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Chemistry	6,381	22,978
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See also	357	357
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References	30	30
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The boiling point of Aluminum is stated to be 2743 K but it should be 2793 K. Sources: NIST This paper Seeenman (talk) 05:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Seeenman:

Not done. That 2743 K value comes from this^[1], which is newer (2011) than the sources you given (1987–1988). --Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 15:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ah thanks. Perhaps that could be added as a reference on the page? Something like

2743 K (2470 °C, 4478 °F)^[2] Seeenman (talk) 16:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Nucleus hydro elemon (talk) 22:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! 169.233.202.227 (talk) 22:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Zhang, Yiming; Evans, Julian R. G.; Yang, Shoufeng (2011). "Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks". J. Chem. Eng. Data. 56 (2): 328–337. doi:10.1021/je1011086.
^ Zhang, Yiming; Evans, Julian R. G.; Yang, Shoufeng (2011). "Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks". J. Chem. Eng. Data. 56 (2): 328–337. doi:10.1021/je1011086.

reference removed, mouse≠person

ref name="Ullmann" does not support "Aluminium sulfate has an LD₅₀ of 6207 mg/kg (oral, mouse), which corresponds to 435 grams (about one pound) for a 70 kg (150 lb) person." I've also changed person to mouse because toxicity is different in different species.

Darsie42 (talk) 10:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately this leaves us trying to imagine a 70kg mouse. Perhaps it would be better to remove the relative clause entirely. 80.6.246.2 (talk) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that extrapolating cross-species without a direct cite is a problem (WP:OR). Just state the LD50 as the ref supports it. DMacks (talk) 18:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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In the section titled "Earth" under the natural occurrence tab it's stated that "Aluminium also occurs in seawater at a concentration of 2 μg/kg." when I went to the referenced material [33] I wasn't able to find that value. If this could be double checked and adjusted if need be, that would be great. I also got a separate average concentration of sea water as 0.42 µg/L with a standard deviation of 0.70 µg/L (or 0.41 µg/kg with a standard deviation of 0.68 µg/kg) from a more recent study in 2020.(https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/marine-science/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.00468/full#T2) These values can be found on table two and are measured in nanomoles, but should convert over. Xcl-aspiringscientist (talk) 03:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done, cheers for doing the converting Cmrc23 ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ 09:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reynolds Wrap

Is it sold in England? If so, which way do they label it? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Zhang, Yiming; Evans, Julian R. G.; Yang, Shoufeng (2011). "Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks". J. Chem. Eng. Data. 56 (2): 328–337. doi:10.1021/je1011086.

[2] Zhang, Yiming; Evans, Julian R. G.; Yang, Shoufeng (2011). "Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks". J. Chem. Eng. Data. 56 (2): 328–337. doi:10.1021/je1011086.

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+== Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2024 ==
-== Spellings ==
+{{edit semi-protected|Aluminium|answered=yes}}
-Do we say aluminium or aluminum? [[User:Adipy|Adipy]] ([[User talk:Adipy|talk]]) 19:26, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+The boiling point of Aluminum is stated to be 2743 K but it should be 2793 K.
-* People generally pronounce it the way it is spelt where they live (i.e. "aluminum" in the USA and sometimes in Canada, "aluminium" everywhere else). [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 19:44, 13 September 2023 (UTC)
+Sources:
+[https://webbook.nist.gov/cgi/inchi?ID=C7429905&Mask=4#ref-1 NIST]
+[https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00503647 This paper] [[User:Seeenman|Seeenman]] ([[User talk:Seeenman|talk]]) 05:02, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
+:{{ping|Seeenman}} {{not done}}. That 2743 K value comes from this<ref>{{cite journal |doi= 10.1021/je1011086 |title=Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231538496 |last1=Zhang |first1=Yiming |last2=Evans |first2=Julian R. G. |last3=Yang |first3=Shoufeng |journal=J. Chem. Eng. Data |year=2011 |volume=56 |issue=2 |pages=328–337}}</ref>, which is newer (2011) than the sources you given (1987–1988). --[[User:Nucleus hydro elemon|Nucleus hydro elemon]] ([[User talk:Nucleus hydro elemon|talk]]) 15:14, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
+::Ah thanks. Perhaps that could be added as a reference on the page? Something like
+::2743 K (2470 °C, 4478 °F)<ref>{{cite journal |doi= 10.1021/je1011086 |title=Corrected Values for Boiling Points and Enthalpies of Vaporization of Elements in Handbooks |url=https://www.researchgate.net/publication/231538496 |last1=Zhang |first1=Yiming |last2=Evans |first2=Julian R. G. |last3=Yang |first3=Shoufeng |journal=J. Chem. Eng. Data |year=2011 |volume=56 |issue=2 |pages=328–337}}</ref> [[User:Seeenman|Seeenman]] ([[User talk:Seeenman|talk]]) 16:41, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
+:::{{done}} [[User:Nucleus hydro elemon|Nucleus hydro elemon]] ([[User talk:Nucleus hydro elemon|talk]]) 22:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)
+::::Thanks! [[Special:Contributions/169.233.202.227|169.233.202.227]] ([[User talk:169.233.202.227|talk]]) 22:55, 8 August 2024 (UTC)
+{{reflist-talk}}
-Aluminum, of course.
- (Standard North American pronunciation and spelling.) (See anecdote by Isaac Asimov.)  [[User:Drsruli|Drsruli]] ([[User talk:Drsruli|talk]]) 20:20, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
+== reference removed, mouse≠person ==
-== Semi-protected edit request on 19 October 2023 ==
+ref name="Ullmann" does not support "[[Aluminium sulfate]] has an [[Median lethal dose|LD<sub>50</sub>]] of 6207 mg/kg (oral, mouse), which corresponds to 435 grams (about one pound) for a 70 kg (150 lb) person." I've also changed person to mouse because toxicity is different in different species.
-{{edit semi-protected|Aluminium|answered=yes}}
+<references /> [[User:Darsie42|Darsie42]] ([[User talk:Darsie42|talk]]) 10:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
-Change<br> > aluminum: /əˈlumənəm/
+:Unfortunately this leaves us trying to imagine a 70kg mouse.  Perhaps it would be better to remove the relative clause entirely. [[Special:Contributions/80.6.246.2|80.6.246.2]] ([[User talk:80.6.246.2|talk]]) 16:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
-to:<br> > aluminum: /əˈlu'''ː'''mənəm/
+::I agree that extrapolating cross-species without a direct cite is a problem ([[WP:OR]]). Just state the LD50 as the ref supports it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:55, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 27 November 2024 ==
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+In the section titled "Earth" under the natural occurrence tab it's stated that "Aluminium also occurs in seawater at a concentration of 2 μg/kg." when I went to the referenced material [33] I wasn't able to find that value. If this could be double checked and adjusted if need be, that would be great. I also got a separate average concentration of sea water as 0.42 µg/L with a standard deviation of 0.70 µg/L (or 0.41 µg/kg with a standard deviation of 0.68 µg/kg) from a more recent study in 2020.(https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/marine-science/articles/10.3389/fmars.2020.00468/full#T2) These values can be found on table two and are measured in nanomoles, but should convert over. [[User:Xcl-aspiringscientist|Xcl-aspiringscientist]] ([[User talk:Xcl-aspiringscientist|talk]]) 03:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
+:{{Done}}, cheers for doing the converting [[User:Cmrc23|<span style="text-shadow: -1px -1px 2px #fee6b8, 1px -1px 2px #fedd63, -1px 1px 2px #d56300, 1px 1px 2px #623804; color: #4a2a02;">'''Cmrc23''' ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ</span>]] 09:27, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
-== Reactivity of group 16 elements by chemical reaction  ==
+== [[Reynolds Wrap]] ==
-I’m student [[Special:Contributions/62.201.251.234|62.201.251.234]] ([[User talk:62.201.251.234|talk]]) 12:44, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
+Is it sold in England? If so, which way do they label it? ←[[User:Baseball Bugs|Baseball Bugs]] <sup>''[[User talk:Baseball Bugs|What's up, Doc?]]''</sup> [[Special:Contributions/Baseball_Bugs|carrots]]→ 03:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)