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Alabama (song)

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The result of the debate was keep and a suggestion that a disambiguation page is in order. Joyous 01:40, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)

This is more suited to Wikisource. This is a "Mere [collection] of public domain or other source material," which is Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. 24.60.189.129 05:08, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Keep, but transwiki the lyrics to Wikisource, indeed. James F. (talk) 05:33, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Keep, move to Wikisource. - Amgine 06:16, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Keep, move lyrics to Wikisource, if it would not be a copyvio. Mikkalai 07:10, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Merge with Alabama and trim to omit lyrics --Tony Sidaway|Talk 12:52, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Keep. Already a good stub, with a stub notice. As for the lyrics, we have them for many national anthems, including Advance Australia Fair (two versions), La Marseillaise and The Star Spangled Banner. So why not state songs? Alabama is bigger than some countries (although not those three). Andrewa 13:09, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Keep There is a Category:U.S. state songs that is collecting the lyrics to all the official state songs, which seems worthwhile. Sortior 19:59, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)
Delete. Megan1967 01:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Weak keep. Transwiki the lyrics to Wikisource. And write an article on Alabama song (song): "Oh, show us, the way to the next whiskey-bar/Oh, don't ask why/Oh don't ask why/For we must find the next whiskey-bar/For if we don't find the next whiskey-bar/I tell you we must die/I tell you we must die/I tell you, I tell you, I tell you we must die!/Oh moon of Alabama/We now must say goodbye/We've lost our good old Mama/And must have whiskey, oh you know why." Dpbsmith (talk) 02:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
- This may be the first time I've seen a likely copyvio in a VfD discussion. But, yes, that song does deserve an article, although Alabama Song will do for an article name. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:10, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Fair use! fair use! This is scholarly discussion! (This is scholarly discussion, right?) Dpbsmith (talk) 01:35, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

- - Comment: It would need a 3-way disambig, it's also the name of track 8 on Harvest (1972 album), which IMO wouldn't qualify for its own article but which got a lot of airplay and people will search for it. No change of vote. Andrewa 19:37, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
    - Again, that's a song called "Alabama", not "Alabama Song". -- Jmabel | Talk 21:44, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
      - Aha! So we have two songs called Alabama and one called Alabama Song, and an article called Alabama (song) about one of the songs called Alabama (whew). IMO we need to disambiguate all three songs, exactly how doesn't worry me. Andrewa 00:49, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
        Disambig as you will, but I've started an article at Alabama Song on the Brecht/Weill song. It's a stub, help is welcome. -- Jmabel | Talk 21:47, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
Keep, on the same basis as national anthems. Don't care either way on whether lyrics are moved to Wikisource. -- Jmabel | Talk 08:10, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
Keep article, keep lyrics. Neutrality^talk 22:33, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

In any case the author of the lyrics died in 1918, these are in the public domain.Sortior 22:44, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)

Transwiki the lyrics. Discussion of the song should really place it in Mahogony, as well as Brecht's life/Weil's career, and the hundreds of remakes of it. A discussion would be encyclopedic, because this particular Brecht/Weil song has a place in the Modernist theater, pop music, and all sorts of people trying to be daring with their song choices. Geogre 13:39, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- No, no, that's not the song here, this is about the state song of Alabama... We are all so confused. Show me the way... -- Jmabel | Talk 21:47, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)

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-This is more suited to Wikisource.  This is a "Mere [collection] of public domain or other source material," which is [[What Wikipedia is not]]. [[User:24.60.189.129|24.60.189.129]] 05:08, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+This page is an archive of the discussion about the proposed deletion of the article below. '''This page is no longer live.''' Further comments should be made on the article's talk page rather than here so that this page is preserved as an historic record. <br >The result of the debate was '''keep''' and a suggestion that a disambiguation page is in order.   [[User:Joy Stovall|Joyous]] 01:40, Jan 18, 2005 (UTC)
+This is more suited to Wikisource.  This is a "Mere [collection] of public domain or other source material," which is [[Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not]]. [[User:24.60.189.129|24.60.189.129]] 05:08, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * '''Keep''', but transwiki the lyrics to Wikisource, indeed. [[User:Jdforrester|James F.]] [[User_talk:Jdforrester|(talk)]] 05:33, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * '''Keep''', move to Wikisource. - [[User:Amgine|Amgine]] 06:16, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+* '''Keep''', move lyrics to Wikisource, if it would not be a copyvio. [[User:Mikkalai|Mikkalai]] 07:10, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+*'''Merge''' with [[Alabama]] and trim to omit lyrics --[[User:Tony Sidaway|Tony Sidaway]]|[[User talk:Tony Sidaway|Talk]] 12:52, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+*Keep. Already a good stub, with a stub notice. As for the lyrics, we have them for many [[national anthem]]s, including [[Advance Australia Fair]] (two versions), [[La Marseillaise]] and [[The Star Spangled Banner]]. So why not state songs? Alabama is bigger than some countries (although not those three). [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 13:09, 30 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' There is a [[:Category:U.S. state songs]] that is collecting the lyrics to all the official state songs, which seems worthwhile. [[User:Sortior|Sortior]] 19:59, Dec 30, 2004 (UTC)
+*'''Delete'''. [[User:Megan1967|Megan1967]] 01:26, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+*Weak '''keep.''' Transwiki the lyrics to Wikisource. And write an article on [[Alabama song (song)]]: "Oh, show us, the way to the next whiskey-bar/Oh, don't ask why/Oh don't ask why/For we must find the next whiskey-bar/For if we don't find the next whiskey-bar/I tell you we must die/I tell you we must die/I tell you, I tell you, I tell you we must die!/Oh moon of Alabama/We now must say goodbye/We've lost our good old Mama/And must have whiskey, oh you know why." [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 02:35, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+** This may be the first time I've seen a likely copyvio in a VfD discussion. But, yes, that song does deserve an article, although [[Alabama Song]] will do for an article name. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 08:10, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
+::::Fair use! fair use! This is scholarly discussion! (This '''is''' scholarly discussion, right?) [[User:Dpbsmith|Dpbsmith]] [[User_talk:dpbsmith|(talk)]] 01:35, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
+***Comment: It would need a 3-way disambig, it's also the name of track 8 on [[Harvest (1972 album)]], which IMO wouldn't qualify for its own article but which got a lot of airplay and people will search for it. No change of vote. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 19:37, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)
+****Again, that's a song called "Alabama", not "Alabama Song". -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 21:44, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
+*****Aha! So we have two songs called ''Alabama'' and one called ''Alabama Song'', and an article called ''Alabama (song)'' about one of the songs called ''Alabama'' [[user:andrewa/sandbox#whew|(whew)]]. IMO we need to disambiguate all three songs, exactly how doesn't worry me. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] 00:49, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
+****** Disambig as you will, but I've started an article at [[Alabama Song]] on the Brecht/Weill song. It's a stub, help is welcome. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 21:47, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
+*Keep, on the same basis as national anthems. Don't care either way on whether lyrics are moved to Wikisource. -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 08:10, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
+*Keep article, keep lyrics. [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 22:33, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
+:In any case the author of the lyrics died in 1918, these are in the public domain.[[User:Sortior|Sortior]] 22:44, Dec 31, 2004 (UTC)
+*Transwiki the lyrics.  Discussion of the song should really place it in ''Mahogony,'' as well as Brecht's life/Weil's career, and the hundreds of remakes of it.  A discussion would be encyclopedic, because this particular Brecht/Weil song has a place in the Modernist theater, pop music, and all sorts of people trying to be daring with their song choices.  [[User:Geogre|Geogre]] 13:39, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)
+** No, no, that's not the song here, this is about the state song of [[Alabama]]... We are all ''so'' confused. Show ''me'' the way... -- [[User:Jmabel|Jmabel]] | [[User talk:Jmabel|Talk]] 21:47, Jan 1, 2005 (UTC)
+This page is now preserved as an archive of the debate and, like some other VfD subpages, is no longer 'live'. Subsequent comments on the issue, the deletion or on the decision-making process should be placed on the relevant 'live' pages. '''Please do not edit this page'''.
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