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The boiling point of Aluminum is stated to be 2743 K but it should be 2793 K. |
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change: Appearance silvery gray metallic |
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Change to: Appearance shiny gray metallic [[User:VeryBigBean|VeryBigBean]] ([[User talk:VeryBigBean|talk]]) 08:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC) |
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[https://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/inchi?ID=C7429905&Mask=4#ref-1 NIST] |
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[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00503647 This paper] [[User:Seeenman|Seeenman]] ([[User talk:Seeenman|talk]]) 05:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Seeenman}} {{not done}}. That 2743 K value comes from this<ref>{{cite journal |doi= 10.1021/je1011086 |title=Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231538496 |last1=Zhang |first1=Yiming |last2=Evans |first2=Julian R. G. |last3=Yang |first3=Shoufeng |journal=J. Chem. Eng. Data |year=2011 |volume=56 |issue=2 |pages=328–337}}</ref>, which is newer (2011) than the sources you given (1987–1988). --[[User:Nucleus hydro elemon|Nucleus hydro elemon]] ([[User talk:Nucleus hydro elemon|talk]]) 15:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::Ah thanks. Perhaps that could be added as a reference on the page? Something like |
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::2743 K (2470 °C, 4478 °F)<ref>{{cite journal |doi= 10.1021/je1011086 |title=Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231538496 |last1=Zhang |first1=Yiming |last2=Evans |first2=Julian R. G. |last3=Yang |first3=Shoufeng |journal=J. Chem. Eng. Data |year=2011 |volume=56 |issue=2 |pages=328–337}}</ref> [[User:Seeenman|Seeenman]] ([[User talk:Seeenman|talk]]) 16:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:::{{done}} [[User:Nucleus hydro elemon|Nucleus hydro elemon]] ([[User talk:Nucleus hydro elemon|talk]]) 22:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC) |
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::::Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/169.233.202.227|169.233.202.227]] ([[User talk:169.233.202.227|talk]]) 22:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC) |
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:I'm not sure. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Zinc&diff=prev&oldid=1115204208&diffmode=source Here] at [[zinc]] the same edit was made. But IMO a "[[Silver (color)]]" is not exactly [[silver]] itself, and a good & acceptable way to describe the color/shine. [[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 09:46, 10 October 2022 (UTC) |
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::As well as I know it, aluminium is rare in its ability to look silvery as a fine powder. That is, you can make a paint out of it that looks silvery. Others look dark gray or black as a fine powder. More often, we see sheets or foils, but which one should apply here? [[User:Gah4|Gah4]] ([[User talk:Gah4|talk]]) 16:36, 10 October 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Pictogram voting comment.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Note:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> Procedurally marking [[WP:ER|edit request]] as answered as there is (albeit now stale) a discussion amonst multiple editors regarding the proposed change. —[[User:Sirdog|<span style="color:#058700">'''Sirdog'''</span> ]]([[User talk:Sirdog|talk]]) 09:40, 18 October 2022 (UTC) |
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ref name="Ullmann" does not support "[[Aluminium sulfate]] has an [[Median lethal dose|LD<sub>50</sub>]] of 6207 mg/kg (oral, mouse), which corresponds to 435 grams (about one pound) for a 70 kg (150 lb) person." I've also changed person to mouse because toxicity is different in different species. |
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<references /> [[User:Darsie42|Darsie42]] ([[User talk:Darsie42|talk]]) 10:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> {{re|Ocelots33}} What's your source for it being such a fronted ''l'' sound? —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 02:03, 6 November 2022 (UTC) |
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::https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/aluminum lists it without the /j/ sound, and the wikipedia audio sample says it without the /j/ sound. The OED lists the /j/ as optional in British English (which typically uses aluminium anyway) and does not list /j/ at all in American English https://www.oed.com/view/Entry/5898 [[User:Ocelots33|Ocelots33]] ([[User talk:Ocelots33|talk]]) 20:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:::{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Part of the problem is my native dialect is a [[yod-dropping]] dialect, so in trying to distinguish ''lj'' and ''l'', I wasn't hearing the yod sound in ''lute'' and was missing the difference. Looks like it's been done at the infobox. —'''[[User:C.Fred|C.Fred]]''' ([[User_talk:C.Fred|talk]]) 21:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC) |
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:Unfortunately this leaves us trying to imagine a 70kg mouse. Perhaps it would be better to remove the relative clause entirely. [[Special:Contributions/80.6.246.2|80.6.246.2]] ([[User talk:80.6.246.2|talk]]) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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::I agree that extrapolating cross-species without a direct cite is a problem ([[WP:OR]]). Just state the LD50 as the ref supports it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Why does the page list the British fanfic spelling as the primary spelling? The official recognized spelling is aluminum and should be recognized as such. [[Special:Contributions/73.237.36.27|73.237.36.27]] ([[User talk:73.237.36.27|talk]]) 17:34, 12 December 2022 (UTC) |
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: See FAQ [[Talk:Aluminium/Spelling |here]] --[[User:McSly|McSly]] ([[User talk:McSly|talk]]) 17:56, 12 December 2022 (UTC) |
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::Umm, because the internationally recognised spelling is 'aluminium' and only Canada and the US spell it 'aluminum'. [[User:TrevorLenab|TrevorLenab]] ([[User talk:TrevorLenab|talk]]) 13:50, 11 April 2023 (UTC) |
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In the section titled "Earth" under the natural occurrence tab it's stated that "Aluminium also occurs in seawater at a concentration of 2 μg/kg." when I went to the referenced material [33] I wasn't able to find that value. If this could be double checked and adjusted if need be, that would be great. I also got a separate average concentration of sea water as 0.42 µg/L with a standard deviation of 0.70 µg/L (or 0.41 µg/kg with a standard deviation of 0.68 µg/kg) from a more recent study in 2020.(https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/marine-science/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.00468/full#T2) These values can be found on table two and are measured in nanomoles, but should convert over. [[User:Xcl-aspiringscientist|Xcl-aspiringscientist]] ([[User talk:Xcl-aspiringscientist|talk]]) 03:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}}, cheers for doing the converting [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 09:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC) |
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[[:Aluminium]] → {{no redirect|Aluminum}} – "Aluminum" is the more common name, as shown with [https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Aluminum%2C+Aluminium&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3&case_insensitive=true this ngram]. Thoughts? [[User:Wikiexplorationandhelping|Wikiexplorationandhelping]] ([[User talk:Wikiexplorationandhelping|talk]]) 19:22, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Comment''' – While "aluminum" is definitely more common, the reason why it's located at "aluminium" is because of the IUPAC. Like, there's three elements with two region-centric names/spellings: "Alumin(i)um", "Sul[f/ph]ur", and "C(a)esium". The IUPAC established the standard that the British spelling should be used for "Alumin'''ium'''" (and "'''Caes'''ium") while the American spelling should be used for "Sul'''fur'''". Also, see [[MOS:SPELLING]]. <small>[[User:Paintspot|Paintspot Infez]] ([[User talk:Paintspot|talk]])</small> 21:13, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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Is it sold in England? If so, which way do they label it? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC) |
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*'''Don't move''' This is a english-american spelling difference. Whichever whichever dialect has more prominence is always going to win the "more common" criterion. If that was sufficient argument for a move on its own the entire wiki would use American spelling sooner or later. I don't believe that's what policy prescribes. --[[User:Licks-rocks|Licks-rocks]] ([[User talk:Licks-rocks#top|talk]]) 21:19, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per [[MOS:ENGVAR]] / [[MOS:RETAIN]] / [[User:Licks-rocks|Licks-rocks]] / [[Talk:Aluminium/Spelling]]. — [[User:BarrelProof|BarrelProof]] ([[User talk:BarrelProof|talk]]) 22:14, 14 April 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' A compromise has been already hashed out at IUPAC and elsewhere long before Wikipedia existed. Attempting to defy it to restart the debate from scratch is not worth anyone's time. — ''Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung'', ''[[User:Mellohi!|mello]]'''''[[User talk:Mellohi!|hi!]]''' ([[Special:Contributions/Mellohi!|投稿]]) 03:21, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong oppose''' per others. It's not an American element. See [[WP:ALUM]] for the clearly-specified WP standard based on [[IUPAC]] authority. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 03:37, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' per [[WP:ALUM]] (=MOS): IUPAC-defined spelling in chemical usage. -[[User:DePiep|DePiep]] ([[User talk:DePiep|talk]]) 05:25, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' per [[WP:ALUM]]. <b>[[User talk:Praseodymium-141|<span style="color:#028A0F"><sup>141</sup></span>]][[User:Praseodymium-141|<span style="color:#A32CC4">Pr</span>]] {[[Special:Contributions/Praseodymium-141|contribs]]}</b> 07:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' per [[WP:ALUM]] per all the previous history. [[User:In ictu oculi|In ictu oculi]] ([[User talk:In ictu oculi|talk]]) 08:08, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Oppose''' - I think both me and future contributors to this RM will agree with the above points given here, especially I also agree with the [[WP:ALUM]] text given. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) ([[Special:Contribs/Iggy the Swan|Contribs]]) 12:19, 15 April 2023 (UTC) |
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The boiling point of Aluminum is stated to be 2743 K but it should be 2793 K. Sources: NIST This paper Seeenman (talk) 05:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Seeenman: Not done. That 2743 K value comes from this[1], which is newer (2011) than the sources you given (1987–1988). --Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
- Ah thanks. Perhaps that could be added as a reference on the page? Something like
- 2743 K (2470 °C, 4478 °F)[2] Seeenman (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
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- ^ Zhang, Yiming; Evans, Julian R. G.; Yang, Shoufeng (2011). "Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks". J. Chem. Eng. Data. 56 (2): 328–337. doi:10.1021/je1011086.
- ^ Zhang, Yiming; Evans, Julian R. G.; Yang, Shoufeng (2011). "Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks". J. Chem. Eng. Data. 56 (2): 328–337. doi:10.1021/je1011086.
reference removed, mouse≠person
ref name="Ullmann" does not support "Aluminium sulfate has an LD50 of 6207 mg/kg (oral, mouse), which corresponds to 435 grams (about one pound) for a 70 kg (150 lb) person." I've also changed person to mouse because toxicity is different in different species.
Darsie42 (talk) 10:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
- Unfortunately this leaves us trying to imagine a 70kg mouse. Perhaps it would be better to remove the relative clause entirely. 80.6.246.2 (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
- I agree that extrapolating cross-species without a direct cite is a problem (WP:OR). Just state the LD50 as the ref supports it. DMacks (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
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In the section titled "Earth" under the natural occurrence tab it's stated that "Aluminium also occurs in seawater at a concentration of 2 μg/kg." when I went to the referenced material [33] I wasn't able to find that value. If this could be double checked and adjusted if need be, that would be great. I also got a separate average concentration of sea water as 0.42 µg/L with a standard deviation of 0.70 µg/L (or 0.41 µg/kg with a standard deviation of 0.68 µg/kg) from a more recent study in 2020.(https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/marine-science/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.00468/full#T2) These values can be found on table two and are measured in nanomoles, but should convert over. Xcl-aspiringscientist (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- Done, cheers for doing the converting Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 09:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
Is it sold in England? If so, which way do they label it? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
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