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==Welcome!==
==Welcome!==
I used to be Arbor832466 but for the sake of simplicity, I am now just Arbor8. Shorter name. Still me.
I used to be Arbor832466 but for the sake of simplicity, I am now just Arbor8. Shorter name. Still me.



== A barnstar for you! ==
== A barnstar for you! ==
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|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I hate to think what so many of our political bios would look like without your constant attention--biased left, biased right, unsourced mendacity, unsourced puffery. Your many contributions help maintain Wikipedia as a worthwhile resource in this important area. Well done! [[User:Hobbes Goodyear|Hobbes Goodyear]] ([[User talk:Hobbes Goodyear|talk]]) 03:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | I hate to think what so many of our political bios would look like without your constant attention--biased left, biased right, unsourced mendacity, unsourced puffery. Your many contributions help maintain Wikipedia as a worthwhile resource in this important area. Well done! [[User:Hobbes Goodyear|Hobbes Goodyear]] ([[User talk:Hobbes Goodyear|talk]]) 03:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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== Chris McDaniel ==

Forgive my ignorance. I'm learning. The descriptive opinionated language such as "accomplishments" and "important legislation" were removed. I think it works within the rules now. Please advise if you find something that is a red flag, and I will keep reading the provided links to be sure we're doing this correctly.

Thanks!! <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sippydog|Sippydog]] ([[User talk:Sippydog|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sippydog|contribs]]) 20:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:I'll reply on your Talk page. [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 20:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

== [[Mike Pompeo]] Article ==

Could you please take another look at the [[Mike Pompeo]] article, as it once again has major [[WP:NPOV]] Problems. Thanks, [[User:KingQueenPrince|King of Nothing]] ([[User talk:KingQueenPrince|talk]]) 10:41, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Please have the courtesy to let me know if you find a sentence objectionable rather than deleting the entire section containing it. I appreciate your editing, but in some cases you completely changed the meaning of what Mike Pompeo said (for example, he didn't allege that Muslim leaders who remained silent following the Boston Marathon bombing should be criticized, but that Muslim leaders HAD been silent which was empirically untrue and therefore defamatory).
I also responded to a King of Nothing request to provide a citation, only to have that citation removed, the reworded section removed, and the original section, complete with "citation needed" replaced 3 times.
It's important to remember that Mike Pompeo is a very controversial figure who has made his career largely by making extremely provocative statements, many of which are demonstrably false (one can count the number of Muslim organizations that criticized the Boston Marathon bombing or the parts per million of CO2 and number of deviant weather events, for example).
This is the Wikipedia policy on deletions: "When you find a passage in an article that is biased or inaccurate, improve it if you can; don't delete salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral. Include citations for any material you add. If you do not know how to fix a problem, ask for help on the talk page." [[User:Mvakkur|Mvakkur]] ([[User talk:Mvakkur|talk]]) 18:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

::King of Nothing, thanks for the heads up, I'll take a look later today. Mvakkur - your edits are inappropriate. I don't owe you anything beyond a courteous edit summary when I fix them. [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 13:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Cheers. [[User:KingQueenPrince|King of Nothing]] ([[User talk:KingQueenPrince|talk]]) 04:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

== Mark Pryor ==

You're right. I just didn't think it was relevant to the Wikipedia page. The information didn't seem connected to anything - are ailments included on the pages of most famous people? I removed it once. I won't remove it again. Sorry. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.19.210.69|24.19.210.69]] ([[User talk:24.19.210.69|talk]]) 21:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== A-hole Factor ==

Greetings, Since you've already weighed in on this subject at [[talk:David Schweikert]], would you mind also expressing your opinion on the topic at [[talk:Tim Huelskamp]] and [[talk:Justin Amash]]? Thanks.[[User:CFredkin|CFredkin]] ([[User talk:CFredkin|talk]]) 21:12, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:Will do. In other news, "The Asshole Factor" is going to be the name of my new reality TV show. :) [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 21:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

== Joni Ernst ==

'state senate' is not a proper noun without the name of the state. I have been correcting this mistake on Joni Ernst's page and Tiller54 and you have been changing it back. Why?

Iowa doesn't need to be mentioned three times in the into paragraph. That's exessive, don't you think?


And finally, a state senator who is running for the US Senate (as a Republican, also included) by definition is a politician. Do you disagree?
== Buchanan edits ==


I don't understand why Tiller54 is being so obdurate about reversing these improvements again and again. I'm just trying to improve the page . . .
Hi -


[[Special:Contributions/24.19.210.69|24.19.210.69]] ([[User talk:24.19.210.69|talk]]) 19:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your note re: my edits to Vern Buchanan's page. Please review my edits for neutral POV, and if I come off as biased, please let me know and edit/delete as you see fit. I was just trying to update for the new Congress with some properly-cited legislative issues (and the 'alleged' thing just caught my eye, as he hadn't been found guilty of anything yet, and I watch a lot of Law & Order :-).


:A number of editors disagree with your edits, and have stated their reasoning over and over again. Continued reverts (and sockpuppet accounts) amount to vandalism. Please stop. [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 20:52, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
Best.


== May 2014 ==
Jmaiella <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jmaiella|Jmaiella]] ([[User talk:Jmaiella|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jmaiella|contribs]]) 20:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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== Re Cotton Rogers ==
== Pingree ==


I was about to revert your recent edit (though I was beaten to it) because most pages here from what I see list spouses' occupations(such as [[Tom Brady#Personal life|Tom Brady]]). I would not support going into great detail about it unless it was relevant to the spouse(as his ownership of the newspapers is in Pingree's case) but it is relevant. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
I briefly edited under my IP address [[Special:Contributions/74.79.39.105|74.79.39.105]] before deciding to make my self avail to the benefits of an account (I'm not sure what your getting at) since i enjoyed editing so much. also I was not editing against consensus just against your opinions (and maybe one other person) also you grossly oversimplified my argument it was a lot more than "I liked the other way better" to be honest I thought you were editing against consensus I will keep on editing Kirsten Gillibrand you arguments are species at best <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Cotton Rogers|Cotton Rogers]] ([[User talk:Cotton Rogers|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Cotton Rogers|contribs]]) 17:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I don't see how. [[WP:OTHER|Other stuff]] always exists; that shouldn't affect the decisions we make in a particular article. [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 22:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
::For starters, knowing his occupation provides a clearer picture of her family life. If there was an article about him, I could see not including it(though other pages do even for people with their own articles), but I see no reason in this case to not be consistent with the rest of the encyclopedia. [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 22:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


== RFC ==
have changed wording and added both sides of the argument in attempt to satisfy both our concerns since your previous edit I believe was unneutral while my changes are neutral and give balance to both sides not one over the other any way let me know your opinion on the recent changes and additions as I find them fair and admit maybe my prevoius wording was a little hasty[[User:Cotton Rogers|Cotton Rogers]] ([[User talk:Cotton Rogers|talk]]) 18:09, 19 June 2012 (UTC)


There is an RFC ongoing on an article you recently edited. See [[Talk:Cory Gardner#RfC: Is it relevant to include Gardner's track record on specific issues?]] - [[User:Cwobeel|<span style="color:#339966">Cwobeel</span>]] [[User_talk:Cwobeel|<span style="font-size:80%">(talk)</span>]] 03:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
==Re Dean Dozen==
I think you definitely have a point with questioning the notable nature of my edits. I am making the changes for the sake of uniformity and updating outdated pages. A lot of these candidates don't even have mention of running an election in 2012. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Aesco77|Aesco77]] ([[User talk:Aesco77|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Aesco77|contribs]]) 19:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


== [[WP:ACE2015|ArbCom elections are now open!]] ==
==Re Robert Dold==
Hi Arbor8. Congressional Dold does not support a constitutional ban on gay marriage. I have checked with his office. This article you linked is mistaken. That's why, unless you have a quote of video footage of him saying as much, it should be removed. He is not in favor of gay marriage, but doesn't support a constitutional ban. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WIBSTRBS|WIBSTRBS]] ([[User talk:WIBSTRBS|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WIBSTRBS|contribs]]) 16:09, 4 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a publisher of original research. If you can find a reliable secondary source, then by all means make the edit. Please see [[WP:OR]] for more on the topic. [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 17:21, 4 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi,<br>
Hi Arbor. I understand, but as you can see on his website (http://www.doldforcongress.com/pages/social_issues/295.php), he never mentions supporting a constitutional ban on gay marriage. It is disingenuous to say otherwise. You are intentionally misrepresenting his position, and clearly your view is far from neutral. Don't you think if he supported something as drastic as a constitutional ban on an issue he would note it on his website? <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:WIBSTRBS|WIBSTRBS]] ([[User talk:WIBSTRBS|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/WIBSTRBS|contribs]]) 01:33, 6 September 2012 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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::The fact that he doesn't mention it on his website doesn't indicate anything other than that he doesn't mention it on his website. Any other extrapolation is your interpretation, which doesn't belong in an encyclopedia. [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 14:49, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
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:::WIBSTRBS, do you have any affiliation with the Dold campaign? [[User:Arbor8|Arbor8]] ([[User talk:Arbor8#top|talk]]) 14:50, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
No, but I think claim is extremely biased and unfounded. Encyclopedias don't just cite things as fact based on a single news source, especially if it's not based off a quote, photo, video, etc. I felt the claim that Robert Dold supports a constitutional ban on gay marriage sounded false, so I did my homework and even spoke to his office to confirm it's not true. It seems you have your own reasons to keep something you know to be untrue on Wikipedia, and so I'll take it up with the Wiki staff.

Latest revision as of 14:24, 24 November 2015

Welcome!

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I used to be Arbor832466 but for the sake of simplicity, I am now just Arbor8. Shorter name. Still me.

A barnstar for you!

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The Barnstar of Diligence
I hate to think what so many of our political bios would look like without your constant attention--biased left, biased right, unsourced mendacity, unsourced puffery. Your many contributions help maintain Wikipedia as a worthwhile resource in this important area. Well done! Hobbes Goodyear (talk) 03:04, 29 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Reference Errors on 4 April

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Chris McDaniel

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Forgive my ignorance. I'm learning. The descriptive opinionated language such as "accomplishments" and "important legislation" were removed. I think it works within the rules now. Please advise if you find something that is a red flag, and I will keep reading the provided links to be sure we're doing this correctly.

Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sippydog (talkcontribs) 20:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'll reply on your Talk page. Arbor8 (talk) 20:47, 9 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Pompeo Article

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Could you please take another look at the Mike Pompeo article, as it once again has major WP:NPOV Problems. Thanks, King of Nothing (talk) 10:41, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Please have the courtesy to let me know if you find a sentence objectionable rather than deleting the entire section containing it. I appreciate your editing, but in some cases you completely changed the meaning of what Mike Pompeo said (for example, he didn't allege that Muslim leaders who remained silent following the Boston Marathon bombing should be criticized, but that Muslim leaders HAD been silent which was empirically untrue and therefore defamatory). I also responded to a King of Nothing request to provide a citation, only to have that citation removed, the reworded section removed, and the original section, complete with "citation needed" replaced 3 times. It's important to remember that Mike Pompeo is a very controversial figure who has made his career largely by making extremely provocative statements, many of which are demonstrably false (one can count the number of Muslim organizations that criticized the Boston Marathon bombing or the parts per million of CO2 and number of deviant weather events, for example). This is the Wikipedia policy on deletions: "When you find a passage in an article that is biased or inaccurate, improve it if you can; don't delete salvageable text. For example, if an article appears biased, add balancing material or make the wording more neutral. Include citations for any material you add. If you do not know how to fix a problem, ask for help on the talk page." Mvakkur (talk) 18:25, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

King of Nothing, thanks for the heads up, I'll take a look later today. Mvakkur - your edits are inappropriate. I don't owe you anything beyond a courteous edit summary when I fix them. Arbor8 (talk) 13:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Cheers. King of Nothing (talk) 04:31, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mark Pryor

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You're right. I just didn't think it was relevant to the Wikipedia page. The information didn't seem connected to anything - are ailments included on the pages of most famous people? I removed it once. I won't remove it again. Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.19.210.69 (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A-hole Factor

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Greetings, Since you've already weighed in on this subject at talk:David Schweikert, would you mind also expressing your opinion on the topic at talk:Tim Huelskamp and talk:Justin Amash? Thanks.CFredkin (talk) 21:12, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. In other news, "The Asshole Factor" is going to be the name of my new reality TV show. :) Arbor8 (talk) 21:56, 5 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Joni Ernst

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'state senate' is not a proper noun without the name of the state. I have been correcting this mistake on Joni Ernst's page and Tiller54 and you have been changing it back. Why?

Iowa doesn't need to be mentioned three times in the into paragraph. That's exessive, don't you think?

And finally, a state senator who is running for the US Senate (as a Republican, also included) by definition is a politician. Do you disagree?

I don't understand why Tiller54 is being so obdurate about reversing these improvements again and again. I'm just trying to improve the page . . .

24.19.210.69 (talk) 19:31, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A number of editors disagree with your edits, and have stated their reasoning over and over again. Continued reverts (and sockpuppet accounts) amount to vandalism. Please stop. Arbor8 (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

May 2014

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Information icon Please do not entirely remove content as you did to Ben Nelson. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy Thank you. Ncgardener (talk) 22:20, 10 May 2014 (UTC) "As a general rule, do not remove sourced information from the encyclopedia solely on the grounds that it seems biased. Instead, try to rewrite the passage or section to achieve a more neutral tone. Biased information can usually be balanced with material cited to other sources to produce a more neutral perspective, so such problems should be fixed when possible through the normal editing process. Remove material only where you have a good reason to believe it misinforms or misleads readers in ways that cannot be addressed by rewriting the passage."[reply]

Pingree

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I was about to revert your recent edit (though I was beaten to it) because most pages here from what I see list spouses' occupations(such as Tom Brady). I would not support going into great detail about it unless it was relevant to the spouse(as his ownership of the newspapers is in Pingree's case) but it is relevant. 331dot (talk) 22:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see how. Other stuff always exists; that shouldn't affect the decisions we make in a particular article. Arbor8 (talk) 22:15, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
For starters, knowing his occupation provides a clearer picture of her family life. If there was an article about him, I could see not including it(though other pages do even for people with their own articles), but I see no reason in this case to not be consistent with the rest of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 22:35, 19 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

RFC

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There is an RFC ongoing on an article you recently edited. See Talk:Cory Gardner#RfC: Is it relevant to include Gardner's track record on specific issues? - Cwobeel (talk) 03:45, 13 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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