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Someone recently changed the Wikimedia Commons image of the generations to have Generation Alpha start in 2013. It does make sense, if Generation Z ends in 2012. - Sebbog13 (talk) 13:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no official consensus for when Gen Alpha begins. It says as much in the date range section. The image is prematurely edited. 108.26.228.105 (talk) 17:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesnt; it ends in 2010. 206.57.152.111 (talk) 14:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no it beg. in 2010 206.57.152.111 (talk) 14:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There isn't an official consensus, but the most frequently cited range for Gen Alpha is 2010-2024. I believe this should be reflected in the article's lede. 108.26.228.105 (talk) 19:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

agree Mo1StCrtiKAL12 (talk) 21:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to remind everyone that the introduction is not the "lede" (please see MOS:NOTLEDE). Nerd271 (talk) 06:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We should probably update the information since some of it goes back to 2017 and 2019. I think on Wikipedia we should have more recent information. Quahog Eater (talk) 07:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Figure with greek alphabet

What's the point of adding a figure with the greek alphabet? 151.68.228.253 (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It makes the generations easier to identify by a codename - OpalYosutebito (talk) 16:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OpalYosutebito, I think you're misunderstanding the question. This is about the graphic with the Greek alphabet below the infobox.

There is no point to it. This has been brought up at least twice before (1, 2), and no argument in favor has been given. I'm going to remove the image. Dan Bloch (talk) 17:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok - OpalYosutebito (talk) 17:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Gen beta ==
+== Image change ==
-Its coming, we should update this page. And make a new article for and also make a link to it. [[User:BallOfHappiness|BallOfHappiness]] ([[User talk:BallOfHappiness|talk]]) 15:11, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
+Someone recently changed the Wikimedia Commons image of the generations to have Generation Alpha start in 2013. It does make sense, if Generation Z ends in 2012. - [[User:Sebbog13|Sebbog13]] ([[User talk:Sebbog13|talk]]) 13:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)
-:This was discussed about six months and the Gen Beta article was deleted as [[WP:TOOSOON]].  It's probably still too soon.  See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Generation_Beta discussion] for details. [[User:Danbloch|Dan Bloch]] ([[User talk:Danbloch|talk]]) 15:21, 27 August 2024 (UTC)
+:There is no official consensus for when Gen Alpha begins. It says as much in the date range section. The image is prematurely edited. [[Special:Contributions/108.26.228.105|108.26.228.105]] ([[User talk:108.26.228.105|talk]]) 17:44, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
+:No it doesnt; it ends in 2010. [[Special:Contributions/206.57.152.111|206.57.152.111]] ([[User talk:206.57.152.111|talk]]) 14:18, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
+::no it beg. in 2010 [[Special:Contributions/206.57.152.111|206.57.152.111]] ([[User talk:206.57.152.111|talk]]) 14:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
+::There isn't an official consensus, but the most frequently cited range for Gen Alpha is 2010-2024. I believe this should be reflected in the article's lede. [[Special:Contributions/108.26.228.105|108.26.228.105]] ([[User talk:108.26.228.105|talk]]) 19:33, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
+:::agree [[User:Mo1StCrtiKAL12|Mo1StCrtiKAL12]] ([[User talk:Mo1StCrtiKAL12|talk]]) 21:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
+::::I'd like to remind everyone that the introduction is not the "lede" (please see [[MOS:NOTLEDE]]). [[User:Nerd271|Nerd271]] ([[User talk:Nerd271|talk]]) 06:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
+:::::We should probably update the information since some of it goes back to 2017 and 2019. I think on Wikipedia we should have more recent information. [[User:The Clam Chowder Man|Quahog Eater]] ([[User talk:The Clam Chowder Man|talk]]) 07:21, 21 December 2024 (UTC)
+== Figure with greek alphabet ==
-== Starting and ending points of Gen Alpha? ==
+What's the point of adding a figure with the greek alphabet? [[Special:Contributions/151.68.228.253|151.68.228.253]] ([[User talk:151.68.228.253|talk]]) 16:29, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
-The starting and ending points of Gen Alpha are still a heavily debated topic, don't you think we should be more neutral and ambiguous about it and specifically specify that it is a debated topic so the reader should take the alleged starting and ending points of Gen Alpha with some grains of salt? The page also seems to imply that people seem to unaminously agree that Gen Alpha starts in the early 2010s however I've seen various people all over the internet insist that it starts in the late 2010s or even the early 2020s, so I think it's still too early and we should be more ambiguous about it.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/39.60.192.7|39.60.192.7]] ([[User talk:39.60.192.7#top|talk]]) 03:12, 1 September 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+:It makes the generations easier to identify by a codename - [[User:OpalYosutebito|OpalYosutebito]] ([[User talk:OpalYosutebito|talk]]) 16:34, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
-:"various people all over the internet" are not a reliable source. Wikipedia articles are supposed to be an emergent set of information from the sources they cite, which should be [[WP:VERIFIABLE]] and [[WP:RELIABLE]]. If you see the various Internet people insist something in an academic journal, or one of them is an esteemed sociologist, or something like that, feel free to provide links. If there is an issue with how one of the article's current sources presents the issue, then feel free to write to the editor of that publication with your grievances. [[User:Komonzia|Komonzia]] ([[User talk:Komonzia|talk]]) 04:54, 1 September 2024 (UTC)
+::OpalYosutebito, I think you're misunderstanding the question.  This is about the graphic with the Greek alphabet below the infobox.
-:The definitions for the most recent Generations shifted quite a bit in the last 10-15 years.
+::There is no point to it.  This has been brought up at least twice before ([[Talk:Generation_Alpha/Archive_1#Greek_alphabet_graphic|1]], [[Talk:Generation_Alpha/Archive_1#Remove_Greek_Alphabet_image?|2]]), and no argument in favor has been given.  I'm going to remove the image. [[User:Danbloch|Dan Bloch]] ([[User talk:Danbloch|talk]]) 17:17, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
-:Go back a decade and Gen Z was considered 2005-2020, with Gen Alpha being the upcoming generation supposed to start in 2020. (The end point of Gen X was also slightly earlier). Meanwhile nowadays we generally consider Gen Z to be 1996-2010, a pretty significant shift. Gen Alpha had already started by the current definition back in the early 2010s when people still thought it was upcoming.
+:::Ok - [[User:OpalYosutebito|OpalYosutebito]] ([[User talk:OpalYosutebito|talk]]) 17:31, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
-:There's been a couple of reasons cited (internet and tech progressing faster making kids just a few years a part widely different in the 2010 space, and Gen Beta might start earlier than expected due to the dramatic changes caused by the pandemic), but even today a ton of Gen Z people really don't like the current definition. Not that the old one was perfect either, but the new old Gen Z (1996-2004, previously considered Millenials) has pretty drastic differences from the new late Gen Z(2004-2010, now late Gen Z, previously considered the first half before Alpha got bumped up). Some people want the old definition back, some people feel it should be partitioned between Millenials and Alpha completely, some feel Gen Z should be a short generation (2002-2012) covering that middle area with the earlier years lumped backwards.
-:It's just inherently messy as a lot of people were working with year rules initially that generally lined up fine in the 20th century that now seem too broad due to faster changes, and some things are being changed post-haste in a half assed way.
-:Sort of like how there's a Generation of Video Game consoles that just wasn't counted when the system was invented in the 7th generation (Lost Generation/2.5 Generation, consoles within are split between 2nd and 3rd Gen on Wikipedia. Includes the Colecovision, Atari 5200, Vectrex, and Sega SG-1000) and now that it's pretty clear it existed no one wants to change it because changing the number order would fuck up a ton of modern articles and vernacular.  [[Special:Contributions/2604:3D09:1F80:1EC5:B1FB:61C8:4D7F:4713|2604:3D09:1F80:1EC5:B1FB:61C8:4D7F:4713]] ([[User talk:2604:3D09:1F80:1EC5:B1FB:61C8:4D7F:4713|talk]]) 18:45, 19 September 2024 (UTC)
-== Erm ==
-Erm, how is there no mention of the, [[Skibidi Toilet|you know]], on this page? [[Special:Contributions/72.27.26.133|72.27.26.133]] ([[User talk:72.27.26.133|talk]]) 18:10, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
-:Becuase there's no reason to add it??? [[User:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color: red; font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Babysharkboss2!!</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:Babysharkboss2|<span style="color:brown">Fuck</span>]])</sup> 19:39, 25 September 2024 (UTC)
-:Lack of reflection in reliable sources as relating to Gen Alpha. In my opinion it has been popular for only a very short amount of time, and while it might appear in your social media feed very often, that still means only a small number of Gen Alpha actually think about that. Also, I'd argue including it would make the already US-bias in this article worse.
-:The main article for [[Generation Z]] doesn't mention each and every short term social media fad either. [[User:Komonzia|Komonzia]] ([[User talk:Komonzia|talk]]) 20:34, 25 September 2024 (UTC)