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== Road to FA ==
== Separate article on assassination ==

{{collapse top|copied from [[User talk:Cinadon36#Schinas FA?]]}}
Hi Cinadon. Would you be interested in co-noming [[Alexandros Schinas]] for FA with me? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 06:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|Levivich}} Hi there! I 'd love to! Let me know when and how. [[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 07:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
::Great! It's been a while since the last time I looked at this article. Over the next day or so I was going to check it the article against the [[WP:FACR|FA criteria]]. [[WP:FAC]] says to get a mentor. I wonder if {{u|czar}} might be available/interested to mentor us? – <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 07:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Hi Cin. FYI, I made a few tweaks to the article, but other than those, I didn't see much to change. Czar hasn't edited since I pinged, so maybe we should wait a while until they get a chance to respond. Though I think the article is ready to nominate, I think we should get somebody who has FA experience to look it over before it's nominated. What do you think? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 22:45, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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{{ping|Levivich|Cinadon36|p=}}, here we go! I suggest a few steps before nominating:
# Verify against the source material. Does each footnote accurately support the cited claim? I lost track during the article's expansion, but you want to be able to vouch that the article is accurate. (This will be spot-checked as part of the review.)
# Account for the article's comprehensiveness. The nature of this article (all of Schinas's unknowns) makes reviewers all but required to ask about whether this is the best possible sourcing. For example, is there really no better sourcing than using the NYT as a 1913 primary source? What databases and books did you search and why is this the best available sourcing? Having a quick explanation either on this talk page or near the FAC nominating statement will preempt the obvious questions.
# Pretty sure the NYT should be italicized within the {{tl|sfn}} since it's a title and not a surname
# More generally, check against the [[WP:FACR|FA criteria]] and if you have time (and haven't already), try giving a review of another FAC to get a sense of what a reviewer will be doing for yours
# I can do the image review, if you prefer. Image copyright can be tricky.
That's where I'd start before nominating. Otherwise I'd expect to do this stuff during the review, which will slow down the process for you. Let me know how I can help but note that I may be a little slow to respond during the week. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 03:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|czar}}!
:#This'll take a while, but I'll get started this week.
:#Yeah this is the weakest part. I remember last year exhausting the various google searches (scholar, books, news, web), but not offline or Greek sources – however both of those are rather inaccessible to me. I imagine the best sources are going to be Greek (which I don't speak). Is there even a chance of passing FA without consulting Greek-language sources?
:#Yup
:#Really, review before being reviewed? I feel like I wouldn't know where to start.
:#Sure. I don't think I uploaded any of the images, so I haven't checked their copyright. But I think they're all pre-1924 so should be OK.
:I think it's definitely better to do as much as possible up front before the review. Thanks again for the guidance! <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:21, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

::No worries {{u|Levivich}}, I 'll double check the sources in greek and let you know if they are ok or not. And on bibliography, I do not think that there are many RS in Greek that discuss Schinas, but I 'll have a look once more.[[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 07:28, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

6. Citations also should be in a unified style and in alphabetical order. E.g., convert the sole {{tl|citation}} line to use {{tlx|cite book|chapter{{=}}}}, include location for either all books or none, and are the Google Books archive links actually archiving anything? Fine to remove them if not, as the citation is truly to the book and not to a website. I also recommend linking the titles of periodicals wherever possible. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 11:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Pre-FAC checklist ===
#Source search/comprehensiveness check
#<del>Add new sources</del>
#<del>Draft Background section</del>
#<del>Draft Aftermath section</del>
#<del>Rewrite Motives section</del>
#Revisit lead
#Image review - ongoing at [[#Image review]]
#Source verification check
#Update map
#Unify/polish citation format and title italicizations
#MOS check
#FAC criteria check
#Resolve outstanding talk page discussions

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Posting the above to keep track of everything. Please feel free to add/modify. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 05:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Sources searched ===
:<small>''Prior discussion at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Quest for literature in Greek]]''</small>
Just noting what I've searched. Anything I'm finding I've been posting below.
* Google – combinations of alexandros/alexander/alexandre/alex/aleko schinas/skinas/scinas, and schinas+george+greece+1913, in web/books/news/scholar
* JSTOR – sames searches
* Archive.org – same searches
* Elephind has a bunch of contemporaneous wires but they're just short blurbs and primary sources anyway
* I've reverse-image-searched the images in the article – [[User:Levivich|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">'''Levivich'''</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Levivich|[''dubious – discuss'']]]</sup> 04:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
* Cin checked Google Books (Greek), sources in Greek Wikipedia article, and Greek Thesis database a/o 5 Feb 2020.
* LOC: Greece--Kings and rulers, --Biography, Assassins--Biography, Assassination--Greece--Thessalonikē--History--20th century
* [https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb425750933 BNF] (in French) not yet checked

=== Sources added ===
:<small>''Prior discussion at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Quest for literature in Greek]]''</small>
#{{Cite book|last=Anastasiadēs, Giōrgos O.|url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/713835670|chapter=Part B Chapter 2 Η δολοφονία του βασιλιά Γεώργιου Α' (1913)"| title=To palimpsēsto tou haimatos : politikes dolophonies kai ekteleseis stē Thessalonikē (1913-1968)|last2=Αναστασιάδης, Γιώργος Ο.|date=2010|publisher=Epikentro|isbn=978-960-458-280-8|edition=1. ekd|location=Thessalonikē|oclc=713835670|pp=54–65|ref=none}} - Cin's translation and notes are at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Discussing Anastasiad%C4%93s (2010)]]
#{{Cite book|last=Dakin|first=Douglas|author-link=Douglas Dakin|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=aGZoAAAAMAAJ|title=The Unification of Greece, 1770-1923|date=1972|publisher=[[Ernest Benn Limited]]|language=en|isbn=9780510263119|oclc=2656514|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=Jensen|first=Richard Bach|chapter=Historical lessons: an overview of early anarchism and lone actor terrorism|chapter-url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Understanding_Lone_Actor_Terrorism/DF6FCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA29&printsec=frontcover|editor-last=Fredholm|editor-first=Michael|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=DF6FCwAAQBAJ&newbks=0|title=Understanding Lone Actor Terrorism: Past Experience, Future Outlook, and Response Strategies|date=2016-02-05|publisher=[[Routledge]]|isbn=978-1-317-32861-2|oclc=947086466|language=en|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=Kaloudis|first=George|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=jB6vDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA61#v=onepage&q&f=false|title=Navigating Turbulent Waters: Greek Politics in the Era of Eleftherios Venizelos|date=2019-10-04|publisher=[[Rowman & Littlefield]]|isbn=978-1-4985-8739-6|oclc=1108993066|language=en|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=Shirinian|first=George N.|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=SlwEDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA304#v=onepage&q&f=false|title=Genocide in the Ottoman Empire: Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks, 1913-1923|date=2017-02-01|publisher=[[Berghahn Books]]|isbn=978-1-78533-433-7|oclc=1100925364|language=en|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=West |first=Nigel |author-link=Nigel West|date=2017 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=SZMtDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA83|title=Encyclopedia of political assassinations|isbn=978-1-5381-0238-1|location=Lanham, Maryland|oclc=980219049 |publisher=[[Rowman & Littlefield]]|ref=none}}

=== Sources not (yet) added ===
:<small>''Prior discussion at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Quest for literature in Greek]]''</small>
;English-language sources
#{{Cite book|last=Van der Kiste |first=John |author-link=John Van der Kiste|url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/30668585|title=Kings of the Hellenes : the Greek kings, 1863-1974|date=1994|publisher=Alan Sutton|isbn=0-7509-0525-5|location=Dover, N.H.|oclc=30668585|ref=none}}
#[https://search.informit.com.au/documentSummary;dn=798853932302023;res=IELHEA Peters]
#[https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9781848882966/BP000006.xml Kreuter]
#[https://www.google.com/books/edition/At_Last_We_Uprooted_Them/xWBoAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Tsirkinidēs]
#<del>[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781405198073.wbierp0057 Vradis]</del> - single sentence per Czar
#<del>[https://muse.jhu.edu/article/631684/summary Livanios]</del> - no mention per Czar

#<del>[https://www.google.com/books/edition/Assassinations_and_Executions/G9UZAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Lenz]</del> - nothing useful per L
#<del>[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Making_of_a_Modern_Greek_Identity/6Wl7twAACAAJ?hl=en Zervas]</del> - nothing useful per L
;Greek-language sources
#[https://books.google.be/books?id=U82kDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT310&dq=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMyJWg_LnnAhWNEVAKHXyrCicQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&f=false book by Ioannis Mazis] [https://elearninguoa.org/academics/dr-ioannis-mazis] on [[Ion Dragoumis]] - Cin's comment: "briefly mentions Al.Schinas in a footnote. He comments that there is a conspiracy theory that Germans were behind the assassination of King George but this is untrue since the murderer, Al. Schinas, was known to have mental problems. (google books does not point to the exact page...)"
#[https://books.google.be/books?id=kG-wDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT284&dq=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii8NfF_rnnAhVSI1AKHUalCQoQ6AEIQzAD#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&f=false A tertiary source Σαν σήμερα: Στη νεότερη και σύγχρονη ελληνική ιστορία] (could be translated "what happened today in the modern and contemporary greek history) - Cin's comment: "(borderline RS though, publisher is Μεταίχμιο, a respected publishing house but authors are unkwown and I couldnt retrieve their bios.) Well, at the article "5 of March", there is a paragraph on Schinas. It goes like this: subtitle:"Germans behind the assassination?" At the brief text, it says that in 1913, King George was assassinated by Schinas. Motives are still unclear as Schinas fell from the window of the police station while being questioned by the police. And last sentence: "The assassiantion of King George was helpful to Germans because King George's successor was know for being friendly towards Germany"
#''[[https://books.google.be/books?id=RW0CDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT563&dq=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii8NfF_rnnAhVSI1AKHUalCQoQ6AEIOjAC#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&f=false Οι λήσταρχοι: Τα παλληκάρια τα καλά σύντροφοι τα σκοτώνουν]]'' - Cin's comment: "By Βασίλης Ι. Τζανακάρης, briefly mentions Αλ. Σχινάς in a sentence. "There (Ano Frourio prisons) Al. Schinas, the assassinor of King George was kept before "escaping" through is "suicide"."
#Ιστορία της Νεώτερης Ελλάδας», Γιάνης Κορδάτος 5ος τόμος, σελίδα 311 -History of modern Greece by Giannis Kordatos, vol. 5 p. 311) published [https://anemi.lib.uoc.gr/metadata/3/0/6/metadata-433-0000001.tkl?dtab=m&search_type=simple&search_help=&display_mode=overview&wf_step=init&show_hidden=0&number=10&keep_number=&cclterm1=&cclterm2=&cclterm3=&cclterm4=&cclterm5=&cclterm6=&cclterm7=&cclterm8=&cclfield1=&cclfield2=&cclfield3=&cclfield4=&cclfield5=&cclfield6=&cclfield7=&cclfield8=&cclop1=&cclop2=&cclop3=&cclop4=&cclop5=&cclop6=&cclop7=&isp=&search_coll%5Bmetadata%5D=1&&stored_cclquery=&skin=&rss=0&lang=el&ioffset=1&offset=1 more than 60 years ago (1956-1959)] - Cin's comment: "it seems there is a mention of Al Schinas."
#[https://books.google.be/books/about/%CE%97_%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%AD%CF%84%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BD.html?id=CPPRtQEACAAJ&redir_esc=y Η περιπέτεια του κοινοβουλευτισμού στην Ελλάδα: 1844-1915] (parliamentary history of Greece 1844-1915) by Georgios Romaios, (journalist and minister of [[PASOK]]-government during the 90's) - Cin's comment: "it is used as a ref in one sentence, that Schinas jumped from the window of the police station and died. I do not think that there are any details on the life of Schinas here, as the scope of the book is to examine the greek legislative body."
#[https://lccn.loc.gov/2018378144 Dermitzakēs] - Cin's comment: "On Dermizakis: Dermizakis (1948-) studied economic and political sciences at [[Aristotle University of Thessaloniki]]. He had a career in the energy field. He joined [[PASOK]] in 1980. [http://politicalpedia.eklogika.gr/cv-dermitzakis/]. Publishing house is Ρώμη (for Rome). It is not a well known publishing house, it is the first time I am hearing of it. They have a small blog [http://ekdosisromi.blogspot.com/]. I am not sure if it qualifies for RS. As of his book, there is a chapter dedicated to the assacination of king George I. ("Η δολοφονία του βασιλιά Γεωργίου Α' - 05.03.1913") It the third chapter of the book as one can have a look [https://www.politeianet.gr/books/9786185140021-dermitzakis-g-spuros-romi-politikes-dolofonies-kai-ekteleseis-stin-thessaloniki-250277 here]. But I do not have access the text though."
;Other
#[https://www.worldcat.org/title/fin-du-regne-du-roi-georges-de-grece/oclc/779731067&referer=brief_results La fin du règne du roi Georges de Grèce] - nothing useful per L via GT

== Image review ==

=== Image list ===

# <del>[[:File:Aleksandar Schinas.jpg]]</del> – OK [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 02:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
# <del>[[:File:Serres Orta Carsi Ottoman Postcard.jpg]]</del> – OK [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 03:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
# <del>[[:File:Dimitriados Street Volos Greece 1909.jpg]]</del> – OK [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 02:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
# [[:File:Assassination of George I of Greece, 1913.png]] – See [[#National Historical Museum]] discussion
# <del>[[:File:Alekos Schinas Arrested.jpg]]</del> – OK [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 21:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
# [[:File:Alekos Schinas Killing2.jpg]] – See [[#National Historical Museum]] discussion
# <del>[[:File:Shotwhile.png]]</del> – OK; I move the local file to commons [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 02:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
# <del>[[:File:Alekos King's Murderer.png]]</del> – OK [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 02:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
# [[:File:Alekos Schinas Set.jpg]] – See [[#Photographs]] discussion

=== Image discussion ===

Took a look at the image copyrights and they need some work. If one of you can take first pass at making sure the images have the basics, I can review for the trickier components. Each image needs to have (1) basics on its origins (when was it first published, by whom, where) ideally in the standard {{tl|Information}} template, and (2) a copyright license explaining why the image is free use, if indeed it is. Many of the images just need more research—if it came from the NYT, link to the digital scan of the print so others can verify it (or get as close as you can so I can provide this). Other images are just lifted from random blogs without any details of their provenance. Each of the image scans ostensibly ''came from somewhere'', whether a newspaper or a loose photograph in an archival collection. A website posting the image with no context lacks provenance. If you can't source the image, let's discuss because if none of us can find its origins, it should likely be deleted or checked if old enough for anonymous exemption. So, yes, take first pass and I'll help with the edge cases? <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 16:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:Glad to take the first pass, will post here when done. Thanks, <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 18:17, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Czar}}, I've finished a first pass and expanded this section. I think the ones I've marked "OK" on the list above are ready for you to confirm. For the others, see comments in the relevant subsections. Thanks! [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 03:09, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== National Historical Museum ===
:Does this picture [[:File:Assassination of George I of Greece, 1913.png]] identify the publisher or publication date at the bottom (in Greek)? I think so, but I don't speak Greek, plus it's tiny print. <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 22:27, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:: {{ping|Cinadon36|p=}}, [https://www.etsy.com/no-en/listing/563303993/the-assassination-of-king-george-i-of here's a bigger version], if you can read the inscription for identifying info <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 23:05, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:: If helpful, here are the lithographs in the National Historical Museum collection [http://www.nhmuseum.gr/en/fakelos-syllogon/antikeimena/12674_en/] (#4950-38) and [http://www.nhmuseum.gr/en/fakelos-syllogon/antikeimena/12698_en/] (#4951-108) <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 23:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:: But in other good news, look what I found: [[:File:Le Petit Journal - 30 Mars 1913 - L'assassinat du roi de grèce (cropped).jpg]] [[File:Le Petit Journal - 30 Mars 1913 - L'assassinat du roi de grèce (cropped).jpg|thumb]] Feel free to clean up its colors <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 23:19, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

:::Hi {{u|Czar}}. Inscription "ΔΟΛΟΦΟΝΙΑ ΤΗΣ Α.Μ. ΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΤΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΥ ΤΟΥ Α. ΕΝ ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ" translates as: "The murder of His Highness King of the Greeks George I in Thessaloniki". There is also a paragraph of "additional info" at etsy.com, "Εκτύπωση του Εθνικού Ιστορικού Μουσείου της δεκαετίας του 1950, βασισμένη σε παλαιότερη λιθογραφία. Η δολοφονία του Βασιλέως των Ελλήνων Γεωργίου του Α' στην Θεσσαλονίκη την 5η Μαρτίου του 1913." It translates as "Print of National History Museum in the decade of 1950, based on an older lithography. The Murderer of King of the Greeks George I in Thessaloniki on 5th of March 1913". [[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 08:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
:::: Thanks! I figured that the large text would be a translation of the text near it, but are you able to read any of the inscriptions in the corners of the print itself? Perhaps in [https://i.etsystatic.com/10979194/r/il/c8c2b8/1317874108/il_fullxfull.1317874108_ksy0.jpg this larger version]? Looking for anything that would help us track down its authorship. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 11:12, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

:::::Bottom left corner, 1st row (within the painting): Can't understand what it is there. Seem to be Α/φοι (meaning "brothers"), then follows a word that is very hard to tell, and last is the world ΑΘΗΝΑΙ, meaning [[Athens]], the capital of Greece. Seems to be the surname of the artists.
:::::Bottom left corner, 2nd row: as already translated: "ΔΟΛΟΦΟΝΙΑ ΤΗΣ Α.Μ. ΤΟΥ ΒΑΣΙΛΕΩΣ ΤΩΝ ΕΛΛΗΝΩΝ ΓΕΩΡΓΙΟΥ ΤΟΥ Α. ΕΝ ΘΕΣΣΑΛΟΝΙΚΗ" translates as: "The murder of His Highness King of the Greeks George I in Thessaloniki".
:::::Bottom left corner 3rd row: "Εγεννήθη 1Χ Δεκεμβρίου 1945-Εδολοφονήθη την ΧΧ Μαρτίου 1913" translates as "Born in 1X December 1945- Murdered in XX March 1913". X--> some numbers are blurred.
:::::Bottom right corner, 1st row: "Εκδόσις Κεντρικού Βιβλιοπωλείου Δρακου Παπαδημητρίου, Αθήναι, Αιόλου 203" translates as "Publication of Central Bookstore Drakou Papademetriou, Athens, Aiolou 203."
:::::Bottom right corner, 2nd row: It is in french, apparently it is the same text as the bottom left corner, second row.
:::::Bottom right corner 3rd row: "Η λιθογραφία ειναι από την συλλογή του Εθνικού-Ιστορικού Μ", that is "the lithography is from the collection of National-Historical M." (M for museum apparently).[[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 17:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, {{u|Cinadon36|Cin}}! I guess that gives us the publisher and some of the author's identity. I posted a message on the uploader's talk page on Commons asking if they had any info on it. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|inane chatter]]) 21:45, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
::::::: fwiw, I've also emailed the museum and will forward if I hear anything worthwhile back <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 01:43, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

It looks like both [[:File:Assassination of George I of Greece, 1913.png]] and [[:File:Alekos Schinas Killing2.jpg]] were republished by the National Historical Museum. They're by two different artists apparently (noted in the image files). Were they both originally published by Central Bookstore, Drakou Papademetriou, Athens, Aiolou 203? And I'm not sure that we have the original publication date, at least not yet. I [[:c:User talk:Cplakidas#File:Assassination of George I of Greece, 1913.png]] contacted the uploader of the first image but they unfortunately didn't have any information beyond what was already in the image file, though they thought it was contemporary (1913). The uploader of the second image hasn't edited in 9 years. [https://www.news247.gr/afieromata/o-anarchikos-alexandros-schinas-poy-dolofonise-ton-vasilia-georgio-a-stis-18-martioy-toy-1913.6259433.html News 24/7] has these posters, too; not sure if they have any information about their provenance. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 02:51, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

: {{ping|Cinadon36|p=}}, are you able to read the artist's signature in the bottom-left of this image?[https://web.archive.org/web/20200228131104/https://i.etsystatic.com/10979194/r/il/82cfe9/1365142439/il_fullxfull.1365142439_13rc.jpg] I think it includes an "X" and "1913"? If we have an artist's name, we might be able to work backwards to a book of prints. It's also possible that this was distributed as a postcard, so could look through archives for that. (And is the coat of arms in the middle/center the same as [[:File:Royal Coat of Arms of Greece (blue cross).svg]]?) <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 13:16, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:: I have a good feeling it might be in [https://clio.columbia.edu/catalog/1540751 this book]—only copy I've found in the NY area, though there are many more in Europe, if within your reach: {{isbn|960-213-110-1}}. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 13:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:::There appears to be a digital searchable version of the book [https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015049602421&view=1up&seq=1 here] but I'm not having luck finding it by text searching (it's 500 pages long) [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 21:12, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:::: Looks like that's [https://clio.columbia.edu/catalog/1540751 a different volume]—I think we need v. 14 or 15 (which cover 1913). <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 22:59, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
:::::That would explain why I didn’t find anything 😃 [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 00:22, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

::{{re|Czar}} I did tried once more but no luck. I also tried to guess the name and I googlesearched possible names, but no luck. The first letter is K or X, apparently from the first name. Surname's first two letters are "Χα" (as Xa) but I cant help any more. There are 4 blurred letters and what strikes me is the last one, which it might be a "ζ" ("z"). Greek surnames do not end in ζ, so I think the artist may have used the first 6 letters his surnames. It is impossible to trace who he is. I will a friend at el.WP but I am not very optimistic. I am pretty sure that 's the coat of arms of the House of Glücksburg. See [[Coat of arms of Greece#Glücksburg dynasty and Second Republic]].[[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 23:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Photographs ===
[[:File:Alekos Schinas Arrested.jpg]] and [[:File:Alekos Schinas Set.jpg]] are photographs of Schinas that appear all over the place, along with many other photographs and drawings (some of which are used in the article and many more that are not but could be). The problem is nailing down their original publication source. I think it's [[L'Illustration]], a French pre-WWII magazine, which I think is how they are identified by Thessaloniki Arts and Culture [https://www.thessalonikiartsandculture.gr/thessaloniki/istories/alexandros-schinas-o-dolofonos-toy-vasilia-georgioy-a/]. The only problem is the source says they were published in 2013, but I'm pretty sure that's a mistake and they mean 1913 (since L'Illustration stopped publishing in 1944). Of course, because nothing is ever easy for Interpol, the L'Illustration archives for Jan-March 1913 are missing: [https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/012272520], or more specifically, restricted due to copyright, which Inspct. Clouseau believes may indicate that the photographs of Schinas are copyrighted. Still, do we have enough to say that these were published in L'Illustration in 1913? ([https://www.news247.gr/afieromata/o-anarchikos-alexandros-schinas-poy-dolofonise-ton-vasilia-georgio-a-stis-18-martioy-toy-1913.6259433.html News 24/7] has a larger version of Alekos Schinas Set.jpg.) [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 03:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
: Indeed: First one is in [http://gutenberg.readingroo.ms/3/7/8/7/37874/37874-h/37874-h.htm ''L'Illustration'', No. 3657, 29 Mars 1913]
: Doesn't look like the second one is in L'Illustration, at least March to mid-April. Perhaps it's later, though? Also check out [https://www.mixanitouxronou.gr/alexandros-schinas-o-fonias-tou-vasilia-georgiou-a-pliromenos-dolofonos-xenon-simferonton-i-psichopathis-pou-filassete-mechri-simera-to-kommeno-cheri-tou/ this preserved ear and hand] from the [https://en.uoa.gr/about_us/museums/criminology_museum/ criminology museum]. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 20:18, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
::Excuse me for geeking (Greeking?) out but that is so cool. {{u|Czar}}, do you think there's a viable argument for fair use of that picture to illustrate the [[Alexandros Schinas#Death|section]] that is discussing the preservation of the ear and the hand? The reader doesn't really get the understanding from a description that one gets from seeing a picture of the ear and the hand. Also, at the bottom of the article, is that the murder weapon? If so, it looks like a revolver and ''not'' a Kubura. I'll update the first image now; that just leaves us hunting for [[:File:Alekos Schinas Set.jpg]] – I went through April, May, and June 1913 of L'Ill and could not find it. However, I did find some good photos of George I's funeral [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37886/37886-h/37886-h.htm] and they appear to continue mentioning the king's death for several subsequent issues [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37941/37941-h/37941-h.htm] [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37971/37971-h/37971-h.htm] [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38002/38002-h/38002-h.htm] [https://www.gutenberg.org/files/38729/38729-h/38729-h.htm] (search "Georges"). BTW, L'Ill is a [https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/L%27Illustration_(Bookshelf) gold mine] of PD photographs and art–there are so many articles that could benefit from being illustrated with some of the photographs I saw while browsing. I think I found a new project for my to-do list. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 21:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
::: Fair use, probably not, unless some source discusses an important finding from one of those remains. But it shouldn't be too hard to get a free use copy—just would need to know someone in Athens who is willing to visit and take a photo. And yes, believe that is the murder weapon. For that remaining "Set" photo, we could keep trying other publications... I had no luck in the Illustrated London News or NYT but I wonder whether some French/Italian newspaper archives wouldn't have more illustrations. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 23:33, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

::::We can ask at [[:el:WP:Αγορά]] if someone could take a photo. But do we need anything else? [[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 22:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
:::::We might. Maybe it’s better to wait until later in the process to see if we have any other requests, so we can bundle them. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 00:35, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

== Questions re: expansion and changes ==

#I'm thinking we should expand on the geopolitical background. The article, currently, doesn't do a good job of explaining to the reader the world in which Schinas lived and acted, including the [[First Balkan War]], and also placing Schinas in the context of other early 20th-century assassins, most famously [[Gavrilo Princip]]. It should also probably mention the earlier assassination attempt against George in the late 19th c. The article doesn't explain, for example, ''why'' people might think Schinas was a foreign agent–why Germany or Bulgaria or some other country would want to assassinate George I and have Constantine become King. Perhaps a "background" section is due?
#Similarly, the article doesn't really go into the impact of Schinas's actions. Perhaps an "aftermath" section is due?
#I think the Motives section "[[WP:DTTC|teaches the controversy]]" too much. It's written in a he-said/she-said format, rather than presenting a cohesive narrative that summarizes what RS say on the topic. For example, it explains that some say "madman" and some say "anarchist" and some say "foreign agent", but I don't think it really explains that "foreign agent" is what everyone would think of first, because of the recent war, and "madman"/"anarchist" is what the Greek government said to discredit the "foreign agent" theory, and that one interview with Schinas (by Queen Olga's priest, I guess according to his 1962 memoirs) reports that Schinas is an "anarchist", but the interview published for the first time in Kemp's 2018 book has Schinas denying "anarchist" and saying he's a "socialist" (with Kemp saying the two terms were used interchangeably anyway). It seems to be true that the Greek sources present the foreign agent theory more prominently than the English sources (despite Schinas's and the Greek govt's denials, and lack of evidence), and this should probably be conveyed to the reader somehow. So I'm thinking a re-write of the section to talk about the foreign agent theory first, followed by the Greek govt statements saying, alternately, he's a drunk or an anarchist, followed by what historians have said looking back over the years. Thoughts?
#Excuse me for suggesting something radical {{=)}} but should this article be moved to [[Assassination of George I]] (with a redirect of course)? There are many book-length biographies about Gavrilo Princip; there are apparently none about Schinas. We have more reliable information about the assassination–by far–than about the assassin. Is Schinas really notable, or is the assassination notable? (I note [pun intended] that there is also a possibly-notable author named Alexandros Schinas (1924–2012) [https://eu.greekreporter.com/2012/02/14/reporter-and-author-alexandros-schinas-passes-away/] [https://www.worldcat.org/search?q=au%3ASchinas%2C+Alexandros&qt=hot_author]. Should this title be a [[WP:DAB|DAB]]?) [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 00:11, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I agree from 1-3 but I am a little skeptical on 4th. Surely there is a great deal of overlap between Schinas and [[Assassination of George I]], but it seems to me that there is story to tell on Schinas that is irrelevant to King, like "Early life" section. Also, the version according to witch Schinas was an anarchist and the assassination was a propaganda by the deeds act, adds to my scepticism. I 'll think it a little further. Nice suggestion though, [[Wikipedia:WikiDragon|Dragonish]]. [[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 11:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
:I'm also undecided on 4. What gave me the idea was thinking that if we add a "background" and "aftermath" section, "early life" would really be the only section about Schinas that is not about the assassination. On the other hand, a section entitled "aftermath of the assassination" could also be titled "legacy of Alexandros Schinas", so the article could really be written in either way (about the assassination, or about the assassin). I've previously worked on [[Moors murders]] and [[Murder of Tessa Majors]]–both of which are titled after the event and not the murderer. But on the other, other hand, a political assassination is not like a serial killing or robbery-gone-wrong-murder. On the other, other, other hand, Schinas is still a murderer. "Propaganda of the deed" refers to the action and not the anarchist – no one really holds up Schinas as a model or typical anarchist... not like Princip. On the other other other other hand (Interpol has many hands.), there is something to be said for maintaining the status quo and "if it's not broke, don't fix it". As you can see, I am conflicted and don't really have a strong feeling about it one way or the other, but thought I'd bring it up for discussion. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 17:26, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

*I completely concur with point #4. The very first sentence under "Early Life" says, "Very little is confirmed about Schinas's life before he assassinated King George I." That should be a big clue that this person isn't likely to be independently notable. The "Early Life" section could easily be one section of a wider article on the assassination. The way I see it, the assassination is the more important topic. If hypothetically there were an article on the assassination of George I, and if it became too long for Wikipedia's size limits, then I would agree that perhaps an article on Alexandros Schinas could be spun off from it. However, I don't agree with having only an article on Schinas that deals overwhelmingly with the assassination, which ought to be the main topic. [[User:Talrolande|Talrolande]] ([[User talk:Talrolande|talk]]) 22:31, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
* #1–3 sounds good, if you have the sourcing. #4, I could have sworn we discussed this somewhere (perhaps on another talk page?) I'm amenable but from my read, the coverage is as much about Schinas as about the assassination. For the latter, I think the existing section in [[George I of Greece]] is sufficient and it can always spin out [[Wikipedia:Summary style|summary style]] if need be. As a figure, based on how he features in sources on the topic, I wager that Schinas himself is [[WP:42|independently notable]] regardless of whether the assassination needs a dedicated spin-out (the life details of Schinas certainly don't fit in the existing George I article). That little is actually known about Schinas's life is not quite relevant to that independent notability discussion because the point is more that authors like Kemp covered the subject (Schinas) ''despite'' the little that is definitively known about him. This said, I did recommend reducing the primary source reliance (e.g., NYT) above, so if y'all feel that there really isn't enough there without it, then a rescoping discussion would be reasonable. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 23:29, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Proposed expansion ===
{{yo|Cinadon36|Czar|Girth Summit}} Hello! <del>I've tricked Girth into</del> Girth has graciously offered to lend his assistance with this article, so including him in the ping.

Would you all kindly take a look at my <del>proposed expansion at [[User:Levivich/sandbox7]] ([[Special:Permalink/973018542|permalink proposed]]) as compared with the current [[Alexandros Schinas]] ([[Special:Permalink/972736956|permalink current]])</del> <ins>recent expansion of the article</ins>, and let me know your thoughts? My biggest concern is that there is too much new material about background and impact, and I wonder if some should be condensed, moved to footnotes, or removed, and if so, which parts, exactly.

Some notes on what's the same/different:
*I took out the pictures just temporarily because it helps me see the true length of the text
*Added content from the newly-found sources in the [[#Sources added]] list above on this talk page, and also went back through the existing sources
*Most but not all of the primary sources are removed
*"First Balkan War" and "Impact" are new sections
*"Motives" section has been rewritten and condensed
*"Early life", "Leaving Thessaloniki" (formerly part of Early life), "Assassination", and "Death" sections are largely the same but with some tweaks from the new sources
*The lead is the same, really just a placeholder; we can worry about that after the body is settled
*The citations are still a mess, pay no mind

I also consolidated some threads on this page and moved them to the archives, and moved links to the sources and our comments about them to the [[#Pre-FAC checklist]] thread at the top of this talk page, and updated that.

Thanks for your feedback on the proposed expansion! [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 23:35, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
* {{ping|Levivich|p=}}, I understand how it's useful to draft without the images but if you think the new version won't be controversial, could you paste it in over the current version too so we can compare the diffs (and you can get authorship vs. doing it myself)? I tend to make little tweaks as I read. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 02:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
*:{{u|Czar}}, {{done}}, you can see the edits section-by-section in the history, or here is the [[Special:Diff/972736956/973054940|combined diff]]. I don't think anything is controversial, but I think it might be "bloat"-y. (Also, I've introduced cite errors that show up in mainspace but not in my sandbox copy. Any ideas why?) Anyone should feel free to revert if this is too much change to go "live" with. [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 03:57, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
* Should Motives go before Death? Of course I like the flourish of how it currently ends, but in terms of the flow, it seems like knowing the motive is a prerequisite for understanding his death and then is summated by Impact. (Am I rehashing something that was already discussed or is this new because of the new section?) Also fixed the cite errors. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 05:23, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
*:{{u|Czar}}, {{done}} [[Special:Diff/973074809]] - I did some "massaging", and I think it's a better structure, but I also think it needs more "massaging". I wonder if "questioning the accepted understanding" belongs in a "legacy" or "historiography" section at the end? [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 06:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

====Some suggestions after a read through====
A very interesting read - some thoughts:
*...train Greek troops... ...train Greek troops... - repetitive
*Ottoman's sword of surrender - should that be Ottomans' sword?
*Motives section, second sentence - {{Green|According to Greek newspaper Kathimerini, Schinas told Queen Olga in a private meeting that he acted alone, and transcripts of depositions Schinas gave after his arrest were lost in a fire aboard a ship while being transported.}} Should that be two sentences, or reworded a bit? I'm slightly confused about whether or not Schinas told Queen Olga that depositions he gave were lost, or whether Kathimerini is telling us that.
*Is it possible to explain in any greater depth how the ear and the hand were used? 'Identification' is a little vauge - presumably only one person was launched through that window on that day, and they could have taken his finger prints without cutting his hand off!
*Attacked and killed by monkeys!? For real? Any more detail on that? (Species? Were they pets? Was that a common event?)
Cheers [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#294;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#42c;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 11:05, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for reading it, {{u|Girth Summit|Girth}}!
:*"train Greek troops" - fixed
:*"Ottoman's sword" - I double-checked the sources, and can report that there was, indeed, more than one Ottoman :-) Fixed
:* "Kathimerini" - split it into two sentence, hopefully more clear
:* Want to see the hand and ear? [https://www.thessalonikiartsandculture.gr/thessaloniki/istories/alexandros-schinas-o-dolofonos-toy-vasilia-georgioy-a/ Czar found it], scroll to the bottom of the page. I can't find any information beyond that they were severed and used for identification. I don't know where fingerprint technology was in 1913 in Greece--I imagine not terribly advanced. Reading between the lines, I'm guessing that his face may not have been recognizable post-landing. I can think of some reasons for removing the hand to take a fingerprint: it might have taken too long for a fingerprint expert to arrive; perhaps the finger tips needed to be preserved in order to get a clean print (I don't know if you can fingerprint a "cold" body as well as a living or recently deceased person); maybe it's cheaper to send the hand to the fingerprint expert rather than pay for the fingerprint expert to travel; maybe they needed a whole hand print. Maybe none of those reasons, I'm just speculating. Given the conspiracy theories of foreign involvement, I imagine the authorities wanted to be able to demonstrate with 100% certainty that this was really Schinas's body and that he didn't fake his own death and abscond to Bulgaria or someplace. If his face was unrecognizable, I could see the Greek public being skeptical as to whether that was really Schinas based on the authorities' say-so (particularly those who thought German/Constantine was behind the assassination, since Constantine was "the authorities" at the time). So, the ear and hand may have been a, er, "belt and suspenders" approach to proving that he was really dead. Otherwise it's all just too convenient, isn't it? ;-)
:* Monkeys, yes, really. The source cited in the article says "Spanish monkeys," but [[Alexander of Greece#Death]] says it was a [[Barbary macaque]]. Apparently kept in the gardens at the royal palace at [[Tatoi]]. I guess that counts as a pet? You've heard of "first world problems"? This is "royalty problems". You know, that feeling you get when you've just been crowned king only to die a few months later after being bitten by one of the monkeys in one of your royal palace gardens? And you send the doctors away and tell everyone it's just a monkey bite, nbd, only to develop a fever and die of sepsis soon after? Who can't relate? There's a reason why Greek tragedy is legendary. I mean, I'd believe Alexander was smited by a God living on top of the nearby mountain, wouldn't you? Otherwise it's all just too random, isn't it? :-) [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 16:23, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
:*:{{u|Levivich}}, Barbary macaques and Spanish monkeys makes sense, I know from personal experience that they're all over the place in Gibraltar.
:*:I see the problem with the body parts issue. Leave it as is if there's nothing more we can say, just seems a bit of a macabre thing to do from a 21st century perspective. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#294;">Girth</span><span style="font-family:Impact;color:#42c;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:script;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 19:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)


[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] FYI [[Assassination of George I of Greece]] is newly translated from [[:fr:Assassinat de Georges Ier de Grèce|the French Wikipedia]] <span style="background:#F3F3F3; color:inherit; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 16:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
* There are a few images I'd describe as decorative/distracting:
*# The images in Early life. I think the map would suffice for illustrating this section, unless there's some reason to show these depictions of Volos/Serres.
*# The Central Thessaloniki map feels decorative unless there is a purpose in describing the distance between the tower and the assassination.
*# Are the NYT headlines needed? It's not like the headline itself was a point of commentary, right? The text already establishes that he is described as both an anarchist and socialist (which tended to be used interchangeably in the time period anyway).
: <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 03:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
::I think the postcards and the headlines can go. I was thinking about replacing that map with a better one, possibly one of those interactive street maps (which the reader can zoom in and out), showing the location in Thessaloniki of places discussed in the article (the assassination, White Tower, and maybe Konak Palace). What do you think? [[User:Levivich|Le]][[Special:Contribs/Levivich|v!v]][[User talk:Levivich|ich]] 04:39, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
::: For a second I thought you meant street views of the locations (which would be amazing!) but if it's more of an interactive (i.e., zoom in/out) of the current map, it sounds like more of a curio for readers. The most useful illustrations, I'd wager, would illustrate those settings to visualize what happened there. Photo of the building from which he fell (if still standing); the location of the assassination (if not completely modernized); etc. The first map makes sense to contextualize how he moved around throughout his life, especially for those unfamiliar with Greece—not sure it's as useful for the other purposes. Otherwise for FA purposes, I think it's adequately illustrated. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 06:26, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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FYI Assassination of George I of Greece is newly translated from the French Wikipedia czar 16:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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