW. It should have made some mention, even a small one, of ECW given that they were the third national promotion at this time. It should also continue on to discuss the modern era of professional wrestling, especially the emergence of TNA and AEW [[Special:Contributions/174.92.68.241|174.92.68.241]] ([[User talk:174.92.68.241|talk]]) 18:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::i see it but i personally dont agree if we could sit and talk on this subject you could tell me why theater describes it better then scripted athletic exhibition (i will not change it until we are done talking if i change it at all [[User:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life]] ([[User talk:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|talk]]) 23:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::and now im only gonna change it to get your attention in about 5 mins but im only gonna do it to get your attention no disrespect [[User:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life]] ([[User talk:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|talk]]) 23:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::Making the same change will not work. You need to get people to agree, here on the talk page. Repeating the same edits will just get you blocked. [[User:MrOllie|MrOllie]] ([[User talk:MrOllie|talk]]) 23:25, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::ok but can we still talk on why theater is better wording to describe pro wrestling then scripted athletic exhibition any one can reply [[User:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life]] ([[User talk:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|talk]]) 23:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::It's supported by reliable sourcing, which is how Wikipedia works. We don't form wording on our own opinion, but on what other sources say. Also I'd advise you not to change it to get people's attention, [[WP:POINT|it's considered disruptive]] — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>]])''</sup> 23:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::im sorry i just started and i really wanna know why theatre is better wording then scripted athletic exhibition im sorry ive only made 10 edits im sorry im depressed and i just wanna end it im sorry im stupid im sorry im an idiot im sorry. [[User:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life]] ([[User talk:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|talk]]) 23:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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::::::::It's fine. I'd just advise you to read [[WP:RS]] and [[WP:CONSENSUS]]. We've arrived at the current wording after long discussions around what the sources say, which is athletic theatre. — '''[[User:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">Czello</i>]]''' <sup>''([[User talk:Czello|<i style="color:#8000FF">music</i>]])''</sup> 23:59, 17 November 2023 (UTC) |
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:::::::::ok ill leave it [[User:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life]] ([[User talk:Tupac Shakur Thug Life 4Life|talk]]) 00:17, 18 November 2023 (UTC) |
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== The Injuries and fatalities section is fallacious. == |
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The injuries and fatalities section seems misnamed. The title implies people have died either in the ring or as a result of professional wrestling. It cites the fact that Dusty Rhodes, Jimmy Snuka, Ultimate Warrior and Andre the Giantall died within 30 years of Wrestlemania 1990. Post hoc ergo propter hoc. If they died as a result of wrestling, the article in its current form doesn’t show it. [[Special:Contributions/181.197.116.50|181.197.116.50]] ([[User talk:181.197.116.50|talk]]) 10:55, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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: I considered removing that paragraph, but I let it remain in the hope that I could find scholarly sources supporting a link between wrestling and premature mortality. — <b>[[User:BillHPike|BillHPike]]</b> <small>([[User talk:BillHPike|talk]], [[Special:contribs/BillHPike|contribs]])</small> 11:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC) |
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"Atheltic theatre"
[edit]In an earlier discussion, I accepted that the adjective "athletic" could apply to professional wrestling as a type of theatre if you stretch the definition a little, but do we really need that word there? It's fairly obvious, and little superfluous. Kurzon (talk) 05:45, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it's superfluous – it illustrates why pro wrestling is different to regular, traditional theatre. The athleticism of pro wrestling is a vital part of the genre; the adjective (which is well sourced, mind) illustrates that.
- Respectfully, I think it's time to drop this. There was a lot discussion over this one word previously, and you've edit warred to remove it more recently. It's an accurate adjective – why does this one word vex you this much? I would not be the first person to mention WP:OWN. — Czello (music) 11:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)
- Theatre in the traditional sense is not athletic. Wrestling being a heavily athletic form of theatre makes it unique in the world of theatre, and thus warrants the elaboration. You "accepting" something is grand, and certainly not the aim of anyone's editing. You do not own the article. Perhaps spend some time editing other articles rather than terrorizing the editors who contribute to this one -- as if your approval is needed in order to let an edit remain. It absolutely is not. Cheers! 4theloveofallthings (talk) 20:18, 25 February 2024 (UTC)
Not a wrestling guy, but I think there might be an error in the article?
[edit]Under Countout: "In some promotions (and most major modern ones), Championships are depicted as being permitted to change hands via a countout, unless the on-screen authority declares it for at least one match, although in others, championships may change hands via countout."
To me, this reads like you're missing a "not" after "depicted as"? I don't know enough about wrestling to feel confident changing it, though. Vtipoman (talk) 18:01, 20 May 2024 (UTC)
- You're completely right. I've fixed this but rewritten most of the paragraph to improve the language. — Czello (music) 07:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC)
"Pkiro Wrokestling" listed at Redirects for discussion
[edit]The redirect Pkiro Wrokestling has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 June 14 § Pkiro Wrokestling until a consensus is reached. Dsuke1998AEOS (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
Incomplete history section
[edit]The history tab ends with the death of WCW. It should have made some mention, even a small one, of ECW given that they were the third national promotion at this time. It should also continue on to discuss the modern era of professional wrestling, especially the emergence of TNA and AEW 174.92.68.241 (talk) 18:23, 27 December 2024 (UTC)