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==Did you know nomination== |
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The Frankford Yellowjackets and the Philadelphia Eagles are in fact a continuation of the same franchise. One day after a 13-12 victory over the Chicago Bears at Wrigley Field on October 25, 1931 (which would prove to be the franchise's last road victory over the Bears until 1999), the team suspended operations to due Depression-driven financial difficulties. They did not play at all in 1932, but on July 9, 1933, co-owners Bert Bell and Lud Wray filed new corporation papers at Philadelphia City Hall (which can be viewed on microfilm today at either City Hall or the main branch of the Free Library of Philadelphia - not sure which location they're at now) legally changing the name of the corporate entity to the Philadelphia Eagles. Therefore the Yellowjackets and Eagles ''are'' the same team in everything but name. |
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== retro unis fixed up top, image down below still wrong == |
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I know there's a lot of other things to do in the world but the wing is now correct at the top of the page (thank you) while the throwbacks down below (like the 30th picture?) are the same recolored modern decal. I think Eagles org or the NFL might appreciate the accuracy update. Thanks, |
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Well actionally |
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It's largely forgotten today but back in 1940 Art Rooney sold his Pittsburgh franchise to Alexis Thompson who wanted to move the team to Boston. Then Rooney bought a half interest in Bert Bell's Philadelphia Eagles. The league wouldn't let Thompson go to Massachsetts and Rooney didn't really want to leave Pittsburgh. So Bell-Rooney and Thompson switched franchised territories. Bert and Art brought the Eagles to Pittsburgh and renamed them the "Steelers." Meanwhile, Thompson took the Steelers to Philadelphia and renamed them "Eagles." Most of the former Philadelphia players wound up in Pittsburgh and visa-versa. As late as 1945 the Steelers were officially owned by the Philadelphia Football Club, Inc. Apparently there was some revision the next year when Bell left his partnership with Rooney to become the NFL Commissioner. To all intents and purposes, the Steelers' and Eagles' histories run continuously from 1933 when both teams entered the NFL. But technically it's Pittsburgh (1933-1940) to Philadelphia (1941-on) AND Philadelphia (1933-1940) to Pittsburgh (1941-on). Just about everybody ignores the technically correct descent, and it's probably best that they do. I mean, how convoluted do you want pro football history to be. |
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Eagles Autism Foundation [[Special:Contributions/2601:647:6512:6761:2C93:44BC:2D19:C04D|2601:647:6512:6761:2C93:44BC:2D19:C04D]] ([[User talk:2601:647:6512:6761:2C93:44BC:2D19:C04D|talk]]) 23:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC) |
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So to be constitent the yellowjackets are now the Steelers |
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== "[[:2026 Philadelphia Eagles season]]" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] == |
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The redirect <span class="plainlinks">[//en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=2026_Philadelphia_Eagles_season&redirect=no 2026 Philadelphia Eagles season]</span> has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|redirects for discussion]] to determine whether its use and function meets the [[Wikipedia:Redirect|redirect guidelines]]. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at '''{{slink|Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24#2026 Philadelphia Eagles season}}''' until a consensus is reached. <!-- Template:RFDNote --> [[User:Hey man im josh|Hey man im josh]] ([[User talk:Hey man im josh|talk]]) 18:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Franchise Record for Rushing Yards in a Game == |
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On 11/24/2024 Eagles RB Saquon Barkley rushed for 255 yards beating LeSean Mccoy's franchise record of 217 yards. So the rushing section of the franchise records needs to be updated. [https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/3929630/saquon-barkley ESPN Game log] [[User:Sadofgames|Sadofgames]] ([[User talk:Sadofgames|talk]]) 05:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC) |
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The only connection was that Bert Bell and his partners had to pay off some of the Yellow Jackets' unpaid debts. The NFL wasn't going to try to put a team in Philadelphia and get sued for the debts the Yellow Jackets had run up. |
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I recived this information from the pro football researchers association. Neither the team ( Eagles ) or league considers the two teams the same. |
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== Patriots/Protection Issue == |
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First off, thank you for protecting the page; I did not foresee much good unless someone stepped in and did something. |
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With regards to the issue itself, most of my logic has already been stated in my edit summaries, which could constitute a pretty good paragraph here; the only replies I have received are "thats nice" [sic] and "rm the soapbox". It seems like a pretty straightforward issue to me, and probably to just about anyone but an Eagles fan. The article states how, to somewhat rephrase it, the Eagles' fans rule and the Patriots' fans drool, which is not even the part that I am actually concerned about. It then goes on to state, in the same thought, how the glorious Eagles have in turn rewarded their fans for the above-mentioned super duper faithfulness by just being so much more darn glorious than everyone else for them, without mentioning the ''slightly'' relevant fact that the Patriots, for their part, have in turn gone on to win three (out of the last four) Super Bowls. That is a pretty huge fricking hole. It is also something that no one on the planet but a partisan Eagles fan would take any offense to or be bothered by, and any NFL fan but an Eagles fan would almost certainly find that to be a highly relevant fact. Wikipedia is not the place to try to point out the good and nothing but the good about your favorite teams, and the bad and nothing but the bad about teams that you do not like; that is what fan sites are for, not encyclopedias. If someone wants to stick their fingers in their ears, scream "nah nah, I can't hear you" at the top of their lungs, and delete anything they do not want to hear, they are welcome to start their own website, but I do not believe that Wikipedia should serve as such people's pulpit. |
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I should mention that I am replacing some of my hardware tomorrow, so I might not be on here for a night or, at most, two. --[[User:66.158.232.40|66.158.232.40]] 07:24, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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*I think that entire paragraph has to go. I don't see how Jeffrey Lurie's motives of buying one team over the other is actually relevant to this section. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 16:32, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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**The paragraph does seem out of place in a "Fans" section, and seems to try to covertly say 'look how glorious Eagles fans are compared to others.' Assuming the facts are actually true to start with, I think that an article on the owner himself and his purchases would be the appropriate place for it, if anywhere; this article is about the Eagles, not about their owner, his personal reason for choosing to buy that particular team, nor any previously considered purchases that he did not make. I also think that the beginning of the paragraph would be fine without the ending; the statements at the beginning, of what he bought and did not buy and the reasons and all that, can be seen as just factual stuff, but the latter part of the paragraph (where "latter part" means the last two sentences) just degenerates into blatant, I'm-not-gonna-even-attempt-to-cover-it-up fanboyism, which is what led me to temper it with the other half of the story. So I guess that gives us five options: flat out throw the paragraph away, move the first part to an article about the owner, move the entire paragraph to an article about the owner, leave the paragraph here and just remove the latter part, and leave the paragraph as it currently stands. What do you think? --[[User:66.158.232.40|66.158.232.40]] 23:05, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC) |
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It's been a couple days.. Let's give it a try unprotecting the article. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 23:13, Jun 17, 2005 (UTC) |
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==Improvement drive== |
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[[National Football League]] is currently a candidate on [[WP:IDRIVE]]. Vote for it if you are interested in contributing.--[[User:Fenice|Fenice]] 20:04, 16 August 2005 (UTC) |
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==Not to be forgotten== |
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Template made, list is getting too long. Also trying to list only pro-bowlers and widely known players, not the entire all-time roster.[[User:Gorgeousp|Gorgeousp]] 06:04, 28 October 2005 (UTC) |
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==Santa Incident== |
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I reverted [[User:Tommstein|Tommstein's]] edit on the "Santa Incident", not because I necessarily doubt that his info is accurate according to "Outside the Lines", but because nobody who missed the show can verify it. If you can find an internet source for this version of the story, then it might be worth updating (though we'd still need to verify its accuracy). The long-standing version of the incident may indeed be false, but if we're going to throw it out, I think we need some evidence. -[[User:JerryOrr|JerryOrr]] 12:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:Is there an Internet source for the old version?[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 07:39, 20 December 2005 (UTC) |
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::Possibly (though I honestly haven't looked for it), but the old version is "common knowledge". If there is not a strong source for either version, then we should either use the "common knowledge" or eliminate the section entirely. But it is not appropriate to start changing established Wikipedia content with some version that you claim to have seen on TV. [[User:JerryOrr|JerryOrr]] 12:43, 20 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::Calling it "common knowledge" ain't gonna fly. At least my version actually has a source, probably seen by millions of people, you just complain about not being able to see it yourself. Wikipedia is not here to spread urban legends. If there's no Internet source for the urban myth version, then we should reinsert the sourced one (where no, 'source' does not mean "Internet link"; never has, and never will, kind of like using books, even rare ones, as sources).[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 05:18, 21 December 2005 (UTC) |
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::::Supposedly your version has a source... but I can just as easily claim I saw an episode of "NFL Countdown" where Santa was actually [[Klaus Barbie]], and the courageous Eagles fans were trying to pelt him into submission so that he could be apprehended. My source is just as well cited as yours. Claiming to have seen it on TV ain't gonna fly. |
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::::Certainly I'm not demanding an ''Internet'' source as the only possibility; but I don't think it's unreasonable to expect ''some'' sort of cited source. Provide that first, and then it can at least be debated whether your source or the numerous other sources is correct. |
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::::And again, I'm not saying I don't believe that you saw a show with this version or that the show's version is accurate... just please cite it. Wikipedia's guidelines on [[Wikipedia:Citing sources#When_you_add_content|Citing sources]] specifically states "even if you are writing from memory, you should actively search for authoritative references to cite." [[User:JerryOrr|JerryOrr]] 12:52, 21 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::You are not immune to having to cite your sources.[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 06:40, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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::::::What sources have I not cited? The only content I've added is the "Eagles fans are often considered to be among the most passionate in professional sports" bit, which is cited just as well as your "hooligans" link. You can blame others for removing your "hooligans" link; I left it alongside mine, and I'd appreciate it if you would extend the same courtesy to me. |
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::::::And if you are referring to my only other edit (removing the "roar of the crowd" sentence), that is nothing more than uncited POV hyperbole. It adds nothing to the description of the incident; it was already stated that some Eagles fans cheered the injury, and the next sentence states the seriousness of it. You have gone through the article and removed '''many''' phrases you consider uncited, POV, or hyperbole; is it so hard to accept that you added something inapproprate yourself? --[[User:JerryOrr|JerryOrr]] 13:18, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::::I'm talking about citing that whole Santa thing. The reason your link keeps getting deleted is simply because by the time I come on here and click on "cur" to see all changes that have happened since I was here last, invariably mine is gone and just replaced by yours. It would be ridiculous to go through every single edit one by one, unless I never want to contribute to any other article. Please join me in asking the dude that keeps removing it to cease doing so. The thing about your link is, though, that it appears to be someone's copy of an old Wikipedia page. |
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:::::::About the "roar of the crowd" thing, I get you. It was originally inserted by someone else (who knows who), and it is another victim of the 13,000 changes that happen throughout the day.[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 16:39, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::::I should mention, having just looked at the article, that I find your latest version, after your three consecutive edits, to be excellent.[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 16:43, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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::::::::I'm glad we could come to an agreement. I'll support keeping both of those links (though you may be right about my link being copied from Wikipedia... I'll look into it more), and hopefully the compromise on the Santa incident will satisfy everyone. --[[User:JerryOrr|JerryOrr]] 17:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Sure man, it all sounds good to me. If I have some time later I'll see if I can find a version of the article that matches up exactly with that link. At least we know it would have to be a version after the last Super Bowl, since the link mentions it. It probably has other clues too.[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 17:45, 23 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Take a look at this version: http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Philadelphia_Eagles&oldid=12056861. Doesn't the GFDL require them to keep copyright notices or something like that?[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 19:54, 23 December 2005 (UTC) |
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==Serious Question== |
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Has Tommstein ever been to 1 ONE Eagles Home Game? |
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The guy obviously has an agenda to highlight bad fan behavior. There are SOME (1-2%) bad fans, but by far, most are there to enjoy and root their team on. Lots of families and lots of old time fans. Thanks, Tom (12/19/05) |
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:I nominate the president of the Eagles fan club to write the Fans section. Surely you'll second the nomination.[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 07:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC) |
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I like how you DIDN'T answer the question! But I already knew the answer. No, I wouldn't 2nd the nomination. What is your agenda?? Please come clean. Tom(12/20/05) |
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:Shouldn't it be obvious by now that my agenda is to help you, and I quote me, "nominate the president of the Eagles fan club to write the Fans section?" You tell me what we've got to do to make this happen, and I'm there for you.[[User:Tommstein|Tommstein]] 05:19, 21 December 2005 (UTC) |
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Only thing obvious is that you are trouble maker who has never been to Philadelphia in your life...FACT...The Linc parking lots and Paterson Ave subway station are SAFE on game days due to two facts: 1)99% of fans go to enjoy the game 2)Heavy police presence on game days. I have been to numerous games with friends who have worn the opposing teams colors without incidence. Only drunk idiots, approx 1%(that's being kind) would try anything since there is security up the ying yang AND uniformed Philly cops who don't take shit from anyone. Tom 12/21/05 |
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Did you know nomination
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was: rejected by 97198 (talk) 10:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)
- ... that fans of the Philadelphia Eagles threw snowballs at Santa Claus? Source: https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/12/penn-football-franklin-field-eagles-santa
- ALT1: ... that during the Philadelphia Eagles Santa Claus incident, Eagles fans booed Santa Claus? Source: https://www.thedp.com/article/2020/12/penn-football-franklin-field-eagles-santa
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Created by Sportsfangnome (talk). Self-nominated at 13:03, 6 July 2022 (UTC).
- Sorry, Sportsfangnome, but just as in your last nomination, none of the articles is eligible because none of them has been recently created or expanded 5x or promoted to Good Article. Please, please, please read WP:DYK, especially the section on eligibility criteria, before submitting any more nominations. MANdARAX XAЯAbИAM 14:11, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
retro unis fixed up top, image down below still wrong
[edit]I know there's a lot of other things to do in the world but the wing is now correct at the top of the page (thank you) while the throwbacks down below (like the 30th picture?) are the same recolored modern decal. I think Eagles org or the NFL might appreciate the accuracy update. Thanks,
Eagles Autism Foundation 2601:647:6512:6761:2C93:44BC:2D19:C04D (talk) 23:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
"2026 Philadelphia Eagles season" listed at Redirects for discussion
[edit]The redirect 2026 Philadelphia Eagles season has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 November 24 § 2026 Philadelphia Eagles season until a consensus is reached. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
Franchise Record for Rushing Yards in a Game
[edit]On 11/24/2024 Eagles RB Saquon Barkley rushed for 255 yards beating LeSean Mccoy's franchise record of 217 yards. So the rushing section of the franchise records needs to be updated. ESPN Game log Sadofgames (talk) 05:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
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