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== A barnstar for you! == |
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{{welcome}} [[User:Amren|Amren]] <sup><small><font color="#63B8FF">[[User_talk:Amren|(talk)]]</font></small></sup> 21:01, 17 September 2005 (UTC) |
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==Your photos== |
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Gidday, just wanted to say that I really like your photos. We have a [[Portal:New Zealand|New Zealand portal]] page which has a new featured article and featured picture each week, and I've put several pictures of yours in the queue, starting next Sunday. Look at the talk page of the portal for the upcoming pictures and articles.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 23:06, 17 September 2005 (UTC) |
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:Thanks. I've been adding them more or less in the order I took them, so next it's on to East Cape and south from there. Ending up in Waitomo several weeks later. Next year I'll be snapping away on The South Island.[[User:JShook|JShook]] 23:09, 17 September 2005 (UTC) |
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|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 3px 3px 0 3px; height: 1.5em;" | '''The Original Barnstar''' |
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | Dear Mr. Shook, |
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we would like to use your following picture (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sulpherous_Fumeroles.jpg) for our magazine (print) for homeopathy. Is it possible to mention the short license text (e. g. © James Shook/Wikipedia)? |
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:By the way, if you have broadband, you can see lots of photos at http://www.jshook.com/nz05/ |
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The GDFL license text is so long, it would be hard to print it exactly. |
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My Mailadress is: womoeglich@gmail.com |
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== How to delete photos == |
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Yours sincerly |
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You mentioned on the new user page that you wanted to delete photos (and if you upload a bunch you should learn this anyway). Media cannot be deleted without [[Wikipedia:Administrator|administrator]] privileges (sorry, can't help you there). Check out [[Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion|this link]]. [[User:HereToHelp|HereToHelp]] 01:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC) |
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Andreas Möglich [[User:Gonzales-2000|Gonzales-2000]] ([[User talk:Gonzales-2000|talk]]) 13:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC) |
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J Shook has rarely contributed to Wikipedia since 2006, so he or she may not see your message for some time. Unfortunately, unless you hear from Shook otherwise, you must adhere to the terms of the GFDL when using this image. Wikipedia stopped accepted GFDL as an appropriate license some years ago because it is onerous to comply with, but existing images cannot be re-licensed without the approval of the originator.-<span style="font-family:cursive; color:grey;">[[User talk:gadfium|gadfium]]</span> 06:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC) |
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: Thank you for that link. I already heard from another person that I could use a different method ( <nowiki>{{deletebecause|reason for deletion}}</nowiki> ) which got them deleted right away. The instructions on the page for which you gave me the link are more complete and cover all reasons for deletion (I was just deleting my own photos because I had found a better version.) I have bookmarked the page. Thank you for responding. [[User:JShook|JShook]] | [[User talk:Name|Talk]] 11:47, 27 September 2005 (UTC) |
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== File:Kerikeri Rewas Village n.jpg listed for deletion == |
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A file that you uploaded or altered, [[:File:Kerikeri Rewas Village n.jpg]], has been listed at [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion]]. Please see the [[Wikipedia:Files for deletion/2015 October 15#File:Kerikeri Rewas Village n.jpg|'''discussion''']] to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. <!-- Template:Fdw --> [[User:Sfan00 IMG|Sfan00 IMG]] ([[User talk:Sfan00 IMG|talk]]) 16:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC) |
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==About your images== |
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(''This is copied from my response to your post on the Help Desk.'' [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:42, 15 October 2005 (UTC)) |
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Under the [[GFDL]] you retain the image copyright, '''but''' you grant a permenant, world-wide, non-revocable licence to anyone to '''use''' the image (the same applies to any text you write and post) provided that such use complies with the [[GFDL]] which basically means that proper credit must be provided, and free access must be given. You retain the copyright, but you effectively give anyone anywhere the right to reproduce or modify the image, and use it in any publication -- provided that publication is released under the [[GFDL]]. When you upload content there is boilerplate that says you are releasing any content for which you hold copyright under the [[GFDL]] -- this applies unless you made it '''very''' clear that you did not grant this licence. Simply saying "I retain copyright" does not do that, since a GFDL uploader retains copyright. |
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However, if you upload a lower res version of each such image under a different file name, replace the uses in articles of the high-res with the lower res versions, and place a note on the talk page of the high res version requesting deletion, you may get it. If you do this and send me a note with links to the images involved on my talk page, I will see what I can do to assist you. I am an admin. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:36, 15 October 2005 (UTC) |
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:You responded, in part: ''(Later...) OK, now I get it. Duh.'' |
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:''"Orphan" the existing image page by uploading a copy of the same image with a different name, and point the reference in the article to the image with the new name. Once that is done, the current image will be pointing to no pages. I can then mark the image for deletion as redundant, and--I'm making a big guess here--all of the previous versions of the image will be deleted at the same time. I.e., all images listed on a graphics page will be deleted when the page itself is deleted.'' |
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:''Yes?'' |
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:''How do I guarantee that The Powers That Be will consent to having the (now old) image deleted?'' |
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::Yes exactly. You get it. That is the route to take, IMO. And I '''cannot''' guarentee that the higher resolution versions will then be deleted. Once content has been validly added, it requires community consensus to delete it entirely -- which is what you are asking for. Note that this descision is not made by "the powers that be" it is made by the entire wikipedia community -- or whichever members choose to express an opnion when the images are listed on [[WP:IFD|the image deletion page]]. You get to express your opnion, I get to express mine, and anyone else who choses gets to express his or hers. If you can convince enough of those who see the image deletion discussion that it would be the right thing to delete the higher resolution versions, then they '''will''' be deleted. Otherwise not. And your vote will count as much as anyone's. So will mine, no more, no less. |
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::As an admin, I have the power to simply unilaterally delete the images, but that would violate wikipedia policy, which i promised to uphold as a condition of becoming an admin, so i won't do that. What I can and will do is join the deletion debate, and help present arguments in favor of deletion, ones that I think will be likely to be listened to there. '''IF''', that is, the images have already been repalced by lower-res versions still suitable for illustrating the relevant articles. |
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::When you uploaded the images, you '''agreed''' to give wikipedia and through wikipedia, anyone in the world, the right to '''use''' those images, provided that they did so in compliance with the [[GFDL]]. You may not have fully realized it, but that is what you did, and you don't have the right to simply take back that gift now. |
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::However i think you have a reasonable case to substitute the lower res images, and have us accept those as a replacement. I think and hope that teh wikipedia community will chose to do the right thing in this case, whatever the legal rights involved. (I am assuming the accuracy of the account you posted on the help desk, of course.) |
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::By the way, you mentioned the use of the {{tl|db}} tag. this is a request for speedy deletion. It only appluies to pages that meet a fairly strict set of criteria [[WP:CSD|detailed here]]. From your description i don't think these images qualify for that, but if you think they do you can place db with an explanation of why on the image page. Note that you can't ans for just the older versions to be deleted -- the image page with '''all''' its versions is deleted in such a case. |
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::I hope you choose to continue to contribute to wikipedia. But you should clearly understand from now on that when you post text or upload images, you are permitting '''anyone''' to use or change that text and those images, and this is not a permission you can retract later. |
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::I hope this has been helpful to you. If you have more questions, Feel free to sk and I will try to respond as promptly as I can, or refer you to soemone else if I don't know the answer. |
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::If you follow my adviace, and want me to join the deletion discussion when you propose the high-res images for deleteion, notify me on my talk page when you have listed them on [[WP:IFD]]. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 03:52, 16 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Another user's comments on your help desk request == |
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(''Copied from the help desk'') |
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I think we should respect this user's wishes and delete the high-res versions; obviously he doesn't want them here. Yes, he technically released the large ones, but we can keep the high-res images against his wishes and alienate a contributor who has enthusiasm for the project and may well continue to contribute the smaller images (and he has contributed [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=75&target=JShook&namespace=6 quite a few]), or we can delete them, and keep the smaller but still quite good and suitable for most uses versions. Frankly I think it doesn't matter whether we're legally allowed to keep them or not; what's the right thing to do in this case? (I don't see these on IfD yet; has someone listed them already? An explanatory note that the listing applies to only the high-res versions should suffice.)[[User:Mindspillage|Mindspillage]] [[User talk:Mindspillage|(spill yours?)]] 04:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC) |
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:I concur. I was the user who first suggested he put {{tl|db}} tags on images he no longer wanted on Wikipedia, since at that point the images had never been displayed on a page and it seemed simpler than going through IFD. I didn't want to delete his images myself, as I'm not normally involved in image deletion. Now, IFD is more appropriate, but I will support any request from JShook to delete his images. |
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:JShook, I hope you will continue to contribute your images to Wikipedia with whatever resolution you wish; you're a talented photographer and both Wikipedia and the public benefit from your contributions. I regret that others have offended you with narrow interpretations of the licenses for your images; well meaning Wikipedians wish to keep your support and contributions.-[[User:Gadfium|gadfium]] 08:17, 16 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Your trial ballon == |
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It looks to me as if you had done everything correctly, and i expect this will work. The instructions on [[WP:IFD]] say: "Images that have been listed for more than 5 days are eligible for deletion if either a consensus to do so has been reached or no objections to deletion have been raised." this means that they stay listed for 5 days. No particular number of votes is required. after 5 days an admin will look through the discussion. If everyone or the greater part of those who comment favor deletion, the admin will delete the image and log the discussion. If serious arguments are raised against deltetion, the admin will look at both the number and the arguments. In general if 2/3 or more of those who comment favor deletion that will be considered a consensus for deeltion, but it is '''not''' strictly a matter of counting votes. the closing admin will also consider the quality of the arguments made by each person who comments, and whether any objections raist to deletion have been reasonably answered. In this case i expect it to go your way. You can proceed with the rest of your images whenever you wish -- you can do them all at omce if you choose. |
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Next time it will same me a bit of time if you include the name of the image being proposed for deltion in your note to me, preferably in the form of a wikilink (like this <nowiki>[[:Image:Auckland Ferry Terminal.jpg]]</nowiki> -- which produces [[:Image:Auckland Ferry Terminal.jpg]]). I'm glad to have been of some help. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:00, 16 October 2005 (UTC) |
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:Followup -- this looks on track for deletion. So far everyone who has commented is in favor of deletion. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:45, 17 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Your problems with wikipedia == |
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You mention the problem that when you uploaded a new version of an image, the old was not replaced. In a sense it was, the new version becaue "the" image under that name and would be the version used in articles linking to that name. The problemn is that for '''any''' edit, not just uploads, wikipedia retains '''all''' prior versions of the page unless the entire page is deleted, or unusual manipulations of the database are made. This is what enables the history tab and the revert feature, and it is how all wikis workj. it is different from the way most other computer systems work, and i am very sorry that you were confused by it. |
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You indiacted tha wikipedia's help pages were not particualrly helpful to you. The help pages, like the reast of wikipedia, are freely editable. You can simply make changes to them, or if you don't feel comfy doing that, or don't want to take the time, please leavbe me a note indiacting as precisely as you can what page or pages were not helpful, and what info those pages failed to supply or how they were confusing. I'll dio what I can to improve them. Wikipedia is definately a work in progress. |
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Thank you again for your contributions. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 23:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Help system issues == |
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I understand your frustration. There is to some extent an assumption the people won't be trying some things, like listing images for deletion, or creating non-default sigs (even though a talk page link is som much better that it should be the default) until they have been here long enough to have a fair understanding of wiki-markup, transclusion, and how wikipedia works generally. This is partly because the help pages, like all pages here, are written piecemeal by volunteers. |
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If you search on any target, at the bottom of the results page is an "advanced search" which allows you to repeat your search, or to conduct a different search, and to select what name spaces your search will cover. One of the availabe namespaces is Help. Another is Help Talk, that is pages where people have made comments about help pages and how they could be improved. Also, in your preferences, you cna change which namespace the basic "search" searches by default. I hope this is some help. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 14:52, 17 October 2005 (UTC) |
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:If you search on any text (such as "test"), at the bottom of the result page (you will probably need to scroll down) is an area with another search box and a series of check boxes. I thought that at one time this was labelled "Advanced search" but the text near by is now "Search in namespaces". You can check the namespaces in whiuch you wnat the search to be conducted. |
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:The "namespace" is simply the prefix before the page name. The Main or article namespace is composed of pages with no prefix at all. The talk namespace is composed of those pages with names that begin "Talk:". Those pages are used to discuss articels. The User namespace is composed of those pages with names that begin "User:" such as [[User:JShook]]. These pages are used to describe users. The User talk namespace is composed of pages that begin "User Talk:" like this page. It is used for communication among users. The Wikipedia namespace and Wikipedia Talk namespace is used for policy statments, guidelines, proposals, administrative pages, Help fora (like the Help desk) and for pages that discuss these. and the Help namespace consists of pages whose titles start with "Help:" it is is where most of the help pages are. many programming languages have some concept of namespace, so this was a familure idea to the first users, i suspect. It probably is something we should explain more clearly. |
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:In any case, by using the checkboxes you can conduct a search in the help and help talk namespaces. Doing this led me to the page [[Help:Preferences]], which in turn linked to the page [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages#Customizing your signature]] via [[Wikipedia:Username#Signatures]]. Do you think the explantaions on those pages are unclear? A separate issue is how to make those pages easier for people to find. [[User:DESiegel|DES]] [[User talk:DESiegel|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] 16:35, 17 October 2005 (UTC) |
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== Image comment == |
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[[Image:Whakatane Harbour n.jpg|thumb|right]] |
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[[Image:Whanganui River n.jpg|thumb|right]] |
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These images are first rate. Thank you. -[[User:Wsiegmund|Walter Siegmund]] 22:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC) |
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:: Thanks. The Whakatane photo could really be just about anywhere. But the only other pictures I had of Whakatane were either more sunsets or ones of a pub/hotel. So I fugured this one at least told you that the town was near the sea. The Whanganui River picture was taken after an exhasuting three-hour drive along the Whanganui river road. I was just so relieved to be off the winding, hilly and rock-strewn unsealed road that I took a look back and that's what I saw. [[User:JShook|JShook]] 13:17, 22 October 2005 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 16:07, 15 October 2015
A barnstar for you!
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The Original Barnstar |
| Dear Mr. Shook,
we would like to use your following picture (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Sulpherous_Fumeroles.jpg) for our magazine (print) for homeopathy. Is it possible to mention the short license text (e. g. © James Shook/Wikipedia)? The GDFL license text is so long, it would be hard to print it exactly. My Mailadress is: womoeglich@gmail.com Yours sincerly Andreas Möglich Gonzales-2000 (talk) 13:28, 22 March 2013 (UTC) |
J Shook has rarely contributed to Wikipedia since 2006, so he or she may not see your message for some time. Unfortunately, unless you hear from Shook otherwise, you must adhere to the terms of the GFDL when using this image. Wikipedia stopped accepted GFDL as an appropriate license some years ago because it is onerous to comply with, but existing images cannot be re-licensed without the approval of the originator.-gadfium 06:17, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
File:Kerikeri Rewas Village n.jpg listed for deletion
[edit]A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Kerikeri Rewas Village n.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 16:07, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
