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Submarine Cables Convention

Not sure if Visegrád's Twitter is a reliable enough souce, but they state that the detention of Yi Peng 3 is under Article X of the Submarine Cables Convention. Might be worth mentioning in the article. Mjroots (talk) 07:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Boarding

The statement in the article regarding boarding of the ship is highly questionable. The webpage in the article ref. only refers to Financial Times, "citing sources". The only Financial Times article mentioning Yi Peng 3 says nothing about boarding. This article from a Danish newsbroadcaster TV2, updated less then an hour ago, only mentions that the Danish Navy has not taken any other action then shadowing the chinese ship. IMO the statement should be removed from the article. Znuddel (talk) 20:08, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cable location

Is there an authoritative source on the cable location? Maps on the internet vary on whether the cable is north or south of Bornholm. PhotographyEdits (talk) 23:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Yi Peng 3 into this page

Proposing to merge Yi Peng 3 here, as 99% of that body describes the 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions. Wuerzele (talk) 22:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The ship itself isn't notable, the cable disruptions are. Reywas92^Talk 02:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Incident is notable, vessel is not. Smyrno347 (talk) 03:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as it isn't independently notable, and almost all content about it is related to and covered in the incident article. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as the event, not the ship, is what is notable here. - Amigao (talk) 03:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wondering if a merger imply that the ship, which itself isn't notable, is guilty rather than alleged? Vagabond nanoda (talk) 07:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: unlikely that the ship is independently notable. No concern regarding merger implying guilt as the ship was impacted by the event regardless of whether it was involved in damaging the cables or not. ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was no detention of the ship

The article says: The detention of the Chinese vessel was the first enforcement action under the Convention for the Protection of Submarine Telegraph Cables since the Transatlantic cables incident of 1959.

There has been no formal statement by Denmark about a detention of the ship. The Wall Street Journal is the source, but there is no statement from authorities that supports this. This is also clear because the ship wasn't boarded or anything in that period and the ship went for anchor in international waters. So I would suggest this is removed. Raindeer (talk) 14:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This article and 2024 Estlink 2 incident

Is the purpose of this article to focus solely on events from November 2024 (as it currently does) or could a section for the 2024 Estlink 2 incident be added? If not, it might be better to rename this article to November 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions or to 2024 Baltic Sea submarine telecommunication cable disruptions. 196.197.28.142 (talk) 15:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 :*'''Merge''' Incident is notable, vessel is not. [[User:Smyrno347|Smyrno347]] ([[User talk:Smyrno347|talk]]) 03:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)
+:*'''Merge''' as it isn't independently notable, and almost all content about it is related to and covered in the incident article. [[User:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b>]][[User talk:Joseph2302|<b style="color:#000000">2302</b>]] ([[User talk:Joseph2302|talk]]) 16:30, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
+:*'''Merge''' as the event, not the ship, is what is notable here. - [[User:Amigao|Amigao]] ([[User talk:Amigao|talk]]) 03:43, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
+:*'''Wondering''' if a merger imply that the ship, which itself isn't notable, is ''guilty'' rather than ''alleged''? [[User:Vagabond nanoda|Vagabond nanoda]] ([[User talk:Vagabond nanoda|talk]]) 07:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
+*'''Support''': unlikely that the ship is independently notable. No concern regarding merger implying guilt as the ship was impacted by the event regardless of whether it was involved in damaging the cables or not. ~ [[User:Pbritti|Pbritti]] ([[User talk:Pbritti|talk]]) 15:55, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
+== There was no detention of the ship ==
+The article says: The detention of the Chinese vessel was the first enforcement action under the [[Convention for the Protection of Submarine Telegraph Cables]] since the [[Transatlantic cables incident]] of 1959.
+There has been no formal statement by Denmark about a detention of the ship. The Wall Street Journal is the source, but there is no statement from authorities that supports this. This is also clear because the ship wasn't boarded or anything in that period and the ship went for anchor in international waters. So I would suggest this is removed.  [[User:Raindeer|Raindeer]] ([[User talk:Raindeer|talk]]) 14:30, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
+== This article and [[2024 Estlink 2 incident]] ==
+Is the purpose of this article to focus solely on events from November 2024 (as it currently does) or could a section for the [[2024 Estlink 2 incident]] be added? If not, it might be better to rename this article to [[November 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions|'''''November''''' 2024 Baltic Sea submarine cable disruptions]] or to [[2024 Baltic Sea submarine telecommunication cable disruptions|2024 Baltic Sea submarine '''''telecommunication''''' cable disruptions]]. [[Special:Contributions/196.197.28.142|196.197.28.142]] ([[User talk:196.197.28.142|talk]]) 15:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)