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== Road to FA ==
== Separate article on assassination ==

{{collapse top|copied from [[User talk:Cinadon36#Schinas FA?]]}}
Hi Cinadon. Would you be interested in co-noming [[Alexandros Schinas]] for FA with me? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 06:33, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

:{{re|Levivich}} Hi there! I 'd love to! Let me know when and how. [[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 07:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
::Great! It's been a while since the last time I looked at this article. Over the next day or so I was going to check it the article against the [[WP:FACR|FA criteria]]. [[WP:FAC]] says to get a mentor. I wonder if {{u|czar}} might be available/interested to mentor us? – <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 07:39, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
:::Hi Cin. FYI, I made a few tweaks to the article, but other than those, I didn't see much to change. Czar hasn't edited since I pinged, so maybe we should wait a while until they get a chance to respond. Though I think the article is ready to nominate, I think we should get somebody who has FA experience to look it over before it's nominated. What do you think? <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 22:45, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
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{{ping|Levivich|Cinadon36|p=}}, here we go! I suggest a few steps before nominating:
# Verify against the source material. Does each footnote accurately support the cited claim? I lost track during the article's expansion, but you want to be able to vouch that the article is accurate. (This will be spot-checked as part of the review.)
# Account for the article's comprehensiveness. The nature of this article (all of Schinas's unknowns) makes reviewers all but required to ask about whether this is the best possible sourcing. For example, is there really no better sourcing than using the NYT as a 1913 primary source? What databases and books did you search and why is this the best available sourcing? Having a quick explanation either on this talk page or near the FAC nominating statement will preempt the obvious questions.
# Pretty sure the NYT should be italicized within the {{tl|sfn}} since it's a title and not a surname
# More generally, check against the [[WP:FACR|FA criteria]] and if you have time (and haven't already), try giving a review of another FAC to get a sense of what a reviewer will be doing for yours
# I can do the image review, if you prefer. Image copyright can be tricky.
That's where I'd start before nominating. Otherwise I'd expect to do this stuff during the review, which will slow down the process for you. Let me know how I can help but note that I may be a little slow to respond during the week. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 03:42, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks, {{u|czar}}!
:#This'll take a while, but I'll get started this week.
:#Yeah this is the weakest part. I remember last year exhausting the various google searches (scholar, books, news, web), but not offline or Greek sources – however both of those are rather inaccessible to me. I imagine the best sources are going to be Greek (which I don't speak). Is there even a chance of passing FA without consulting Greek-language sources?
:#Yup
:#Really, review before being reviewed? I feel like I wouldn't know where to start.
:#Sure. I don't think I uploaded any of the images, so I haven't checked their copyright. But I think they're all pre-1924 so should be OK.
:I think it's definitely better to do as much as possible up front before the review. Thanks again for the guidance! <span style="white-space:nowrap;">[[User:Levivich|Leviv]]<span style="display:inline-block;position:relative;transform:rotate(45deg);bottom:-.57em;">[[User Talk:Levivich|ich]]</span></span> 05:21, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

::No worries {{u|Levivich}}, I 'll double check the sources in greek and let you know if they are ok or not. And on bibliography, I do not think that there are many RS in Greek that discuss Schinas, but I 'll have a look once more.[[User:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#008000;">Cinadon</b>]][[User Talk:Cinadon36|<b style="display:inline; color:#c0c0c0;">36</b>]] 07:28, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

6. Citations also should be in a unified style and in alphabetical order. E.g., convert the sole {{tl|citation}} line to use {{tlx|cite book|chapter{{=}}}}, include location for either all books or none, and are the Google Books archive links actually archiving anything? Fine to remove them if not, as the citation is truly to the book and not to a website. I also recommend linking the titles of periodicals wherever possible. <span style="background:#F3F3F3; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 11:17, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Pre-FAC checklist ===
#Source search/comprehensiveness check
#<del>Add new sources</del>
#<del>Draft Background section</del>
#<del>Draft Aftermath section</del>
#<del>Rewrite Motives section</del>
#<del>Revisit lead</del>
#<del>Image review</del> (see [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Image review]])
#<del>OS/NS dates</del>
#<del>Source verification check</del>
#<del>Update map</del>
#<del>Unify/polish citation format and title italicizations</del>
#MOS check
#FAC criteria check
#Resolve outstanding talk page discussions

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Posting the above to keep track of everything. Please feel free to add/modify. [[User:Levivich|Levivich]] ([[User talk:Levivich|talk]]) 05:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

=== Sources searched ===
:<small>''Prior discussion at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Quest for literature in Greek]]''</small>
Just noting what I've searched. Anything I'm finding I've been posting below.
* Google – combinations of alexandros/alexander/alexandre/alex/aleko schinas/skinas/scinas, and schinas+george+greece+1913, in web/books/news/scholar
* JSTOR – sames searches
* Archive.org – same searches
* Elephind has a bunch of contemporaneous wires but they're just short blurbs and primary sources anyway
* I've reverse-image-searched the images in the article – [[User:Levivich|<span style="color:DarkGreen;">'''Levivich'''</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Levivich|[''dubious – discuss'']]]</sup> 04:37, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
* Cin checked Google Books (Greek), sources in Greek Wikipedia article, and Greek Thesis database a/o 5 Feb 2020.
* LOC: Greece--Kings and rulers, --Biography, Assassins--Biography, Assassination--Greece--Thessalonikē--History--20th century
* [https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb425750933 BNF] (in French) not yet checked

=== Sources added ===
:<small>''Prior discussion at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Quest for literature in Greek]]''</small>
#{{Cite book|last=Anastasiadēs, Giōrgos O.|url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/713835670|chapter=Part B Chapter 2 Η δολοφονία του βασιλιά Γεώργιου Α' (1913)"| title=To palimpsēsto tou haimatos : politikes dolophonies kai ekteleseis stē Thessalonikē (1913-1968)|last2=Αναστασιάδης, Γιώργος Ο.|date=2010|publisher=Epikentro|isbn=978-960-458-280-8|edition=1. ekd|location=Thessalonikē|oclc=713835670|pp=54–65|ref=none}} - Cin's translation and notes are at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Discussing Anastasiad%C4%93s (2010)]]
#{{Cite book|last=Dakin|first=Douglas|author-link=Douglas Dakin|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=aGZoAAAAMAAJ|title=The Unification of Greece, 1770-1923|date=1972|publisher=[[Ernest Benn Limited]]|language=en|isbn=9780510263119|oclc=2656514|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=Jensen|first=Richard Bach|chapter=Historical lessons: an overview of early anarchism and lone actor terrorism|chapter-url=https://www.google.com/books/edition/Understanding_Lone_Actor_Terrorism/DF6FCwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA29&printsec=frontcover|editor-last=Fredholm|editor-first=Michael|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=DF6FCwAAQBAJ&newbks=0|title=Understanding Lone Actor Terrorism: Past Experience, Future Outlook, and Response Strategies|date=2016-02-05|publisher=[[Routledge]]|isbn=978-1-317-32861-2|oclc=947086466|language=en|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=Kaloudis|first=George|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=jB6vDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA61#v=onepage&q&f=false|title=Navigating Turbulent Waters: Greek Politics in the Era of Eleftherios Venizelos|date=2019-10-04|publisher=[[Rowman & Littlefield]]|isbn=978-1-4985-8739-6|oclc=1108993066|language=en|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=Shirinian|first=George N.|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=SlwEDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA304#v=onepage&q&f=false|title=Genocide in the Ottoman Empire: Armenians, Assyrians, and Greeks, 1913-1923|date=2017-02-01|publisher=[[Berghahn Books]]|isbn=978-1-78533-433-7|oclc=1100925364|language=en|ref=none}}
#{{Cite book|last=West |first=Nigel |author-link=Nigel West|date=2017 |url=https://books.google.com/books?id=SZMtDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA83|title=Encyclopedia of political assassinations|isbn=978-1-5381-0238-1|location=Lanham, Maryland|oclc=980219049 |publisher=[[Rowman & Littlefield]]|ref=none}}

=== Sources not (yet) added ===
:<small>''Prior discussion at [[Talk:Alexandros Schinas/Archive 1#Quest for literature in Greek]]''</small>
;English-language sources
#<del>{{Cite book|last=Van der Kiste |first=John |author-link=John Van der Kiste|url=https://www.worldcat.org/oclc/30668585|title=Kings of the Hellenes : the Greek kings, 1863-1974|date=1994|publisher=Alan Sutton|isbn=0-7509-0525-5|location=Dover, N.H.|oclc=30668585|ref=none}}</del> - added to FR
#<del>[https://search.informit.com.au/documentSummary;dn=798853932302023;res=IELHEA Peters]</del> - doesn't look promising per L
#<del>[https://brill.com/view/book/edcoll/9781848882966/BP000006.xml Kreuter]</del> - added to FR
#<del>[https://www.google.com/books/edition/At_Last_We_Uprooted_Them/xWBoAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Tsirkinidēs]</del> - added to FR
#<del>[https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/9781405198073.wbierp0057 Vradis]</del> - single sentence per Czar
#<del>[https://muse.jhu.edu/article/631684/summary Livanios]</del> - no mention per Czar


[[File:Symbol watching blue lashes high contrast.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] FYI [[Assassination of George I of Greece]] is newly translated from [[:fr:Assassinat de Georges Ier de Grèce|the French Wikipedia]] <span style="background:#F3F3F3; color:inherit; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em sans-serif;color:#871E8D'>czar</span>]]</span> 16:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
#<del>[https://www.google.com/books/edition/Assassinations_and_Executions/G9UZAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Lenz]</del> - nothing useful per L
#<del>[https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Making_of_a_Modern_Greek_Identity/6Wl7twAACAAJ?hl=en Zervas]</del> - nothing useful per L
;Greek-language sources
#[https://books.google.be/books?id=U82kDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT310&dq=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMyJWg_LnnAhWNEVAKHXyrCicQ6AEIMTAB#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&f=false book by Ioannis Mazis] [https://elearninguoa.org/academics/dr-ioannis-mazis] on [[Ion Dragoumis]] - Cin's comment: "briefly mentions Al.Schinas in a footnote. He comments that there is a conspiracy theory that Germans were behind the assassination of King George but this is untrue since the murderer, Al. Schinas, was known to have mental problems. (google books does not point to the exact page...)"
#[https://books.google.be/books?id=kG-wDwAAQBAJ&pg=PT284&dq=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii8NfF_rnnAhVSI1AKHUalCQoQ6AEIQzAD#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&f=false A tertiary source Σαν σήμερα: Στη νεότερη και σύγχρονη ελληνική ιστορία] (could be translated "what happened today in the modern and contemporary greek history) - Cin's comment: "(borderline RS though, publisher is Μεταίχμιο, a respected publishing house but authors are unkwown and I couldnt retrieve their bios.) Well, at the article "5 of March", there is a paragraph on Schinas. It goes like this: subtitle:"Germans behind the assassination?" At the brief text, it says that in 1913, King George was assassinated by Schinas. Motives are still unclear as Schinas fell from the window of the police station while being questioned by the police. And last sentence: "The assassiantion of King George was helpful to Germans because King George's successor was know for being friendly towards Germany"
#''[[https://books.google.be/books?id=RW0CDQAAQBAJ&pg=PT563&dq=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82+%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwii8NfF_rnnAhVSI1AKHUalCQoQ6AEIOjAC#v=onepage&q=%CE%91%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BE%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82%20%CE%A3%CF%87%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AC%CF%82&f=false Οι λήσταρχοι: Τα παλληκάρια τα καλά σύντροφοι τα σκοτώνουν]]'' - Cin's comment: "By Βασίλης Ι. Τζανακάρης, briefly mentions Αλ. Σχινάς in a sentence. "There (Ano Frourio prisons) Al. Schinas, the assassinor of King George was kept before "escaping" through is "suicide"."
#Ιστορία της Νεώτερης Ελλάδας», Γιάνης Κορδάτος 5ος τόμος, σελίδα 311 -History of modern Greece by Giannis Kordatos, vol. 5 p. 311) published [https://anemi.lib.uoc.gr/metadata/3/0/6/metadata-433-0000001.tkl?dtab=m&search_type=simple&search_help=&display_mode=overview&wf_step=init&show_hidden=0&number=10&keep_number=&cclterm1=&cclterm2=&cclterm3=&cclterm4=&cclterm5=&cclterm6=&cclterm7=&cclterm8=&cclfield1=&cclfield2=&cclfield3=&cclfield4=&cclfield5=&cclfield6=&cclfield7=&cclfield8=&cclop1=&cclop2=&cclop3=&cclop4=&cclop5=&cclop6=&cclop7=&isp=&search_coll%5Bmetadata%5D=1&&stored_cclquery=&skin=&rss=0&lang=el&ioffset=1&offset=1 more than 60 years ago (1956-1959)] - Cin's comment: "it seems there is a mention of Al Schinas."
#[https://books.google.be/books/about/%CE%97_%CF%80%CE%B5%CF%81%CE%B9%CF%80%CE%AD%CF%84%CE%B5%CE%B9%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%BF%CF%85_%CE%BA%CE%BF%CE%B9%CE%BD.html?id=CPPRtQEACAAJ&redir_esc=y Η περιπέτεια του κοινοβουλευτισμού στην Ελλάδα: 1844-1915] (parliamentary history of Greece 1844-1915) by Georgios Romaios, (journalist and minister of [[PASOK]]-government during the 90's) - Cin's comment: "it is used as a ref in one sentence, that Schinas jumped from the window of the police station and died. I do not think that there are any details on the life of Schinas here, as the scope of the book is to examine the greek legislative body."
#[https://lccn.loc.gov/2018378144 Dermitzakēs] - Cin's comment: "On Dermizakis: Dermizakis (1948-) studied economic and political sciences at [[Aristotle University of Thessaloniki]]. He had a career in the energy field. He joined [[PASOK]] in 1980. [http://politicalpedia.eklogika.gr/cv-dermitzakis/]. Publishing house is Ρώμη (for Rome). It is not a well known publishing house, it is the first time I am hearing of it. They have a small blog [http://ekdosisromi.blogspot.com/]. I am not sure if it qualifies for RS. As of his book, there is a chapter dedicated to the assacination of king George I. ("Η δολοφονία του βασιλιά Γεωργίου Α' - 05.03.1913") It the third chapter of the book as one can have a look [https://www.politeianet.gr/books/9786185140021-dermitzakis-g-spuros-romi-politikes-dolofonies-kai-ekteleseis-stin-thessaloniki-250277 here]. But I do not have access the text though."
;Other
#[https://www.worldcat.org/title/fin-du-regne-du-roi-georges-de-grece/oclc/779731067&referer=brief_results La fin du règne du roi Georges de Grèce] - nothing useful per L via GT

Latest revision as of 08:09, 30 December 2024

Separate article on assassination

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FYI Assassination of George I of Greece is newly translated from the French Wikipedia czar 16:13, 26 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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