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Proposed deletion of Simon R. Gladdish

The article Simon R. Gladdish has been proposed for deletion because, under Wikipedia policy, all newly created biographies of living persons must have at least one reference to a reliable source that directly supports material in the article.

If you created the article, please don't be offended. Instead, consider improving the article. For help on inserting references, see Referencing for beginners, or ask at the help desk. Once you have provided at least one reliable source, you may remove the {{prod blp}} tag. Please do not remove the tag unless the article is sourced. If you cannot provide such a source within ten days, the article may be deleted, but you can request that it be undeleted when you are ready to add one. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 00:23, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Your article

Riccardito, please, do not publish your article about Simon R. Gladdish here. That's the wrong place; I have already moved it to Simon R. Gladdish once. Please, make your edits to the latter page. In a short time I'll have to delete Wikipedia:WikiProject Keep It Simple, but I don't want you to lose your work, so, please, copy and paste it on Simon R. Gladdish. If you need any further help, please feel free to contact me on my talk page. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 00:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Beneath you'll find the text of your article. Please, add it to Simon R. Gladdish and not to Wikipedia:WikiProject Keep It Simple. That's not the correct place to publish your article...

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Carl Van Raay The Price of Passion Dany Post Colours of Istanbul Simon R. Gladdish is a British poet and was born in Kampala, Uganda in 1957. His family returned to Britain in 1961, to Reading where he grew up. Educated at University College Oxford and Fitzwilliam College Cambridge Universities, he trained as an English Language Teacher, a profession which enabled him to live and work for many years in Spain, France, Turkey, Tunisia and Kuwait. Domiciled near Swansea since 1992, he has no plans to return to the land of his father. In 1999 Poet Laureate Andrew Motion wrote to him saying 'I love the energy of your poems.' Simon strongly believes that poetry ought to be enjoyable, entertaining and enlightening. He has written and has had published ten collections of poetry and one of aphorisms which are available on Amazon Kindle Works that have captured the public's imagination are, Back to Basics, Images of Istanbul, Seasonal Affective Disorder and Homage to Edward Lear: 250 Limericks ' A selection of poems from Images of Istanbul are featured in the travel book Colours of Istanbul by the Dutch photographer, Dany Post, and have also appeared in The Price of Passion, by best selling Australian author Carla Van Raay. In tone his poems range from humour to cynicism to naked, unashamed romanticism. Simon R Gladdish lives near Swansea with his wife the artist, Rusty Gladdish.

Cheers. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 01:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Riccardito. You have new messages at Salvio giuliano's talk page.
Message added 14:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

And again. Cheers. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 00:54, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

February 2012

Your addition has been removed, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without permission from the copyright holder. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other websites or printed material; such additions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of article content such as sentences or images. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. 99.12.241.215 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps WP:COI is relevant here, too.... 99.12.241.215 (talk) 14:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Problems with copyright!!!!

Hello Salvio

Many apologies for using incorrect information. I am still on a very steep learning curve. I have re-edited the article again and removed some new information in case this breaches copyright laws on Wiki.

Regards from Riccardito (talk) 15:33, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Salvio

Is it possible to remove the fourth tag on my article please? I think I now understand the problem and will try to see that it doesn't happen again. However, it's very disappointing to see that after all my hours of work trying to teach myself how to insert quote boxes, info boxes, and insert photos correctly whilst adhereing to the strict Wikipedia rules that this tag is now on my article. I am now working on citations and external references for the article. It would be good to hear from you when you have a moment.

Regards Riccardito (talk) 16:07, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

If you're referring to the peacock tag, it's there for good reason:

Heavily influenced by Victorian geniuses like Robert Browning, Lewis Carroll and Edward FitzGerald (poet), his poetry is lyrical, philosophical and frequently very funny. His second book, Back to Basics (1996), is a Z-A Abecedary of amusing poems 'for children, intelligent adults and extra-terrestrials'.

He is a master of most poetic forms from the Haiku in English to the Clerihew and in the 21st century has made a major contribution to the limerick (poetry) form with his companion volumes:- Homage to Edward Lear: 250 Libellous Limericks & Hillimericks. Hillimericks is a hilarious lengthy satirical account of the American Presidential Primaries 2008 written entirely in rhyming limericks.

His poetry, although apparently traditional, is often innovatory in terms of stanza shape and in 1997 he stretched the haiku form by inventing the 'tie-break haiku' which is a three line poem composed of twenty words or fewer (including the title). In the same year he also wrote his long poem on the nature of Time, Seasonal Affective Disorder, which is both a philosophic meditation and a serious attempt to revive the moribund tradition of epic poetry.

His profound sense impressions of his experiences in this, one of the most exotic and fascinating cities in the world, were the guiding force behind his books:- Images of Istanbul & Original Cliches.

None of this is sourced, and most is written in a promotional tone, hence the implication that you are close to the subject. For the record, I removed the apparent copyright violations. Apparently the article has been up for two weeks, and it still doesn't have a single reliable source to support notability. In this vein WP:AUTHOR is the relevant guideline. Thank you, 99.12.241.215 (talk) 16:27, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello Salvio

Thanks for your prompt reply! Thank you also for your constructive comments. I have now read through your remarks and also the WP Author guidelines. I can amend the article and make it more objective and factual (plus search for more references etc as mentioned previously). I write reviews and short stories so perhaps my writing style does tend to adversely influence the tone. I do actually know the subject and perhaps I should point out that I am female. (I used a male username because all the names I put in kept coming up 'already in use') For people new to Wikipedia editing it can be quite daunting but a great challenge too. Have a nice evening.

Regards Riccardito (talk) 17:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Riccardito, I understand that editing Wikipedia can be confusing for the newcomer--I'm not Salvio, but a different user who's come across the article. You need not reveal any personal information here, though it was fairly obvious that conflict of interest was likely. You're a fine writer, but one of the cornerstones of an encyclopedia is the adherence to neutrality of tone; another is the necessity of reliable sources. Favorable qualitative statements that are unreferenced look promotional--i.e., from whence derives the assessment that he's a master of poetic forms, is innovatory, is reviving a moribund tradition, and that his work is amusing and hilarious? Even a compliment taken from a personal letter is problematic as a source--people often write assessments privately, but we must rely on that which has been shared publicly. Unless Mr. Gladdish is himself the subject of multiple articles, then notability is still under question, hence the maintenance templates amassing atop the article. If you can find reliable sources please add them, they'll help immensely. Thanks, 99.12.241.215 (talk) 20:12, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello

I have amended and deleted some items in the article to make it more neutral. As I am a newbie hopefully people will be patient while I research the references. However I will continue o expand the article. Thank you.

Riccardito (talk) 23:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Simon R. Gladdish

The article Simon R. Gladdish has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Doesn't appear notable; primarily promotional in tone, with likely conflict of interest; Google search doesn't look helpful: [1]

While all contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, content or articles may be deleted for any of several reasons.

You may prevent the proposed deletion by removing the {{proposed deletion/dated}} notice, but please explain why in your edit summary or on the article's talk page.

Please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Removing {{proposed deletion/dated}} will stop the proposed deletion process, but other deletion processes exist. In particular, the speedy deletion process can result in deletion without discussion, and articles for deletion allows discussion to reach consensus for deletion. 99.12.241.215 (talk) 13:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but the article is still pretty blatantly non-neutral, and lacks verifiable sources to support notability, let alone the numerous claims, as shown above. 99.12.241.215 (talk) 13:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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Please remove the deletetion tag from my article. I view it as unnecessarily draconian as I am still working on the article to improve it. I have been in continual communication with you and consider your actions, rightly or wrongly, to be extremely unfair. I am not able to work on the article 24/7 and need more time.

Riccardito (talk) 23:09, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Actually, given the numerous warnings and suggestions over the past two weeks, the multiple article issues, and the continued lack of reliable sources to support any of the article's specific claims, or the broader issue of notability, the template is not at all unfair. At the moment it's a step up from a vanity piece. Should it be removed I'd suggest a WP:AFD process, where other editors are invited to weigh in. What you can do, should the article be deleted--and there's no presumption that it will be--is move it to a user work space [2] and continue working on it there, adding sources which would remove the current concerns. 99.12.242.7 (talk) 03:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello

I have been trying to add/insert 2 more references to my list but keep getting the red cite error message. I have been putting in

==References==

The number appears but not the text. Any answers?

Thanks

Riccardito (talk) 17:08, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

If the references are not first added inline using this , then the reflist won't show them. But initially I wouldn't worry about the inline cites, and just add the references individually at the end of the article. They'll be most effective if they link to online sources that support the content. 99.12.242.7 (talk) 17:24, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Thank you for your additional constructive comments. I may take your advice and move the article to the link you suggest and work on it there. I have spent this afternoon working on it. There needs to be some re-writing and I am trying to include more relevant links and references. Although the Reflist is proving to be a problem but nothing that can't be solved.

Regards from

Riccardito (talk) 17:27, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

the page for the poet Simon R Gladdish

Yesterday afternoon my article was vandalised by someone who had changed it into nonsense. Today the 'Works' part has been deleted. What to do now?

the page for the poet Simon R Gladdish

I have also noticed that the few ratings I had have been tampered with and have been changed! It would be good to discuss an 'undeletion' of this part of the article with somneone.

Nomination of Simon R. Gladdish for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Simon R. Gladdish is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon R. Gladdish until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on good quality evidence, and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. JFHJr (㊟) 16:35, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

After reading your talk page, I thought I'd follow up with some suggestions, in case you decide to participate in the deletion discussion.

1. Please don't take the nomination personally in any event; questions of notability are being made in good faith.
2. In light of this, please have a look at WP:OTHERSTUFF (that other non-notable BLPs may exist doesn't relieve any of them of having to demonstrate notability if questioned).
3. Please also consider looking at WP:OWN (you repeatedly call the article yours), and WP:MERCY (you said here that you need more time to work). If you need your very own time and space, please consider making a WP:DRAFT instead of an actual article.
4. Finally, if you're associated with the subject, or if you are in fact the subject, please see also WP:COI for pointers on conflicts of interest.

Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 16:48, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello

Thank you for your humane reply and your useful comments. It's good to have things explained. It is of course very disappointing to see the article is still being threatened with deletion even after all the changes I have made. After the Vandalisation yesterday and the deletion of one whole section today I'm not sure which way to go. Just for the record, I am NOT the subject but do know the subject vey well. The subject is very well known in the poetry world and his poetry has been read by thousands of people. He is considered by many to be the scourge of the poetry establishment and very keen on Poetry for the people. I thought this person would make a good subject for a Wiki entry. I was still working on the piece before deletion occured and had been ready to remove and redit more of the text. I have been given a link that will allow me to work on the piece in isolation from the main page but haven't had a chance to explore that option yet.

I am a retired English language teacher (TEFL) and have travelled widely but not to Japan.( A culture which I love and admire.) I thought attemtping a Wikipedia edit would be a challenge and it's certainly been that so far. I Will now look at all the links that have been provided.

Thank you for your time

Riccardito (talk) 17:43, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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OK! In the last twenty minutes the ratings have been removed from the article and a name in the biography section had the blue word 'who?' next to it. Summary deletions and articles changed into gibberish (yesterday). Blood sport for the Vandals and Trolls!!! LOL!!! So in that great British tradition of exits 'I'm offski!' for a holiday from Wiki!!

Riccardito (talk) 18:24, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm afraid you don't understand Wikipedia, and apparently haven't absorbed the guidelines. If you continue to remove citation tags from unsourced content it will be considered vandalism. Likewise, referring to contributors who are editing per guidelines as vandals and trolls is akin to making attacks. When a contributor writes an article about an entity, it's their responsibility to establish the subject's significance through reliable sources. That hasn't been done here, despite several weeks of patient explanation from several editors. What has ensued is a proverbial stamping of feet over not getting one's way. Again, please contribute with respect to guidelines for notability, sources, and now WP:CIVILITY. Thank you, 99.12.242.7 (talk) 18:39, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

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Hello

There seems to be some confusion here. I am not aware that I have removed any citations. The article has been partly deleted but not by me. I have tried to do everything you have suggested and yes, I am finding the information overwhelming as someone who is new to Wiki. Two hours ago every time I checked the page something had been changed in a negative and teasing way. I notice it has now been changed back again. Yesterday the page was changed to gibberish. Very amusing but frustrating too. I notice you do not allude that. Rightly or wrongly I feel under attack from anonymous sources and trying to create an article on Wiki has become so stressful and upsetting it has lost its lustre. I think I need a cooling off period from this and will be taking a break.

Riccardito (talk) 20:51, 12 February 2012 (UTC)