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== Three-revert rule ==


== regarding format, tos, and youtube/internet celebrities ==
It is important that you familiarise yourself with the [[WP:3RR|three-revert rule]]. Please read the linked article. Thanks. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 02:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


hey FNMF, thanks alot it was rather confusing. do you use wikipedia. i had question for you articles regarding "internet celebrities". i find it unethical and confusing that all these "youtube" vloggers are creating articles on wikipedia to help propagate "their careers or so-called success". it's pretty disturbing. any thoughts or advice ? am i looking into this too much [[User:Sexyorge|Sexyorge]]r
:As I said, the issue of "potentially libelous information" was already addressed. The material is based on reliable sources. It's accurate and relevant. So that exception ''doesn't apply'' in this case. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 02:57, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


:::oh ok great thanks again[[User:Sexyorge|Sexyorge]]
::"''The fact that some people have "discussed" the material and do not think it libelous does not make it not libelous.''" True, but the fact that you claim it's "potentially libelous" without bothering to support the allegation doesn't make what you say true. The issue has been discussed. You can't simply declare the arguments invalid by fiat without bothering to address the issues. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 03:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


==Factory farming RfM==
Nope, you have cited policy, but you haven't made any attempt to show how these policies apply, or why the arguments made previously are invalid. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 03:31, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
A [[WP:RFM|request for mediation]] has been filed with the [[WP:MC|Mediation Committee]] that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/factory_farming]], and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to [[Wikipedia:Mediation]]. '''There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible.''' [[User:Jav43|Jav43]] 17:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)


== BLP and Aiken ==
== Warning about your edits to [[Christopher Michael Langan]] ==


Thanks for deleting those passages in the Aiken entry. Thirteen archived talk pages and a failed cabal mediation attest to the degree of controversy over this material, and I will not be surprised if there are those who insist that the media & controversies section is now incomplete, especially after Ken did away with that whole segment. Things have changed at Wikipedia since that section was originally written, especially when it comes to BLP, but I'll be really surprised if this stands without argument. Note for example [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Clay_Aiken&diff=72403661&oldid=72401225 this August 2006 edit/edit comment] on the Aiken page by an editor who edited the JP entry as recently as a few days ago. I hope you will be willing to support the editors if a debate on [[Talk:Clay_Aiken]] should arise. A comment from you on [[Talk:Clay_Aiken]] explaining your edits would be a helpful proactive move. Thank you. -[[User:Jmh123|Jmh123]] 22:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Please read [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#Asmodeus_banned]] and [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#DrL_2]] and note the passage that says "''All remedies which apply to Asmodeus also apply to DrL and, after warning accompanied by a link to this matter, to any other user with a similar editing pattern.''" This is a warning that you have definitely exhibited a similar editing pattern and may be blocked for walking in their footsteps. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 03:21, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


:I'm bringing this out of your archive as it has become relevant again, but deleted irrelevant comments. Today the regular editors are being asked to defend and explain your deletions. I hope you will come to the [[Talk: Clay Aiken|Aiken talk page]] and do so. The relevant discussion begins here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clay_Aiken#Are_You_Serious.3F] and continues here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Clay_Aiken#Controversies_and_media_focus]. Thanks. By the way, the article has been completely rewritten, and all controversies incorporated into the text, rather than placing them in a separate section. -[[User:Jmh123|Jmh123]] 00:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
:That's a good point. [[User:Guettarda|Guettarda]] 03:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
== Melbourne Meetup ==
{{Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne/Invite}} Hello! The Melburnians are having another meet-up! Please consult [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne_8|this page]] if you are interested to participate in the discussion! Thanks! [[User:Phgao|Phgao]] 03:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


==Bad ideas==
Yeah, I think I concur with you there. And that is why I spoke in private, just because, when I'm typing extemporaneously, trying to brainstorm without censoring my own thoughts, I'm bound to generate some bad ideas. I kinda had a feeling it wasn't a good idea going in, which is why I didn't press forward with it. Let bad ideas rest-- if I were to have acted on that argument (or even discussed it publicly), I don't think it would have persuaded the arbs anyway, and so it would have basically been pointless.


And the case soon to be over now anyway, so it's a moot issue. --[[User:Alecmconroy|Alecmconroy]] ([[User talk:Alecmconroy|talk]]) 10:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
===Blocked===


==Unreferenced BLPs==
You've been blocked for 48 hrs for the method of your participation at [[Christopher Michael Langan]] per [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#DrL_2]]; 24 hrs for walking in the footsteps of DrL and Asmodeus, and 24 hrs for personal attacks and disruption. Please use the time off to reconsider the method of your participation. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 03:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
[[File:Information.svg|30px]] Hello FNMF! Thank you for your contributions. I am a [[WP:BOT|bot]] alerting you that '''1''' of the articles that you created is tagged as an[[Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons#Sources| Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person]]. The [[WP:BLP|biographies of living persons]] policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to insure [[WP:VERRIFY|verifiability]], all biographies should be based on [[WP:RELIABLE|reliable sources]]. if you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current ''[[:Category:All_unreferenced_BLPs|{{PAGESINCATEGORY:All_unreferenced_BLPs}}]]'' article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{tl|unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:
:Bad move, FM. --[[User:Otheus|Otheus]] 04:07, 23 March 2007 (UTC)


# [[Robert Bierman]] - <small>{{findsources|Robert Bierman}}</small>
::If you are unclear how "''All remedies which apply to Asmodeus also apply to DrL <u>and, after warning accompanied by a link to this matter, to any other user with a similar editing pattern</u>.''" [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#DrL_2]] applies here I'd be happy to explain it to you on your talk page. Otherwise, I request that you do not cause yet another disturbance over my conducting my duties. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 04:20, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Thanks!--[[User:DASHBot|DASHBot]] ([[User talk:DASHBot|talk]]) 19:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)


== Re: Your post to [[User talk:Jimbo Wales]]==


== Melbourne meetup this Saturday ==
Jimbo very rarely intervenes in disputes. You may have more luck looking at [[Wikipedia:Contact us/Article problem]]. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(talk)</small>]] 08:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
{{Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne/Invite}}
:That's extremely unlikely. I urge you to follow other methods or your problem may be ignored. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] [[User talk:Deskana|<small>(talk)</small>]] 08:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
Hi there! You are cordially invited to a meetup at North Melbourne this Saturday (23 July). Details and an attendee list are at [[Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 16]] Hope to see you there! [[User:JVbot|JVbot]] ([[User talk:JVbot|talk]]) 05:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
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== [[WP:ACE2015|ArbCom elections are now open!]] ==
== Citations at [[Christopher Michael Langan]] ==


{{Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2015/MassMessage}} [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 16:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your positive work on the Langan bio! The references in question can be found at Langan's CTMU website. See http://www.ctmu.org/Q&A/Archive.html#CTMU, http://www.ctmu.org/Press/Esquire1.jpg, http://www.ctmu.org/Press/TheSmartGuy.pdf, http://www.ctmu.org/Press/MrUniverse/MUTitle.jpg, http://www.ctmu.org/Press/BBC.html, http://www.ctmu.org/CTMU/Articles/CTM.htm. I lack the technical expertise to edit the references myself or I would! --[[User:NightSky|NightSky]] 14:40, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
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:I mentioned this on the talk page of the article. Hope I didn't step on anyone's toes - seems like a lot of touchy editors over there! --[[User:NightSky|NightSky]] 15:12, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

== OTV ==

Nice touch ;) Good to see you have a sense of humor --[[User:Otheus|Otheus]] 01:49, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

== Block ==

{{unblock|improper block by involved editor without sufficient explanation}}
I have just been blocked by user FeloniousMonk for issues surrounding the entry on [[Christopher Michael Langan]]. This entry has been fraught for some months, but my contribution has been confined to the last week or so.

I acted several days ago on a longstanding request by the subject of the entry to remove what he considers a potentially libelous section of the entry. User [[Jimbo Wales]] judged the section to be blatant original research and deleted the section. This followed many months in which several editors, including FeloniousMonk, refused to see any problem with the section. Some editors were needless to say displeased with this correct decision by Mr Wales, and argued against it, although they did not try to re-place the deleted section.

I have provided extensive arguments on various other content issues to do with the entry. Progress was being made toward improving the article, but some users whom I consider clearly biased against the subject of the entry, had difficulty accepting these arguments. Other editors agreed with my arguments, which were extensively but politely put. Some editors changed their position on some issues, such as the issue of whether to include certain links, which user Arthur Rubin originally opposed the inclusion of (deleting them with little reason given), later acknowledging that inclusion of the links was legitimate.

FeloniousMonk is an editor involved with the entry, and he is blocking for reasons of a content dispute. This is in violation of policy. In addition, he has not provided ''any'' arguments why my edits are sanctionable. I do not believe there was a problem with my edits, the vast majority of which were confined to the talk page of the entry, and I would ask any administrator to examine my record. My userpage contains some links at the bottom to recent important edits in relation to this entry, including many by myself.

Some users implied that I was in fact a sock-puppet for the subject of the entry. I realised just before this block was placed that a checkuser request was conducted a couple of days ago that showed I was unrelated to Langan. I in fact live outside the United States, do not know the subject, am not a proponent of his ideas, and am not a proponent of intelligent design. I have stated this previously on several occasions. A link to the checkuser request is located at the bottom of my user page.

Furthermore, I am accused of making personal attacks. This refers to a comment I placed about a user on the talk page of the entry (a user with an IP address as an identity). The user has been disruptive, ignoring discussion on the talk page, and reverting legitimate good-faith edits without explanation. The comment I placed was not in any way a personal attack.

I would like to point out that I have been at pains to explain at length every element of my position on this entry. I believe the entry has suffered from editors who do not quite understand some important points, and who are inclined to introduce controversy and original resesarch into an entry about a living person. My intention has been to improve the entry, and I believe I have worked ''very'' patiently and fairly to do so.

This block is a clear violation of policy by an administrator, and an abuse of power. [[User:FNMF|FNMF]] 04:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

:If you are unclear how "''All remedies which apply to Asmodeus also apply to DrL <u>and, after warning accompanied by a link to this matter, to any other user with a similar editing pattern</u>.''" [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/ScienceApologist#DrL_2]] applies here I'd be happy to explain it to you. You may indeed not be a sockpuppet, but you are certainly an identical editing pattern at [[Christopher Michael Langan]] to {{user|Asmodeus}} and {{user|DrL}}; I view you more of a [[WP:SOCK#Meatpuppets|meatpuppet]] than a sockpuppet. [[User:FeloniousMonk|FeloniousMonk]] 04:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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regarding format, tos, and youtube/internet celebrities

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hey FNMF, thanks alot it was rather confusing. do you use wikipedia. i had question for you articles regarding "internet celebrities". i find it unethical and confusing that all these "youtube" vloggers are creating articles on wikipedia to help propagate "their careers or so-called success". it's pretty disturbing. any thoughts or advice ? am i looking into this too much Sexyorger

oh ok great thanks againSexyorge

Factory farming RfM

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A request for mediation has been filed with the Mediation Committee that lists you as a party. The Mediation Committee requires that all parties listed in a mediation must be notified of the mediation. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/factory_farming, and indicate whether you agree or refuse to mediate. If you are unfamiliar with mediation, please refer to Wikipedia:Mediation. There are only seven days for everyone to agree, so please check as soon as possible. Jav43 17:30, 8 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

BLP and Aiken

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Thanks for deleting those passages in the Aiken entry. Thirteen archived talk pages and a failed cabal mediation attest to the degree of controversy over this material, and I will not be surprised if there are those who insist that the media & controversies section is now incomplete, especially after Ken did away with that whole segment. Things have changed at Wikipedia since that section was originally written, especially when it comes to BLP, but I'll be really surprised if this stands without argument. Note for example this August 2006 edit/edit comment on the Aiken page by an editor who edited the JP entry as recently as a few days ago. I hope you will be willing to support the editors if a debate on Talk:Clay_Aiken should arise. A comment from you on Talk:Clay_Aiken explaining your edits would be a helpful proactive move. Thank you. -Jmh123 22:52, 13 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm bringing this out of your archive as it has become relevant again, but deleted irrelevant comments. Today the regular editors are being asked to defend and explain your deletions. I hope you will come to the Aiken talk page and do so. The relevant discussion begins here [1] and continues here [2]. Thanks. By the way, the article has been completely rewritten, and all controversies incorporated into the text, rather than placing them in a separate section. -Jmh123 00:24, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Melbourne Meetup

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Melbourne Meetup

See also: Australian events listed at Wikimedia.org.au (or on Facebook)

Hello! The Melburnians are having another meet-up! Please consult this page if you are interested to participate in the discussion! Thanks! Phgao 03:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Bad ideas

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Yeah, I think I concur with you there. And that is why I spoke in private, just because, when I'm typing extemporaneously, trying to brainstorm without censoring my own thoughts, I'm bound to generate some bad ideas. I kinda had a feeling it wasn't a good idea going in, which is why I didn't press forward with it. Let bad ideas rest-- if I were to have acted on that argument (or even discussed it publicly), I don't think it would have persuaded the arbs anyway, and so it would have basically been pointless.

And the case soon to be over now anyway, so it's a moot issue. --Alecmconroy (talk) 10:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unreferenced BLPs

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Hello FNMF! Thank you for your contributions. I am a bot alerting you that 1 of the articles that you created is tagged as an Unreferenced Biography of a Living Person. The biographies of living persons policy requires that all personal or potentially controversial information be sourced. In addition, to insure verifiability, all biographies should be based on reliable sources. if you were to bring this article up to standards, it would greatly help us with the current 9 article backlog. Once the article is adequately referenced, please remove the {{unreferencedBLP}} tag. Here is the article:

  1. Robert Bierman - Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs· FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Thanks!--DASHBot (talk) 19:47, 8 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


Melbourne meetup this Saturday

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Melbourne Meetup

See also: Australian events listed at Wikimedia.org.au (or on Facebook)

Hi there! You are cordially invited to a meetup at North Melbourne this Saturday (23 July). Details and an attendee list are at Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne 16 Hope to see you there! JVbot (talk) 05:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC) (this automated message was delivered to all users at Wikipedia:Meetup/Melbourne/Participants)[reply]

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