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Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/La La

Hello, I saw you frequently participate in vfd. Can you please vote on Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/La La? I'd like to see your input on it. Cheers. .:. 06:24, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Article Licensing

Hi, I've started a drive to get users to multi-license all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike (CC-by-sa) v1.0 and v2.0 Licenses or into the public domain if they prefer. The CC-by-sa license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the GFDL, but it allows other projects, such as WikiTravel, to use our articles. Since you are among the top 2000 Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at minimum those on the geographic articles. Over 90% of people asked have agreed. For More Information:

Multi-Licensing FAQ - Lots of questions answered
Multi-Licensing Guide
Free the Rambot Articles Project

To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" template into their user page, but there are other options at Template messages/User namespace. The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:

Option 1

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:

OR

Option 2

I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:

Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}" with "{{MultiLicensePD}}". If you only prefer using the GFDL, I would like to know that too. Please let me know what you think at my talk page. It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking. -- Ram-Man (comment| talk)

ArbCom elections are now open!

Hi,
You appear to be eligible to vote in the current Arbitration Committee election. The Arbitration Committee is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia arbitration process. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose site bans, topic bans, editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The arbitration policy describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to review the candidates' statements and submit your choices on the voting page. For the Election committee, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:16, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Please try to be [[Wikipedia:Civility|civil]].'''
+==[[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/La La]]==
+Hello, I saw you frequently participate in vfd.  Can you please vote on [[Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/La La]]?  I'd like to see your input on it.  Cheers. [[User:.:.|.:.]] 06:24, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)
+== Article Licensing ==
+Hi, I've [[User:rambot#Free the Rambot Articles project|started a drive]] to get users to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all of their contributions that they've made to either (1) all U.S. state, county, and city articles or (2) all articles, using the [[Creative Commons]] Attribution-Share Alike  (''CC-by-sa'') v1.0 and v2.0 [[Creative Commons License|License]]s or into the [[public domain]] if they prefer.  The ''CC-by-sa'' license is a true free documentation license that is similar to Wikipedia's license, the [[GFDL]], but it allows '''other projects''', such as [[WikiTravel]], to use our articles.  Since you are among the [[Wikipedia:List_of_Wikipedians_by_number_of_edits|top 2000]] Wikipedians by edits, I was wondering if you would be willing to multi-license all of your contributions or at ''minimum'' those on the geographic articles.  Over 90% of people asked have agreed.  For More Information:
-== textfiles.com ==
+*[[User talk:Ram-Man#Multi-Licensing FAQ|Multi-Licensing FAQ]] - Lots of questions answered
+*[[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|Multi-Licensing Guide]]
+*[[User:rambot#Free the Rambot Articles project|Free the Rambot Articles Project]]
+To allow us to track those users who muli-license their contributions, many users copy and paste the "'''<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>'''" template into their user page, but there are other options at [[Wikipedia:Template messages/User namespace#Licensing Templates|Template messages/User namespace]].  The following examples could also copied and pasted into your user page:
-Hi. Why did you list [[textfiles.com]] for deletion? I don't care about your petty conflict with ANSI artists and your vendetta against their articles, but textfiles.com is by no means VfD material. You may list it again and find out yourself. It has been in Wired, on Slashdot and in multiple other mainstream media. It has a page rank between 40 and 100 000 and has existed for 6 years.
+:'''Option 1'''
-Note that I am not affiliated with Textfiles.com, Jason Scott or any sort of scene, although they all interest me.
+:<nowiki>I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions, with the exception of my user pages, as described below:</nowiki>
+:<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>
+'''OR'''
+:'''Option 2'''
+:<nowiki>I agree to [[Wikipedia:Multi-licensing|multi-license]] all my contributions to any [[U.S. state]], county, or city article as described below:</nowiki>
+:<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>
+Or if you wanted to place your work into the public domain, you could replace "'''<nowiki>{{DualLicenseWithCC-BySA-Dual}}</nowiki>'''" with "'''<nowiki>{{MultiLicensePD}}</nowiki>'''".  If you only prefer using the [[GFDL]], I would like to know that too.  ''Please let me know'' what you think at my '''[[User talk:Ram-Man|talk page]]'''.  It's important to know either way so no one keeps asking.  -- [[User:Ram-Man|Ram-Man]] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Ram-Man&action=edit&section=new comment]| [[User talk:Ram-Man|talk)]]
-By all means, list the article for deletion again. I'd be very curious as to how you'd phrase it. &mdash; [[User:Chmod007|David Remahl]] 07:52, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
+== [[WP:ACE2015|ArbCom elections are now open!]] ==
-*I have no idea what you mean with ''vendetta against ANSI artists''. I listed Textfiles.com for one reason only, and that is that I have doubts about it's notability. If it is important enough there will be enough ''keep'' votes and you'll have nothing to worry about. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 07:56, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
-**Sorry, I confused you with someone else, I think. &mdash; [[User:Chmod007|David Remahl]] 08:00, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-***Comment by [[User:Jscott]] deleted as it wasn't addressed at me, but the above poster. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 08:40, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
-****I have to disagree, the comment left by Jscott was, indirectly atleast, very much addressed to you.  My worry isn't whether or not the article will survive, as I'm confident that it will.  My real concern is over your better judgement (or lack thereof) before going ahead and VfD'ing an article as it's beginning to take shape.  Give articles a chance to get off the ground and establish notability before rushing to fire them off to Votes for Deletion.  Secondly, it is well established that this subject is noteworthy and had you taken the same amount of time it takes to fully process a VfD nomination and used it to verify the fact that it is noteworthy you would have given  fellow Wikipedians a few precious moments of their life back that they could've spent on more important issues. --[[User:Radman1|[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']])]] 08:49, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-*****For the third time, if it ''is'' important enough, it will receive enough keep votes and there's nothing to worry about. With repect to Jscott, he's totally welcome to discuss anything with me, as long as he ''actually discusses it with me''. Communication between you two should go on your or his talk page. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 08:54, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
-******Wyllium, you're not really addressing what I'm driving at here, so I'll spell it out for you, in plain English.  It's very clear after minimal (or extensive, take your pick) research that TEXTFILES.COM indeed passes even some of the strictest '''notability bar'''s I've seen during my experience with Wikipedia and VfD.  ''That said'', I would like for you to do exactly that, go forth and spend some time understanding what it is you nominated, and state your case on the VfD page with a vote.  Surely you held an opinion before nominating or else you wouldn't have done so in the first place. [[User:Radman1|[[en:RaD Man|'''RaD Man''']] ([[User_talk:Radman1|''talk'']])]] 09:11, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-****Wyllium: No problem, I mirrored the uncensored discussion on [[User_talk:Chmod007|my talk]]. &mdash; [[User:Chmod007|David Remahl]] 08:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-*****Once again, as long as you address me, you're free to discuss anything with me. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 08:54, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
-******Hence the "Wyllium: " and the "No problem.". &mdash; [[User:Chmod007|David Remahl]] 08:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-*****Excellent. You, Wyllium, are why I run my own site. You, Wyllium, are why nearly any major attempt to organize people ends with someone holding the floor for untold times talking about "procedure". You, Wyllium, are what keeps people like myself and RaD Man in business, making us work to save and collect history because some mouth-breather decided it wasn't "important". You, Wyllium, are what I will spend the last breath I have on earth fighting. It all has to start somewhere, and it will start with you. I hate you. --[[User:Jscott|Jscott]] 08:59, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
+Hi,<br>
-Wyllium, if you don't '''want''' a page deleted, why are you listing it? The presumption is to keep pages not to test the deletion waters. Okay, look, you must feel you are under attack. It's not like that. Perhaps it would be in your best interests not to monitor the vote page for a while and let it simmer down a bit. If you check back in a while, you can see how the vote is going. Engaging in further debate with people on the page isn't going to be constructive IMO. Please, do your bit to take the heat out of it. It's not war.[[User:Dr Zen|Dr Zen]] 09:31, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
+You appear to be eligible to vote in the current [[WP:ACE2015|Arbitration Committee election]]. The [[WP:ARBCOM|Arbitration Committee]] is the panel of editors responsible for conducting the Wikipedia [[WP:RFAR|arbitration process]]. It has the authority to enact binding solutions for disputes between editors, primarily related to serious behavioural issues that the community has been unable to resolve. This includes the ability to impose [[WP:BAN|site bans]], [[WP:TBAN|topic bans]], editing restrictions, and other measures needed to maintain our editing environment. The [[WP:ARBPOL|arbitration policy]] describes the Committee's roles and responsibilities in greater detail. If you wish to participate, you are welcome to [[WP:ACE2015/C|review the candidates' statements]] and submit your choices on [[Special:SecurePoll/vote/398|the voting page]]. For the Election committee, [[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 22:16, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
-*I listed it because I wasn't sure about the notability. It could either be emportant enough for an article or just a form of "website-vanity", my websearch didn't give me a definitive answer. I expected the people on vfd knowing more than me and either vote it in or out. Either would have been fine with me. I must say I'm more concerned with the agression I'm encountering than with whether the article stays or not. Anyway, I succeeded in remaining civil to them and I'm now taking my hands off. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 09:40, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
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-**Wyllium, it seems we've both unknowingly stepped into pretty hot water. There have been a number of VfD nominations in the same field (that Radman and Jscott are interested in) lately. Some have resulted in deletes, others in keeps. I'm not sure whether you're aware of those. They have led to an inflated atmosphere of hostility which doesn't really serve anyone...I took more offence than I probably should have by the listing, but I'm an eventualist and think that listing an article for deletion so shortly after its creation goes against every wiki principle there is. I hope I didn't step over the line in my responses...As for the other participants in the "discussion", you have to understand where they come from too. The branch of culture that they care for the most and have dedicated thousands of hours to is not considered worthy of Wikipedia by a seemingly large fraction of the community. From my research I know that Jason Scott used to be enthusiastic and hold high hopes for Wikipedia, which have now been shattered completely. I'm trying to see your side of  the argument, I hope you can see mine. &mdash; [[User:Chmod007|David Remahl]] 09:57, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-***:I can tell you all that is news to me. I didn't know anything about previous vfd entries having to do with ansi art. I've never nomitated any such site before either. Then again, what happened on vfd in the past and someone's personal feelings about a subject is ''still'' no reason for JScott et. al. to react in this extremely aggressive, frightening and threatening way. The fact that someone's cares passionately about something has never before been a reason to keep an article either. If there had simply been five keep votes (as there are now, between the flames) I would have shut up and adjusted my "notability-threshhold". ''Of course'' I try to see other people's side of the argument, but I didn't even know the side of the argument you just brought up, I just got attacked instantly. Anyway, It's over now. Thanks for your comment, and being so civil. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 10:18, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
-* Wyllium, I'm sure you were acting in good faith but VfD is for articles you want to see deleted. It's quite clear. If you wanted a more general discussion on the article's notability, there is RfC. It stirs up trouble to list new articles on VfD, especially when they have been written by bonafides editors. Please, next time you're not sure an article should be in or out, go for RfC and save yourself the aggro.[[User:Dr Zen|Dr Zen]] 09:45, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-== Um, don't you mean May 2004? ==
-You say you've been a wikipedian since May 2003, but your first contribution under this username was in May 2004.  You should probably correct this. :-) [[User:JesseW|JesseW]] 10:07, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-*Nope, I have been a Wikipedian since May 2003, but I've only been ''Wyllium'' since May 2004. I had a previous name, but I didn't like it so I made another account. [[User:Wyllium|Wyllium]] 10:18, 2004 Nov 17 (UTC)
-::What was the previous name, if you don't mind me asking?  (Or, more precisely, what is the edit history URL.)  Thanks for your prompt response. [[User:JesseW|JesseW]] 10:24, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-::I think you stumped him. --[[User:Jscott|Jscott]] 22:38, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)
-== How to VfD ==
-Hello Wyllium.  You've misunderstood the purpose and process of Votes for Deletion and apparently have taken a bit of heat for it -- I wanted to make sure you have read [[Wikipedia:Deletion_policy]].  Nominating a page to VfD is, quote, "'''A request (...) on Wikipedia for [an] article to be deleted'''" and not a request for comments.  In the future you may want to utilize the talk page or other outlets, perhaps [[Wikipedia:Requests for comment]].  Best of luck to you in the future.  [[User:GRider|[[User:GRider|GRider]]\<sup>[[User_talk:GRider|talk]]</sup>]] 00:45, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)