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Not an anti-racist/anarchist movement

While there are probably skinheads who call themselves Trojan skinheads and who are anti-racists and/or anarchists, I don't think the term implies this at all. I removed those references.

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The result of the debate was redirect to skinhead moink 11:45, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Trojan Skinheads

Duplicates info on Skinhead and Two Tone. The first paragraph is merely a dicdef and is similar to what is given for the "traditional skinheads" category on Skinhead, which category explicitly includes Trojan Skinheads. The terms are essentially synonymous, and any difference is individual interpretation. The remainder of this article gives "Trojan Skinheads" a weakly related and unverifiable definition (no supporting hits on Google) as a "music style" and movement or period subculture in the UK, but the same author used identical text to define Two Tone and the latter term is widely used for the music. If the vote is to keep, with the idea that there may be more to say about Trojan Skinheads as a distinct group (doubtful), then all but the first paragraph should be deleted, the page should be marked as a stub, and it should be renamed to the singular. - Unconventional 17:16, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Delete, agree with User:Unconventional. Megan1967 06:51, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Merge and redirect to Skinhead. Dbiv 19:35, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Merge and redirect, unless someone comes up w a sound justification for a separate article. Sam Spade 07:16, 3 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Trojan Skinheads and Skinheads generally are not exactly the same.--RobotF 11:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

True, they are not, but the intent was to say that "traditional skinhead" and "Trojan skinhead" are essentially the same (rather than "skinhead" and "Trojan skinhead"). As stated on the redirect page, the "principle of least astonishment" allows for the redirect because the redirected term ("Trojan Skinhead") is mentioned within the first few paragraphs.

Also, please review the deletion policy page. A democratic process was used to change the page to a redirect. Your unilateral decision to override this process was not in the spirit of Wikipedia. If you strongly disagree with the redirection, I suggest you start with the process described in Votes for Undeletion. --Unconventional 22:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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 While there are probably skinheads who call themselves Trojan skinheads and who are anti-racists and/or anarchists, I don't think the term implies this at all. I removed those references.
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-== Vote for Deletion rationale ==
+{{Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Trojan Skinheads}}
-The first paragraph is merely a definition of Trojan Skinhead. The [[Skinhead]] page lumps them in with Traditional Skinheads, which are similarly defined, and the distinction is vague and arguable.
+*Trojan Skinheads and Skinheads generally are not exactly the same.--[[User:RobotF|RobotF]] 11:17, 20 September 2005 (UTC)
-The second paragraph claims that Trojan Skinhead was a musical style in the UK West Midlands during the 1970s. I find no reference to this definition on the web, and in fact the identical wording is used on the [[Two Tone]] page, which seems a more appropriate placement.
-[[User:Unconventional|Unconventional]] 15:12, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
+::True, they are not, but the intent was to say that "traditional skinhead" and "Trojan skinhead" are essentially the same (rather than "skinhead" and "Trojan skinhead"). As stated on the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirect redirect] page, the "principle of least astonishment" allows for the redirect because the redirected term ("Trojan Skinhead") is mentioned within the first few paragraphs.
+::Also, please review the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_policy deletion policy] page. A democratic process was used to change the page to a redirect. Your unilateral decision to override this process was not in the spirit of Wikipedia. If you strongly disagree with the redirection, I suggest you start with the process described in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Votes_for_undeletion Votes for Undeletion]. --[[User:Unconventional|Unconventional]] 22:57, 24 September 2005 (UTC)