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This is a clan of certain Kuki-Chin language speaking tribes. It is a well-known clan, but not notable in any other way. We don't have any other pages devoted to such clans. The topic doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Ethnic groups, Asia, Myanmar, Manipur, and Mizoram. Kautilya3 (talk) 23:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it just needs a rename or move. Bearian (talk) 18:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep seems to have several references, but mostly offline, so it's not super clear if they are tangential or not. I could not find much online, but a subject expert may have more success establishing notability. I think the best route is to give this article some time to see if notability can be more clearly established. The information in this article may also be able to find a home at Paite people. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 22:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The nomination statement itself already says that 'it is a well-known clan'. Why delete an article about a clan that is known and has no any other existing article on it?. Runmastery (talk) 05:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is all folklore and no authentic sources are available. Kautilya3 (talk) 09:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Article seems to be well-referenced, a source review would be helpful to see whether they help establish notability.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- unless someone has a good merge/move proposal. And again... the existence or non-existence of other pages has no bearing on deletion (or not, for that matter).MWFwiki (talk) 00:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics has been notified because the sources need review by a WP:GSCASTE expert. At a glance, at least four of the 22 references are from the colonial era and are categorically unreliable; another is undated and contains a YouTube link that is probably irrelevant. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User Ratnahastin (talk · contribs) also identified Lalthangliana as unreliable because it is not peer-reviewed. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 02:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I tried searching for ဂွီးတဲ ဂွေးတဲ etc and found only a couple hits listing the clans of the Zo people, like this article, this government site or in lists/last names on Facebook. Of course, the lack of a modern facebook group for Guite people isn't indicative of GNG, especially since the Chin use the Latin script and there are some other sources in English I could google. But given what others have said above about the sources, the clan might not be as "well-known" as purported. EmeraldRange (talk/contribs) 22:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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 This is a clan of certain Kuki-Chin language speaking tribes. It is a well-known clan, but not notable in any other way. We don't have any other pages devoted to such clans. The topic doesn't seem to meet [[WP:GNG]]. [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 23:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
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 *'''Weak Keep''' seems to have several references, but mostly offline, so it's not super clear if they are tangential or not. I could not find much online, but a subject expert may have more success establishing notability. I think the best route is to give this article some time to see if notability can be more clearly established. The information in this article may also be able to find a home at [[Paite people]]. [[User:Royal Autumn Crest|Royal Autumn Crest]] ([[User talk:Royal Autumn Crest|talk]]) 22:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
 :<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 23:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Guite people]]</noinclude></p>
+*'''Keep'''. The nomination statement itself already says that 'it is a well-known clan'. Why delete an article about a clan that is known and has no any other existing article on it?. [[User:Runmastery|Runmastery]] ([[User talk:Runmastery|talk]]) 05:20, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
+*:Because it is all folklore and no authentic sources are available. [[User:Kautilya3|Kautilya3]] ([[User talk:Kautilya3|talk]]) 09:37, 28 December 2024 (UTC)
+:<p class="xfd_relist" style="margin:0 0 0 -1em;border-top: 1px solid #AAA; border-bottom: 1px solid #AAA; padding: 0px 2em;"><span style="color: #FF6600;">'''{{resize|91%|[[Wikipedia:Deletion process#Relisting discussions|Relisted]] to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.}}'''</span><br />'''Relisting comment:''' Article seems to be well-referenced, a source review would be helpful to see whether they help establish notability.<br /><small>Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 23:38, 30 December 2024 (UTC)</small><!-- from Template:XfD relist --><noinclude>[[Category:Relisted AfD debates|Guite people]]</noinclude></p>
+:* '''Keep''' -- unless someone has a good merge/move proposal. And again... the existence or non-existence of other pages [[WP:OSE|has no bearing on deletion]] (or not, for that matter).[[User:MWFwiki|MWFwiki]] ([[User talk:MWFwiki|talk]]) 00:13, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
+*<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bangladesh|list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions]]. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 04:38, 31 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Comment''' [[Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics]] has been notified because the sources need review by a [[WP:GSCASTE]] expert. At a glance, at least four of the 22 references are from the colonial era and [[WP:RAJ|are categorically unreliable]]; another is undated and contains a YouTube link that is probably irrelevant. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 04:47, 31 December 2024 (UTC)
+*:User {{user|Ratnahastin}} also identified Lalthangliana as unreliable because it is not peer-reviewed. –[[User:LaundryPizza03|<b style="color:#77b">Laundry</b><b style="color:#fb0">Pizza</b><b style="color:#b00">03</b>]] ([[User talk:LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0d0">d</span>]][[Special:Contribs/LaundryPizza03|<span style="color:#0bf">c̄</span>]]) 02:58, 1 January 2025 (UTC)
+*'''Comment''' I tried searching for ဂွီးတဲ ဂွေးတဲ etc and found only a couple hits listing the clans of the Zo people, like [https://burma.irrawaddy.com/article/2023/05/29/335241.html this article], [https://portal.moea.gov.mm/ethnicity/C-0004/4 this government site] or in lists/last names on Facebook. Of course, the lack of a modern facebook group for Guite people isn't indicative of GNG, especially since the Chin use the Latin script and there are some other sources in English I could google. But given what others have said above about the sources, the clan might not be as "well-known" as purported. [[User:EmeraldRange|'''<span style="color:#307F37;">EmeraldRange</span>''']] ([[User talk:EmeraldRange|talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/EmeraldRange|contribs]]) 22:01, 2 January 2025 (UTC)