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Did you know... that mathematician Grace Bates was the only woman allowed to study differential equations in her final year at college?

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This is based almost entirely on the work of Margaret A.M. Murray

Everything in this article is derived from the work of Margaret A.M. Murray: her essay, "Women Becoming Mathematicians: Constructing a Professional Identity in Post-World War II America," pp. 37-91 of the volume edited by Jody Bart; and her book, with a similar title, that appears in the list of references. In addition, the biography of Bates in American Women of Science draws on a single reference: Murray's book! The interview with Bates was conducted, not by Valerie Morphew, but by Murray. (Although Valerie Morphew is a contributor to Bart's volume, her much shorter article appears after Murray's and has nothing whatever to do with Grace Bates.) While I salute efforts to add entries about women to Wikipedia, extensive quotations from copyrighted material should be correctly attributed to their authors---and in this case, to a single author, Murray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.152.88.251 (talk) 18:20, 15 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The current version of this article reads like a middle-school book report. The text is insipid, poorly organized, and clumsily written. I see that the subject's name is even misspelled at least once. Crappy, crappy stuff. Needs cleanup by someone with more time to invest than I do. — Jaydiem (talk) 21:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Jaydiem Ouch! Comments like this are incredibly discouraging to people who might be interested in helping update or create a page. Learn some humility!

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+== This is based almost entirely on the work of Margaret A.M. Murray ==
+Everything in this article is derived from the work of Margaret A.M. Murray: her essay, "Women Becoming Mathematicians: Constructing a Professional Identity in Post-World War II America," pp. 37-91 of the volume edited by Jody Bart; and her book, with a similar title, that appears in the list of references.  In addition, the biography of Bates in American Women of Science draws on a single reference: Murray's book!  The interview with Bates was conducted, not by Valerie Morphew, but by Murray.  (Although Valerie Morphew is a contributor to Bart's volume, her much shorter article appears after Murray's and has nothing whatever to do with Grace Bates.)  While I salute efforts to add entries about women to Wikipedia, extensive quotations from copyrighted material should be correctly attributed to their authors---and in this case, to a single author, Murray.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/63.152.88.251|63.152.88.251]] ([[User talk:63.152.88.251|talk]]) 18:20, 15 July 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Article quality ==
+The current version of this article reads like a middle-school book report. The text is insipid, poorly organized, and clumsily written. I see that the subject's name is even misspelled at least once. Crappy, crappy stuff. Needs cleanup by someone with more time to invest than I do. —&nbsp;'''[[User:Jaydiem|Jaydiem]]'''&nbsp;([[User talk:Jaydiem|talk]]) 21:19, 13 November 2015 (UTC)
+@Jaydiem  Ouch!  Comments like this are incredibly discouraging to people who might be interested in helping update or create a page.  Learn some humility!