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Citation and Wording

I feel that the article as a whole requires more citations for certain statements, such as his contributions to proving the law of conservation of mass. Perhaps also there should be a direct citation for the description Lavoisier's system of chemical nomenclature. I'm sure there are other examples of this in the article that I have not mentioned as well.

Also, and this may just be me, but I think the wording used in the chemical revolution section feels somehow biased? It isn't really biased in any way as far as I know, but statements like how Lavoisier's oppositions lacked evidence against him and statements about how precise he was in his measurements feel as though they were made in support of Lavoisier rather than remaining neutral. I also think the phrase "Pioneer of Stoichiometry" shouldn't be used for similar reasons, at least as a title. Maybe "Invention of Stoichiometry" or "Research on Stoichiometry" would feel more neutral?

Gabrielle16 (talk) 17:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Change 55 elements to 33 as per the list here: https://archive.org/details/traitlmentairede01lavo/page/192/mode/2up

The book Creations of Fire (1995) by Cobb also says that Lavoisier only lists 33 elements. TurnerValley (talk) 21:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done and thanks for the source! That section is lacking in references. small jars tc 17:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This needs more discussion; SmallJarsWithGreenLabels, you might want to undo pending consensus here. The list on p192 of that linked ref has many more than 33 entries. Are only some of them "elements"? Is there possibly a confusion between the modern definition of "element" and what that word was used to represent at that time? The subsequent sentence in our article likewise lists many more than 33 (and that longer list seems comparable to the linked ref), so it's a dual problem: it's not clear how the ref supports the claim, and it gave us two consecutive sentences that contradicted each other. Cobb's book (e-text ISBN 978-1-4899-2770-5, printed [ISBN 978-0-306-45087-7) is 475 pages; TurnerValley, could you be more speciifc with your citation of it? DMacks (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this secondary source (just added) supports a figure of either 33 or 23 depending on the definition. 55 seems like the result of a typo. small jars tc 18:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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please add his spouse to the infobox. His wife was really important in his life. Thank you for helping. Here is the line.

"|spouse = Marie-Anne Paulze Lavoisier" He King Hung (talk) 10:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, it is already there. --Mvqr (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. Blind He King Hung (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The ISBN given for ref # 29 is not a valid ISBN. See https://isbnsearch.org/search?s=0582052940. Please remove the ISBN from the reference. Thank you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done I've removed the whole source as I cannot find it. I suspect that the actual source is "Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution", but I cannot access the book. Liu1126 (talk) 11:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Liu1126: that edit of yours doesn't appear to have happened? I'm not sure Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution is the same thing. That is listed as a ref in the article, with an author of Simon Schama. The article has several other footnotes for Chronicle of the French Revolution (not Citizens:...) by Jacques Legrand with an ISBN 0582051940, one digit off-by-one. I will fix it. But we also do need a page-number, so I will tag it. Yay for checksum! Thanks for raising this concern, 76.14.122.5. DMacks (talk) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as soon as the WP database error clears. DMacks (talk) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probably another database error as I didn't check if the edit saved after making it. Been running into them all day for some reason. Liu1126 (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it went through. The database error is known, they're working on it. DMacks (talk) 14:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doubt about the verbiage related to "reduction of calces"

"and the reduction of calces by inflammable air (a combination of gas from calx with oxygen to form water)". I assume that the gas from calx is oxygen, so this should be changed to "a combination of gas from calx with hydrogen to form water)". Can someone please confirm or refute this? Merlin.anthwares (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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-Can anyone do something about the excess width of this page? I can't print it properly (unless I go to landscape mode) and this seems to be the only Wikipedia page like that. - [[User:64.26.98.90|64.26.98.90]] 15:51, 25 February 2002
-:Fixed --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]] 00:23, 1 March 2002
-::Thanks. There turn out to be a few others like that but that one had been the most egregious. - [[User:64.26.98.90|64.26.98.90]] 07:42, 8 March 2002
-==Blinking==
-I've changed the treatment of the severed head story. Lavoisier, according to the story, did an experiment. It's unscientific to reject the results of an experiment because they seem surprising. There is no source given for the assertion attributed to "biologists," and it's actually pretty common for farm animals to continue to do stuff after their heads have been chopped off. Talk to anyone who's had some experience slaughtering chickens, and they'll tell you that they often squawk, and the bodies even run around afterwards. Granted, that could be explained as a reflex, whereas blinking would be a voluntary action, but I think the original treatment was stated way too strongly unless it can be backed up with some kind of reference. In fact, one of the external links concludes by saying that there *is* empirical evidence in favor of the possibility that the head retains consciousness. --[[User:Bcrowell|Bcrowell]] 19:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-:Is there a case for removing this section completely?
-:: Yes.  As you wrote (below), there's no evidence that this incident was part of Lavoisier's life or death. I deleted it. -- [[User:Astrochemist|Astrochemist]] 03:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
-: Whether or not there is evidence for decapitated heads having reactions, there is no evidence whatever that Lavoisier himself performed this final experiment. As the [[Straight Dope]] reference says, the story only started going the rounds after the [[Discovery Channel]] program was aired. Before that, neither biographies of Lavoisier nor books about the guillotine make any mention of it. Alternatively, if it's considered important enough to mention, perhaps it could be moved to the `thinking heads' section in the [[guillotine]] entry and cross-referenced, and/or combined with a discussion of the verifiability of other Lavoisier stories such as whether or not anyone actually said "La Republique n'a pas besoin de savants".--[[User:Linden Salter|Linden Salter]] 20:53, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
+== Citation and Wording ==
-:: Yes, a reference is needed, or at least some editing. - [[User:Astrochemist|Astrochemist]] 03:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
+I feel that the article as a whole requires more citations for certain statements, such as his contributions to proving the law of conservation of mass. Perhaps also there should be a direct citation for the description Lavoisier's system of chemical nomenclature. I'm sure there are other examples of this in the article that I have not mentioned as well.
-I think it is worth citing this false information in the article, the notability of the dispute is worth mentioning in my opinion.  Something like, "Lavoisier has been credited with conducting an /ad hoc/ medical study during his own execution.   Lavoiser would blink after his head was severed, and his assistant counted each blink.  There are no sources that document this experiment." If academia and the Discovery Channel mention it, then it's worth acknowledging. --[[Special:Contributions/71.161.217.161|71.161.217.161]] ([[User talk:71.161.217.161|talk]]) 04:21, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
+Also, and this may just be me, but I think the wording used in the chemical revolution section feels somehow biased? It isn't really biased in any way as far as I know, but statements like how Lavoisier's oppositions lacked evidence against him and statements about how precise he was in his measurements feel as though they were made in support of Lavoisier rather than remaining neutral. I also think the phrase "Pioneer of Stoichiometry" shouldn't be used for similar reasons, at least as a title. Maybe "Invention of Stoichiometry" or "Research on Stoichiometry" would feel more neutral?
-: I agree, I've heard this said multiple times. It's been 6 years, and I'd really like to see a "Claims of beheaded blinking" section, or at least something that talks about it, and says that there is no written record to help clear up any confusion from other readers --[[User:Dudeprgm|Dudeprgm]] ([[User talk:Dudeprgm|talk]]) 22:48, 25 April 2015 (UTC)
+[[User:Gabrielle16|Gabrielle16]] ([[User talk:Gabrielle16|talk]]) 17:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
-=="The Republic has no need of savants"==
+== Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023 ==
-Jean-Pierre Poirier (Lavoisier, Pygmalion, 1993) thinks this quotation is apocryphal.  Poirier also gives more detail about Mme Lavoisier's role as a scientific assistant and also how she may have contributed inadvertently to his execution by openly showing her contempt for the mistress of a high revolutionary official who could have pardoned him. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:132.239.153.16|132.239.153.16]] ([[User talk:132.239.153.16|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/132.239.153.16|contribs]]) 20 Dec 2005.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
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-Madison Smartt Bell is professor of English and director of the Kratz Center for Creative Writing at Goucher College in Maryland. His most recent book is a nonfiction biography of pioneering chemist Antoine Lavoisier, Lavoisier in the Year One: The Birth of a New Science in an Age of Revolution (W. W. Norton, 2005).
+Change '''55''' elements to '''33''' as per the list here: https://archive.org/details/traitlmentairede01lavo/page/192/mode/2up
+The book Creations of Fire (1995) by Cobb also says that Lavoisier only lists 33 elements. [[User:TurnerValley|TurnerValley]] ([[User talk:TurnerValley|talk]]) 21:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
-=="Geology"==
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> and thanks for the source! That section is lacking in references. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|small jars]] <small><code>[[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">t</b>]][[special:contributions/SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">c</b>]]</code></small> 17:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
-I do know Lavoisier had some very important contributions to geology. Can anybody contribute to this article in regards to this - Dominic Hollands <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:217.140.43.124|217.140.43.124]] ([[User talk:217.140.43.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/217.140.43.124|contribs]]){{#if:15 December 2006|&#32;15 December 2006|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
+::This needs more discussion; [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]], you might want to undo pending consensus here. The list on p192 of that linked ref has many more than 33 entries. Are only some of them "elements"? Is there possibly a confusion between the modern definition of "element" and what that word was used to represent at that time? The subsequent sentence in our article likewise lists many more than 33 (and that longer list seems comparable to the linked ref), so it's a dual problem: it's not clear how the ref supports the claim, and it gave us two consecutive sentences that contradicted each other. Cobb's book (e-text {{ISBN|978-1-4899-2770-5}}, printed [{{ISBN|978-0-306-45087-7}}) is 475 pages; [[User:TurnerValley|TurnerValley]], could you be more speciifc with your citation of it?  [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+:::[https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Inorganic_Chemistry/Mtth5g59dEIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA17&printsec=frontcover this secondary source] (just added) supports a figure of either 33 or 23 depending on the definition. 55 seems like the result of a typo. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|small jars]] <small><code>[[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">t</b>]][[special:contributions/SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">c</b>]]</code></small> 18:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2023 ==
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+please add his spouse to the infobox. His wife was really important in his life. Thank you for helping. Here is the line.
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-CORRECTION MADE!!!!!!!!!!
+"|spouse      = Marie-Anne Paulze Lavoisier"
+</nowiki> [[User:He King Hung|He King Hung]] ([[User talk:He King Hung|talk]]) 10:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
+:Not done, it is already there. --[[User:Mvqr|<span style="color: #8f8;background:#85b;border:1px solid #999">Mvqr</span>]] ([[User talk:Mvqr#top|talk]]) 11:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
+::I'm sorry. Blind [[User:He King Hung|He King Hung]] ([[User talk:He King Hung|talk]]) 14:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023 ==
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-== Antoine as a uniquely capable "self-promoter" ==
+The ISBN given for ref # 29 is not a valid ISBN. See https://isbnsearch.org/search?s=0582052940. Please remove the ISBN from the reference. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 20:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I've removed the whole source as I cannot find it. I suspect that the actual source is "Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution", but I cannot access the book. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 11:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+:{{done}} {{ping|Liu1126}} that edit of yours doesn't appear to have happened? I'm not sure ''[[Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution]]'' is the same thing. That is listed as a ref in the article, with an author of Simon Schama. The article has several other footnotes for ''Chronicle of the French Revolution'' (not ''Citizens:...'') by Jacques Legrand with an ISBN 058205<u>1</u>940, one digit off-by-one. I will fix it. But we also do need a page-number, so I will tag it. Yay for [[checksum]]! Thanks for raising this concern, 76.14.122.5. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+::Well, as soon as the WP database error clears. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+::Probably another database error as I didn't check if the edit saved after making it. Been running into them all day for some reason. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+::Ok, it went through. The database error is known, they're working on it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 14:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Doubt about the verbiage related to "reduction of calces" ==
-This line in the introduction is, at best, sloppy. We have the claim that Antoine is widely considered the father of modern chemistry, but then a counterclaim that the label is, in fact, a result of his capacity for self-promotion. The first is clearly demonstrable to be objectively true (indeed, many give Antoine unique significance in the history of chemistry). The second, however, is not. The idea that the label is undeserved has some grounding, but it's a mere interpretation of history, and it shouldn't be said with the same authoritative voice. It's also unfitting to pass as objective fact that Antoine's self-promotion is the primary source of the label, and to pass as objective fact that the implication of the label is to diminish other chemists.
+"and the reduction of calces by inflammable air (a combination of gas from calx with '''oxygen''' to form water)". I assume that the gas from calx is oxygen, so this should be changed to  "a combination of gas from calx with '''hydrogen''' to form water)". Can someone please confirm or refute this? [[User:Merlin.anthwares|Merlin.anthwares]] ([[User talk:Merlin.anthwares|talk]]) 11:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
-It is a discussion worth giving some focus in the article, but not in this manner.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.112.97.2|70.112.97.2]] ([[User talk:70.112.97.2|talk]]) 04:18, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->