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== Artist Perception ==
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The ticketmaster vs artist feud cannot be understated. Pearl Jam eventually became involved in the Ticketmaster flap as a result of a series in the LA Times. Investigatie reporter [[Chuck Philips]] wrote of series of investigative articles in 1991 about Ticketmaster that revealed its monopolistic nature. These in connection with the work of long-time Washington staffer [[John Edgell]] and the help of musical group [[Pearl Jam]], who filed an anti-trust complaint, first disclosed int he LA Times, prompted Congressional hearings <ref name="Ticketmaster 1">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=Ticket Flap: What Price Convenience? : Entertainment: A host of service fees, surcharges and taxes is riling concert-goers--and lawmakers.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-17/entertainment/ca-2084_1_service-fees|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=May 17, 1991}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 2">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=chuck|title=Congress May Get Tickets Measure : Pop music: Spurred by Pearl Jam's crusade, the bill would require ticket vendors to disclose fees.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-07/entertainment/ca-29032_1_tickets-pearl-jam|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=February 7, 1995}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 3">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=Pearl Jam, Ticketmaster and Now Congress: America's biggest band sent shock waves through the music business when it filed a complaint with the Justice Department about Ticketmaster. Now, Congress is holding a hearing. How'd it all get so far?|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-30/entertainment/ca-10438_1_pearl-jam-merchandise|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=June 30 1994}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 4">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=Pearl Jam vs. Ticketmaster: Choosing Sides : Legal file: The pop music world is divided over the Seattle band's allegations, which led to a Justice Department investigation into possible anti-competitive practices in the ticket distribution industry.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-08/entertainment/ca-1864_1_pearl-jam-manager|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=June 8, 1994}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 5">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=COLUMN ONE : The Ticket King's Path to Power : As Pearl Jam just learned, Ticketmaster's Fred Rosen gets what he wants. His tactics have earned him some foes, but even critics admit he has transformed the industry. Now he's eyeing new realms.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1995-06-17/news/mn-14107_1_pearl-jam|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=June 17, 1995}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 6">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=A Tangle Over Tickets : Ticketmaster, Target of Lawsuits, Says It Offers Broad Service|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1992-06-09/entertainment/ca-136_1_ticket-service|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA." }}</ref>.
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== Corporation or Limited Liability Company? ==
The Real History of Ticketmaster Founding, from Gordon M. Gunn, III, the entrepreneur who put the whole business package together, the risk capital, the venture capital, the hardware, recruited the software and firmware developers, filed the original articles of incorporation: In 1974, Gordon Gunn was a DEC computer equipment dealer for Arizona and New Mexico. Albert Leffler's wife is the sister of Gordon's oldest friend, Norman C. Peyton, then of El Paso, Texas. Albert and his wife were living in Tempe, and Gordon was living in Phoenix, AZ, so they got together socially. Albert Leffler was an intern in Auditorium Management at Arizona State University, specifically Grady Gammage Auditorium, which was using an HP based computerized ticketing system developed by Bill Bliss. Gordon was looking for software development opportunities for DEC hardware, and Albert saw a need for an improved ticketing system. Albert had the ticketing expertise, and came up with the name TicketMaster. Over several months, Albert began writing specifications for the software, and Gordon Gunn recruited the software developer, Peter T. Gadwa, and the developer of the smart ticketing terminals Thomas W. Hart, Jr. Peter and Tom both were amenable to working "on the come" as there was no capital. Peter Gadwa was a grad student in computer science at ASU, and was introduced to Gordon by the department head who (ASU) also was a DEC hardware customer of Gordon's. Gordon set out to find risk capital, then venture capital. The risk capital came from Lester Bernstein, a retired retail merchant from Rhode Island. Lester's money paid for the development computer and some small expenses. Gordon continued to search for venture capital, and over a 6 month period found Charles H. Hamby, Jr., a semi-retired CEO whose company was Computer Mailing Consultants of America (CMCA), who lived in Phoenix. Charles Hamby recruited two other wealthy friends of his, Jerry Nelson and Cecil Crawford to share the venture, and it was incorporated as TicketMaster Corporation in Arizona in 1976. The founders were divided into "founders" and "financiers." The founders group were: Gordon M. Gunn, III, Albert I. Leffler, Peter T. Gadwa, and Thomas W. Hart, Jr. The financier group was Charles H. Hamby, Jr., Cecil Crawford, and Jerry Nelson. The financiers held 80% of the stock, and the founders collectively held 20%. Lester Bernstein was bought out at par by the financiers. The original officers and directors were Charles Hamby, President and CEO, Gordon M. Gunn, III Executive Vice President and COO, and Cecil Crawford, Treasurer. Al Leffler, Pete Gadwa and Tom Hart were listed as V.P.'s and directors. By that time, Peter had finished a working software package, and Tom Hart had finished the intelligent ticketing terminals and Dian ticket printers. The first commercial system was installed in Albuquerque, New Mexico in 1976, and the first commercial ticket ever sold by TicketMaster was to an Electric Light Orchestra (ELO) concert at Johnson Gymnasium at the University of New Mexico. That ticket was purchased by Gordon M. Gunn, III, is still owned by him, and is not for sale. The second community served was El Paso, Texas using a dedicated telephone line from the El Paso terminals to the computer in Albuquerque. Gordon began marketing in Houston and New Orleans, forging parterships with D. H. Holmes and Foley's Department Stores, but was forced out of the company before they were installed. A rift with the financiers early in 1977 forced Gordon Gunn and Tom Hart out of the corporation, as the financier group became woefully undercapitalized and unable to fulfill their verbal commitment to the founders group. Al Leffler and Pete Gadwa managed to stay on as employees, and the original financier group managed to find an angel in 1978, Jay Pritzker of Chicago, who bought everybody out. Al Leffler and Pete Gadwa apparently lost their original equity, but both made satisfactory arrangements with the new owners and stayed on for the duration. Al Leffler holds employee badge number 1, and at last report was still with the company. All this can be verified by Albert Leffler, Peter Gadwa, and Tom Hart, all are current residents of Arizona. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Gordon Gunn|Gordon Gunn]] ([[User talk:Gordon Gunn|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Gordon Gunn|contribs]]) 05:18, 22 March 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


What is Ticketmaster? A corporation or a company? The article lists that it is a corporation at the start but then the infobox lists it as an LLC? What is it's legal name ending? [[User:WiinterU|WiinterU]] ([[User talk:WiinterU|talk]]) 02:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)


== Geen code ==


Ik krijg nooit geen code op mijn gsm om verder te gaan [[Special:Contributions/94.109.109.96|94.109.109.96]] ([[User talk:94.109.109.96|talk]]) 10:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
I can confirm the details provided by Gordon Gunn (I presume "III") are consistent with stories I was told by Pete Gadwa and Albert Leffler circa 1984 and 1985 while employed by them at Ticketmaster up to the point in the story of Jay Prizker buying everyone out. That buyout was closer to 1982; there was an interim period where TicketMaster expanded operations into additional cities, including the Superdome in New Orleans. Pritzker, I believe (but this needs to be confirmed by others) owned the foodservice operation at the Superdome. It was through this linkage (circa 1978 or 79) he became aware of Ticketmaster and initially made an investment into to the firm. It was later (circa 1982) when it looked as though his investment was going bad that he made the decision, on the advice of a lawyer in his employ named Fred Rosen, to go all in and buy the company. Rosen was put in charge of it at that time. Leffler is still with Ticketmaster working out of their Phoenix office. Gadwa is retired and living in VA the last I spoke with him (more recent than Gunn's information.)


== Coronation Concert Tickets controversies ==
== History ==
I would love to see a History of the Beginnings and the Expansion of Ticketmaster. After all... they did not completely fill a void.... there were many local ticket agencies across the country... and then they somehow all became Ticketmaster....[[User:Truth4Sale|Truth4Sale]] 05:56, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


"as a result many people booked hotels or the day off work"
Good history information. http://www.fundinguniverse.com/company-histories/Ticketmaster-Group-Inc-Company-History.html [[Special:Contributions/24.251.93.91|24.251.93.91]] ([[User talk:24.251.93.91|talk]]) 07:20, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
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Is this supposed to say "or took the day off work"? [[Special:Contributions/216.243.58.119|216.243.58.119]] ([[User talk:216.243.58.119|talk]]) 20:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
Some of that history info in the link above is wrong. For example, it says:

<blockquote>Ticketmaster was started by two Arizona State University students who were looking for a solution to a problem they encountered when buying concert tickets. At the time, the buyer of a ticket was forced to select from the seats that had been allotted to the particular vendor from whom he or she was purchasing the ticket. If the vendor was nearly sold out, the buyer might be forced to buy bad seats even though better seats were available through other ticket sellers. Melees occasionally erupted when ticket buyers, after standing in line for hours at one place, found that the vendor was sold out or that better seats were available elsewhere. The system also was inefficient for promoters and owners of venues, who often had difficulty selling all of their tickets, despite unmet demand.</blockquote>

This is just incorrect. It was founded by Albert Leffler, then the Box Office Manager at Gammage Auditorium on the ASU campus (he was not a student there); Peter Gadwa, a graduate student in Computer Science, and Gordon ??? (name escapes me now), who put up the initial funding. [Source: personal conversation with Gadwa and Leffler over the years.] The problem statement made, though, is essentially correct. Those are the problems the system was intended to solve. I think this happened earlier than 1978, but am hazy on the dates now.

Further, initial solution did not network several computers (as stated), the solution was built on a DEC PDP with dumb terminals. Note that this was not the birth of computerized ticketing, as the article states, Ticketron, Select-A-Seat, and BASS all already existed.

That article also mistates (or mis-emphasizes) Ticketmaster's competitive advantage in the 1980s and therefore misrepresents why it succeeded over Ticketron and others. In short, TM has both a more efficient hardware/software platform and a more aggressive marketing strategy. It was the combination of the two that fueled the company's growth; probably both were necessary for the company to have succeeded in the marketplace as it did. [[User:dmittleman]] 19 May 2009

== Front page ==
I think this should be on the front page.--[[User:75.55.13.78|75.55.13.78]] 00:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

In writing that article I attempted to be neutral, which wasn't too hard since I'm a capitalist at heart but hate Ticketmaster. Does anybody have any ideas how one could bring about the downfall of 30% markups? I don't care if Ticketmaster survives or not. --[[User:Rlschuh|rs2]] 04:34, 23 Mar 2004 (UTC)

:There should be more critcism about TM. Like how ticket brokers can obtain codes to TM sales so that they block out people from purchasing blocks of tix during a general sale. TM does little to nothing to stop these middlemen....--[[User:Madchester|Madchester]] 20:25, 2005 Jun 1 (UTC)

::I have to add my opinion here and state that this looks like almost like a yearly report for TicketMaster. Yes, I hate them too, but also agree that NPOV is necessary, but this is just corporate gloss as if it came directly from their website. Of course, I don't know if people would invest time in an article regarding a corporation that they ostensibly dislike... Opinions? Seconds? Refutations? --[[User:Sirimiri|Sirimiri]] 00:22, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

:::I added a link to a page that criticizes TicketMaster.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 20:44, 14 January 2006 (UTC)


Where is the history of Ticketmasters? who are the founders? those are simply questions, but I cannot find any info about.
Right now, the only logical conclusion is that Ticketmaster is cover for the Mob, who collects 'fees' on everything. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.190.32.200|67.190.32.200]] ([[User talk:67.190.32.200|talk]]) 04:16, 11 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Auctioning ==

Ticketmaster has a new auctioning service now.
Buy a ticket, auction it back for profit.
Basically, this is legalized scalping...
Oh, and TM takes tons of money off of it of course. For example, you list a ticket for $700, TM sells it for $850, and pays you $620.

Don't forget the good ol' practice of simply not having many tickets available when things go on sale, because they reserve them all for themselves and their buddies to scalp. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.185.183.229|70.185.183.229]] ([[User talk:70.185.183.229|talk]]) 07:31, 13 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The auction process has nothing to do with people buying tickets and then TM auctioning them off for them. An auction happens when an event client decides they want to sell a special ticket that can somtimes also include things like a meet and greet or give a part of the auction proceeds to charity or something else. As far as "holding back" tickets that is something that you need to take up with the event client also since they are the ones that decide when and how tickets are distributed. If they choose to do some kind of password protected pre-sale that is their choice since the tickets belong to the event client and not TM. TM is only the agent that is hired by the event client to sell the tickets and has no control over when and how tickets are distributed. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.67.104.106|24.67.104.106]] ([[User talk:24.67.104.106|talk]]) 11:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Perspective ==

I think a lot of people have a negative perception of Ticketmaster due to the Pearl Jam lawsuit. If tickets are available at the venue, there is generally no service charge. If you want to sit at home and call or order online, you have to pay to use the service. You are not required to pay that charge, it is a literal convenience charge for not having to leave you house, spend gas and time, as well as go only when the box office is open. It is completely unfair to criticize Ticketmaster for providing a service, and providing it well, and asking for compensation.[[User:12.211.107.206|12.211.107.206]] 20:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)dellis

"If you want to sit at home and call or order online, you have to pay to use the service. You are not required to pay that charge, it is a literal convenience charge for not having to leave you house, spend gas and time, as well as go only when the box office is open." - Even if you drive to a ticketmaster outlet they still charge a $9 "Convenience Charge." Where does the convenient part come in? How can you stick up for these people? they're just middlemen that scrape profits off the top of mark-up prices

:If I choose to buy tickets online from TM I get no choice over where I want to sit, and pretty much perform the sale from start to finish by myself. The phone isn't much better. This ''only'' costs me about $10 per ticket usually. Or, I can go to a venue box office and get ''customer service'' - that is, I can select where I want to sit and be assisted by an actual person - and this costs me about $0 per ticket. Clearly, this second option shows that the cost of selling a ticket is already factored into the ticket price. Not only that, but it is really hard to see how TM could have higher costs per ticket sold than a venue box office. What happened to economies of scale? Ticketmaster started off providing service, but now they seem to simply charge fees ''as though'' they were providing a service. [[User:Musser|Musser]] 20:13, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

::Ticketmaster's prices don't reflect their costs, they reflect market conditions. In particular, Ticketmaster has no competitive pressure to lower prices or to innovate (i.e. to allow users to choose seats). —[[User:Fleminra|Fleminra]] 23:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

:: "the cost of selling a ticket is already factored into the ticket price", haha, so TM should operate their business with no charges at all?? they don't own the venue you know. Ticketmaster's biggest service isn't selling tickets its acting as the whipping boy of the entertainment world. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:209.222.60.122|209.222.60.122]] ([[User talk:209.222.60.122|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/209.222.60.122|contribs]]) 17:49, February 2, 2006.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

:: The problem is their "convienience charge" is based on a percentage and not a flat rate. Why does it cost $5 more for a $40 ticket vs a $30 one at the same show?[[User:24.94.95.3|24.94.95.3]] 23:02, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

:::The venue already pays the cost of selling the ticket by paying box office staff, and it builds that cost into the venue fee, so why not build Ticketmaster's costs into the venue fee? Analogy to VISA and MasterCard, which managed to make their cards more desirable by requiring merchants to include merchant fees into the prices of goods and services instead of including them as a surcharge. --[[user:Damian Yerrick|Damian Yerrick]] ([[user talk:Damian Yerrick|☎]]) 16:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:This isn't entirely true. I have, in many cases, been required to pay a service charge for purchasing tickets directly from the box office. Typically this is for venues which are also owned by ticket vendors such as LiveNation. In many other cases there is simply no other way to purchase tickets. For example when the Smashing Pumpkins played their recent tour tickets were exclusively available from Ticketmaster and had to be ordered online with a service fee attached. When no alternative is provided there isn't much service being done. For the recent Outside Lands festival in San Francisco not insignificant service fees were charged even when tickets were purchased from a local box office and tickets could only be purchased with cash. Another recent incident was when a tour was canceled, but despite offering a refund on the ticket price no refund was offered for the service fee. Simply put buying from the box office is definitely not a way to avoid service fees. As for compensation with no competition for the same event there is no market pressure to keep prices to what the market will bear. It's Hobson's Choice. You either put up with the fee or you don't go. This has the further effect of forcing youth, who typically have little money, out of being able to afford concerts when they were formerly one of the largest audience segments. [[Special:Contributions/69.181.55.239|69.181.55.239]] ([[User talk:69.181.55.239|talk]]) 12:54, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

In general, this article bears little resemblance to what one would typically associate with a reference work. There's good analysis, well thought-out criticism, but very little context or description of what Ticketmaster is. It's griping seeking the imprimatur of Wikipedia. I understand why people don't like Ticketmaster, but the answer is to found competing companies that force it to change its ways. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:ClarkTroy|ClarkTroy]] ([[User talk:ClarkTroy|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ClarkTroy|contribs]]) 14:17, May 17, 2006.</small><!-- [Template:Unsigned] -->

::I have to agree with this previous comment. Furthermore, I feel that the entertainment.com section is incorrect and possibly biased. My best guess as to what is happening with that is: (1) ticket buyers are rushing when buying tickets because they want the best available seats as soon as tickets are on sale. (2) At the end of the ticket selling transaction, Ticketmaster prompts the buyer to click on a link where they can "find out how to get $25 back" (not sure of the exact wording). (3) That link takes you to a signup for Entertainment.com. (4) People who are in a frenzied rush to complete the transaction before losing their tickets inadvertently sign up for this unwanted service. (5) People don't realize that they are signed up for entertainment.com until they get the charge on their monthly statement; sometimes they remember rejecting this service in the past, but it only takes once to sign up. Overall, this is a practice I find unethical by Ticketmaster, but it's not quite as bad as described.[[User:InsultComicDog|InsultComicDog]] 17:07, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I believe that someone needs to proofread the article and check all listed sources. One major misinformation is that Ticketmaster is able to keep a portion of the face-value charge of tickets. Ticketmaster profits only through order processing fee, convenience charges, and extra delivery charges(ie UPS or Ticketfast). I will gladly testify to this as I work in the Charleston, WV call center in an administrative department.
--[[User:206.165.139.129|206.165.139.129]] 02:52, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

This article needs a lot of work. It does not read like a reference, but more like a first draft of a negative feature on Ticketmaster. Look, we all hate paying the convenience charges and I think we can fairly debate the ethics of many of the items mentioned, but I feel the criticism should be moved to an explicit "Criticism" section and some sections linked to an Off-Wikipedia blog about its practices. To be a reference, more material should be included about the company, its profile, earnings, etc. I came to this article to try and find information about Pearl Jam taking them on, as I expected that fact to be part of the reference, but I also expect it to link me off to news articles and documents where I can decide for myself. An encyclopedia does not decide for us. I will try to help with the article in the future. [[User:cagomez|cagomez]] 16:47, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem with major misinformation in this article and about Ticketmaster in general is that Ticketmaster is very good at doing their jobs: They sell a lot of tickets, in a short amount of time, making a lot of money for their clients and doing it in a way that makes all other parties involved seem victimized. NEWSFLASH: Venues, promoters, sports teams, universities and yes, even ARTISTS, all get their cut of the dreaded "fees" that Ticketmaster charges. Everyone gets their cut based on contractual agreements. Furthermore, Ticketmaster doesn't control any ticket inventory for sale. They are merely a distributor for inventory that is provided by the client. The client (whether it is the venue, promoter or artist management) determines which tickets are "held back" and it is those individuals that you can blame for never being able to get the "good" tickets. [[Special:Contributions/24.251.93.91|24.251.93.91]] ([[User talk:24.251.93.91|talk]]) 07:05, 24 July 2008 (UTC)

== Advertisement ==

Addition of Stubhub is purely an advertisement.
--[[User:Bzstn|Bzstn]]

There's a list of competitors, SH is one, and more significant than others you haven't seen fit to remove. In other news, your only other edit, ever, was to blank the StubHub page. Odd, that. [[User:Ben-w|Ben-w]] 21:05, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

==Ticketmaster-friendly edit==
[http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ticketmaster&curid=545768&diff=96968146&oldid=94585189 This unsubstantiated Ticketmaster-friendly edit] was contributed by a Ticketmaster-owned IP address.. just for the record. —[[User:Fleminra|Fleminra]] 08:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

== Freedom of speech section ==

I removed the "freedom of speech" section because it did not cite any sources. Is there any evidence that Ticketmaster has ever attempted to prevent someone from describing an event they attended? Has there been any notable criticism of this clause in their terms of service? I agree the clause seems a bit silly, but almost definitely unenforceable. This article has a very anti-TM bias. If you must replace the section, please find appropriate sources to cite. [[User:Rhobite|Rhobite]] 00:33, 9 February 2007 (UTC)



==External link==

I'd like to add a video interview with Fred Rosen to external links. He is speaking about his background and Ticketmaster's background. [http://www.artistshousemusic.org/videos/ticketmaster+background Here is the interview.] [[User:Ammosh11|Ammosh11]] 01:12, 19 June 2007 (UTC)



==References==

I can't believe there are no sources in this document, how utterly unusable. [[User:ILoveConcerts|ILoveConcerts]] ([[User talk:ILoveConcerts|talk]]) 19:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:It is a poorly-referenced article - I invite you to contribute some useful sources on Ticketmaster. I'm not sure where you'd look other than their website though. [[User:Dcoetzee|Dcoetzee]] 20:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

::The history of Ticketmaster is tough to reference, but some of the more recent major events have been well covered. I'm thinking of course about the Hannah Montana vs. Scalpers debate; the issues with the Colorado Rockies ticketing system crash; the TicketsNow acquisition was in a paper yesterday, etc. I just haven't had enough time to properly nexus those stories. But I know they are out there. BTW, the Ticketmaster website has so little information about Ticketmaster on it, I don't know where you are looking that I'm not? [[User:ILoveConcerts|ILoveConcerts]] ([[User talk:ILoveConcerts|talk]]) 23:05, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

== Where is criticism? ==

Where is some criticism about this evil monopoly? [[Special:Contributions/199.117.69.8|199.117.69.8]] ([[User talk:199.117.69.8|talk]]) 21:44, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

: Maybe the article has changed since you wrote this comment in October 2008 but now this article seems full of criticism. And that's a good thing because there is almost nothing good to say about this monopolistic, greedy and evil company. They, like many of the record companies currently trying to take down torrent sites, are what is destroying the music industry!--[[Special:Contributions/217.203.131.186|217.203.131.186]] ([[User talk:217.203.131.186|talk]]) 00:02, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

== acquisition history ==
Discussing HOW they became a monopoly (by acquiring ticketron, their major competitor, etc.)
Since the courts have held that Pearl Jam lacked standing to sue, a lawsuit by concert attendees is needed. After all, it wouldn't be tolerated of the airlines had total controlled of all seat inventory on their planes, without consolidators and travel agency web sites such as Travelocity.
[[User:Amita eshana|Amita eshana]] ([[User talk:Amita eshana|talk]]) 14:33, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

As far as Ticketmaster being in control of the ticket inventory that is a myth. The venues, promotors, and artists are in control of all ticket inventory and tell Ticketmaster wich tickets they want put on sale or held back for any reason. Ticketmaster is mearly the distributor of the tickets, i have worked for Ticketmaster for almost 10 years and know this for a fact.[[User:BXCanada|BXCanada]] ([[User talk:BXCanada|talk]]) 11:57, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

== Settlement with New Jersey? ==

Not sure where this fits in the current article - its not a lawsuit per se. example news article: http://www.canada.com/Ticketmaster+settlement+reins+premium+priced+website/1323169/story.html

ps I cleaned up the headings in here, 2nd one was broken.


That link doesn't work. What is it in reference to? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.85.90.169|67.85.90.169]] ([[User talk:67.85.90.169|talk]]) 13:58, 19 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Pearl Jam Decision ==

I deleted a paragraph about the Justice Department's decision in favor of Ticketmaster in the Pearl Jam case, because that paragraph quoted a court ruling that appeared to apply to an entirely different case (Alex Campos vs. Ticketmaster: http://www.usdoj.gov/atr/cases/f2100/2157.htm). Nothing in that decision states that that ruling had anything to do with the Pearl Jam case.

I also added a reference to a New York Times article detailing the Justice Department's decision not to pursue an investigation against Ticketmaster on Pearl Jam's behalf. (http://www.nytimes.com/1995/07/06/arts/us-ends-ticketmaster-investigation.html?fta=y)

Somebody should probably include a section about the Campos case, however.

[[User:Notinman|Notinman]] ([[User talk:Notinman|talk]]) 15:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fillmore Detroit ==

There definitely needs to be a lot more hard evidence of some of these charges. I live in Detroit, and the Fillmore DOES not have its own parking, but does recognize parking across the street in Comerica park. So is the parking fee covering that?

And I've never been forced to pay for parking through ticketmaster, to any venue, ever. Not the Fillmore either.

While I think the fee breakdown and percentage explanations are great we need straight evidence, because what I see here is rather unfounded. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mechem|Mechem]] ([[User talk:Mechem|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mechem|contribs]]) 13:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Isn't scalping illegal? ==

Why's it legal for a "big corporation" to do it then? [[Special:Contributions/97.118.63.76|97.118.63.76]] ([[User talk:97.118.63.76|talk]]) 11:52, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

"Scalping" has largely been legalized. The laws you're likely thinking of have largely been overturned. [[User:Wdr1|Wdr1]] ([[User talk:Wdr1|talk]]) 17:25, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

==Ticket Master Flap and Congressional hearings==

Please note that the following section in addition to about 12 other section were deleted by administrator Diannaa within hours of edit dispute on the Sean Combs page she edits. In all of her edits from August 21- August 22 she falsely designated origiin od authorship, removing any articles that were written by LA Times Chuck Philips in an apparent retaliation for my insertion of a small correction into Sean Combs Wiki page.
This original expose ( summarized below) details the original Ticketmaster flap that culminated in congressional hearings. This was the first expose. It was by LA Times. The paragraph explains the background of the flap. It was
The following section (which Diannaa deleted in addition to aout 12 other sections within 10 hours of her rampage, clarifies the history of the Tickemaster flap which did in fact lead to Congressional hearinggs (contrary to Diannaa's misinformation.) I would be glad to engage the efforts of the Washintgton staffer who ushered these investigation to fruition if necessary I hope this won't be necessary. Dianna's contributions From August 21 to August 22, deleted all Philips original research in widely ranging areas . She would have had to read hundreds of pages within a few hours to come to her conclusions, which would not have been possible. I'm requesting an advanced referee on on this. Also I've enlisted the aid of the original author. Please review and reinstate these reference. To fail to do so would be false designation of origin on authorship The section reads as follows: "Investigatie reporter [[Chuck Philips]] wrote of series of investigative articles in 1991 about Ticketmaster that exposed its monopolistic nature and helped trigger a federal anti-trust investigation<ref name="Ticketmaster 1">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=Ticket Flap: What Price Convenience? : Entertainment: A host of service fees, surcharges and taxes is riling concert-goers--and lawmakers.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1991-05-17/entertainment/ca-2084_1_service-fees|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=May 17, 1991}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 2">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=chuck|title=Congress May Get Tickets Measure : Pop music: Spurred by Pearl Jam's crusade, the bill would require ticket vendors to disclose fees.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1995-02-07/entertainment/ca-29032_1_tickets-pearl-jam|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=February 7, 1995}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 3">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=Pearl Jam, Ticketmaster and Now Congress: America's biggest band sent shock waves through the music business when it filed a complaint with the Justice Department about Ticketmaster. Now, Congress is holding a hearing. How'd it all get so far?|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-30/entertainment/ca-10438_1_pearl-jam-merchandise|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=June 30 1994}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 4">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=Pearl Jam vs. Ticketmaster: Choosing Sides : Legal file: The pop music world is divided over the Seattle band's allegations, which led to a Justice Department investigation into possible anti-competitive practices in the ticket distribution industry.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1994-06-08/entertainment/ca-1864_1_pearl-jam-manager|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=June 8, 1994}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 5">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=COLUMN ONE : The Ticket King's Path to Power : As Pearl Jam just learned, Ticketmaster's Fred Rosen gets what he wants. His tactics have earned him some foes, but even critics admit he has transformed the industry. Now he's eyeing new realms.|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1995-06-17/news/mn-14107_1_pearl-jam|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA Times|date=June 17, 1995}}</ref> <ref name="Ticketmaster 6">{{cite news|last=Philips|first=Chuck|title=A Tangle Over Tickets : Ticketmaster, Target of Lawsuits, Says It Offers Broad Service|url=http://articles.latimes.com/1992-06-09/entertainment/ca-136_1_ticket-service|accessdate=22 July 2012|newspaper=LA." }}</ref> <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.89.155.100|76.89.155.100]] ([[User talk:76.89.155.100|talk]]) 14:08, August 25, 2012 UTC</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP -->
: I have re-added a sentence about the Pearl Jam incident, choosing one article that does indeed back up the claim that hearings were held. That was a mistake on my part; sorry. And I also added another sentence about its outcome. -- [[User:Diannaa|Dianna]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 15:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me the link SA. I was in Washington at the time and the series by Chuck was the reason I could get it done. I'll add back the citations. I'll also check Diannaa's work if I can - but don't know much about art gotta say. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.89.155.100|76.89.155.100]] ([[User talk:76.89.155.100|talk]]) 22:34, 25 August 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

It needs to be added Pearl Jam was prevented from playing by Ticketmaster. It coincided, not culminated, in them not playing. Fred Rosen set out to make sure that they could not play in major venues in the US. They had to set up concerts in far away outdoor locations, making it difficult for fans to attend the concert and ultimately forcing fans to abandon the band. I'll be glad to give the history of it according to a Washington staffer. Maybe a neutral editor should contact Pearl Jam for their view. Otherwise I think the last editor should add this line in.— <small>Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.89.155.100|76.89.155.100]] ([[User talk:76.89.155.100|talk]]) 23:30, August 25, 2012 (UTC)</small>

:What do you mean by the last editor? There's only two people in this conversation. Me, and someone posting from IP address 76.89.155.100. -- [[User:Diannaa|Dianna]] ([[User talk:Diannaa|talk]]) 00:23, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

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Corporation or Limited Liability Company?

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What is Ticketmaster? A corporation or a company? The article lists that it is a corporation at the start but then the infobox lists it as an LLC? What is it's legal name ending? WiinterU (talk) 02:28, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Geen code

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Ik krijg nooit geen code op mijn gsm om verder te gaan 94.109.109.96 (talk) 10:55, 22 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation Concert Tickets controversies

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"as a result many people booked hotels or the day off work"
Is this supposed to say "or took the day off work"? 216.243.58.119 (talk) 20:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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